/lit/ - Literature

Iliad.

I don't read that much, probably Heart of Darkness, but even that is very emotional and sentimental at times. I reckon it would be extremely difficult to write a manly book that's good.

The most masculine book is at the same the most unmasculine, since striving towards the spook of masculinity is roooted in insecurity.

>>9417568
>masculinity is whatever you want it to be, just be happy with who you are, that's le true masculinity
I've had enough of this meme.

Legends of the Fall

Blood Meridian

>>9417580
>With what you are
With what you WANT to be

>>9417568
This. See Mishima.

Sword Song, maybe Wolfhaund. I haven't been reading much.

>>9417544
my diary, desu

>>9417568
Agreed

/lit/ is the wrong place for that kind of question but
Moby Dick is pretty manly anon

>>9417544
>The book of 5 rings
>The art of war
>Achtung panzer
>On war
>The prince and other writings
Can I have my empire now plz?

>>9417748
>/lit/ is the wrong place for that kind of question
This, /lit/ is the gayest/most feminine board outside of maybe /lgbt/

>>9417558
/thread/

>>9417544
Old Man and the Sea

>>9417601

And still

if the mouse drowns himself in bleach
and the cat cannot eat him
has he not shown he's not a mouse?

>>9417857
i literally cried reading this

>>9417544

>>9417908
Maddox please go.

>>9417908
Maddox wrote a book on masculinity? That guy is the least masculine person I can imagine. Jaded cunt does not mean masculine, get it through your thick skulls already. I know so many guys who think they're the epitome of manly if they use foul language and are rude fucks.

>>9417927
>>9417937
for further reading

>>9417544
My diarrhea desu

>>9417937
He wrote that back in the 2000s when "fratire" was considered funny. Maddox is just a run of the mill pussy liberal now though.

>>9417947
I'm just amused that he thinks anyone would have posted that unironically.

>>9417959
Your reading comprehension is atrocious. Moron.

>>9417940
Slingblade?

>>9417588
Unending rape and murder is not inherently masculine

>>9417857
This m8

Honestly anything by memeingway

The Iliad
Sir Gawain and the Green Knight
Beautiful Losers
Meditations

>>9417791
Fuck Achilles, he was a coward and not a true warrior. Hector is, without a doubt, the true hero of the Iliad.

>>9417857
also this

Education of a Felon

>>9418007
>Hector is, without a doubt, the true hero of the Iliad.
this is true, but Achilles wasn't a coward, you are just butthurt

>>9417982
Under patriarchy, all piv sex is rape you shitlord.

>>9417982
It is masculinity before the female element is introduced.

>>9418055
Damn
I actually,unironically agree with this post and this image

>>9418055
Those first two paragraphs are very good and insightful, then anon goes complete retard in the last two and just sounds like any other autist.

>>9417544
Probably this or what anon said >>9417558

Apology of Socrates

>>9417544
war and peace

>>9418036
>the hero is who i like, not who actually functions as a hero
Fuck off.

Who is the hero of a Bildungsroman? The undeveloped boy or girl.
Watch E7, bookdork. You've been spooked into pseudointellectualism. Too much Russian trash and American trash.

Complete dialogues of Plato.

>>9417568
This meme would be more persuasive if it wasn't repeated ad nauseam by feminists and frail men.

>>9418071
yeah the word "cuckoldry" hurted my feelings too anon

>>9418621
It's not (just) that, that entire half is a buzzword salad.

The tropic of cancer/capricorn

>>9418579
>calls others out for pseudointellectualism
>doesn't even realize that both Hector and Achilles are the true hero and that's the whole point

>>9417568
I>NTERVIEWER

>This is perhaps another old horse that doesn’t need to be beaten any more, but you’ve been accused of being a “macho” writer. Anything more to say about that one?

>HARRISON

>All I have to say about that macho thing goes back to the idea that my characters aren’t from the urban dream-coasts. A man is not a foreman on a dam project because he wants to be macho. That’s his job, a job he’s evolved into. A man isn’t a pilot for that reason either—he’s fascinated by airplanes. A farmer wants to farm. But you know what it’s like here and up in the Upper Peninsula. This is where I grew up. How is it macho that I like to hunt and fish? I’ve been doing it since I was four.

>>9418642
No, Achilles functions as the hero. Hector is only the 'antagonist' in Homer's telling of the Trojan War. He's a plot device at worst and an 'anti-villian' at best.

Who is the Iliad about? Achilles. That is enough to make him the hero.
There are examples of two-sided stories where there are in-fact two heroes, who are eachother's antagonist. The Iliad is not an example of this.

