/lit/ - Literature

>>9438704
possibly diogenes, but Kierkegaard is my personal favorite

Yea.

>>9438719
nihilists fuck off, you have never thought deeper into an argument on God than the top layer "muh hes not omnipotent got em'"

>>9438742
>Nietzsche
>nihilist
What about you stop posting meme philosophers and do some actual reading?

>>9438749
Fuck, now that anon will come and write extremely long posts about why Nietzsche is nihilist while telling you that you're a shallow thinker.

>>9438742
>Nietzsche
>Nihilist
Nietzsche was existentialist, he invented it apart from the arguments that Kierkegaard invented it, but it doesn't matter who did or didn't.

>>9438719
>tfw i'll never be 17 again

tfw you're working through his 10,000 page personal journals. How could a mortal man write so much and with so much insight?

My personal theory was that he was abducted by aliens and lived a secret life as a terrorist traveling around Europe.

no

>>9438742
>nihlists fuck off
>while posting nihilist (kierkegaard)

>>9438925
Can you stop mixing up nihilism and existentialism you brainlet?

>>9438704
why duidn't it work out /lit/?

Where should I start with him?

pls

>>9438945
She got uppity and told him he was marrying him only out of pity. This enraged Soren who was actually a bit of a dark triad personality. He could never be with her after that. He had too much pride.

is Sorryen and Frederico considered dark enlightenment?

>>9438749
>>9438818
He was an active Nihilist.
still a nihilist

Is it just me or is he only considered the best because how much 'play' he allows in his philosophy. Like Nietzsche and Socrates, he is celebrated for effectively deferring the question.

>>9439026
Where'd you read this? I always though Kierk just wanted to stay pure

>>9439864
Dialogue is the most honest philosophical mode, that is if it's a true dialogue (cf Schopenhauer)

>>9438749
>nietzsche wasn't a nihilist

Love this meme. It was supposed to stop retarded interpretations, but then became a retarded interpretation itself because the retards just flock to this instead.

It's a highly reductive view of Nietzsche

>>9439879
How unsatisfying is that? What are we supposed to do with this Hegelian infinityzing, celebrate who can best express to what degree we'll never figure things out?

>>9439899
It doesn't have much to do with Hegel. The benefit is that the reader is permitted to draw his own conclusions, engage with the text without being dominated by system. Indirect communication may be inconclusive but that does not make it less true

>>9438749
>doesn't believe in free will
>existentialist
hmm

>>9439887
I mean would you say that N. is at least a moral nihilist? Or is life-affirmation a positive ethics?

>>9439905
How is this a contradiction

Yup.

>>9439904
By hegelian I mean dialectical, synthesizing into oblivion, no end in sight. Kierk is celebrated because in true christian fashion, he suffers existence assiduously. That's not an answer, its deferral. I'm speaking about philosophy and his contribution to it as a whole, not how the individual interacts with it.

>>9439929
I'm having trouble understanding this post. I think Kierkegaard does offer an "answer" of sorts but maybe you disagree. Who would you say is a more satisfying philosopher in that respect?

>>9439949
Have you even read Soren like at all? I read excerpts from his Journals and the first bit of Either/Or, had to return it to the library but from the wiki page, his philosophizing was in direct response TO HEGEL so it has very much to do with him.

Hegel worked to reconcile reason and faith, which soren was pretty "sore" about because if on one hand you acknowledge that man by the will of god has a flawed and incomplete knowledge, why would you even bother to understand anything via reason, enter faith.

This "faith" amounts to nothing more than a deferral of an answer, substituting it for a "eventually we'll get to the end of it". Which is satisfying to existential philosopher types like you and I because it presents a meta-answer of answerlessness. Which keeps people occupied for a little while but without "faith" the whole things falls apart.

>>9439991
The whole of his published work is essentially dialectical, he invents characters whos dynamic dialogue presents the questions, a back and forth to eternity.

Maybe an advanced Sorehead can bamboozle what Im saying here but to reiterate my point,

we celebrate philosophers who present a loose answerlessness because after all the sweat and blood over answers, how could we possibly have them?

