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9425433 No.9425433 [Reply] [Original]

What's the essential stoicism reading list beyond Meditations

>> No.9425435

Medications

>> No.9425441

Seneca

>> No.9425443

Enchiridion, and the bible.

>> No.9425447

>>9425433
Epictetus

>> No.9425453

Classical wise, +1 for Enchiridion, and Seneca's work - I particularly I enjoyed of peace of mind and the letters to Lucillius.

As a modern look on stoicism, I liked "A Guide to the Good Life" by William Irvine
Now I don;t like to shamelessly self-promote on the chan, but I literally released an app for android phones to read classical stoic texts two days ago, so you might want to check that out. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.leoncvlt.stoico&hl=en_GB

>> No.9425455

>>9425433
if you want to know more about the founding of stoic philosophy, try to find anything you can on Cynicism passed own from Diogenes to crates to Zeno, who eventually established stoicism.

Fun fact, Diogenes of Sinope was the original shitposter.

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>>9425443
>ask for stoic /lit/
>some dumbass recommends the bible

>> No.9425481

>>9425458
The bible is a compilation of stoic and eastern philosophy.

>> No.9425514

>>9425481
What does Satan, the afterlife and striking down the infidel where you see him have to do with stoicism?

>> No.9425515

>>9425433
Seneca's Letters
Epictetus' works

>> No.9425534

>>9425433
read buddhist shit, it's stoicism to the core

>> No.9425558

>>9425514
read ecclesiates

>> No.9426081

Stoicism is actual cuckoldry.

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>>9426081
Tell me more

>> No.9426127

>>9425514
>t. never read the Bible

>> No.9426464

>>9425433
Stoicism man is right.

Being robbed only lasts an instant compared to the burden that is worrying all your life about the possibility of being robbed or the fact that your were robbed once.

You should accept unfortunate evens like being killed or robbed naturally.

>> No.9426717

>>9425435
fuckin savage 100

>> No.9426727

>>9426091
He is a fucking attention whore, no need to tell more.

>> No.9426751

Start with the Cynics.

>> No.9426757

>>9426091

Not that guy, but Marcus Aurelius was an actual cuckold. Opium addict too. Real fucking easy to be stoic when you're high on morphia.

>> No.9426919

>>9426127
>Deuteronomy 13 and 17

>> No.9426928

>>9425435
this but unironically

>> No.9426950

>>9425514
Like the other anon said, Ecclesiastes contains a very Stoic outlook. More importantly, though, have you seriously gotten through life without hearing "But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also?" If that's not the perfect distillation of all Stoicism to a single quote, I don't know what is.

>> No.9426972

>>9426950
Just because the bible contains elements of what you could interpret as stoicism, doesn't mean it is a good source of teachings on that line of thought.

>> No.9426994

>>9426757

Never heard of this before, but it's interesting that the source that claims this of him is actually another contemporary statesman (Dio Cassius) who was alive and working at the same time as Aurelius. I would have thought that something like that would be a later invention, but it may well be true. Thonx for the info, famerino.

>> No.9427012

>>9426950
That's a misinterpretation. "Turn the other cheek instead of hitting back" more accurately translates to "Don't throw violence around like an idiot for whatever reason, dude might have even hit you unintentionally".

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>>9426751
Cynics are fags
>lol why don't you just live like a dog, anon
>nothing matters xd
Without Nietzsche's improvements to the philosophy of the Cynics, no one would even remember Diogenes.

>> No.9427018

>>9426972
Yeah, it doesn't necessarily mean that. But it doesn't mean that it isn't true, and it is, so fucking read it.

>> No.9427050

>>9427012
t. didn't read the bible

>> No.9427079

>>9426972
Just because the Mein Kampf contains elements of what you could interpret as antisemitism, doesn't mean it is a good source of teachings on that line of thought.

>> No.9427085

>>9427015
>nietzsche the sick lonely crying beta junky
>improving upon the holy hound

>> No.9427093
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9427093

Anyone know some good books about St. Francis? From what little I know about him I guess he could be described as a Catholic Stoic.

