/lit/ - Literature

Good thread, it's a shame no one answered. Take this bump.

>>9775476
If you can read spanish, you should definitly read this too.

>>9776478

>>9776482
Is there a /his/ introduction to ancient greek/roman history?

>>9776489
Not that I am aware of.

2/?

3/?

>>9776489
kind of relevant

>>9775476
Quick question: What makes you so sure that Yahweh rather than Chemosh is the one true god?

5/?

6/?

7/?

8/?

>>9776695
Christ was an uneducated shepherd whose teachings somehow managed to built the entire western civilization and bring billions of followers, but they were wrong, amirite?

9/?

>>9776711
Is this an /ants/ chart?

10/?

>>9776727
haha only saved the thumbnail, my bad

>>9776489
pic also kind of related

>>9776721
Say what?

>>9776721
>Christian logic

12/?

13/?

14/?

Don't *start* with the Greeks -- start with the late neolithic literature of the fertile crescent.

Then proceed to the Bronze Age.

Only THEN to the Iron Age.

15/?

16/?

17/?

18/?

19/?

20 and done, hope the greek chart and the roman chart helps anon. all the charts i have. good luck

sorry about the post modernism chart, but you don't really need it

>>9776766
Nice charts, thanks, do you have more for other forms of arts like films, series, games?

>>9775476
I want an intro the history of communist USSR of the last century.

What I don't want is people to keep posting Gulag Archipelago, since that's been just about the only thing anyone has ever posted when I ask.

>>9776775
sorry comrade, only books, and i've posted all i have

>>9776775
ask the /fa/gs, they might be able to help. they're a bunch of pretentious bastards and save heaps of shit

Any tips for making good-looking charts? My Paint skills are weak.

What fonts, backgrounds, and color schemes do you guys use? Is it all done in Paint or are other programs better? How large should a chart be? etc.

>>9776674
Up from slavery and the souls of black folk are both fucking great

I have no time to read any of these books

>>9776721
Im a Christian, I don't personally care if it's right or wrong. Christianity is for me practicing a desire to interact with the spiritual, and none of the inconsistencies are enough to make me disbelieve.
Judaism is caught up in mythic history more, and Islam is even more obvious fan fiction than Christianity is (reading the early accounts of Muhammad's life is pretty revealing.)
The other religions left are Hinduism, which is some real meme shit, Buddhism, which is also meme shit, or some Far East philosophy like Taoism or Lau Tsu.
Christianity is the best expression of the metaphysical desire in my opinion

>>9776791
Use indesign. A good starting book for making pretty layouts is "the nondesigners design handbook"

>>9776791
Use Powerpoint

If you cry because you don't know French, then you don't belong on this board.

>>9776825
>This is what Protestants actually believe
Lmfao Jesus Christ fucking heretics, you guys are so cringey

>>9776830
If you don't have InDesign, Microsoft Publisher might work but it's not as fleshed out or user friendly as ID. Damn Adobe costing so much.

>>9776858
>Donald Trump's The Art of the Deal

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAAHHA

>>9776830
>>9776837
Thanks friend.

>>9776758
>Yellow
>Is actually orange
Hmmm

>>9776674
>including Roots
>ever
Aside from being poorly written, it is well know that Haley outright plaigarized passages of the book.

Does anyone have a psychology chart (freud, lacan, jung, piaget...)

>>9776473
Trotta is indeed an amazing editorial house.

>>9776721
*St Paul

I made this, I think I want to add maps of meaning, the bell curve and some more
I made it with paint keep that in mind

>>9776986
please do add them, i'll be sure to repost this at opportune times my friend

>>9776776
Just get the pelago you dunce!

Meme aside get everyday Stalinism it's more about daily life and isn't anywhere near the length. A day in the life of Ivan denisovich is also really good and a good starter to the gulag trilogy.

>>9776776
Also I'll sum up Soviet life in that time for you.
It was shitty and depressing.

>>9777007
I wish I had a good program to make it more appealing. I posted at on /pol/ for some input

Of course they are contrarian like always

>>9777063
Guns, Germs, and Steel is one of the least redpilled books of all time. Replace it with Pinker's Blank Slate.

>>9777063
Remove the three Evola books from this list immediately and don't ever try to associate him with this other trash again.

>>9776721
Mitochondrial Eve was an ape-like precursor who gathered berries for a living, and yet she determined all aspects of current civilization. What's your point?

>>9776743
Thanks for the spoilers asshole

>>9777132
Maybe those books are about suicide or have characters that commit suicide, which doesn't necessarily mean that the main character is going to commit suicide.

