/lit/ - Literature

any good lewd scifi?

>>9768182
I doubt it.

>tfw you've read so much weeb isekai shit that every short story you right has to be about someone being reborn with all of their memories intact who goes to school

Just started dragon wing, what am I in for?

>>9768182
No, I think it's mostly just the sexless nerds around at the time of the best sci-fi just not being very good at writing lewds.

>>9768182
You just need gri approved novels. But no one has put together a gri chart so kaput.

>>9768182
Only for the most discriminating tastes, my good sir.

Finished Hard To Be a God, fucking awesome sci-fi story, so that thing the guy saw in the woods that gave off the pillar of light was definitely a previous operator ship or something, right? Feels pretty Ayyy

So why is kingkiller bad again?

Yeah Kvothe is really strong and a self insert but he still makes mistakes and the story is still enjoyable. The complaints about "muh debts" just seem stupid to me.

also fuck denna.

gonna keep posting this until I get a reasonable answer.

>>9768182
There's some lewd in Ringworld.

Other god tier sff authors?

>>9768256
never read it but everyone now and then I encounter stuff like this from the author and I become even more convinced that never reading his shit is the right decision

>>9768256
Go in the archives. Don't feel like reposting the same shit countless times. In depth responses were written already. If YOU want it so bad, go look for it.

But does Horror count as fantasy?

Is it bad that I found the entire Crimson Worlds series enjoyable?

I mean, Frontlines is of course better, but I just enjoyed the carnage and extreme lengths that Jay Allan provided.

>it's akka gets cucked again episode

>>9768256

I think Rothuffs failed to emulate the Tolkien and JK Rowling vibes he was going for, it doesn't help that anything to do with the university was incredibly boring but Kvothe's love interest didn't even have a personality of her own.

>>9768317
It belongs in this general at least. I wish it was talked about more here.

>>9768317
>>9768340
Any decent horror you would recommend?

The more fantastical the better.

>mfw I lent a grill a bunch of my favorite SF, including VALIS and Ring by Stephen Baxter, a few years back and I've only seen her a couple times since then and she's made no signal to me that she wants to return her books
>mfw all I got in exchange was a tie-in book 'written by' 'Sterling Archer' about being the world's greatest secret agent
Jill, if you're reading this, your refusal to contact me about returning my sentimentally valuable property is one of the main reasons I resent you, alongside your inability to discuss anything other than food and television.

What Egan books are decent?

>>9768256
SKILLED LOVER OF WOMEN

Pretty standard time travel mess. Assassinate Karl Marx, twice. Accidentally become your own wife. Birth your own arch nemesis. I enjoyed the time travel mechanic where you inhabited the body of and shared a mind with a period correct person generated in the time stream by the laws of time itself. That is until the laws of time dictated the MC inhabit a prostitute for every time jump after the first few. Anons with the bimboization fetish might enjoy that I guess (the MC's original personality/mind gets entirely subsumed after a while). I will award it 2/5 time jump faux pas.

>>9768449
Now that's some tasty sci-fi covers.

>>9768340
If whoever makes these just made one called /sffhg/, it would catch on. It already gets discussed here anyway.

Could someone help me with naming two factions in a fantasy setting?

They live within the same city and are cursed with magic to live together for as long as they exist. But they mostly hate eachother, and are culturally different.

One of them has a dark / black aesthetic and the other has a light / white aesthetic.

Could use help with the naming of the city too.

>>9768460
It's not as catchy.

>>9768466
Shades and the Lumos?

>>9768475
City called Spectra?

>>9768466
Ashtereth
Lumogath
living in Derreta

>>9768466
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>>9768487
To be specific, I'm more interested in a name for the factions themselves. As though they were cities of their own.

Like, for example, the main city would be named Spectra and the factions would be named Spectra-Shade and Spectra-Lumos.

>>9768449
I bet being a stupid, hot female is really terrible, but I still find the idea of becoming one arousing. This is how I know I'm not trans, I don't want to be a girl, I just think it would be hot to become one and experience a G-spot orgasm while playing with my own massive tits.

>>9768473
I guess. Either way, I'd be interested to see some horror discussion here. I started out reading mostly horror, and I wonder what is considered the best material the genre has to offer. I get bored of cosmic horror. Surely there is more than just that out there of literary significance.

>>9768489
Spectra-Lumos has a ring to it somehow.

>>9768466
All good names are meaningless. Take an abstract sound/word and jazz it up
Sindhu (Sanskrit) -> Hindu (Persian) -> India (English) -> East India Trading Company (Faction)

Here we have an example of the reluctant lawman plot. Mars is utterly corrupt, graft being essential. Lot's of pulp action. MC involved in two near simultaneous insurrections. A waifu for you tsundere fans (heavily frontloaded on the tsun). I enjoyed it. 4/5 1000 credit mandatory donations to the Widows and Orphans fund.

>>9768495
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>>9768317
Horror is a subset of fantasy. It belongs in the general. Sffg is a blanket cover for everything that isn't biographies (unless it's about the Life of Jesus in his second coming).
Horror is sff
Alt-his is sff
Realism is sff
Once it has some element of the fantastic it's sffg related.

This is why people hate you reddite/tumbshit real life faggots. The general already allows something, but you want it to specifically state it "they should add a h". You faggots always come, meet something, and want it to change to suit YOU.

If you don't like it make your own... oh that's right, when you specifically wanted it to state horror your thread 404'd on it's own. So now you want us to bend over backwards so you can feel good.

Either discuss your shit here, or make a thread and watch it die. Why should we cater to the whims of less than 10 people out of a regular 100? I never cared for the whole sjw "include me" shit before, but you fucks just showed me what everyone was talking about.

Ask the fag who made the horror general to post his charts. People don't discuss horror much because we have been desensitized to a lot of shit. Things that scared people in the 80's/90's don't do shit to someone who was on 4chan for a number of years. Normal fags from redupvote and failbook might get jittery, but horror has fallen to jump scares because exposing some horror fro the depths means shit when you have animes turning horrible things into kawaii misunderstood creatures who just have a bad skin condition, or is suffering from tumours.

>>9768182
John Varney, Gor (science fantasy)

>>9768307
indepth my ass.

Also no one has given a good answer except for, "the university was boring" which I disagree with.

also "the prose sucked" isn't an arguement.

>>9768317
If its a serial killer, no, if its a undead invincible serial killer back from the dead, then yes

If its just a monstrous person behind the horror then id think no but vampire, mutants, robots, werewolves, zombies, etc, then yeah I think it counts

>>9768642
Newfag aren't you? Check 2015. Book is discussed to death.
If you want to read it, read it, if you don't, don't.
If you like it, like it. I kinda liked it but if was too disjointed how it picked up interesting things only to never mention it again. The first book had it's faults but I reasoned it would be made clear in the second.. I was wrong. Disjointed became more so. I could have bared all that, but him becoming a mat, for Deanna to wipe her cunny & sperm soaked shoes from the latest coitus on, pissed me the fuck off.

>>9768577
Sir, there's only one person clamoring for the general to explicitly state it allows horror. Don't get my hopes up for a (You) again.

>>9768174
Is Robert Sheckley good?

>>9768734

>>9768577
Holy fuck dude, you have some issues to sort out. I said it has already been talked about here and that it would be nice to talk about more. Seek help before you become a danger to yourself.

>>9768361
I haven't read too much horror. It's something I'm currently getting more into, but I read Summer of Night recently and it was extremely good.

Is there anything more cringe than song lyrics being written down in a book? Yes there is, characters being so overcome with emotion from a song they start crying.

>>9768361
Lovecraft but don't go in with high expectations, he is a great recycler

pic related is 100% true.

If I had to pick one from the selected science fiction image, what should it be?

>>9768361
Not really "fantastical" but Laird Barron's stuff is GOAT IMO.

>>9768832
I've barely read any of those.

probably gene wolfe.
I'd say forever war ever though it's not on the list.

>>9768832
Roadside Picnic if you haven't already read it.

>>9768182
Snowcrash has a guy fucking a girl until she makes him pass out...from the paralytic needle in her pussy.[.spoiler]

Just finished Cornwell's Warlord Trilogy. Truly the best version of the Arthur tale ever made. I fucking loved it.

>>9768774
Actual sheet music being included in the appendix

>>9768774
>A song has never made me cry

Liar.

>>9768466
>ying and yangs
>aryans and niggers
>pure blood and mud bloods


Why were they cursed though?

>>9768832
>the selected science fiction image
>tfw there's two of them
The first one is "pretentious" and while there's several amazing books I would not recommend any of them to someone that want to read a single sci-fi book.

In the second image there's better choices. Dune, Foundation, Starship Troopers and Lord of Light for example.

>>9768938
Please, at that point the amount of autism starts to loop back around and just becomes impressive.

How do I become the next Rowling?

>>9769129
Please don't.

Rowling is shit.

>>9769129
Write the next Harry Potter.

>>9769129
Have you tried being a single mother?