>> No.9427100

>>9427093
More like a Catholic Cynic, St. Francis wasn't into hypocrite bullshit like 'it's okay to be rich j-just don't get attached to it guys' a la Seneca.

If you're not attached to your riches you do away with them to help the poor.

Rich people by definition are not virtuous.

>> No.9427107

>>9427079
The central message of the bible is worshiping god. Stoic teachings just so happen to be littered throughout; at no point is stoicism the focus.
You could have a 7000 page book with a single line saying "the jews should be eradicated for the good of the people" and it instantly becomes a great text on hatred because everything on that book will become associated with that line.
You're comparing apples and oranges.

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>>9427085
Nietzsche was never a junky
Nietzsche embodies the collective Western mind's next step of evolution simultaneously recognizing the intrinsic good of accepting/finding meaning, while also realizing that we shouldn't fear rejecting tradition if it means reaching a more compelling good or the good it once meant has become tyrannical.

Diogenes was nothing more than a try-hard pervert trying really hard to convince everyone that he really didn't even care about what they thought about him. plz notice me, edgelord.

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>>9427100
>giving money away to the poor just to dispose of your own wealth helps them
>rich people are not virtuous
>everyone must be poor and constantly searching for someone poorer than themselves so that they can give their possessions away
t. marxist pleb

>> No.9427167

>>9427130
well monks produce or procure their own shit as much as possible, and this was indicated several times in the Bible to be the preferable way to live
if you have no need of trade you have no need of money

>> No.9427172

>>9427107
it's not just littered throughout, but OK.

>You could have a 7000 page book with a single line saying "the jews should be eradicated for the good of the people"...

the exact same reason why you should read the bible. It's much more than "worship God more pls".

>> No.9427255

>>9427100
Dude, if you think that St. Francis was anything like a Cynic, you either have no fucking idea what St. Francis was about, what Cynicism was about, or both.

>> No.9427391

>>9427167
>not realizing that those very same monks started most breweries in Germany and financed their monasteries' needs in things like paper, ink, and other things they couldn't just produce themselves.
No one is a fucking island. Not even the most ascetic isolated hermits live completely isolated from mankind by choice.
Fucking Henry David Thoreau had his mom do his laundry every other week when he wrote Walden.

>> No.9427419

>http://classics(dot)mit(dot)edu/Epictetus/epicench.html

So I googled the Enchiridion as per the recommendations ITT, and this is what I found. Is that really the whole text? It seems so short.

>> No.9427464

>>9426464
I interpret it differently but perhaps that doesn't make it stoic anymore: losing a purse isn't as bad as letting it escalate and getting killed.

>> No.9428629

>>9427172
I'm not saying it isn't worth reading. Nearly every religious text is, simply for the literary value of a writing capable of brainwashing millions of people. I just don't think the bible is as centered on stoicism as many people say. I haven't read much of it but what I have read was underwhelming.

>> No.9429637

>>9426950
Yes but stoicism is a concrete philosophy with its own history, metaphysics, epistemology, logic etc.

When someone asks for books from the stoic canon you don't just suggest random shit that can be interpreted as stoic.

>> No.9429661

>>9426727
> book of personal medidations is published centuries after his death
> attention whore

Not sure I'm following this train of thought or are you referring to something in his life?

>> No.9429667

>>9427130
Christ that image is horrendous. Is that guy a magician?

>> No.9429690

>>9426950
Ecclesiastes isn't stoic at all, if anything it's epicurean.

>> No.9429695

>>9427419
Yes, the Enchiridion is a short text written to help you remember stoic principles. Epicetus lays out his views in more detail in his other works.

>> No.9429707

>>9427093
>>9427100

Here is a good article on him from an Orthodox perspective

http://orthodoxinfo.com/praxis/francis_sarov.aspx

>> No.9430863

>>9427050

He's right, that verse is often misinterpreted.

Being struck on the right cheek refers to a 'backhanded slap' because no one would use their left hand to strike someone.

The verse tells us not to sperg out if someone insults or is rude to us, and we need to be above it by not caring.