/lit/ - Literature

THREAD QUESTION:

what are some scifi fantasy books with genuine, enjoyable warm moments, "comfy" if you will

>>9396146
Book of the New Sun
The Hobbit

First for The Wheel of Time.

Is the Bible required reading if you want to fully immerse yourself in the fantasy genre?

>>9396176
Not sure if troll or serious.

>>9396176
Genesis, Job, Wisdom, Gospels, Jonah, Jeremiah are necessary for creating a world. Enoch is a must for Sci-fi. Joshua is good if you want to read about bronze age.

>>9396182
Why would it be a troll post? A lot of the great authors of old took inspiration from it and their ideas are still passed down to new generations of writers

>>9396176
i think the sillmarillion and lord of the rings did it better tbqh

>>9396211
Only because Tolkien had the Bible and other ancient lore as a jumping off point. He didn't just pull all his ideas out of his ass.

Anyone familiar with Richard Paul Russo?

Got this book recommended as similar to Blindsight.

>>9396188
Is this legitimate advice? After discovering how much religious imagery Watts slyly packed into Echopraxia I've been intrigued about putting some religious references into my own work.

Has there ever been a comfier childhood novel series?

>>9396321
I don't give a shit Harry Potter was comfy as hell

>>9396321

>>9396146

>>9396321
That: >>9396325
and The Mortal Engines books.

>>9396329
>>9396321
These were fucking great

>>9396325
I read Potter out of peer pressure in my late twenties and while it obviously didn't have much of an effect on me, I can easily see how it would encapsulate the young and new to reading.

>>9396321
These weren't too bad

Is Clive Barker's Abarat books any good?

>>9396333
How are the mortal engine books? My gf is trying to get me to read em

>>9396371
readable

don't believe the hype from anyone who read them as a kid though, they won't live up to that

>>9396371
It was a fun world to dive into as a youth, and the worldbuilding is OK. It's good for what it is - a book for young teenagers.

>>9396371
>gf is trying to get me to read em
Fuck me don't go down this route
I've read so much shit she said she loved, the worst offender being Eragon

>>9396392
>Eragon
Up until I read the last book (or possibly the two last books) I was quite fond of the series. I simply was not well read enough in the genre to see its flaws until I was an adult.

Is Temeraire shit? I've fond memories of reading the first books as a teen but stopped reading after the fifth book was released.

>>9396433
>Temeraire
I read the first book relatively recently. It was OK but I didn't feel compelled to keep reading the series. It was better than Eragon though.

>>9396321
Narnia?

Thecla was to good for the world.

>>9396497
t. only read SotT

>>9396141
Saw someone call house of chains boring earlier today, thoughts?

>>9396541
>house of chains

I don't know who that is, but the google image results seem mediocre

>>9396330
this
Say what you will, but Discworld is pretty comfy

>>9396541
Was anything but boring tbqH.

>>9395941
Because he packs as much Christianity reference in them as possible.

>>9396369
>Clive Barker's
Don't read imajica. That is all.

>>9396541
>Karsa oorlong
>smaller than a horse
Person fucked up that art. He is supposed to be able to split witches apart on his spear. From what I understand he is bigger than a human.

>>9396662
And he has a giant fucking horse, you mong.

>>9396541
I found it boring, particularly going straight from books 2 and 3, which were not boring.

post book with cool settings you dont see often

Cortez did nothing btw

Short story collection. The final entry Becalmed in Hell was interesting. Spaceship as prosthetic for brain in a jar. The engines fail when floating in the Venusian atmosphere. Sole non-brainjar crewmember can't find the problem and is convinced the brainjar is having some kind of psychological difficulty.
Overall 2/5 dinosaurs.

Does anyone have a copy of After the King: Stories In Honor of J.R.R. Tolkien?
I'm trying to find an e book version of it, but can only find dead links.

Any great books about a little girl?

>>9396746
Matilda

She's a marry sue though

>>9396745
libgen bby

>>9396746
How little?
The lioness quarter did it for me.

>>9395957
Amazing, right up their with arifureta and dungeon seeker in terms of character.

>>9396151
I got all the way to book 11 but that was 4 years ago. I've always wanted to finish the series but I feel like I need to read it over again from the beginning otherwise the ending won't be as powerful since I won't remember the entire journey

>>9396784
>rereading WoT
>ever

Just read a summary and pick up where you left.

>>9396769
Thanks looks cool

>>9396759
Will check out

>>9396793
>Not rereading WoT

It's honestly better on subsequent readings, you get to pick up on all the stuff you missed, like Rand first manifesting his split personality near the beginning of book 1.

>>9396805
>reading through Perrin and Faile chapters a second time
I could barely get through it the first time

>>9396832
No you just skip those.

>>9396761
I've searched there but it didn't turn up any results. That's why I asked here.
Are you getting any?

>>9396880
not that guy but try this

http://forum.mobilism.org/viewtopic.php?f=1293&t=1388284

>>9396805
Way too many books on my to read list to go over endless shit like Malazan and WoT more than one time.

