/lit/ - Literature

Because they oppressed every other race for thousands of years. Some of the best literature, however is Arabic, and there is a lot of historical African literature.

>>9440364
Those other races must have been pretty crappy to let themselves get oppressed

>>9440364
How come the bulk of quality oppression and imperialist discipline was made by white males?

white males produce more faggots. it's just a very gay society so they have better lit and theatre since the greeks,

>>9440369
>implying the Ottomans didn't do a swell job at oppressing people up to a certain point

>>9440364
>some of the best literature is arabic
After white lit it's chinese lit, then indian lit, then jew lit.

>>9440364

Nah, being oppressed is good motivation to write and philosophize...

>>9440365
Maybe just not warlike.
>>9440369
The same reason their music sucks, no soul.

>>9440358
Because they have nothing else to do while Chad and Tyrone fucks girls

Because Western Culture has long been the highest bough on the branched tree of societal and cultural advancement, owing to a combination of geographical and coincidental deterministic factors. This, combined with the disadvantages to other cultures and societies stemming from the same factors, has lead in equal parts to exemplary progress in the West alongside relative exclusion from those rarer aesthetically significant works that have been produced by other societies/cultures.

As for the male/female split, this can be accounted for largely by the societal limitations on women throughout Western history (itself a factor that aided in the rapid development of many cultures by eliminating demand for parity among a larger population subset), as well as by the Skewed Bell Curve Phenomenon.

I don't mind /pol/ posting here, but why are your threads always so dumb and unimaginative?

>>9440375
>Nah, being oppressed is good motivation to write and philosophize...

Wew those 14 hours of slave labor was rough, guess I'll blow off some steam by writing a treatise on logic

>>9440373
It was just an empire built on the unification of the Islamic world. They faced more oppression from Europe than they ever gave out.

>>9440379
>geography and coincidences

Lol he fell for the geography and "coincidences" meme.

>>9440380
Your question should really answer itself

>>9440373
Oppressing Slavs and Greeks with Muslim Slavs and Greeks is pretty moot as far as empires go. Excellent administration and politicking, I guess.

>>9440383
This, all literary minds who claim to speak for the oppressed are just educated demagogues using sophistry to convince the layman.
This is as equally true of, say, Jefferson as it is of Marx.

>>9440383
>whites enslaved every human of every race for all history thus preventing everyone else from writing or achieving anything of merit

This is what lib profs are teaching kids these days

>>9440358
Whites are the most creative smart race. There are only two smart racial categories, East Asians and Europeans, and East Asians are the smarter of the two, but Europeans place more emphasis on individuality and original thought which allows them a superior aesthetic ability. Blacks, Latinos and most Arabs are of course too dumb to appreciate language and beauty

>>9440395
Thats a great beginners attempt at interpretating what that post implied, you'll go far in lit

>>9440383
If you're so smart, why don't you improve your life in any conceivable way?

>>9440386
To be clear (since I'm sure you're trying to bait some racial theory), I find little evidence to suggest that purely biological factors could explain the severe differences between different social and cultural groups - not least because society and culture exist independent of race or biological ancestry.

>>9440407
That's probably because you deliberately avoid evidence that will contradict your misinformed worldview

>>9440407
>society and culture exist independent of race or biological ancestry.
Kind of like how souls exist independently of bodies, or minds exist independently of brains? You must be pretty religious to believe that.

>>9440364

>For thousands of years

What

>>9440413
Or it's because IQ is an inherently flawed, nebulous means of measuring intellectual capacity (as it has long been criticized), and even if we accept it as a valid measurement it doesn't explain how some people end up in mudhuts while others end up with jet planes after thousands of years of development. The differences between the highest scorers and lowest scorers are not so great as to completely delineate people so strongly.

Over the course of a generation or even a few hundred years, sure, but there are so many greater factors at an extended time period and expanded population size

>>9440358
It wasn't.

t. the east

>>9440407
>not least because society and culture exist independent of race or biological ancestry.

Not /pol/ but this is empirically retarded

>>9440407

Biology/genes are 70% responsible for your IQ. I'm betting biology is similarly important when it comes to intellectual achievements in general.
And geography has to be tamed and adapted on purpose
Whites had to tame horses and domesticate dogs and clear cut forests and adapt to harsh winters...figure out efficient agriculture techniques...that in itself requires some sort of inherent intelligence...not to mention the bravery and ingenuity of traveling to new lands by foot or by boat.

To this day Africans are terrible farmers go research what happens with white farmers in south Africa

>>9440424
Macendonia, Rome, Byzantium, HRE.

>>9440385
>>9440391
what is the African slave trade?
what is the Barbary slave trade?

Ottomans were pretty based

>>9440444
>Italians and Greeks
>white

>>9440444

>Waging war is oppression

The persians attacked first btw.

Muslim invasion predates the crusades.

Won't bother with the rest

>>9440449
Nothing compared to the Atlantic slave trade.
>>9440452
>>>/pol/

>>9440454
/pol/ is as competent in history as it is in literature. What a shock!

>>9440455
Actually, it was several times larger at its peak than the Atlantic trade was at its, and it both started earlier and ended later.

>>9440459
> it was several times larger at its peak than the Atlantic trade was at its

Not being rude, do you have a source for this?