>>9768466

Factions: Blanks and Shades
City: Duopolis

Can we talk about The Unholy Consult?

>Thoughts
1. Did not expect Kellhus to get BTFO like that, but it was a nice twist.
2. The whole Kelmomas = No God thing caught me by surprise, even though it was foreshadowed.
3. Disappointed that Cnaiur got disintegrated. It was a manly as fuck death, but I still want him to come back.
4. The whole demonic pact with Ajokli needed to be foreshadowed more in the books (outside of the appendix).
5. Felt really, really bad for Aurax.

>Questions
1. Is Kellhus gone for good? A soul's power in the Outside specifically functions on Will to Power, so that could very well mean he becomes a lesser deity or ciphrang or whatever. We already know from previous books that he had been talking to his soul when he visited the Outside. It's even possible that he's one of the gods.
2. Who were the precursors of the Inchoroi? Was it future dunyain? Was the Ark a time machine, or were they literally just aliens from another world?
3. Will Dunyain fucking shits ever be removed?

Overall rating: 7/10, would have been a 9.5/10 had it been left intact with The Great Ordeal instead of being split into two books. The first eight or so chapters of the book sort of drag, but the ending more than made up for all that with the utterly insane shit going on.

>>9769530

Kellhus is supposedly the anti-Frodo so if everything goes along those lines he should be dead for reals and not hiding in the decapitants

I predict Malowebi gets picked up by a Consult dunyain and carried to Zeum where he finds out his body was BTFO by Likaro

Just finished this today, probably the last Dune book I'm going to read, at least for a while anyway.

I was hoping that this would be the best book in the series, lots have people have said it was their favorite. I may come to change my mind later, but as it stands i think it's definitely not the best book in the series but it could have been, which makes it frustrating.

Thematically, it was awesome and it gave me a lot to think about. There were a lot of really interesting characters and ideas presented, and certain scenes were completely brilliant. But the problem is the execution. Endless conversations with Leto got to be very repetitive around halfway through the book. These conversations wouldn't have felt so repetitive if it felt like there was a point to them. Most characters he talks to never end up learning anything because Leto refuses to make sense in his arguments. He uses the most backwards logic I have ever seen, a thesaurus-tier vocabulary, and to top it off he constantly references thousand year old history and poems that the people he's talking to have no idea what to make of.

Also he never shuts the fuck up about his ancestral memories. Like I get it, I don't need to be reminded you know all of human history every chapter. It's interesting but we've already covered this in Children of Dune, and the concept of ancestral memories hasn't been original since it first happened to Alia. It doesn't help Leto's case that he can be extremely grating at times. Like, stop yelling at Moneo dude, he's by far the most loyal and trustworthy person around you.

I have a million other small complaints but this is already turning into a blog, and even though this looks very critical, i enjoyed the book overall. Anyone else feel disappointed by this book?

>>9769635
>But the problem is the execution

That's my problem with the whole dune series. Very brilliant ideas, mind blowing plot really, but...it's just so awkward and fumbling with how everything is actually laid out.

>>9769617
I hope Malowebi sticks around. He's great comedic relief.

>>9769648
Yeah and it only gets more awkward after the first book. The original Dune takes a little getting used to, but it's paced in such a way that it feels like a comprehensive story that all comes together in a satisfying way.

It first became a problem with Children of Dune when all the characters were in different areas, everyone's motivations were mysterious (even point of view characters hide their motives from the reader) and I realized that I had no idea what the fuck the overall plot was.

>>9768256
because a lot of people around here don't wanna fucking read about how badass this kid was in university. the story is absolutely retarded if you don't like coming of age/uni self-insert crap. And the writing reads like college level bullshit. Lots of unrelated similes and metaphors just for the sake of descriptiveness. There's no thematic purpose to the prose other than for the sake of it. It would be interesting if there was a consistent poetic style like writing in verse, to keep up with the bardic themes. Either that, or have a terse workman-like style like tolkien, maintaining a "as a matter of fact" style similar to ancient/medieval folklores.

>>9768271
H G Wells, who is also a god tier writer

>>9769701
I love coming of age/training school novels and I still don't like Kingkiller

When you can't write well, pace well or plot well what's actually left?

>>9768174
Valis is not science fiction

Can you autists rec me some novels with older women being serviced by younger guys?
I didn't know I had this fetish until I read Bakker's white luck warrior and Stephen King's "the stand".

>tfw no puma gf

>>9769788
Shut the fuck up, unless you want to claim every scifi book I see just "the protagonist hallucinating" it's scifi

>>9769828
Unfunny try harder 2/10

>>9769828
She's the kind of older woman I find more attractive than just about any 20-year-old.

>>9769871
Added to my wishlist, thanks.

>>9769828
Predatory female authority figure. Becomes sexually precocious loli.

>>9769530

I don't think Ark is a time loop or Dunyain the Inchoroi progenitors, they could barely fix one nuke and if they can set up the No-God they don't need to make the much more complicated step of rebuilding the Ark and creating more souls, much easier to remove them. There's nothing in the plot that requires a time loop here.

A more pressing question:
>I fear Dragons are the stuff of little girls now

What did she mean by this?

>>9769871
>catamite

I JUST FINISHED TUC
MY SWEET LOVE
WHYYY

>>9769922
Not the loli anon. I already have sadpanda for that. I want supple milfs /gilfs that get breed by young studs.

>>9769893
>tfw no supple milf gf

>>9769878
>unfunny
I'm not joking. My dick was hard when Larry nearly killed the granny. I had daydreams about traveling around in a post apocalyptic world, breeding a granny multiple times a day. I'm rock hard just typing this .

>>9768223
>Can't find it anywhere

Whats it 'bout mah nigguh?

Planet Of The Apes but with cat people with firm tits and ass?

>>9769530

>5. Felt really, really bad for Aurax.
Same. I had envisioned him as some kind of Tekne scientist, grotesque and proud, not the whimpering broken thing grovelling at the feet of inhuman humans.

I think Kellhus has become a Ciphrang, as the Inverse Fire did not show him burning.

I'm pretty sure the Inchoroi were aliens.

3. Will Dunyain fucking shits ever be removed?
Probably not.

>>9769828
PLEASE tell me this chick does porn.

>>9769988
>did everything wrong
>TUC proved that
>all your claims are nought

>>9768737
He's okay. Most of his stories are mediocre, a couple are pretty good.

>>9768886
She's also like 15

>>9770013
>>9769530
>Aurax freaks out and goes catatonic when he finds out Aurang is dead

in the end, humans were the real monsters

>>9770166

But it wasn't a human who killed Mu'miorn

"Unable to think, Malowebi witnessed, watched it all in golden reflection, how the Mutilated seized a begging Kelmomas, first with sorcery, then with hands lacking five fingers, how the child had wailed and kicked and shrieked, realizing he had traded one tyrant for four. Malowebi glimpsed the flutter of small limbs as the Dûnyain thrust him into the great black sarcophagus, heard the porcine shrieks of bodily violations, the heartbreak of his blubbering, his whimpering cries, as the great face of the Carapace closed upon its ancient seal ..."

“Mu-mu-mum-meee ...”

That was pretty fucked up tbqh.

Plus, it was pretty interesting since repeated mention is made of how both Narindar couldn't see Kelmomas. Combined with the fact that we're also told on several occasions that the No God can't be seen by the gods, it makes perfect sense in retrospect.

I really thought that Kellhus was going to willingly climb in the coffin.

In any case, Earwa was completely fucked regardless of the outcome. I see no possibility of a happy ending unless anyone has some ideas.

>mfw Bakker is a leaf

>>9770215
Take your freedums elsewhere

>>9770193
Well, you could argue that the Consult winning is the lesser evil since you're not guaranteed ages upon ages of mortal suffering. Once the Outside is closed off.
there's no inherent incentive for atrocity.

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>>9770322
Overusing spoilers should be a bannable offense.

Cut this shit out you fucking autists.

>>9770343
>hiding events of a recently released book is misusing them
What the fuck are they there for, then?

>>9770349
It's probably some guy with severe OCD who's mad because he has to hover his mouse over each spoiler to read it.

>>9770343
>using spoilers for their intended purpose should be bannable

sasuga, anonymous kun

>>9768174
Got this as a birthday gift. Has anybody read his exegesis?

I was told to read 3 books of his before starting, specifically Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said A Scanner Darkly, and Valis. I've finished Valis and am now onto A Scanner Darkly. I'm sure I'm chatting with the same PKD fans each thread, but I'll open the discussion anyway.

>>9770343
Are you retarded? They're using spoilers for their intended purpose. If you hate looking at them you can set spoilers to be revealed by default.

>>9770003
>Not the loli anon. I already have sadpanda for that. I want supple milfs /gilfs that get breed by young studs.
That's exactly what happens. Then she gets assassinated and her loli clone torments the young underling that she victimized. Granted the milf stuff is short lived (I don't remember her being characterized as sexually appealing).