>>9776832
Anglophones chose Protestantism, and we now speak their language. Coincidence? I think not.

>>9777063
The troll wouldn't be so obvious if you didn't have the same book, "(faggot) Mindset", posted twice.

>>9777095
>>9777159
I know some books are controversial, but the idea goes that the list appeals to a large audience
Classics might be much better but you need some initiation books and a lot of these books appeal to the young and are what's cool

Anyway I am going to see if I can improve it and will post it on a later occasion, you can always make your own by the way, as mine is kind of shitty due to paint

>>9776674
>That extreme drop in quality after the civil rights era.

>>9777191
You posted the same book twice, the original and a carbon copy meant to cash in on the Trump movement. What the fuck are you thinking?

>>9775476
Put Josephus on there

>>9775476
If you're going to include someone as wildly biased as Asbridge might as well throw Madden in as well

Anybody have the accessibility depth chart?

>>9777318
Really makes you think.

>>9777344
I will never understand what the purpose of reading what everyone else reads is
It is a good chart, but absolutely boring but that's my own bias
>>9776938
Don't call those charlatans psychology (if you did it on purpose well played)

>>9776924
Why would you read The Crossing out of order?

>>9777401
So this is the one that isn't a true reflection of lit right?

Someone just hurry up and post the 13 philosophy charts already.

>>9777431
I saw in another thread that the list was supposedly meddled with by the guy who made the image, so yeah

>>9776986

this is a joke right?

>>9777431
it looks too good to be /lit/

>>9777435
I think this is one of them

>>9777504
No. From what I can recall they were all numbered, had a white background, and showed the images of actual books. Thanks for trying though. They seem to be very rare because I usually ask for them in everything chart thread, to no avail.

>>9777511
every*

Unfinished

>>9776986
>>9777063
I mean, it works as a "this is what gibbering retards read" warning

>>9776924
i wouldn't recommend this order at all, even kind of.

Is this chart still legitimate/up to date?

>>9777544
it has never been up to date or legitimate because we can't agree on it

>>9776674
>Nella Larsen
>Jean Toomer
Nice. I like both of those authors but don't see them discussed here.

>>9776680
edgy

>>9776722
Props to whoever made this. Some cool non-memes on here.

>>9776755
>>9776891
>>9776747
>>9776894
I will never understand why people need a guide to get into a single author. Just look up some of their books and pick one that sounds interesting to you. Or just read their most famous book. Not that hard.

>>9776858
Still hilarious.

>>9776986
Embarassing.

>>9777544
No.

>>9776674
Has anyone read Mingus's book? It seems very interesting. Is it too pornographic, like some say?

>>9777401
>>9777431
That's a fake. Not made by /lit/, it's an ebin raid by a reddit chat group.

>>9777526

what font do you use?

>>9777544
>A Cuckwork Orange

>>9776695
It's all one God, just different cultures interpretations of it.

>>9776855
>American
>Lolita

>>9777758
Nabokov lived in America and wrote in English you retard

>>9777608
>I will never understand why people need a guide to get into a single author. Just look up some of their books and pick one that sounds interesting to you. Or just read their most famous book. Not that hard.

Is it uncommon for people to find the work of an artist enjoyable and then go out to seek more of it? You might as well ask someone who is acquainted with an author's work for advice on which order he/she would imagine to be the most enjoyable. How negative as person are you, why haven't you necked yourself yet?

>>9776728
>no chekhov

into the garbage collection container it goes

>>9776674
Have to include The Sellout and Brief History of Seven Killings in that one.

>>9775476
Has anyone made/got a chart for Southern Gothic literature?

>>9778174
>How negative as person are you, why haven't you necked yourself yet?
I'm not her, but the latter part of this sentence sorts of ruins the other part.

>>9776722
Skylark should be on this.

>>9777511
Have you tried searching for "philosophy chart" on warosu.org/lit?

>>9776721
>built the entire western civilization

that's not how you spell "ruined"

>>9776986
>Redpilled
>Cernovich, Milo, Gavin...

It's dishonorable towards Evola to put him among those cucks, shame on you.

>>9778493
I'm looking right now and all that I really get is results for threads of me asking about the charts I'm looking for lol.

>>9778174
>Is it uncommon for people to find the work of an artist enjoyable and then go out to seek more of it?
No. Didn't say it was.