>>9440440
Whites didn't do most of that, you moron. We literally got 99% of our advancement from other cultures who had notable advantages, transferred them to us through cross contact, and then died off.
We are the most stable social/cultural group, certainly, but this isn't accounted for by IQ.
If we take the IQ argument, how the fuck do you explain the rise and fall of all those earlier, great civilizations and cultures? It's almost like war, famine, disease, etc. Plays a greater role in determining advancement than any number of individuals with high IQs.

>>9440457

Are you so historically illiterate that do you not know that the crusades came after the muslim invasion of Iberia, or that the Greco-Persian Wars came about after persian aggression in Ionia?

Not /pol/ btw, you fucking retard

>>9440461
Wikipedia

>>9440470

>We literally got 99% of our advancement from other cultures

Name one.

>>9440474
Imagine if this board had real moderation

>>9440461
Literally google it and find any source
1 million to 1.25 million white Christian Europeans were enslaved in North Africa, from the beginning of the 16th century to the middle of the 18th, by slave traders from Tunis, Algiers, and Tripoli alone (these numbers do not include the European people which were enslaved by Morocco and by other raiders and traders of the Mediterranean Sea coast) (Davis, Robert C. (2003). Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters: White Slavery in the Mediterranean, the Barbary Coast and Italy, 1500-1800. Palgrave Macmillan)

Sixteenth- and 17th-century customs statistics suggest that Istanbul's additional slave import from the Black Sea may have totaled around 2.5 million from 1450 to 1700.(The Cambridge World History of Slavery: Volume 3, AD 1420–AD 1804)

Not even getting into the Atlantic slave trade where whites were enablers more than anything else. Ottomans were based desu.

>>9440480
I assume my post would still remain, since it doesn't break any rules. Do your own research my man, we both made claims about the arab slave trade without much of a leg to stand on.

>>9440477
We got archery and horsetaming from the mongols
We got our dominant religions, which played a huge role in the development of our ethics and scientific systems, from the Romans and Jews

>>9440498
>we got horsetaming from the mongols

Proto-indo-european had vocabulary related to the domestication of horses. Whites hadn't even split from Indians at that point, our race was literally born with horsemanship.

>>9440498

The bow is one of the world's oldest weapon and was found in literally every culture on the planet. Are you stupid? Do you actually think the Greeks did not have bows? We even found crossbows in ancient greece around the same period it was invented in China.

>Horsetaming

>Doesn't know about the Thebean calvary

wew lad.

Roman culture is Western culture dumbass.

Christianity certainly originate from the middle-east, but we made it our own.

>>9440509
>>9440511
>falling for bait this obvious

So this is the power of /pol/...

>>9440358
>Literature
Because literature is largely a white thing and has never been taken seriously outside of religion. Very very few countries have a rich literary tradition and books aren't half as influential as we pretend they are. You couldn't name a nonreligious book that has the cultural influence or artistic merit of music or visual art. It's such a /pol/meme to force the idea that the merit of a culture is measured by their books. Nobody gives a shit about books. Before television, theatre was held above literature. Why don't you ask about plays? Probably because almost every culture and nation has prominent theatrical traditions and that doesn't bode well for your ideology. Why not poetry? Why not oral tradition? Because it doesn't accommodate your ideology. fact is that spending weeks alone writing hundreds of pages is kind of an autistic thing to do and most cultures don't produce people willing to do that in leiu of music/poetry/plays/oral storytelling that existed before literature.
>Philosophy
That's not true, we just live in a western culture where we study western thinkers. We didn't invent thinking.

>>9440509
>Whites hadn't even split from Indians at that point
>He still believes in literal Aryanism

>>9440531
Proto-indo-european is the well-established common language of the ancestors of most european peoples, several middle eastern peoples including the Iranians, and the peoples of the northern Indian subcontinent. Ask any linguist.

>>9440444
All of those literally only oppressed other whites and jews.

The reality is that most of Western philosophy comes either from Ancient Greece, or of which there multitudes of texts from other cultures which reach similar conclusions, or they are from Christian theology, which is comparative to the philosophies of Islam or Buddhism, or they come after the Renaissance, which is when the Europeans really started to dominate the world, technologically, politically and economically.

As far as the gender thing goes, women have generally been dissuaded from writing for most of history. Even my own mother was told as a child in the 60s that reading was a waste of time because she was just going to get married anyway,

I would reckon there are actually more notable female than male authors under 60 right now.

Women do tend to be less inclined to philosophy though. But women also tend to be practically minded, meaning they want security rather than esotericism. Go to any university first year phil. class and you'll see a much greater number of male students than female. Go to a second year class, and the female students will probably be only about 5-10%, and I think this ratio stays roughly the same through the philosophical progression from then on.

>>9440527
This.

>>9440571
Eh? So the Macedons conquering Egypt was against white people? Rome conquering Carthage was against white people? What the hell you smoking?

>>9440577

>Implying waging war is oppression

>Implying Perisa didn't conquer Egypt like 2-3 times before Macedonia
>Implying Carthage wasn't fighting the Greek territory in Italy for hundreds of years before the punic wars

wew

>>9440569
>Whites and Indians speak languages derived from Indo-European so that must mean their races are derived in the same way.