>>9770007
That's actually not a bad overall plot description. Humans are used as slaves because they aren't (cat)people. It's from the catgirl's PoV . She drives all the (cat)men wild and enjoys a good sensual massage from the domestics.

>>9769878
I dunno, I suppose if he hallucinated about technology then it would be scifi but he just hallucinates about spiritual and mythical things and uses some vaguely technical terminology.

>>9770767
And she is planning to stay a virgin rill death right? Because of the spike penises tbe only way these people reproduce is by rape. Let me guess, females(cats) love the human(males) right?

>>9770941
>And she is planning to stay a virgin rill death right?
Tries to give it away the first night she's legal.
>Because of the spike penises tbe only way these people reproduce is by rape.
Maybe they like it a little rough (ex. The Fallible Fiend by L. Sprague de Camp)?
>Let me guess, females(cats) love the human(males) right?
Bestiality with a hairless ape? Are you some kind of sicko?

Hey what do you guys think of Poul Anderson? I was reading The Day of Their Return and it was slightly interesting, kind of boring, but for the most part I enjoyed it. Is his other work any better?

>>9768894
Have you read the pendragon cycle?

>>9769129
Write YA fiction for your children.

Any scifi that is good to listen to on audiobook? Hell give me some fantasy if it's particularly good. I am looking for something along the lines of gravity's rainbow. Not so far into the future with the author at least trying to keep it realistic.

Boys please. I'm going camping tomorrow and I would love some fantasy to read. Rec me anything, preferably something easily readable. Read the kingkiller chronicle and while it was a harry potter powerfantasy, it was a good time. Reading Vandermeer's southern reach trilogy right now but i'm going to finish it before the trip is over. I'm down for anything; swords, curcuits, celibates? Hit me up pls.

>>9771309
>camping
>reading
White people baka...

Where do I go if I want to download some audiobooks? I only know where to find normal books.

>>9771405
audiobookbay, don't sign up, just copy the hash.

>>9771364
recc me some argentinian sci fi

This series was so unexpectedly anime. Chosen ones, reincarnations, training arcs, power levels, convenient amnesia, O MY EDGY MAGIC WITH THE PROPERTIES OF BOTH OVERPOWEREDNESS AND THE DEMONIC, mummy and daddy love me very much, books that start out pretty great but then become cliched or go full retard (the third book) and there's almost always one character who is obvious (because they're not in the main cast) who betrays everyone.

First book: The first half was way better than the second half which then basically became a short version of the Chronicles of Amber (you know, the really shit part of it) in the most cliched plot and ending ever. Ironically it was actually better than the Chronicles of Amber (aka before Amber stopped being shit and went into full plot twist territory) because the world building wasn't retarded isekai shit. The worldbuilding was as good as the characters were literally two dimensional. I'm not going to attack anyone - Only the most realistic view of the world. Fucking retard.

The power of love saves the day the first time.

Second book: Ah the edgy training arc. The only good character's characterisation goes to shit. Random edginess! The MC literally an heroes - or did he?/spoiler]. The villains clearly haven't read the Evil Overlord List and think that the best way to get the son guy to do what they want is to blatantly lie when all of them including the son can mindread - wtf I love lying now. The power of love saves the day again.

Third book: The author probably takes drugs resulting in an LSD induced haze which is literally the Tom Bombadil episode of the series. Also the villains randomly show up to become completely BTFO because they're fucking idiots who literally spoonfed the character everything and who was obviously going to betray them. The power of love saves the again for the third time. The only good character, Darzid, dies like a bitch. Also, then Mr Pacificist-kun decides to kill his son for the contrived sake plot drama/filler but luckily a bath solves his out of characterness.

Fourth book: This book was actually great in the first 3/4s until it went full retard. Daughter girl reminds me of the Maker's daughter or was that a son from The First Law. Too bad the author can write great premises and retarded endings enmeshed in power levels. You guessed it, the power of love saves the day for the fourth time. At least the guy who reincarnated once and literally avoided death on two separate fucking occasions finally died I think.

It was like one of those trainwreck animes that you can't stop reading. Plots that you can't stop reading but in retrospect they were more full of holes than cheese. Also, Darzid didn't get enough fucking scenes, also he got absolutely rekt and died like a bitch.

Next read is VALIS.

This series was so unexpectedly anime. Chosen ones, reincarnations, training arcs, power levels, convenient amnesia, O MY EDGY MAGIC WITH THE PROPERTIES OF BOTH OVERPOWEREDNESS AND THE DEMONIC, mummy and daddy love me very much, books that start out pretty great but then become cliched or go full retard (the third book) and there's almost always one character who is obvious (because they're not in the main cast) and who betrays everyone.

First book: The first half was way better than the second half which then basically became a short version of the Chronicles of Amber (you know, the really shit part of it) in the most cliched plot and ending ever. Ironically it was actually better than the Chronicles of Amber (aka before Amber stopped being shit and went into full plot twist territory) because the world building wasn't retarded isekai shit. The worldbuilding was as good as the characters were literally two dimensional. I'm not going to attack anyone - Only the most realistic view of the world. Fucking retard.

The power of love saves the day the first time.

Second book: Ah the edgy training arc. The only good character's characterisation goes to shit. Random edginess! The MC literally an heroes - or did he? The villains clearly haven't read the Evil Overlord List and think that the best way to get the son guy to do what they want is to blatantly lie when all of them including the son can mindread - wtf I love lying now. The power of luv saves the day again.

Third book: The author probably takes drugs resulting in an LSD induced haze which is literally the Tom Bombadil episode of the series. Also the villains randomly show up to become completely BTFO because they're fucking idiots who literally spoonfed the character everything and who was obviously going to betray them. The power of love saves the again for the third time. The only good character, Darzid, dies like a bitch. Also, then Mr Pacificist-kun decides to kill his son for the contrived sake plot drama/filler but luckily a bath solves his out of characterness.

Fourth book: This book was actually great in the first 3/4s until it went full retard. Daughter girl reminds me of the Maker's daughter or was that a son from The First Law. Too bad the author can write great premises and retarded endings enmeshed in power levels. You guessed it, the power of love saves the day for the fourth time. At least the guy who reincarnated once and literally avoided death on two separate fucking occasions finally fucking died. I think.

It was like one of those trainwreck animes that you can't stop reading. Plots that you can't stop reading but in retrospect they were more full of holes than cheese. Also, Darzid didn't get enough fucking scenes, also he got absolutely rekt and died like a bitch.

Next read is VALIS.

>>9771535
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And this series scores a borderline pass.

>>9771535
Feel free to discuss books here with other anons. You're not discussing shit right now. This isn't your personal blog. Nobody cares about your inane book reviews and opinions. If you have something you want to talk about with others, feel free, otherwise fuck off back to rebbit where people will upbote your asinine opinions.

Seriously, what even brings these asinine muppets out here?

>>9771549
>We did it leddit!
No!

>>9771559
What a fucking non-response, now you're just annoying all of us. Your posts are shit and you are shit.

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>>9771566
Ah, this will get you nailed.

>>9771569
Ah I file my nails at thee

ok what should i put my effort into?

>Re-reading WoT
>name on the wind
>lies of locke lamora
>way of kings

>>9771570
I'm eating seaweed and you're still a bigger faggot.

>>9771577
famalamapai:
>Re-reading WoT
No. You can practically dl any book in the fucking world why would you reread anything? Experience the power of bantz and words anew.
>name on the wind
No.
>lies of locke lamora
Yes.
>way of kings
Yes.

If you haven't read it you should definitely give Tigana a go. It is not a book worth missing out on due to the inevitable and unenviable nature of death.

>>9771582
>I'm eating seaweed
Can't disagree with that.
>you're still a bigger faggot
DELET THIS.

>>9771535
>Next read is VALIS.

Good lad. Always remember: the empire never ended.

What's the 'start with the greeks' of sci-fi and fantasy?

>>9771607
I fear that I'm never going to find as good an author as PKD again.

>>9771637
You won't find anyone else quite like PKD but 1) he has his weaker areas just like all authors and 2) fortunately for us he was prolific as fuck

I'm reading The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch and it's excellent and really creeping me out and making me feel uneasy. No one gives me that feeling like PKD

>>9771642
I'm a Ubikfag and I've read Sheep but I'm definitely going to savour VALIS and The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch. I'm trying to save those two for a rainy day, however.

>>9771364
>not reading when camping
Even better if you're hiking, there's noting more comfy than taking out your book in camp after a long days walk.

>>9771634
>What's the 'start with the greeks' of sci-fi and fantasy?
The actual fucking Greeks. Mythology is fantasy.

>>9771653
One of my favourites is A Scanner Darkly. It's one of his partly-autobiographical stories (like VALIS) but quite unique because it took him like 4 years to write, the reason being it was so painful for him. PKD would get drugged up and pump books out really fast at a rate of a few a year at his peak (some of this best books like Ubik were written in this period).