>You might as well ask someone who is acquainted with an author's work for advice on which order he/she would imagine to be the most enjoyable.
This is the part I don't agree with. Why would the same order be best for everyone? Just read in whichever order you want to. This is just a case of people feeling the need to be told what to do. You aren't in school, you can be as discriminating as you want and read whichever books you want in the order you desire-

>>9776891
This chart, for example, is stupid. If on a winter's night... is widely considered Calvino's best book, so why not just read it first and then branch out if you find that you enjoy him? That way you don't waste your time reading several lesser works by an author you don't really care for. For example, I read If on a winter's night... (which I enjoyed) and Invisible Cities (which I thought was just okay) and decided that Calvino is a good author while not feeling particularly compelled to continue with him, deciding my time would be better spent exploring other authors.

>How negative as person are you
My post really wasn't that negative. I think maybe you perceived some extreme hatred in my tone that really isn't there. More just confusion.

>why haven't you necked yourself yet?
Not sure, I think about it every day. :^)

>>9778926
Damn bro. Might be harder than I thought.

Try Google searching but with limits to the sites of either yuki.la/lit or warosu.org/lit. Type the year you think it was last posted but don't filter by year since that screws with results for some reason.

>>9776986
based xD

>>9776721
>Christ
>built Western civilization
>half the christian holy text is written by the fucking Greeks
C'mon buddy

>>9776917
Asterios Polyp and Joe Sacco's Palestine should be included on that

>>9778401
second this

>>9776721
What about the talking snake?

>>9776704
read the Dying Animal today at work because of this post. good book.

>>9776711
>>9776727
It's postmodernism, perhaps it's for the best

>>9776698
Good list, here's another. I'd argue Norweigan Wood should be replaced with Wind-Up Bird Chronicle, and the poetry of Murasaki Shikibu and Onono Komachi should still be included for the classical era. Whether you think it translates poorly or not (it doesn't) their poetry is an important part of that culture.

>>9776743
>Stoner
>Marijuana overdose
har har
>Confederacy of Dunces
>Asphyxiation
i get that this is a half-meme list but still

>>9776893
>Temple of the Golden Pavilion
>Is actually red

>>9777401
>>9777431
>>9777626
The fact that it isn't /lit/ doesn't affect its usefulness. The ranking is irrelevant and those books are all fantastic.

I have a terrible memory so I relish these types of reference charts.

>>9777050
Everyday Stalinism is a great read.

>>9777511
Is this the thread you were looking for? I see only 11 charts, not 13, but this otherwise matches the description I think.
>>/lit/thread/S6360534#p6360574

>>9777620
I've read it. It has a lot to offer about his own mental health and it's often delivered through the personification of his conscience (the bad side, mostly).

There is a lot of sex, to the point where I felt it was gratuitous, but the intense amount of it as well as some of the more unusual events in the book provide a blurring effect which makes it difficult to distinguish the facts and autobiographical elements from the urban legends and fiction. It's a pretty fascinating book but it's nowhere near as brilliant as Miles Davis' autobiography.

>>9776986
>>9777063
really subtle, my dude

>>9776758
> yellow
> no Yellow Wallpaper

Missed an opportunity here.

>>9776986
Good memes, my dude

>>9777401
>>9779986
Agreed. Fake but good with less memes than the actual top 100 (still plenty of memes though).

>>9777431
no its real

>>9779624
I don't think we're getting one boyo

are there any real lists for non-fiction , couldn't ever get into fiction

>>9777675
What I really dislike about this chart is how his short stories are left out. This really needs to be updated or changed.

>>9776715
>No Krzhizhanovsky

>>9782443
There's this, >>9777578, and various political/philosophical ones

>>9777431
It's fake, this is the real one

>>9782471
see my problem with that kind of list is you kind of imagine your way on the journey, i can't imagine images so they just get boring

>>9782514
>murakami
>ij at 3
>nineteen reddit four
>etc. etc.

ill take the 2017 list desu

>>9776825
>Im a Christian, I don't personally care if it's right or wrong.

>>9782819
hasn't been a 2017 list yet, surely some autist will make one in a couple months

I feel like these guides are almost useless without short descriptions like
>>9776731

>>9776680
wheres rangers apprentice - the icebound land with warmweed?

>>9776835
>curses profusely and takes the Lord's name in vain to insult "heretics"

>>9782846
? >>9777401

>>9782864
fake news

>>9782391
taqiyaa, all taqiyaa

>>9782864
That was just one guy from reddit picking books and mixing them with past results, anyone can do their own too

>>9782478
This causes so much cognitive dissonance in me, I've always identified and symphatized with the left more, but I think that these books are garbage
I hope that one day the left can finally move beyond marxism and anarchism, and develops something closer to reality, damn

At least degrowth seems promising, and I am aware it is influenced by marxism and perhaps even anarchism but influence isn't my objection, abstract theory is

>>9782888
it clearly says 2017 top 100 and there was a poll, are you dense? see >>9782882

>>9782900
In what way does there having been a poll matter, given that its results weren't used?