Language doesn't work like that. It isn't linear. Languages are often imposed on other groups either militarily or hegemonically.

>>9440477
Gunpowder/Guns
Sailing ships

>>9440586

>Ships

No.

>Gunpowder

Mostly yes, guns no.

Read Joanna Russ's How To Suppress Women's Writing, if you're actually looking for an answer

>>9440582
It actually works pretty well like that. Barring some of the more outstanding cases like the Roman Empire and the Islamic Caliphate, the imposition of a language is rarely widespread or permanent. But yes, sure, there was some grand white empire in 2000 BC that took over all of Harrappan civilization and imposed their language without ever themselves settling the region. And apparently I'm the /pol/ one.

>>9440569
lol. this is literal pseudo-science and thoroughly discredited as a way to predict common origin. ask any linguist.

>>9440605
I have, believe it or not. It's still pretty much the accepted theory. Just recently it was discovered that there was a relationship between some Siberian tribes and the Native American language group containing Navajo, which has been supported by haplogroup analysis. Bretty gool stuff iidssms

>>9440402
I should know better than to respond to bait, but:
>the appearance of genius valued above all else
You do realize that no less an authority than Nietzsche lays the blame for this almost entirely at the feet of that arch-Aryan, Wagner?

>>9440620
sure kid. the bering strait theory is also pseudo-science.

>>9440595
>Thinking being this reductive can in anyway be convincing.

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>>9440595
>It actually works pretty well like that. Barring some of the more outstanding cases like the Roman Empire and the Islamic Caliphate, the imposition of a language is rarely widespread or permanent

Why don't the Chinese speak a wider variety of languages? Why has Gaelic almost died out? Why are most Aboriginal Australians unable to speak their native tongues with the exception of one or two words? The same question goes for many native peoples.

No one can seriously believe that whites and Indians split off genetically at the same time that Indo-European did.

>>9440372
that's semites

>>9440577
Are you implying the romans were somehow more "white" than phoenicians?

>>9440588
>No.
>>Gunpowder
>Mostly yes, guns no.

Large sailing boats were influenced by technology from Muslim lands. Before that, Europeans were stroking away with heaps of people rowing.

Mongols possessed primitive guns before the Europeans, and of course, rockets. Its a common misconception that they didn't. The europeans did, however, improve them greatly

>>9440649
Hmmm

>>9440654
cherrypicking much?

I can also post a bust of hannibal if you like

>>9440626
Ok, glad you're here to tell us that the accepted theories are pseudo-science. Thanks my man.

P.s. it's called the dene-yeniseian language family
>>9440631
Check out the paper linked in this article. Published in PNAS, of all places: https://qz.com/336504/a-massive-data-dive-proves-that-languages-and-genes-evolve-together/
>>9440639
>Why don't the Chinese speak a wider variety of languages
They do. Most Chinese can't understand each other except through the highly systematized writing system. It's interesting, a phonetically written language with wide literacy like Greek has changed very little relative to the amount of time it's been around, whereas one like Chinese with logographs is hardly recognizable in its archaic form.

Aussies did a pretty good job, I'll admit. Here's a hint: civilizations capable of mass education are better at educating en masse. This was likely not the case for nomads in 2000BC.

Most linguists and geneticists do believe that the linguistic and genetic split were contemporaneous.

>>9440654
I just read the url at the bottom of your pic, I didn't realise I was being trolled

Well played m'lad

>>9440440
>Biology/genes are 70% responsible for your IQ.
>There are people in /lit/ right now that believe this.

>>9440374
>chinese lit

>>9440571
>I would reckon there are actually more notable female than male authors under 60 right now.

Name three

>>9440675
What do you think it is? 50/50? Tabula Rasa. Tell me why niggers adopted by White cucks are geniouses?

>>9440682
E.L. James
J.K. Rowling
Suzanne Collins

xd

>>9440684
Establish first a criteria of what this percentage signifies. Probability of predicting a persons IQ based on their race adjusted for background?
How is background adjusted?

>>9440511
>Roman culture is Western culture dumbass
Funny idea coming from someone who asserts that biological differences in races is the determining factor of the advancement of society. But yeah, the Romans and Greeks were totally ethnically white lmao

>>9440694
>Funny idea coming from someone who asserts that biological differences in races is the determining factor of the advancement of society. But yeah, the Romans and Greeks were totally ethnically white lmao

Why do you believe that Ancient Romans and Ancient Greeks weren't white?

>>9440639
Me again, just wanted to add that some dialects of Chinese have changed so much that, despite its being logographic, they have been forced to add locally-flavored phonetic markers in order to distinguish between certain words and words usages(!)

>>9440684
I won't give a number because that'd be making baseless claims and I'm not that retarded, but consider that if we used the same testing methods we use today for testing IQ on white people from the 1940s the average IQ would be 80, which by modern standards would be borderline retardation. If biology was as big of a factor as you claim it was, then I guess evolution works much faster than we know of, since there was such a strong change in an almost biological factor in the matter of like 70 years at most.
You must also consider the fact that the average IQ of japs raised fast af after they made some changes to their educational system and your whole "biology is the main affector of IQ" hypothesis crumbles easily.