But Scanner was written later on and for reasons apparent when you read it, so much harder for him. After PKD died, his wife would say in interviews that during the period he was writing Scanner she'd often go up to see him in his study and find him broken down and crying right there on his desk.

That's one of the reasons I like PKD so much, it's not just his imagination but what a brave author he was.

>>9771634
Yeah still just the greeks.

>over 50 years since Dune was published
>no other sci-fi novel has come close

When are sci-fi authors going to get their act together?

>>9771634
Start with the Greeks

>>9771700
Never, the great era of writers is long gone.

>asked for some PKD recs 2-3 weeks ago
>since then mass Dick discussion every thread

Am I a force for good after all?

>>9768256
Unlikeable Mary Sue character
Pretentious prose
Unlikeable author
The whole second book is a cringefest (The sex fairy, the totally-not-asians who have sex everywhere)

>>9771881
Don't be so surprised. /lit/ has always liked the Dick.

>>9771667
I never knew that about PKD but damn. He must have poured his life out on those books.

>>9771881
The shilling of good books is always welcome.

>>9769530
>Is Kellhus gone for good?
I doubt it. He's the main character of the entire series and sort of the entire point. The whole reason Bakker introduced the decapitated heads is to allow him to survive as one. I wouldn't be surprised if it was all part of his master plan.
2. Who were the precursors of the Inchoroi?
Ayliums
3. Will Dunyain fucking shits ever be removed?
Yes, but only at the very end

>>9771660
This tbqh

>>9770971
I liked his Operation: Chaos

>>9770193
Jesus, what happened here?

fuck, shifting to a new character every chapter is the worst meme in fantasy, authors that do that should be waterboarded.

>>9772045
Multiple POVs is literal cancer.

>>9772045
Who were you reading that gave you such buttpain?

>>9772050
stormlight
>>9772047
I prefer single POV but I wouldn't go that far, sometimes it is necessary to tell a certain story. But every chapter, or 10 pages? total immersion breaker, just awful.

>>9772045
but anon how else will I pad out my 17 book epic fantasy series?

>>9772057
the best epics have a strong character piece in them, just flesh out the protagonist properly.

I need some good YA shit for genre research.

>>9772054
Stormlight is the complete distillation of pop fantasy. This is what it all comes down to. And it was written by a fucking Mormon. It's like when that Christian kid who wasn't allowed to watch Digimon still had to pretend to know everything about it so the kids at school won't hate him.

>>9768256
insufferable, "witty" dialogue and mary stu self insert isnt enough for you?

>>9772093
Sabriel
Bartimaeus

>>9770581
I haven't. Can't find it in the stores around here so I guess I have to order it online after I've read Valis. I imagine the book is quite a ride though.

>>9768466
>Could use help with the naming of the city too.
Stockholm.

>>9771989
Kid gets raped by some monsters. I think there's a pig involved?

>>9772095
as if stormlight is even close to deviating on the norm on this front. fact is, almost all big fantasy epics switches perspective like it has a severe schizoid disorder.

i'm almost finished listening to the last Demon Cycle book on graphic audio.

why the fuck did i do this to myself

>>9771634
The Brother's Grimm. All their stories

>>9772345
It's definitely worse than normal because he can't stop fucking repeating himself either. Every chapter just feels like a slight variation of the previous chapter to feature that character while retreading various established back story and plot contrivances for no particular reason.

>>9772449
The Core this year!!!
I can't wait

>I told her that I did be surely her Master, in verity, and she mine own Baby-Slave

>>9772602
Sounds hot, who wrote that?

>>9772602
Is this a real quote?

I am on the verge of purchasing this book. It's already on my amazon wishlist. It won't take much to push me over the edge.

>>9772607
It absolutely is. He also spanks her and rubs her feet a lot.

>>9772449
the juggler guy is the only one left that I don't completely hate

>>9772610
Oh my...

>>9772606
>>9772607
It's in "The Night Land", by pic related. I'm about halfway through and it's one of the best AND worst things I've ever read. Here's a repost from last thread:

>the Night land is the prose, impenetrable, endless, and filled with grotesque horrors
>the Narrator is an Evil Power, seeking every moment to Destroy the Soul of any reader who possesses insufficient good cheer and hardy courage to ward off despair and continue reading
>Nanni is the plot, far away, weak, in desperate need of rescue, and utterly controlled by the Narrator

>>9772560
Probably gonna be shit like the last one.., still will read it though.

Neal Stephenson desu

>>9771464
Book of the New Sun

>>9771637
>>9771642
>>9771653
All of the above.
A Scanner Darkly is also excellent imho

>>9771700
Book of the New Sun tbph

>shiller forcing BoTNS to general Wolfe like forces Christianity into his novels

thoughts on the dark tower? im on the wastelands (third book in the series) and its not really gripping me. its got some nice moments and i think roland and jake are great characters but susannah is written so badly. king trying to do AAVE is cringy as fuck imo. i actually like his other writings but eh, im not so sure about this so far. i thought the gunslinger was the best by far.

>>9772987
These wordarts are just getting more and more nonsensical.

>>9773073
That's an old one friend of the new.

>>9773073
That one is OLD. An anon gave a review for long sun and said it was like gene wolfe hammering Christianity into the novels... I made that for him, he said that exactly what he felt when reading the novel.

>>9768894
I wish Cornwell would do more novels like this: historical fiction/quasi-fantasy from murky periods of history.

>>9773064
The Gunslinger is the best book in the entire series IMO. The last 3 books are shit.

The Galaxy's Edge series is excellent (and my first foray into sci-fi novels). Legionnaire is more military sci-fi with lots of fantastic action. Can be read in a single day too since it's only 300 so pages long. Galactic Outlaws is more space opera with lots of planet hopping space-travel and an unfolding plot with the future of the galaxy at stake, but still plenty of sweet, sweet action.

>>9769129
Write something teenage girls would want to be a part of but doesn't alienate anyone else.

>>9773128
it's really weird because it seems that everybody gushes about the books following the gunslinger while also instructing others to keep going because it "gets better." but i thought that one managed to evoke a much more interesting atmosphere and world than the drawing of the three or the wastelands (so far). i mean, i'm almost half-way through so i may as well finish it. dunno if i'll continue with the forth tho...

Should I?

>>9768399

I have learned never to loan out a book I'm unwilling to lose forever

>>9768950
Because they both have a pretty powerful weapon each (think nukes) and if they were cursed to live with eachother that weapon couldn't be used without guaranteeing their own demise (think MAD)

>>9773192
If you want to read grimderp then go ahead. You could certainly do worse (Steel Remains).

>>9769767
>When you can't write well, pace well or plot well what's actually left?

Edginess

Thoughts on the American Tolkien?

>>9773234
At least Lawrence has improved as he's gone on, Rothfuss spent so long on his (shit) first book that he somehow regressed when writing the sequel

>>9770215

It certainly explains his forced-feminization pederastic gay rape fetish

>>9773249
I like everything he's done except ASOIAF

Can anyone help me to understand the Sword of Truth series? The first few books were actually pretty good, and then a dozen books later I'm reading about Rapey Krugar and his rape army of rapists, meta-cucking, amnesia plots, the Fountainhead set in communist china, A WHOLE FUCKING BOOK WITHOUT THE MAIN CHARACTERS, and invisible death chicken demon gods.
Now granted, there were warning signs. Like the BDSM femdom romance novella, and all the gratuitous demonic nun rape, but those were acceptable diversions and actually seemed to add to the plot.
Did Terry go fucking insane? Did he have a near death experience and see a holy vision of Ayn Rand? Or did nothing change and I was just fooling myself the whole time?

Oh boy, I just finished this little PKD novel from 1970. The number of twists, fake-outs, ambiguities and illusions is even more than in Three Stigmata and Ubik. There's also a bit of Agatha Christy/whodunnit, or 'whatdunnit' murder mystery about this one too. And another of PKD's constructed religions, a dualistic system with a 'Mentumanufacturer, Intercessor, and Form Destroyer. This novel is bananas, but it's a nice condensed example of PKD's typical preoccupations with unreality, religion, and subjectivity - with more about death and the self destructive will in this particular novel.

Plot in brief: 13 people are assigned to a remote Earth colony on Delmak-0. Soon they begin mysteriously dying, on what turns out to be a very bleak place. I'll be happy to discuss this book with anybody else and take queries.

>>9773251
How triggered will you be when KKC movie and TV series turn out to be a great success and Rothfuss will be hailed as an amazing writer?

>>9773269
I lost interest after the second one really.

>>9773269
>Did Terry go fucking insane?
Yeah right after 9/11

You can look at the dates of the books and it matches up exactly with his breaking point

>>9773251
>>9773234
It gets better? I somehow managed to push past the unbearable edge and magical negro underground railroad but I dropped it after the epic battle of some shithead throwing a tantrum and smashing a big crystal to prove how "intelligent" he was.