>>9782888

Why are you mad anon, you autistically post about this shit in every single chart thread that I've seen lol. Are you The Polling Anon or something and you're mad that someone else made a 2017 list before you did?

>>9782904
[citation needed]

>>9782917
Nobody made a 2017 list though. Why do you care, was it you who made the fake?

>>9782922
Someone leaked the results, just check the archives

>>9782926
I just like collecting /lit/ charts and i see you in every single chart thread autistically raving about the top 100 list that no one else seems to have an issue with.

>>9782922
faggot i aint checking no archive find it for me if you care so much

>>9782946
I don't think so. It gets spammed all the time and I'm not here that often

>fake poll discord shilling for attention
every single thread
just report and don't feed replies you tards

>>9782949
Second result, how lazy can you get? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TB1qJDXic-LoOu7nf4NnXHfL2HRn0b6QCoVrSMDn8bM/edit?usp=sharing

>>9782989
it looks fine?

unless you want Bob Dylan to be put on the chart

>>9781271
>>>/lit/thread/S6360534#p6360574
bumping for visibility, out of request for the "13 philosophy charts" anon

>>9783136
>if we keep posting someone will believe it

>>9776470
little did anon know, but this 'bump' made it a good thread

>>9783136
I looked up a dozen authors from the picture and none of them appear even a single time in the google doc. Why do you always lie to me.

>>9776855
No wonder Euros think American writers are trash. This is a terrible list.

>>9776933
Thanks for this.

>>9776911
count of monte cristo should be in the fiction list

>>9776695
>Not worshipping Molech

>>9776986
Nice bait chart. Seriously it's good because neither /pol/ or /lit/ like this.

>>9776489
theres on on republican rome and a lot on the hellenistic age

>>9776896
this chart made me vomit on my screen thanks for the motion sickness, asshole

>>9782443
there's a few /his/ charts

>>9776832
Got more French stuff?

>>9782793
anything on this list pretty easy to read? like.. middle school level? i'm just learning spanish

>>9777526
Add The Knight in the Panther's Skin somewhere, and probably the Nibelungenlied

>>9775476
Where is Bede you cuck

>>9784969
God, /pol/lacks are such faggots. Not even The Mythus.

>>9775476
What's the best book on Christian history?

I've read about MacCulloch, and I'm worried that he may show his bias in his books.

>>9783781
there was another poll result update after that one iirc

i think there was a lot of ballot stuffing going on though (just like every past iteration of the chart) so the whole thing is moot.

>>9778198
Chejov is too good for that chart.

>>9776743
Not Werther? You had one job.

>>9776478
>>9776482
>Italian Fascism
>atheistic
>not anti-semitic
>doesn't believe in biological races
>terrible at war

Is there anything to actually like about Italian Fascism?

>>9784969
This needs to be updated. Get rid of The Republic and add The Gulag Archipelago instead.

>>9785156
Care to explain?

>>9777401
Reminder this is a made-up chart.

>>9787016
all charts are made up

>>9786966
nah poller couldn't get more pretend results after those... leaks scared him into deleting his own threads. funny if nothing else

>>9776750
where the fuck is bacon?

>>9776680
the island is a pretty interesting book. at least when they talk about specific policies that are employed and the way they approach life contrasted with the Western approach.

>>9776903

Is there one of these for Chinese military history specifically? Anywhere from Warring States up to Qing dynasty. The only book I've read is "Autumn in the Heavenly Kingdom" about the Taiping Uprising, which I can recommend. Any recommendations would be nice.

>>9776692

>>9777544

>>9777544

>>9786958
His book on the reformation is the only one I have read and it is fantastic.

>>9776986
where does Jung fit into /pol/'s worldview?

>>9777626
>Implying the original isn't made by reddit too

>>9776933
We need one of these for Homer

>>9786991
that its not German fascism

>>9776680
>fear and loathing
>entire legend next to it
lmao

>>9786958
I'm reading the story of christianity by Justo Gonzales and its good

>>9777526
Where's Don Quixote?

>>9776728
Needs "The Things They Carried"

>>9788827
This looks pretty great. I'll pick this one up.

Thanks anon

>>9788544

The other starter kit is much better.

>>9776986
>Turning Jung into a meme.