>>9440358
they had a few millennia head start

>>9440698
brown as fuck my dude

Have you seen greeks/sicilians

Only northern italians have white skin

>>9440698
Those aren't Ancient Romans or Ancient Greeks.

There are a series of historically documented invasions of those lower regions of Italy, and the Ottoman conquest of Greece, which can explain why Greeks and Italians of today in particular regions have brown complexions.

This doesn't mean they were brown 2000 years ago though.

>>9440699
>Me again, just wanted to add that some dialects of Chinese have changed so much that, despite its being logographic, they have been forced to add locally-flavored phonetic markers in order to distinguish between certain words and words usages(!)

This doesn't really support your point. If anything, the opposite.

>>9440716
This was meant for :>>9440707

>>9440358
Because the bulk of the highest quality people are white males?

>>9440718
Sorry, you might have thought I'm the guy I quoted, but I meant that I'm this guy >>9440664
If you weren't mistaken, can I ask what makes you say that? Again, sorry for the lack of clarity.

>>9440716
>This doesn't mean they were brown 2000 years ago though.

Greeks literally looked down upon white guys, a pale skin was seen as an effeminate trait and therefore undesirable.
You're also leaving out the fact that the greeks in asia minor were mixed as fuck, and guess where pilosophy was invented m8, that's right, milesios.

>>9440716
I've honestly never cared about the skin colour of these people beyond just memeing about it

Really though it's not possible to live around the mediterranean and not eventually get brown skin so I find it highly unlikely that the greeks and romans really were white

>>9440705
>if we used the same testing methods we use today for testing IQ on white people from the 1940s the average IQ would be 80

And you don't think that's any indication towards the decrepit state of our education, demographics and general society. It's not surprising that a people who have moved from a literary society to a much more visual culture, hardly anybody had TVs in their homes during the 40s. Now you can literally bring a portable screen with you everywhere. It's not surprising that general intelligence has sunk. The relativity of IQ to modern Whites is not an argument debunking it's legitimacy. You are snarky about evolution and 70 years, but we are experiencing unprecedented change and the amount of stimulation, both audio and visual, will have surely affected the intelligence of our modern population. The fact that you do not consider this massive advancement in technology and the change it has brought about in society is telling of a narrow Weltanschauung. Your point about Japanese education is rather moot considering the education of the negro populations in the Americas and the African continent have varied and have yet to produce results akin to the Japanese. You must also consider the differences in studious cultures such as the Japanese, which will impact their success on standardized testing.

>>9440734
Reread what you quoted. It indicates that the average IQ has risen.

>>9440734
You're only backing up his point that ascertaining the contribution of genes to IQ is practically impossible

>>9440734
No african country has undergone the educational transformation Japan has

Also you're not addressing the fact that according to IQ tests we're supposed to be significantly smarter today than we were half a century ago, which is a stupid statement

>>9440734
>Your point about Japanese education is rather moot considering the education of the negro populations in the Americas and the African continent have varied and have yet to produce results akin to the Japanese.

Nigga, are you retarded? The education most poor people on america receive is absolute dumpster tier, and don't even get me started on Africa, you dumbfuck.

>>9440753
>>9440751
Well there must be a reason for that my boy?

>>9440742
I misread that statement, but that seems rather ludicrous. How would you even measure such a thing?

>>9440750
Clearly it's not impossible because it's evidenced everywhere. The most prosperous and sane societies are European or East Asian being highly influenced by European peoples (South Korea and Japan being the only two I would count since other East Asian countries are verifiable hell holes: see Singapore) Meanwhile Africa and South America, along with most of Asia and Arabia are insane relative to European prosperity. Their genes must have something to do with it no? Has 8 years of occupation in Iraq turned them into a peaceful democracy?

>>9440768
Someone ban this idiot.

>>9440768
>the most (...) sane societies

Do you ever accidently read your own posts and think "what kind of dumb ass wrote this?"

>>9440768

you don't think colonization, imperialism, and consistent political manipulation by the world's intelligence agencies has had anything to do with it? I mean genes play a factor sure but more advanced societies pillage less advanced societies in the game of resource scarcity -- that's sure to have a marked effect on development.

>>9440768
>Well there must be a reason for that my boy?
Slavery, obviously.

>I misread that statement, but that seems rather ludicrous. How would you even measure such a thing?
Comparing today's IQ tests to old tests and comparing results, god job not adressing the point I was trying to make senpai.

>>9440768
>Well there must be a reason for that my boy?
Yes, poverty and widespread government corruption.

>>9440768
White people are afraid of us. That's why they oppress us.

>>9440775
>>9440771
Nice retorts faggits, but I'd rather live in clown-world with Masturbatoreums and Orgy domes than in some African hell hole or the Capitalist nightmares that are East Asia. Try me you worthless Europunks, don't fucking type what you wouldn't say to my face you low-T niglet, I'd fucking stomp you.

>>9440780
I think colonization had dramatic affects, but decolonization was probably equally as harmful, especially since the governments that were left in place were unstable and built on European conceptions of the time, having little to do with the local cultures that preceded European intervention. However colonization can't explain how sub-Saharan Africans never invented the wheel or have a complete lack of written histories. Their cultures are certainly strange, just reading about the accounts of the Xhosa people who destroyed their crops in anticipation of a miracle will show you that. But how much of that culture is determined by genetics, not just general IQ, but the everything on the inside.