>>9773289
Not the Prince of Thorns novels but the other trilogy and his new book are much better

>>9773270
It is absolutely my favorite PKD novel. I found it so crushingly depressing that when I finished it I just sat there stunned for a while. More people should read it instead of just reading Valis and Ubik desu. Also the chapter titles is a cute little gag.

>>9771535

See, this is a case where you can judge a book by its cover. First I saw a female author (Carol (((Berg)))), then the painting (romance novel with strong homoerotic undertones), then the place-names (Son of Avonar, the Bridge of D'Arnath) and that told me all I needed to know. Nothing in your review contradicts that first impression.

>>9773270
>Not for sale in Canada
Yeah, that'll show 'em!

>>9773300
I read Valis and found it very uneven. Maze Of Death seems to express PKD's feelings about death and religion quite clearly. The realities-within-realities (and those realities having real and 'less real' components) is handled better here than in books like Three Stigmata, and even Ubik. Maze Of Death seems to be an underrated book compared to the others. Without spoiling anything, I found the ending both bleak but also hopeful.

>>9768256
dredging my post up from the archives just for you

- threadbare plot, bloated beyond belief
>first page is total wankage ("It was the patient, cut-flower sound of a man who is waiting to die", the line every redditor sperges over, is vacuous and nonsensical)
>very nice opening scene, the stuff about the chandrian is spooky
>excellent opening scene with the Chronicler, written in a fairly subtle way
>goes to shit after this
>long, unnecessarily, uninteresting backstory about muh gypsies with le heart of gold
>saturday night cartoon villains show up (' “And you seem to forget our purpose,” the dark man said, his cool voice sharpening. “Or does your purpose simply differ from my own?” The last words were spoken carefully, as if they held special significance. ')
>AFTER THIS: MUH DEBTS
>university, too much to cover here
>then, for the climax, the "but MY dragon acts like THIS" part of no plot significance

- most of the things that would be interesting, kvothe skips over for no reason ("hurr it's not le part of this story! XD")

- literally says around pg100 to this effect: "and some would say this is where the story really begins"

- the author is a cucked beta who tries to pass this off as the way of le superior gentleman:
>"I came to know most of them. None were good enough for her, so I held them in contempt and hated them. They in turn hated and feared me. I have known her longer, my smile said. True, you have been inside the circle of her arms, tasted her mouth, felt the warmth of her, and that is something I have never had. But there is a part of her that is only for me. You cannot touch it, no matter how hard you might try. And after she has left you I will still be here, making her laugh. My light shining in her. I will still be here long after she has forgotten your name."

- boring, paper-thin worldbuilding

- shitty poetry, which he lauds himself in the text for writing while deriding actual poets

- cringey characters written in cliches:

>"My father gave me a kiss too. “Let me have your shirt. It’ll give me something to do while your mother fixes dinner.” He skinned me out of it and fingered the torn edges. “This shirt is wholly holey, more than it has any right to be.”
>“I think it’s nice,” my mother said, walking around from the back of the wagon. “Gives us the chance for something hot,” she gave my father a significant look, “to eat. It gets frustrating making do with whatever you can grab at the end of the day. A body wants more.”

not finished

>>9773289

I literally dropped it five pages in, and I only read those five pages because it was hilariously bad.
>I nodded to the crows
>The leader of the peasants I killed to be edgy was named BOVINE
>It's killing that gives me a thirst (:<
I wouldnt be surprised if he wrote the bulk of it when he was 13 and just edited and spruced it up for publishing. This does not, however, explain the great mystery of how it got published at all

>>9773325
>>9768256
- prose that is garbage and often totally nonsensical:
>"He looked at me. His mouth moved. He called the wind. A leaf in lightning, I shook. And the thunderclap was black."
>"He was a creature of winter’s pale."
>"Perhaps the greatest faculty our minds possess is the ability to cope with pain."
^ minds are pretty shit at this
>"When we are children we seldom think of the future. This innocence leaves us free to enjoy ourselves as few adults can. The day we fret about the future is the day we leave our childhood behind." or “But most eleven-year-olds’ deepest thoughts have to do with skipping stones, and how to swing a cat by the tail.”
^ retarded cliche. apparently most people can't remember that you actually worried just about the same or more as a kid though, so it's par for the course in fantasy writing.

- his retarded "you wouldn't understand X thing" phrase he constantly inserts, when it's something you could definitely understand

- title drops constantly

- unlikable, elitist, gary stu MC:
>"To truly understand what it was like, you must realize that nothing is so grand as a troupe showing off for one another. Small towns, rural inns, those places didn’t know good entertainment from bad. Your fellow performers did."
>Kvothe continued, smiling himself. “I see you laugh. Very well, for simplicity’s sake, let us assume I am the center of creation. Let us hurry forward to the only tale of any real importance.” His smile broadened. “Mine.”
>“It is easier to understand if you think of it in terms of music. Sometimes a man enjoys a symphony. Elsetimes he finds a jig more suited to his taste. The same holds true for lovemaking. One type is suited to the deep cushions of a twilight forest glade. Another comes quite naturally tangled in the sheets of narrow beds upstairs in inns. Each woman is like an instrument, waiting to be learned, loved, and finely played, to have at last her own true music made. Some might take offense at this way of seeing things, not understanding how a trouper views his music. They might think I degrade women. They might consider me callous, or boorish, or crude. But those people do not understand love, or music, or me.”

>>9773319
I guess you could call it sort of underrated. Although since he wrote like 40 books and most of them go completely without mentioning it doesn't suffer the most ( We mostly seem to traffic in Ubik, Valis, Stigmata and Androids it seems ). I try to champion for A Maze of Death whenever I find the opportunity and I'm glad someone else in the thread read it.

>>9773326
You see, I would have dropped it there too, but I'm stricken with a terrible affliction: I have story optimism. I can't help but see the potential good futures of stories. I thought it was supposed to be a comedy. The edginess was just SO EXTREME that I thought it was a joke. EVERYTHING was just so laughably bad, from scaring away ghosts with his MANLY AURA OF COURAGE, to studying ancient wisdom from his fu-manchu WISE AND ANCIENT EASTERN MASTER, even the underground railroad, and the ANCIENT AND FORGOTTEN SECRET SWORD MADE OF REBAR! They were all surely hilarious jokes about how people write stupid shit like this. And the plot was surely going to be about everything going horribly wrong and this shithead deluding himself into thinking he's God because of a series of highly improbable events.

But no. It wasn't a parody. It was DEAD. FUCKING.SERIOUS.

>>9773325
>>9773335
But you're wrong though? Those are some of the greatest fantasy books ever in my opinion. The only real knock against them that is that Rothfuss is a gigantic piece of shit. I wish I'd never stumbled across his blog looking for updates on book three. God I hate him so much, every single frame of his face I see just makes me angrier.
I think you just knew more about him before reading the books and let that color your judgement. I'm glad I read all stuff he wrote before I found out about him, and I'm worried about what will happen if the third book ever comes out, but I think if I try really hard I can forget everything I know about him before it comes out.

>>9773372
>I thought it was supposed to be a comedy. The edginess was just SO EXTREME that I thought it was a joke. EVERYTHING was just so laughably bad,

Kek I actually considered this too

>>9773326
>>9773372
In his defense the edginess is explained away later on

Although the protag carries on being a bit of a shit anyway

>>9769896
Beware, just read it, it's real bad, but the puma is still ace

can we have again some list of SciFi that's not been contaminated with feminazism, genderism or other kinds of leftist lunacy? It's becoming increasingly difficult to find such works.

>>9773410
Do your own fucking research since you'll find an excuse to moan about anything suggested to you because a woman exists in it or something

>>9773420
>because a woman exists in it or something
straw(wo)man from a SJW retard

>>9773410
SF (with a few exceptions) hasn't been "contaminated", you're just a nutter. Read Blindsight.

>>9773405
No problems friend. I have a high tolerance for mediocrity.

>>9773449
>>SF (with a few exceptions) hasn't been "contaminated",
LOL. TOR is practically the main outlet for such shit. 3/4 of its authors are trannies or lesbos or n-dimensional hyperdykes.

>>9773403
>later on
What kind of madman could keep reading long enough to find out? If I was trapped in a collapsed col mine with nothing to do but read that book I'd rather entertain myself by going insane!

>>9773410
There's plenty of older works to read. Certainly plenty of it is pushing an agenda, but the passage of time has rendered it less intrusive than similar writing in contemporary fiction.

Not sure if this could be of use to our resident Dick-heads, but almost all his audiobooks are on YouTube. Most of them have these beautifully cheesy '90s cyberpunk sound effects at the start, and the ones I've marked "older version" seem to have been transcribed from cassette tapes, which is oddly appropriate to his whole coin-operated retro-future aesthetic.