>>9417568
>I've been mentally raped by my environment since childhood to instil all-pervasive self-doubt and now my only reaction to anything sincere is half-assed attempts at armchair psychoanalysis
STOP WATCHING PORN

>>9417544
the sea wolf
red harvest

both two great books by real men who did manly things and also wrote books

>>9418595
>frail men
I see you've totally missed the point. Either that, or refused to face the reality of it simply because it hurts your ego. Either way, this post is very ironic.

>>9417568
what does being insecure mean exactly? That you aren't happy with yourself? But what if being macho makes you happy and it's only when people tell you that you're being insecure that you don't feel happy anymore?

Insecure is just a dumb, stupid label that was invented to make people feel bad about themselves for being stereotypical" which is another stupid word because there is nothing wrong with being stereotypical as long as you do it well.

>>9421880
>That you aren't happy with yourself?
Insecurity != happiness. Insecurity is more closely associated with unease and uncertainty. Willing naivety is a good example of happiness + insecurity operating together.

Everything is a stupid dumb label, that's how language works friend. Without these labels you would be unable to convey what is inside your head.

>>9417544
House of Chains.

>>9421899
Your definition just makes it sound like an easily applied label that can be slapped onto anything, used to mock/defame it and then be easily defended to make them only look worse because if people say they aren't insecure, that makes them look more insecure.

Like if you label someone self-righteous, there's no way to defend themselves because any defense will only feed into that. Insecurity seems like the same thing. Plus, I don't think there's anything inherent about willing naivity and uneasiness. In some cases, being willing naive is probably if anything, a wise decision because you legitimately won't like the answer and can't effect it in any way.

This desu
((And not just because of the angry passages about women))

The Good Earth
Written by a woman, oddly enough

ITT: People pretending they aren't homosexual

>>9417580
That's not what he said though, you doofus.

>>9421880
> it's only when people tell you that you're being insecure that you don't feel happy anymore?
>Insecure is just a dumb, stupid label that was invented to make people feel bad about themselves
If being told you're insecure makes you unhappy, then you're insecure. It's like the old joke
>You're too sensitive.
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN SENSITIVE? HOW COULD YOU SAY THAT? ;_;

This book is a fuckin great dissection of masculinity. The most secure character is the guy with no fucking dick.

McCarthy's Blood Meridian

>>9418677
the book ends with Hector, he's the tragic hero you pleb

a farewell to arms

Taras Bulba

>>9417774
At least /lgbt/ posters get laid.

>>9425352
Just because you don't doesn't mean others don't either

>>9417544

>>9417544
Genesis.
>The Snake is phallos
>Women get conscious because they desire the better penis
>Women teach consciousness to men via sexual selection
>Men, as conscious beings start wearing clothes, because there is always a better man (penis)
>Women do the same
>Women hate wanting the penis, so they have a tsundere relationship

The snake is also the enchanter, the animal and all those things. It is multilayered. Or rather, it is fractal in nature.

>>9421880
>Insecure is just a dumb, stupid label that was invented to make people feel bad about themselves for being stereotypical

This is true, and conversely "empowered" is the word people use to make people feel good about making retarded decisions and choices in their life.

>>9425635
lol
masculine?
getting clowned by anderson silvaand the guy LITERALLY ran out of the ring - and then right out of the stadium.

I heard he was running while he wrote that book.

Starting Strength.

>>9421861
Why are you so emotional? Because I've pointed out your fragility? But isn't your fragility exactly what makes you more masculine (and therefore better) than everyone else?
You are so confused, dear anon.

Beowulf.

>>9417568
>implying the learned norms of masculinity are invalid & not worth clinging to
>implying the bravest act is flouting norms, not holding a line in war

Close to completely wrong, but you've stopped short of action. A man can admit fear, but he can't turn from it and remain a man. Masculinity would be lost. Try again.

>>9417544
Ulysses. Women have written books about violence, drunkenness, war, the untamed wilderness, etc., but no woman could ever produce a work like Ulysses. Nor do women seem to enjoy or understand it, at least not to the degree that men do. Virginia Woolf is a case in point.

>>9417568
Insecurity is the hallmark of masculinity

>>9427794
Exactly. It's what drives the best of us to greatness. Too much self-contentment leads to pathetic deviations, like obesity and obsessions with cartoon ponies.

>>9427808
He seemed to imply insecurity negates masculinity

>>9417940
I know several people who claim this, and his former to be their favourites

>Nobody has mentioned Herodotus' history
>Nobody has mentioned Xenophon's Anabasis
>Nobody has mentioned Pliny the elder's Natural History

what, are you fucking gay?

Musashi

Gilgamesh is manly
so is the The Three Musketeers

>>9422588
>a bunch of men being led into doing stupid shit because they all want to be some broad

>>9417568
whoa.... blew my FUCKING MIND dude..