>>9440783
>Comparing today's IQ tests to old tests and comparing results, god job not adressing the point I was trying to make senpai.

Your point is taking an average from a time when education was not available to the average "White person" (needs clarification, do you mean American? White Europeans?) However education itself was clearly better, with segregation, and lack of diversity clouding the mind space.

>>9440785
But why are they poor and corrupt? because they're niggers lad.

>>9440802
>Your point is taking an average from a time when education was not available to the average "White person"
The United States achieved universal education long before IQ tests were invented. Jesus anon, just look up the Flynn effect and stop making everyone else do your legwork for you.

>>9440358
>Western literature quality by western parameters
Wew lad

>>9440802
>Try me you worthless Europunks, don't fucking type what you wouldn't say to my face you low-T niglet, I'd fucking stomp you.

>>9440805
>But why are they poor and corrupt?

History of colonial fuck-uppery, artificially drawn nations. Enforced centralised styles of governments on traditionally tribal cultures. Lack of arable land. Being without a strong and lasting tradition of stable, uncorrupt institutions.

You do realise that there are white countries that are also poor, corrupt and comparatively bereft of decent literature, right? Most of our gleaming examples come from a handful of our wealthiest, most politically stable nations (France, UK, Germany, US).

There weren't any great examples of literature or philosophy from French region, UK, or Germany until the Roman empire imposed stable systems of non-tribal government and they had a few hundred years to do some book-learning.

>>9440808
Look at the literacy rates from then and now and tell me that universal education covered everyone by 100%. Either way your point doesn't negate that education can only do so much. Why has Whitey capped at 100 IQ, why do the Japs cap at 108?

>>9440827
https://nces.ed.gov/naal/lit_history.asp
Well hot diggedy, looks like white people have had negligible illiteracy since shortly after the war, which is the starting point for most studies of the Flynn effect. Seriously dude, you have the internet too.

>>9440827
Holy shit I should have read your post more carefully. Whitey doesn't cap at 100 you fucking idiot, 100 is the definitional average for a population. As in they score it raw, then set the average score to 100 and determine the others by a set statistical distribution. They figure out comparisons to the past by giving modern people the old tests. Why the hell are you trying to have a debate about IQ when you basically don't even know what it is?

>>9440817
> Most of our gleaming examples come from a handful of our wealthiest, most politically stable nations (France, UK, Germany, US).

None of those countries was politically stable and wealthy for a long period of time. One was barely conceived 230 odd years ago and endured a civil war hardly 100 years after conception. Civil war was also present in UK and France. Germany itself has gone several incarnations, and this current one doesn't resemble anything that existed 300 years ago, or even 73 years ago. War, poverty, corruption, all of these things were present in European history and yet greatness rose from them.

>>9440837
>>9440842
How about you suck a fat nigger dick you snide little faggot, and shove that IQ test up your ass. Even IF and it's a big IF, these people had the same intelligence, and my interactions with them do not support such a ludicrous claim, it doesn't mean their backwards cultures sustain anything of value.

>>9440380
this ...

I come here from /pol/ for other stuff and they post the dumbest shit on /lit/.. Some of /pol/ really have nothing but muh white skin to be proud of desu it's sad...

>guys turner diaries is a classic..
>mein kamf is brilliant piece of literature..

staph with this pleb tier garbage thread ...

>>9440846
Lol, back to /pol/ with you. I'm sure they'll be much nicer to you about your aggressive ignorance as long as it's still racist.

>>9440853
desu, I seem to be getting a lot of (You)s so I must be spicing up their lives enough to warrant such a response. I like to see how good I can debate about a topic without knowing what the fuck is going on. It took this guy >>9440864 like 4 replies before he figured out I just came into this conversation with no knowledge of how it started. I don't even know what position I'm arguing for except that nigs are dumb.

>>9440864
IQ is largely determined by your biology, tough luck man, but there just ain't nothing to do about it. Even the most educated nigs are half wits compared to some real intellects (see Obamas).

this thread has been shit from start to finish can we just let it be deleted

>>9440376
>not warlike
Yeah man arabs were not warlike, africans were not warlike, mongolians were not warlike, chinese were not warlike, fuck hiztoriez and shiet my negroid

>>9440874
>IQ is largely determined by your biology
explanation for flynn effect would be appreciated
or even just basic proof

>>9440884
I don't know enough about it, but I'd just say general education is probably to blame. Like you or somebody else said, you can just Google it and get several explanations for the phenomena. This doesn't mean that biology isn't highly determinant of intelligence. Just look at the difference in IQ of multiracial countries. Black Americans and White Americans have different IQ averages, despite receiving the same education. Blacks and Whites at the same schools score differently on average with Whites exceeding Black scores. It is what it is man.

>>9440817
>artificially drawn nations
Why is this a problem? Multiculturalism is good.