(1/2)

Vulcan's Hammer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDk7gJm06iM

Dr. Futurity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcWXAuHKh7o

The Cosmic Puppets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vslZrSFKc4g

Solar Lottery https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGJ8rJmZFUo

The World Jones Made https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_WAVa21QMQ

Eye in the Sky https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNMVqGHACRU

The Broken Bubble (playlist) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTXi6RNbQX8&list=PL8FOUNWblapUYAv_2uQ96DEgd_uNbHSeQ

Time Out of Joint https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8obzJ-iKInE

Confessions of a Crap Artist (non-SF) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtOY6GgSFn8

Humpty Dumpty in Oakland (non-SF) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWusVM2_GTY

The Man in the High Castle (playlist) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URyFIZRqMVM&list=PL8FOUNWblapVfh9DbRH_3OinUdWzy0T8w

We Can Build You https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mnx1nqFfV4

Martian Time-Slip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd_LCURidCo&list=PL8FOUNWblapWeUEpj9pRNSB5OssS5_xMp

Dr. Bloodmoney https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtbczYGZteA

The Game-Players of Titan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gySO2L6x3yc

The Simulacra https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGib-lcRP_M&t=13s

The Crack in Space https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCXL9lfeR-I

Now Wait for Last Year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd2YLBP6hm8

Clans of the Alphane Moon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbCWqXuSxtA

The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch (playlist, older version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJcTi0CwcU4&list=PL8FOUNWblapV1QHs4A6Orc_oMFR4ZhgTZ

>>9773476
(2/2)

The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch (newer version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdhIXGQN2Ok&t=37s

The Zap Gun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTW5Cko8pp8

The Penultimate Truth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaFc8B48J5o

Deus Irae (co-written with Roger Zelazny) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGzu6x29gzU

Lies, Inc. (aka The Unteleported Man) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty40f_uuZYs

Counter-Clock World https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYuJ-Yj-Qbo

Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? (playlist) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3_HAcxsvpg&list=PL8FOUNWblapUdeQ86NW1SrmVno-jsDknO

Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? (different version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpNbafxtz54

Ubik (playlist, older version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYNO9LR_ORo&list=PL8FOUNWblapUixr9GCeIwr0GDAd2LFoGL

Ubik (Newer version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffrn3CBNhIs
Galactic Pot-Healer (playlist) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acFcu8K2NHg&list=PL8FOUNWblapWTWGaWHLuyg__qtH3JnbVV

A Maze of Death https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3hg1S_ZM2c

Our Friends from Frolix 8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwa5Qau97Os

Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4uPypFSMm4

A Scanner Darkly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrIWCm0fRjg

Radio Free Albemuth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjKgXXqzpBY

VALIS (playlist, older version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qSdDAY5W60&list=PL8FOUNWblapX8m440sH80Vz75rfZTtv10
VALIS (newer version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUboIf2FNTs

The Divine Invasion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_zt15GYTBg

The Transmigration of Timothy Archer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=762YdYBEbPw

>>9773469
True but there are non-feminists on Tor too, like Gene Wolfe.

>>9773395
i knew absolutely nothing about him before reading him, but i am the guy who started the hate rothfuss meme here in 2015

>>9773473
I read Red Sister without realising he wrote it and really enjoyed it so I went back to give Prince edgelord another shot

Gave up on the second book this time

>>9773449
>SF hasn't been "contaminated"
It's the most pozzed genre out there. Most publishers don't even want to publish books written by white people. Feminist ideology basically has to be ham-fisted into every single book.

>>9773490
There is so much worse than Rothfuss out there

>>9773410
Doesn't exist, if you don't have a majority shitskin character list a public library won't even purchase your books.

>>9773476
Thankyou, you raaging faggot.

Gonna start listening now instead of the usual japanese asmr ear licking videos I normall fall asleep with.

>>9773498
Please don't use ham-fisted as a verb.

>>9773498
>unironically using terms like "pozzed"
You are the problem here.

>>9773502
not googling or anything, but is this ready player one?

>>9773502
The printing press was a mistake.

>>9773449
>SF (with a few exceptions) hasn't been "contaminated"
>wrong.gif
I'd link you to a recent video that discusses just how "contaminated" sci-fi is and that it took place decades ago, but I'm sure you'd either not watch it or feign idiocy and claim it's bullshit.

>>9773514
Yep. It's basically 200-odd pages of "only '80s kids will get this sweet reference".

>>9773514
>>9773502
I've never read the book but I guessed what it was just from "I-r0k"

>>9773490
That's strange then. Because I don't see a problem with any of the things you mentioned. For instance, calling Kvothe a Mary Sue when he has blatant massive flaws the constantly fuck him up is stupid. Have you considered that you might not be intelligent enough to enjoy it?
The books have real flaws, but you haven't really focussed on them. That not-china section was distinctly worse than the rest of the book, and there are occassions when you can see the grasping tentacles of his "enlightened" philosophy squeezing through the cracks, but other than that there's so much good shit it outshines any minor flaws.
Like the fact that all the songs and rhymes actually link together and have plot relevance, or that he managed to tell a relatively solid creation story and world history blatantly infodumping it.

>>9773536
*without blatantly infodumping it

>>9773509
Letting SJWs into your niche is just like bug chasing. Although cancer might be a more apt comparison.

Anyhow, even if you don't like the choice of words that doesn't make it any less true. Indeed, going after the form and not the content of the post would seem to indicate that you are well aware of this.

>>9773545
We can swap semantics forever - an actual example of a writer/title you find cancerous would be more useful. (inb4 Scalzi, I already know about him and would agree to some extent, but he's not particularly popular).

>>9773502
>Grinning he produced an item from his inventory and held it up.
>'How old is this Atari 2600 game?'
>The arrogant POV character smirked quite grin-like and smugly replied, "66 years you ignorant twink."
>'Wrong. It's been 72 years since Halliday was born. If it was 66 years and twinks, as you say, are real... then it should be a PS4 exclusive now."
>The idiot main character was visibly shaken and dropped his copy of Pop Culture Trivia, Vol IIV. He stormed out of the room with those disgusting protagonist tears streaming down his face.

>>9773403

Well, the Amazon description helpful gave away what I assume is the explanation, that our 13 year old (REEEE) protagonist saw his mom and sister killed and therefore became an edgy emo. Maybe it's more in-depth in the text but goddamn

>>9773573
Is that the one where the main character is described as very young but also "weary of war" or something like that?

>>9773410

This shit really started in the 60s and got bad by the 70s and has gone steadily downhill ever since, but generally the older something is the less obtrusive and cringe-inducing will be the agenda. Pulp fiction from the 50s and earlier is actually pretty comfy as long as it is reasonably well-written.

>>9773573
I read that scene, it doesn't justify shit. The character isn't the problem, the author is! You can have an edgy fuckhead MC and still write a good story, but not if the entire world bends backwards to suck his dick while it gets fucked in the ass.

>>9773583
The opposite if anything.

>>9773502

>>9773536
>That's strange then. Because I don't see a problem with any of the things you mentioned. For instance, calling Kvothe a Mary Sue when he has blatant massive flaws the constantly fuck him up is stupid. Have you considered that you might not be intelligent enough to enjoy it?

am i talking to the original guy or are you another guy?

kvothe has "flaws" but they don't actually harm him, they just make him more super special awesome. THAT'S why he's a mary sue. he gets into trouble with Master Hemme, but actually he got whipped over it and he was super special awesome because they called him "The Bloodless" and everyone talked about him forever because he's so amazing because... ?

someone else tests him with some bullshit... and he ostensibly fails... but lo and behold he was actually doing the super special awesome thing that person wanted! this one comes up a lot. (see also, Vashet in book 2, with crying because he's so awesome)

kvothe never actually outright fails, he just stumbles on a path to being 100% the best ever, and then he tells you how because he stumbled he was actually super awesome anyway because in the end he was the best ever at that thing and everyone agreed and lauded more titles and ridiculous stories on him for doing fuck all

the book is full of this

it's not a smart book

>>9773410
That's what happens you read from genres that had to deeply tie itself with the politics of its time at a cheap attempt to be taken seriously from being known as teenage escapism and novelized predictions of the future.

>>9773647
Did you not read the same books I did? He does fail majorly all the time, in horrible important ways. The whole running theme is that he thinks he's hot shit and the best at everything and this constantly fucks him over and ruins his life. Each time he manages to crawl back out of the hole he digs himself, only to dig a BIGGER, DEEPER hole the next time. The stories and rumors and songs about him are supposed to be a running joke, because all they do is misinterpret all the horrible mistakes he made and turn them into heroic tales of valor, while totally ignoring the times he ACTUALLY does anything of merit. The whole point is that stories are lies, exaggerations, and falsehoods, with only a kernel of truth left to them. The stories about Kvothe himself are there to give you an idea about what ACTUALLY happened in the past, and how utterly twisted and wrong the stories are.