>>9439991
You are right that he is responding to Hegel but (and this is somewhat heterodox) I think he is more directly dealing with Schopenhauer's rationalistic pessimissm. At any rate my point is Kierkegaard responds to Hegel's systematic/authoritative style with a conversation between pseudonyms. Regarding your dissatisfaction with Kierkegaard's philosophy because of the centrality of faith, that's fine as far as at goes, but amounts I think to a garden variety kind of modern skepticism (however I have no way of knowing this). Faith is not a fact. You're saying you respond to existentialism, so I have to ask do you think any other existentialist provides an ultimately satisfactory answer?

>Protestants
>good philosophers

My man from Hippo blows Captain Kierk out of the water.

>>9440038
>Augustine
>not pagan

>>9440036
Soren Kierkegaard has provided an ultimately satisfactory answer, that faith is at the top and bottom of it all. I can recognize that this is true and still not have faith however, which I suppose is satisfactory in the same way biting a bullet is.

Yesterday," Peterson said to the television audience, "in the typewriter in front of the Olivetti showroom on Fifth Avenue, I found a recipe for Ten Ingredient Soup that included a stone from a toad's head. And while I stood there marveling a nice old lady pasted on the elbow of my best Haspel suit a little blue sticker reading THIS INDIVIDUAL IS A PART OF THE COMMUNIST CONSPIRACY FOR GLOBAL DOMINATION OG THE ENTIRE GLOBE. Coming home I passed a sign that said in ten-foot letters COWARD SHOES and heard a man singing "Golden earrings" in a horrible voice, and last night i dreamed there was a shoot- out at our house on Meat Street and my mother shoved me in a closet to get me out of the line of fire." The emcee waved at the floor manager to turn Peterson off, but Peterson kept talking. "In this kind of world," Peterson said, "absurd if you will, possibilities nevertheless proliferate and escalate all around us and there are opportunities for beginning again. I am a minor artist and my dealer won't even display my work if he can help it but minor is as minor does and lightning may strike even yet. Don't be reconciled. Turn off your television sets," Peterson said, "cash in your life insurance, indulge in a mindless optimism. Visit girls at dusk. Play the guitar. How can you be alienated without first having been connected? Think back and remember how it was." A man on the floor in front of Peterson was waving a piece of cardboard on which something threatening was written but Peterson ignored him and concentrated on the camera with the little red light. The little red light jumped from camera to camera in an attempt to throw him off balance but Peterson was too smart for it and followed wherever it went. "My mother was a royal virgin," Peterson said, "and my father a shower of gold. My childhood was pastoral and energetic and rich in experiences which developed my character. As a young man I was noble in reason, infinite in faculty, in form express and admirable, and in apprehension �" Peterson went on and on and although he was, in a sense, lying, in a sense he was not.

>>9440041
Augustine left the Manicheism, but the Manicheism didn't leave Augustine.

He was just a faggy and lazy Hegel.

>>9438950
this
also is philosophy or existentialism knowledge needed to start with him?

>>9439026
its in his diary

>>9439899

If you want to 'figure things out' by reading texts that serve up determinate propositions, go study a hard science or just go read more Kantian philosophy. Why you are on /lit/ is beyond me.

>>9440209
sounds like that's not the only thing that's "beyond you"

>>9438704
yes.

>>9438704
I'm partial towards Schopenhauer. I think the answer for how to cope with life lies in a pessimistic buddhism rather than christianity.

>>9440484
He was known to eat quite well and have passionless romances

what are some "must reads" from him to get started?
pls no bully

>>9440894
Fear and Trembling and Either/Or

>>9439026
that doesn't really sound sociopathic thou. that is just a really mean thing to say to someone especially the person you are supposed to love and start a family with.

>>9440636
Kierk was fucking scared to death of Schopenhauer and relied on charges of hypocrisy to cope

>>9438891
Are these separate from his writings translated for Princeton press by Hong? Are the journals in print?

Why is this DSL-looking sickly faggot gets so much love while muh nigga Newman is virtually unknown? He actually provided a reasonable foundation for theology and faith instead of DUDE JUST LEAP BRO

>>9441457
They're translated by Hong and split up into volumes alphabetized by topic. Volume 4 or 6 is autobiographical I can't remember.

>>9441407
Are you sure? I thought this was common knowledge not something Soren cooked up...

>>9438891
Where'd you get your hands on those?
I had a professor mention the once but he said he got them as a gift