>>9440902
>correlation is causation
Ok well I'm gonna stop feeding (You)s now but I hope you learn a bit more about science and abandon this IQ bullshit before talking about genetics

>>9440913
Excuse me famalam, but I'd like to have you defend your position, I've defended mine. Being flippantly dismissive is no way for a man to argue, prove to me that there's a reason for the American Blacks having lower intelligence than American Whites? Correlation is not Causation, but it surely makes you think, no?

>>9440386
Evolution itself relies on coincidences. Funny how racial determinists forget that bit when they put up their pseudo-scientific facade.

>>9440925
>denies niggers are dumber than non-niggers
>Y-you're the pseudo-science
lel

>>9440921
All races have good attributes. Blacks are strong and athletic, Asians are smart, and whites are... nothing special.

>>9440364
WE.

>>9440930
Kek

>>9440928
Who the hell said that? The point is that denying the role of geography AND coincidences is completely nonsensical.

>>9440942
Well shit nigger, why didn't you just say so, instead of crafting that gay strawman.

>>9440921
IQ simply doesn't measure intelligence for the following reasons:
1. It was developed for detecting retardation in children, not brilliance
2. It does not properly define what intelligence is, other than success at IQ tests
3. IQ tests have nothing scientific to do with them, it's all founded on studies

Those are the best reasons, as for blacks and whites scoring differently that's just because IQ tests measure very specific things, and also because intelligence includes a wide array of things

Asians for example do brilliantly at IQ tests, but lack flexibility and creativeness which is why I personally don't think asians would make good scientists unlike whites
They have the mathematical ability, but lack reflection and critical thinking skills

Though this is personal opinion, the fact is IQ is a load of shit so who scores better than who on it really isn't relevant at all

>>9440955
Intelligence is recognising patterns and applying them logically, they're quite clear on that. That's why we can test animals under the same conditions.

>>9440966
You'd need quite a lot of mental gymnastics to make definition explain the brilliance of philosophers and mathematicians

>>9440955
>Those are the best reasons, as for blacks and whites scoring differently that's just because IQ tests measure very specific things, and also because intelligence includes a wide array of things

This doesn't account for various spacial reasoning skills and other standardized testing specifically to measure abilities in say math, language proficiency and other quantifiable data. Surely a /pol/ack has brought up the ability for younger European children to recognize themselves in a mirror well before African children. I agree with you about Asians, despite the heated rhetoric I don't really hate anybody (except Somalis, god damn, I hate Somalis), we just ought to limit immigration to those compatible with Western society, meaning those from similar ethnic, religious, and cultural backgrounds. Such things don't strike me as too demanding.

>>9440632
>the west never had done anything shitty
sure bro

>>9440971
Stop conflating the scientific definition with the colloquial definition.

>>9440980
Totes off topics, but good goddamn do I love me some videos of Somali pirates getting BTFO by the Russian navy. hehe

>>9440698
>called nordic whites barbaric
>THE GREEKS AND ROMANS WERE WHITE GUYS

>>9440995
>implying there's a scientific definition of intelligence
Social "sciences" do not count

>>9440981
It's the current year bro, you should put down the Tiger cock soup and quit genociding pandas for your sex juice.

>>9440998
I'll have to look that up.

>>9441006
I'm not implying it, I'm stating it. You're a fool.

>>9440358
Ask yourself this:

Are manga made by white males?
No.

Thus your premise is factually incorrect.

>>9440369
This literally isn't true though, White men have never represented the majority of slaveholders on earth, by what barometer is the bulk of
>quality oppression
made by white males?

I don't know why Germanic Europeans have a reputation from bellicosity, perhaps because they've historically been the best at war?.. Like all other intellectual pursuits?

I remember reading that of the 10 deadliest conflicts in human history, 5 were Chinese civil wars.

>>9441027
>Like all other intellectual pursuits?
Nice bait, I almost fell for it.

>>9441024
source?

>>9441050
Gottfredson, Linda S. (1997). "Mainstream Science on Intelligence (editorial)"

>>9441093
>Gottfredson, Linda S. (1997). "Mainstream Science on Intelligence
wiki says signatories of that paper disagree on what intelligence is. beware any scientist claiming certainty.

>>9441121
That's the definition with which IQ tests are undertaken.

>>9441123
>He cites experts as describing intelligence as "the total intellectual repertoire of behavioral responses," "some general property or quality ... of the brain," "reaction-time and physiological measures," "many different information-processing abilities" and "the rate with which learning occurs or the time required for learning."

>>9440358
Funny you ask that actually, i've been doing a lot of reading on the social psychology of power in relation to human history. For me to relate the issue of political power and literature or "deep thought"in the beginnings of human civilization would take a lot of room and idek if people would even read it. So ill just do a tl;dr and if there is interest ill type out a full explanation of what i mean.

>tl;dr - Greece was the first democracy functioning well enough to allow higher education (comparatively speaking) to be a social norm.

>>9441166
interesting. what was Greece's differences from Egypt? I was lead to believe there was a lot of intellectual trading between the two.

>>9441093
>psychometrics
>science

>>9440364

At the time of European contact, Africa was already way behind in terms of civilizational development.

You can't blame that one on whitey.

>>9441373
Ancient Egypt anyone? Mali? Carthage? Ethiopia? Ignorant racist.