>>9773573
Nah he's being mindcontrolled to do it by an evil wizard

>>9773688
Reminds me of Mistborn, where I almost dropped the series because the MC caught a serious case of the retarded. Turned out it was also mindcontrol, ever since she put on the earing her brother gave her she was being driven insane by the Devil

>>9773192
Definitely. One of the few "grimdark" fantasy series worth reading. The only downside is that once you've read them there is really nothing Abercrombie can offer to you. His prose, style and characters get really jarring and first law trilogy is vastly superior to rest of his works.

>>9773684
>he thinks he's hot shit and the best at everything and this constantly fucks him over and ruins his life.

no, he actually IS hot shit and fantastic at everything except denna

>Each time he manages to crawl back out of the hole he digs himself, only to dig a BIGGER, DEEPER hole the next time.

muh debts that don't actually harm him because he always gets the money for what he needs anyway

>because all they do is misinterpret all the horrible mistakes he made and turn them into heroic tales of valor

which is totally nonsensical. why are people standing around making up stories for the TOTALLY MUNDANE (in this world) things he's done? he was a poor faggot nobody and yet everyone's hobby seems to be talking about him and talking about how he's really AN angel/demon/zombie/fae/evil/good/etc. because uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. oh, it's because they're obsessed with him because he's the POV character.

>>9773725
*ahem*
>except denna (but he'll tell you because he couldn't get denna's snatch he was secretly the winner anyway because his light was shining in her)*

>>9773725
>why are people standing around making up stories for the TOTALLY MUNDANE (in this world) things he's done?
His one and only real skill is self promotion. He's rally good and playing the lute and singing, and goes to a lot of effort to spread word of himself around. Why do people care about Paris Hilton? He's visually distinct and has good branding. He also HAS done a few things which aren't mundane at all, thouhg ironically no one but him cares.

As for consequences, the money never mattered. The real issue is that he winds up making EVERYONE his enemy. he just can't stop pissing off important people and then constantly boasting about it until they try to kill him. Everyone who's anyone either hates his guts, fears associating with him, or considers him distasteful.

>>9768182
Philip Jose Farmer. /d/ material right here, sometime on the freudian side.

The Image of the beast
>a world of apparent monsters who have a predilection for brutal and supernatural sex. The monsters including vampires, werewolves, snake-women, other undefined shape-changers and his ex-wife.

> In Night of Light (1966), he devised an alien race where aliens have only one mother but several fathers, perhaps because of an unusual or untenable physical position that cannot be reached or continued by two individuals acting alone.

>>9773270
>>9773300
>>9773319
You guys have convinced me to read it

>>9773747
kvothe is not the paris hilton of his world, no one cares about him in most of the flashbacks, yet they still made up stories about him. people at least cared about paris in a superficial way. they knew the name.

>The real issue is that he winds up making EVERYONE his enemy.

once again, never has any real consequences for him.

zomg the showdown with Ambrose in Book 1!!!! I BET THIS WILL BE EPI- oh kvothe summoned the super special title drop power to break his arm and elodin thinks this is amazing and really wants kvothe as his student now? that was over quick.

also Ambrose hates kvothe because...? (literally a malfoy type with no motivation)

>>9773757
>and his ex-wife
top kek

>>9768182
>>9773757
>In his novel Flesh (1960), a hypermasculine antlered man ritually impregnates legions of virgins in order to counter declining male fertility.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_sexuality_in_speculative_fiction

>>9773518
Link it

>>9773795
>why does Ambrose hate Kvothe?
Why do you? Same reason.

How about how he lost several years of his only reason for going to the University because he was an asshole and drugged himself to look cool?
Or how he wound up living crammed in the corner of an attic coming and going through the window because of the constant fear of having his legs broken by hired thugs, or being thrown in prison and almost burned at the stake for witchcraft?
Just because he hasn't died or been crippled doesn't mean he hasn't made his own life suck shit for no reason.

>>9773838
>Why do you? Same reason.

cringe

>Just because he hasn't died or been crippled doesn't mean he hasn't made his own life suck shit for no reason.

"if you have never been truly poor, you will not understand"

>- t. poor little kvothe, as he gets free room and board for playing his lute along with money for doing so

>- t. poor little kvothe, who knows how to make and sell magic artefacts, a profession only a handful of people in the world are qualified to do, which he does better than pretty much anybody else out there

>- t. poor little kvothe, who gets to go to university and be in the top 95% percentile of the world

>>9771634
Literally The Greeks.

>>9773898
You really don't get it? Man, some people...
What he's saying is that it never goes away. No matter how much free shit you get, and how much cash you build up, you can't stop thinking like you've got nothing. It's like people who live through famines and then hoard food for the rest of their lives even though they're 300lbs.

I think you're just an exceptionally dense guy. Either that or you're REALLY not cut out for this style of writing. You just don't seem to "get" it. The criticisms you make aren't criticisms at all. To me it's like you're complaining that 5-alarm chili is too spicy, or that there's too much sugar in your syrup. That's the whole point!

>>9773938
Is this some kind of anime misunderstanding thing were the mc is garbage but people assume he's bad ass?

Like in mx0

I actually enjoy that trope.

>>9773938
>you've got nothing

HE NEVER HAD NOTHING! he had lucrative skills he could ply at any time to get tons of dosh, yet the reader is supposed to feel sad for this entitled piece of shit. it's insulting, is what it is.

>I think you're just an exceptionally dense guy. Either that or you're REALLY not cut out for this style of writing. You just don't seem to "get" it. The criticisms you make aren't criticisms at all. To me it's like you're complaining that 5-alarm chili is too spicy, or that there's too much sugar in your syrup. That's the whole point!

fuck off rothfuss. yeah, i don't "get" pure shit prose, pure shit characters and pure shit plot.

>>9773758
Then I've done my good deed for the day and that makes me happy. Give us your thoughts when you've read it and I'm sure me and the three other PKD fanatics in this thread will be interested.

>>9773967
>HE NEVER HAD NOTHING
So he was secretly rich when he spent two years as a homeless beggar living off of garbage and discarded bread rinds?

>>9773325
Some of what you say is true, but I get the feeling you don't know that the entire overarching plot of the 3 books and the major plot points of book 3 are all hidden in the first two books. If you say the books lack depth then you can simply look up any website that hosts forums for speculative fiction to see that you can literally write dozens of pages worth of speculation backed up by the material.

>>9773982
he was poor because rothfuss gave him lucrative skills and then expected the reader to buy his poorly-thought-out whinging poverty wank.

apparently some of them did.

Did everyone start calling him PKD just to avoid "Dick" jokes?

>>9774014
>Some of what you say is true, but I get the feeling you don't know that the entire overarching plot of the 3 books and the major plot points of book 3 are all hidden in the first two books.

the books themselves aren't interesting enough to warrant such speculation

it's a fairly common thing for writers to bait people like this in a series, with promises of fantastic things to come. that amazing *cough* Wheel *cough* of Time series did that.

>>9773688

That... That's even worse desu senpai

>>9773834
https://vid.me/gGRp

>>9773838
>How about how he lost several years of his only reason for going to the University because he was an asshole and drugged himself to look cool?
>Or how he wound up living crammed in the corner of an attic coming and going through the window because of the constant fear of having his legs broken by hired thugs, or being thrown in prison and almost burned at the stake for witchcraft?
>Just because he hasn't died or been crippled doesn't mean he hasn't made his own life suck shit for no reason.

Story of my life, ngl

>>9774034
It's short and snappy which may be why it took hold with the dickheads of this thread

>>9774115
>https://vid.me/gGRp
Well this is off to a good start

>>9774115
>twink bunny avatar

c'mon, you knew somebody would have to say something

good vid tho

>>9774140
>>9774141

Furfags deserve to be pitched headfirst into the fires of perdition

>>9773545
I actually want to start making a bug catching/etc.-related folder. Can you dump some forum posts? That's about the main material I see.

>>9773476
Intriguing, thanks

>>9774202
bug chase this

>>9773410
If you bothered reading Too Like the Lightning until Seven Surrenders you'd realise the actual message of the book is getting rid of gender is a mistake

>>9770581
Read Ubik. Also it's not scifi.

>>9774037
Except in this series it actually hides interesting things. Like that the Archive War (in which the shelving scheme is messed with every 20-50 years) is just cover for the Amyr to prune libraries all around the world (we see that Lauren sends out Scrivs to get books from private collections). Also that the Amyr's "door" that the Cthaeh talks about is the four plate door, and is also the "door that holds the flood" (a flood of information about the Amyr). That Bredon is second in line for the position of Maer, that he is behind the assassination attempt; and that he will succeed by using sympathy (via the information Denna gave him during the bar-trading-info-scene). After the Maer is dead and the new Maer takes his place: an inquisition will be led against the University (like what happened 150 years previous) (this will happen because Kvothe spread hundreds of rumors about using magical powers to kill people and then vanished from the Maer's employ). At some point Bredon will take Kvothe before the Four Plate Door (thus fulfilling the lines of "Stick with the Maer and he will lead you to their door... I wish you mortals were intelligent enough to appreciate me, but don't worry, you'll get the joke, you'll laugh when you do"; the joke being that a different Maer will lead him to the door under duress to have him open it for Bredon)

>>9774258
>Like that the Archive War (in which the shelving scheme is messed with every 20-50 years) is just cover for the Amyr to prune libraries all around the world

you mean it's just a cover for rothfuss to bitch about how people always edit his perfect wikipedia articles. because that's what that's really about.

