/lit/ - Literature

Maybe those fucking Spartans should have spent less time lifting, huh?

>>9811199
The strong do as they will and the weak suffer what they must.

>>9811199
>don't know shit about other cities
>ignoring the widespread activities of many philosophers of analysing other city-states based on primary sources such as their constitutions

E.g. the works of Aristotle and his successors / students (which were lost)

>>9811202
Sparta was objectively a better society than Athens.

>>9812073
Heh heh *snort* you got a source on that buddy?

>>9812078
>no democracy to fuck up
>focus on masculinity and war vs feminine shit like sitting around drinking wine and reciting poetry in Athens
>no bravery, courage or patriotism in Athens

Basically Athens was the original cuck state.

>no bravery, courage or patriotism in Athens

Athens and Plataea saved Greece at Marathon while Spartans cowered in the Pelopennese

>>9812091
Athens was more masculine than Sparta
poetry art and philosophy are masculine endeavours as is war and physicality
Spartan women had far too much influence and their society was stunted as a result

>>9812091
I guess Spartans selling out to Persians was very patriotic?

>>9812073
Women had more power and influence in Sparta than in Athens you donkey.

if Greece is so great how come they're so fucking poor huh

literally pitta bread africa

>>9812073
I agree.

>had a form of government with checks and balances including a form of proto-democracy
>professional army
>discouraged wealth, encouraged collectivism
>near equality of male and female citizens

what's not to live?

>>9812091
Athens:
>Might makes right
>aggressive middle class dominated democracy
>wanted to conquer everything it could because it could

Sparta:
>appeals to fairness in relations between cities
>oligarchical traditionalist
>wanted to everybody to stay as a league of small city states forever so it would get to stay on top of the social order without having to do anything about its helot problem

I think the most interesting area that has produced a lot of sources is the coastal area of Asian Minor.

>no primary presocratic source
>missing 6 poems of the epic cycle
>only have a dozen plays from Aeschylus, Euripides and Sophocles
>no satyr plays

>>9812248
>Athens was more masculine than Sparta
Watch 300 and say that again

>>9812091
>Patriotism
>Cuckoldism
Choose both

>>9812374
>300
comics and Laconiboos don't change reality
Sparta = men reduced to a utilitarian purpose, women "equal" in this dreary ambitiousness society as women lack ambition themselves
Athens = men set free to achieve greatness in all aspects of life, flew too close to the sun and got burned.

....
There were more city-states as Sparta and Athens you know?
Though I'll admit I can't name them from memory

>>9812397
Except Athens was pretty much a dickhead while rising to power.

>>9812404
being a dickhead's cool

>>9812307
The 3:1 helot slave ratio which they lived in perpetual fear of revolt from and was the reason every spartan had to be martially trained.

>>9812307
You forgot
>huge native slave population that rebels as soon as your army moves an inch beyond your borders