>>9441373
You can explain it more simply and convincingly by not attributing that to race though, considering Nubians and Ethopians (among others) had civilisations equal to Europeans in certain time periods.

>>9441377

Mali and Ethiopia were not as developed as Europe. Look at the picture I posted, were the Malians ever capable of building that? Neither Egypt or Carthage had much of a connection with Sub-Saharan Africa and it's disingenuous to cite them as an example of "African" civilizations. For one thing, they were Semites, and for another, they had more in common with Greece and Rome than they did with the Hottentots. We don't consider Leptis Magna to be an example of "African" architecture you dense cunt.

>>9440966
But that is arguably a fairly arbitrary (and quite frankly retardedly autistic) definition of intelligence.

>>9440694

But I never said that you fucking retard.

The Greeks and Romans were both ethnically white, and there is a mountain of evidence for it.

>>9440930
>Asians are smart

This really isn't true. The education practises of many Asian countries are terrible. Even Japanese tend to horribly ignorant in a lot of ways for a variety of cultural and institutional reasons.

>>9440904
>Why is this a problem? Multiculturalism is good.

That might be true under certain contexts, but it also often leads to civil war, as we saw in Yugoslavia and Africa.

>>9440846
>iod of time. One was barely conceived 230 odd years ago and endured a civil war hardly 100 years after conception. Civil war was also present in UK and France. Germany itself has gone several incarnations, and this current one doesn't resemble anything that existed 300 years ago, or even 73 years ago. War, poverty, corruption, all of these things were present in European history and yet greatness rose from them.

I wasn't talking about nations. I was talking about regions. Europe has a long history of fairly stable political systems and institutions, regardless of the odd civil war (which were often feudal wars, which were an inherent part of the system)

Most of sub-saharan Africa was tribally based before Europeans came along. They haven't had any traditions of stable institutions in the modern sense. Europe certainly did, and Europeans transposed those systems into places where they didn't really fit.

Even during civil wars, apart from the French Revolution, governments still functioned basically as they should during European crises, and after those crises, they already had a wealth of educated and experienced leaders who knew how to govern to resume governance.

>>9441434

I've heard that in China and Japan, when the kids are done school for the day they got on a bus and go to a cram school where they do more school. I've heard that the reason anime set in high schools are so popular is that Japanese people never really had a childhood, so they're vicariously living through these cartoons.

>>9441449
>I've heard that in China and Japan, when the kids are done school for the day they got on a bus and go to a cram school where they do more school. I've heard that the reason anime set in high schools are so popular is that Japanese people never really had a childhood, so they're vicariously living through these cartoons

This is true, but their education system involves simply cramming facts and formulas into the kids heads. They don't try to instil any form of individual thinking or creativity or teach the ability to learn, just information, dense and hard information. It makes their societies less innovative, and inherently status quo.

>>9440876
European culture IS arguably more warlike than at least Chinese, but probably Arabs too.

Mongolians are warlike as fuck, but nomadic. Arabs had a religion that stunted them and no need to extend naval and political technology to access restricted trade nodes like the Europeans did. Sub saharan africans = tribal too. Their geography lends itself to tribalism/nomadism. The land isn't arable enough.

Notice, that compared to the other groups, Europeans and Mongolian's are way more into sports. The more warlike your culture, the more you prize sportsmanship and physical competition. Chinese are bureaucratic nerds.

>>9441437
They just needed more opportunities to bond and share culture. Hate is born of ignorance.
>>9441429
Why? It is the basis of all learning, from recognising threats, to the application of formulae.

>>9441478
>Why? It is the basis of all learning, from recognising threats, to the application of formulae.

What about reaction time, ability to synthsize concepts, or physical learning (as in muscle memory and spatial skills)? Social expressiveness (ie, does this involve learning patterns or is it an innate ability?)

>>9441478

According to anthropologists, societies that have a lot of intermarriage and trading contacts are MORE likely to go to war, not less. Contact leads to quarrels, quarrels lead to fighting, fighting leads to war, and so on. The most peaceful tribes in history lived in complete isolation from other humans, and were usually the descendants of refugees who had fled into barren, inhospitable terrain where they would not be pursued. I'm talking like an ice sheet in Greenland, if you want world peace go live there.

>>9441507
But multiculturalism makes the world more peaceful. We need diversity.

>>9441502
Do you mean motor skills? Intelligence is about thinking, not acting. It's about knowing what to do, not doing it.

>>9441571
>motor skills
Motor skills and muscle memory.

>Intelligence is about thinking, not acting

How do you measure 'thinking'? By observing someone's actions.

Motor skills are determined by cranial ability. If you're slow and clumsy, you're arguable stupid in a way.

>>9441507
>Contact leads to quarrels

Obviously if you are completely separate from any one else, it will be impossible to fight. That isn't really practical for most societies though.

>>9441580
>motor intelligence

no.

>>9441605
It is clearly a type of intelligence which helps solve problems etc etc.

>>9441616
Intelligence is a linguistic construct related to cognitive functions. Like, y'know intellect n shit. I can see how motor skills could be seen as a form of intelligence, but know. Strategizing your motor skills consciously as to fulfil a certain function is a cognitive activity. Motor ability has nothing to do with intelligence. Stop obfuscating words. It's bad enough as it is.