>>9776866
>No Xavier Herbert

>>9776855
this is one of the better american lit lists ive seen on this forum. good work.

op what's silence about? is confessions better than city of god? confessions just seems like some buddha type shit where the dude was a super chad as a youth and then later when his t levels dropped he decides to tell everyone sex is bad, don't need to a hear a literal saint humble bragging about all the pussy who got

>>9782856
Yo I remember that series being pretty good, but I only got to read the first...4? 6? because that was all the library had. I might have to finish it

>>9776704
I really liked One Foot in Eden by Ron Rash, it's Southern Gothic (even though it takes place in Appalachia)

>>9776695
Jesus Christ rose from the dead

>>9788527
such an awful camus cover
such an awful kafka cover

>>9789239
It skims over a lot of things, but its a good overview of the general history. I think you'll be satisfied with it

>>9788630
>rebelled against the eternal jew: +15 /pol/points
>couldn't stop fucking a jewess: -1000 /pol/points
>kooky mystic: +100 /pol/points

>>9789694
Meant to reply to >>9788626

>>9776870
>The Idiot in bizlit

Did I miss the point of this book? I'm not seeing what a book about an epileptic nice guy has to do with business?

>>9786991
All of it

>>9789610
>Orwell
>Bradbury
>Austen
>Huxley
>Kerouac
>Vonnegut
>Murakami
>lacking any substance
Ask me how I know that you're an insufferable faggot.

>>9789610
ffs Orwell is more nuanced than people give him credit for stop with this meme, just because the people that read him are philistines doesn't mean that his works are of little substance, concession made to Animal Farm ofc, which is embarrassing.
Aside from that:
>Jane Austen should be higher
>Dostoevsky should be lower
>Late era Burroughs is bullshit and should be WAAAY Higher, babby's first difficult lit
>Samuel Beckett that low hahahahahahahaha

>>9789913
>late era Burroughs is bullshit
You just don't get it anon.
>Dostoyevsky should be lower
He's like the most shallow writer and I say that as someone who's read most of his catalog

>>9789610
You should put Kerouac late era somewhere in the middle. "Desolation Angels" and "Some of the Dharma" are great t b h

>>9782803
do people actually read this shit?

Is it okay to start with the Romans?

Thoughts? I removed two based on some input by /pol/ and myself. I base the books on "Customers who bought this item also bought" from Amazon, and lists I found online.
I know /pol/ doesn't like the alt light books, or alt light itself, but I feel a mix of light reads and heavy reads is helpful for those not willing to read the "bigger pills" so to speak.

>>9790278
IF you're serious, remove one the following: Gorilla Mindset, MAGA Mindset. Why the fuck would you recommend somebody to read the same reskinned crap when you have limited space on a chart?

>>9789818
how

>>9790278
this is bad psyop
leave it to the Jews at shariablow, my man

>>9789355
Not OP. But I liked City of God much better than Confessions. City of God doesn't focus on Augustine's personal life

>>9790278
Get rid of Cerno, Win Bigly, The Death of Cool, Atlas Shrugged, Dangerous, Dawkins, Lauren Southern, The Art of the Deal, Maps of Meaning, and SJWs Always Lie.

Also, you might want to replace The Jews and Their Lies with some other antisemitic book. I hear that The Culture of Critique is good.

Nice bread here m8

this thread is like a fucking 4 year program

>>9790120
Why wouldn't people read it?

>>9776695
i think that there are definitely apologists who try to intellectualize and explain their position and some of them do it pretty well but the real truth is that religion as a whole, and i think christianity is pretty hard on this, is self-aware enough to know it's baloney. like there aren't that many people who are that fucking stupid. i know there's this sort of trend in nerd communities that it's like 'haha everyone's an idiot but me they're exactly that dumb' but the truth is that the truth just plain does not matter to most people. it's comforting, it gives community, it makes life feel more interesting and purposeful. is it lazy? fuck yes. is it cowardly? yeah pretty much. but it works for them, and that's really all they give a shit about.

>>9789610
excuse me, but who exactly is this Stein?

>>9788544
Can someone redpill me on The Postman Always Rings Twice ?

It isn't really discussed on /lit/ and I often see it in bookshops but I thought it was an airport novel.

>>9776715
Very good.

>>9777715
This.

>>9792749
LOL.

>>9776825
>Don't apreciate oriental religions like Emerson.

>>9786985
Kafka is very good. Surely you don't understand him.

>>9789818
>caring this much
i didnt fucking make it, genius

>>9777592
Perfect, a list of books to avoid. Thanks!

>>9782437
No thanks