>the rest of that

sounds like plot, something the books lack

ASoIAF has interesting things going on (ostensibly) in the background too, but it has a plot

not to mention that 90% of the time these speculations are dead wrong

>>9773234
can't believe I managed to get through 2 books of this trash, one of the few series I actually dropped

>>9773269
>invisible death chicken demon gods
Sounds pretty entertaining, I suppose I will have to read this series now.

>>9773795
nah, for one, the reason Malfoy is a bad character isn't poor motivation, its the fact that he never actually did anything, an antagonist whose best efforts are calling your friend a nigger is pretty lame. Ambrose actually causes problems for Kvothe

he has power and he uses it effectively to make Kvothe's life suck, they don't always work out or sometimes Kvothe finds ways around them but at least Ambrose is fucking doing something to menace Kvothe

as for why, its pretty simple and obvious, at first Ambrose just disliked Kvothe because Ambrose is a well-bred noble and Kvothe is a filthy gypsy. However as they fight more and Kvothe actually injures Ambrose both physically and his pride/reputation, Ambrose is given more and more personal reason to hate Kvothe and seek revenge

>>9774339
>nah, for one, the reason Malfoy is a bad character isn't poor motivation

you just made this up. yes, one of the reasons malfoy isn't great is because he's just mean to harry for no reason. just like ambrose with kvothe. characters who do things with no motivation aren't great, same as those who do nothing with no motivation

>as for why, its pretty simple and obvious, at first Ambrose just disliked Kvothe because Ambrose is a well-bred noble and Kvothe is a filthy gypsy. However as they fight more and Kvothe actually injures Ambrose both physically and his pride/reputation, Ambrose is given more and more personal reason to hate Kvothe and seek revenge

"pretty obvious", huh? sounds like headcanon to me.

What did you guys think of the new GoT episode?

>>9774362
>character development = headcanon

yeah ok guy, although honestly the story is told in a first person perspective, its Kvothe telling the story of his own life, so how exactly would he know Ambrose's motives, all he and we can do is infer them from what happened, but I guess reading into things is headcanon in your mind

you can disagree with me about Malfoy but that's my opinion, its not the lack of motive that makes Malfoy bad, its the fact that he never really does anything, can't be a real antagonist if you aren't a threat

>>9774366
Too much femnazism.

>>9774366
it gets a solid D

>What's your favorite sf book anon? :)

Where do I go to get short stories published? I don't really know the process to go through for this.

>>9774390
>yeah ok guy, although honestly the story is told in a first person perspective, its Kvothe telling the story of his own life, so how exactly would he know Ambrose's motives, all he and we can do is infer them from what happened, but I guess reading into things is headcanon in your mind

christ dude. just stop. it's easy to have an antagonist show their motives. have them act in a way conducive to them several times or state them aloud or confirm them aloud. something all good villains do.

that, instead of... uh... dunno, but i have this funny Jackass, Jackass song?

>you can disagree with me about Malfoy but that's my opinion, its not the lack of motive that makes Malfoy bad, its the fact that he never really does anything, can't be a real antagonist if you aren't a threat

your opinion is wrong. they both do, as i said. at best it makes ambrose a weak antagonist.

>>9774366
>>>/tv/

>someone replied to Name of the wind or /pol/ poster after a load of people have ignored them
>thread immediately revolves around them for 50+ posts

Every time, 80% sure they're replying to themselves to kick this off too

>>9774428
The era of the short story is over honestly. I'm sure some publisher would be interested in an anthology if you're a negroid or a woman though.

>>9774432
>stating motives aloud is good writing

yeah because nothing says good writing like people explaining shit, ever heard the term show don't tell?

its ok, you're just a retard who can't read something with even a tiny bit of complexity because if its not stated flat out you can't infer it

>>9768774
but I love pinecone's songs

>>9774280
See, that's the thing about the two books; only to a first time reader should it appear like they have no plot, when actually I only touched about 5% of the various details/connections that most miss. It's supposed to be a speculative fiction, you have to figure it out on your own, it's why we get to know how the story ends but not the details in the middle; the idea is to fill in the blanks and to figure out what questions you need to ask the material (IE: Who was behind the assassination of the Maer? Why did it happen? Who gains from it? Or: what is the Cthaeh's goal? Has it been achieved in Kvothe's current time? Why target these three specific people in history (Iax, Haliax, Kvothe)?).

>>9774450
>yeah because nothing says good writing like people explaining shit, ever heard the term show don't tell?

excuse me, where did i say spew an expository paragraph about their motives?

it's easy for the protagonist to think about the villain's motives. or say "was it because of X?" and have the villain ignore it, and leave it implied. the hero asks the question, and the villain ignores it, creating mystery (in a fairly stereotypical way)

or the villain can outright say:
>"join me, and together we can rule the galaxy as father and son"
or
>"listen, you fuckers, you screwheads. here is a man who would not take it anymore. a man who stood up against the scum, the cunts, the dogs, the filth, the shit. here is a man who stood up"
or
>"begbie didn't do drugs either. he just did people"

INSTEAD OF FUCKING NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTHING, YOU WITLING

once again, i'm not critiquing it not being stated, i'm critiquing the fact there's nothing there

>>9774414
d-d-d-d-desu?

>>9774497
>>9774450
and in fact i said "show" and "act" so i don't even think you know what "show don't tell" means

>>9774337
Oh it's entertaining if nothing else, it's like Ayn Rand was a buff guy and wrote fantasy novels.

I actually met Terry Goodkind a few years ago, he's really chilled out since SoT. He joked that his blood pressure used to be so high he could paint the ceiling red by getting a paper cut.

>>9774445
>being this wrong
Everyone and their mother is publishing short stories and anthologies. What you need is a name to smack on the cover, either your own shitty name (Sanderson for example) or someone famous (GRRM is editing anthologies like there's no tomorrow.).

>>9772649
Currently breezing through the Diamond age, loving it so far. I find it quite comfy, and with some of the brilliant narrative you can also find in the first chapters of Snow crash. Loved Anathema so much that i was expecting kind of a let down, but its too soon to judge. Superb writer imho, despite the hate he gets.
How's Cryptonomicon? What can i expect?

>>9774621
i'd be interested to know what you think of the ending of the Diamond Age. a lot of people thought it was disappointing, but I thought it fit perfectly, though it's been a while since I've read it.

What's The Best Sci-Fi that does not anthropomorphise alien cultures?

>>9774115
The bunnyman autism is silly, but it was a pretty good video. It was more than a rant on political writing, lots of fun history.

>>9774760
There are none, are you retarded? You are asking for a book written by humans; and in reality you would have no starting point for such a culture you retard.

>>9774760
Solaris. Hands down.
If you're looking for something more like an actual 'culture' of aliens I'd have to recommend the Sparrow by Mary Doria Russell.

>>9774236
>it's not scifi
Do you mean Ubik isn't scifi or PKD's exegesis isn't?
Since Valis is partly autobiographical and the ideas are mirrored in his exegesis I figured it wouldn't be too out of place here.

>>9774445
What do you lads think of the novella? I feel like it's making a decent comeback in genre.

>>9773073
It's easily the most straightforward one.

NEW THREAD

>>9775050
>>9775050
>>9775050

>>9774948
I mean the exegesis isn't scifi, sorry. Ubik is heavily referenced in the exegesis that's why I suggested it, VALIS is probably PKD's greatest work.

>>9771989
Little psycho kid gets stuffed into a robo-coffin by some eugenics monks. Bad things happen.

>>9768337
"WHAT AM I?"
*Camera turns to Akka
*que curb your enthusiasm music

>>9774362
>he's just mean to harry for no reason
He's mean to Harry because he rejected his offer of friendship in favor of a Weasley's, associated with mudbloods and half-giants, and ended up in Gryffindoor which is traditionally a rival to Slytherin.

I mean, Malfoy is still a crappy villain, but he and Harry have valid reasons for hating each other.

>>9774414
unironically book of the new sun desu

>>9774751
>but I thought it fit perfectly
Same here. It was absolutely fine, it's just that it was also very short and didn't have a traditional denouement, just like Snow Crash.
>>9774621
>How's Cryptonomicon? What can i expect?
Mad soldiers. Autistic savants. Entire passages explaining the superiority of STEM fields over humanities. An early idea of cryptocurrencies. And lots of cryptography. The book is like a computer nerd's wet dream.

>tfw the hardcover edition of Cryptonomicon that would go perfectly with my collection is out of print and costs 40 bucks on the second-hand market
I think I'll finally shell out the cash for it and Anathem next month. Collecting hardcovers is more addicting than crack.