>>9441622
>Motor ability has nothing to do with intelligence

Physical learning indeed has a lot to do with intelligence. It a subcognitive process.

We deem babies who learn to walk earlier to be more intelligent. Intelligence as a word doesn't simply apply to conceptual, abstract, conscious thought.

>>9441626
you're doing it again. Physical learning has a lot to do with intelligence in that you have to filter that information cognitively and structure it accordingly so as to acquire those physical skills to the best of your ability. Still a cognitive process, sorry. Being intelligent certainly helps in acquiring physical skills, but it is very far down the list of requirements.

>>9441632
>Physical learning has a lot to do with intelligence in that you have to filter that information cognitively and structure it accordingly so as to acquire those physical skills to the best of your ability. Still a cognitive process, sorry.

Source?

Also this isn't the argument. The argument is about intelligence solely being the recognition of patterns and their application, which seems like a reductive and silly definition which is out of step with both the way we treat intelligence and how we colloquially understand the word.

>>9441641
> the recognition of patterns and their application

no, it has to do with whatever object is part of the set of cognitive ability. motor skills themselves are not such an object.

>>9441663

>>9440966
>Intelligence is recognising patterns and applying them logically, they're quite clear on that. That's why we can test animals under the same conditions.

>>9440364
we wuz writers and shiet

>>9440372
sand niggers and curry niggers are way more gay than white people

>>9440364
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2vdwu9/did_subsaharan_africans_ever_invent_the_wheel_on/
>niggers hadn't even invented the wheel until whitey colonized them
>muh oppression

>>9441583

>That isn't really practical for most societies though.

Which is why nearly every society has known war. War likely predates homo sapiens itself, because early hominins are known to have used spears and stone handaxes. The theory is that warfare evolved out of hunting, as the techniques of hunting and primitive warfare are pretty much the same.

Even chimpanzees have war, after a fashion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War

>>9441697
>unironically advocating for isolationist tribalism because of muh pseudo-natural fallacy

wew laddy

>>9441693
>>niggers hadn't even invented the wheel until whitey colonized them
Why would they invent the wheel if they didn't have horses?

>>9441669
If you think that's a contradiction you are an idiot.

>>9441705

>>9441707
>If you think that's a contradiction you are an idiot.
I think you're doing some circular reasoning.

Something being of the set of cognitive reasoning =! intelligence is solely the recognition of patterns.

>>9441704

No, I'm not "advocating" anything. I just think that war is inevitable and it's silly to expect humans to live in peace with each other. Europeans developed a system of international law (i.e. the Westphalia System) that reduced the frequency and extent of war, but that's about as good as it gets.

>>9440642
>>9441673
>not knowing how gay lit is
>faggots who don't read trying to recover
>on suicide watch b/c books hurt them

>>9441710
Yeah. I'm sure tribal societies need that thing.

Only feudal peasants are going to feel compelled to lug around heavy shit and break their backs using one of those.

>>9441719

>Ah Gee wizz, if only there was some easier way to transport my shit around. . .

>>9441727
Sub-saharan Africa had no horses until Europeans arrived you half-wit.

>>9440358
because white males worry about the existential crisis, and not about social issues like oppression and privilege. its more universal and less preachy

>>9441730

>>9441743
Zebras aren't domesticated animals. You can't just hop and them and go for a ride. They will flip out and do whatever they want. Otherwise you'd see more zebras being used as utility animals now.

>>9441730

I'm not a half wit, that's very rude of you and it actually hurts my feelings a little bit. I should like an apology.

>>9441748
S-sorry.

>>9441751

It's okay.

>>9441747
>Zebras aren't domesticated animals.

neither were wild horses or wild dogs originally, they had to be bred a certain way over generations. Wild Horses were domesticated in the Ukraine area over 6000 years ago.

That's the thing about whites they change their environments, they change the flaura and fauna to benefit them. They carve out the land, they figure stuff out. While africans just shrugged their shoulders and played in the mud since the beginning of time.

>>9440372
Niggers actually produce the most gay people by statistics

>>9440376
Classical music is the most soulful genre on the planet, while jazz is the most soulless wankfest all centered around impressing other musicians while sounding like a garbled mess

>>9441757
Your assertions are historically ignorant and ideologically motivated, not accounting for geography, arability of land, economic factors of Europe, the fact that most of Europe was an underdeveloped tribal backwater before Ancient Greece and after the collapse of Rome until the Renaissance (which was just all about rediscovering Ancient Greece and coincided with finding the Americas)

Not to mention that savannah peoples can quite easily get by with a comfortable tribal existence and feudal development would be impractical.

Not to mention that there were areas in sub-saharan Africa with cities and centralised government.

I think it has more to do with the fact that sub-saharan societies were not agrarian.

>>9440930
>Asians are smart
They're actually pretty dumb. Ever met a Westernised Asian before? They're some of the dumbest and autistic people you can encounter.

>>9440930
>blacks are strong and athletic
Ah yes, that's why whites dominate 95% of all sports and there's not even a single good black strongman competitor
Blacks are only good at sports requiring explosiveness like sprinting and basketball, and they absolutely suck at everything else

>>9440358

White males have historically have had the easiest access to education and to means of publication