Just finished all of this series that's been released so far. Would recommend. Pretty much speed read the dry battle scenes though.

>>9396564
I fucking micrography

>>9396728
Do you have a goodreads? You should document your book reviews there.

Looking for some older sci-fi

It's about this hospital that travels the galaxy healing exotic aliens exotic diseases, but they're kind of like diplomats/peacemakers too

Any idea?

>>9396946
I don't have a memereads. Why do I need one?

>>9396953
Sounds like the Hospital Station series.

>>9396905
You ready, brother?

>>9396958
how about a google spreadsheet, just so we have all you dino ratings in one place

>>9396958
>Why do I need one?
Because threads here die. If you put so much effort into making into writing your reviews, it would be a waste not to document them.

Write your reviews there, copy paste here.

You can even start a tag as dino-core. Tag all your dino books as such. If I was still a NEET I would have made an account named dino-core, put in my "about" what you spewed about old books, then copied your post from here and post them there whenever you and donkey boy shared your books.

Not enjoy autism though. Sorry.

Ninefox Gambit is good when you get into it.

>>9396982
>>9396992
I suppose, but I only rate random garbage and my reviews are more like synopses.
>If you put so much effort into making into writing your reviews, it would be a waste not to document them.
Perhaps you are thinking of that other dino rater?
>You can even start a tag as dino-core. Tag all your dino books as such.
It's a thought, certainly. I like it here cause I'm real shy and the webs make me paranoid.

>>9396897
thanks man, how did you find this?

>>9397015
Just keep posting the reviews in the thread. I enjoy them.

>>9396992
There is more than one dino/old book reviewer in the midst, a Borgesian double, but it is a circumstance which is entirely wholesome and encouraging. Part of the idea was to get SFFG to talk about what they read by example; a simple thing, to type five or six sentences about a book. The other part was to organise my own thoughts about a book so that I could recall it better. As for posterity, I copy and paste them into a wordpad file, and sometimes these short reviews form the basis of a larger review on an obscure blog which I indulge myself with.

So I have no propriety over dinosaurs, it's something anybody can do and should consider doing as a simple exercise in organising their memories of a book they enjoy. And why limit to dinosaurs and old books? The fellow obsessed with little girl protagonists could adopt that measure.

>>9397023
either create an account at mobilism so you can search the site or just chuck the title you're after, the author and mobilism into a google search

>>9396651
Any reason why?

What are good Battletech books?

I've read Lethal Heritage and Natural Selection, both were well enjoyable but otherwise nothing special.

>>9397058
People read dinosaurs because they are a safe bet.

>>9396964
>and then he nukes everything and gives fallout zone survival tips like the 10 commandments
What a wild ride

>>9396151
Just started book 1 yesterday. Chapter 1 confirmed for maximum comfiness.

>tfw you will never have a mug of brown ale poured for you from an oak cask on top of which a yellow cat sleeps

Name a comfier series of books.

>>9397700
lotr is not comfy at all

>>9397717
Yes it is. Mainly Fellowship.

what are some "literally anime" books that are actually good?

>>9397743
The Faraway Paladin.

>>9397743
>what are some "literally anime" books
Well there i-
>that are actually good
No.

>>9397743
Dune

>>9397743
Anything by Brandon Sanderson. I enjoyed them for it but it's clearly some pretty ez reader Fantasy fiction, characters usually doing cool shit and ultimately winning over the baddies.

Also random anime tier shit if mystical talismans of short-time unlimited power and Mary Sues that also turn into idiots sometimes.

Has anyone here read Dichronauts (Greg Egan's latest book)?

The more I think about it, the more it seems that the hyperbolic spacetime he chooses to be the basis of the novel actually makes any nontrivial structure in the universe impossible. Still, it was an engaging read.

>>9397430
>telefragging the priestess

>>9397743
Hyperion
But only if by "actually good" you mean "incredible"

>>9397862
I like Egan's earlier work, but I found the clockwork rocket heavy going. Is Dichronauts as difficult as the orthogonal books?

>>9398025

In a deep sense Dichronauts is almost like a companion book to the Orthogonal trilogy. There he explored a universe with (+,+,+,+) metric, here he does it for (-,-,+,+). But the "look and feel" of Dichronauts is quite different, it almost reads like a light adventure, with the emphasis on the events and how the characters react to them. In Orthogonal, the main thread was about the characters gradually discovering the physics that governs their world, while here nature of their universe and the quirks related to it are mostly taken for granted by the characters, Egan just makes them enumerate and discuss them for our benefit. They are quite bewildering and possibly confusing at first if you don't understand the underlying trick, but everything is described quite vividly, so it's easy to imagine.

>>9396662
That's a Jhag horse, they're large enough to carry Toblakai and Jaghut.

>>9397815
I always come away from Sanderson feeling like it was a totally empty experience - like, there's some nifty locations and bits of magic, but it's not ABOUT anything. Wolfe is all about Catholicism, PKD is about paranoia, even Gaiman is about folklore and myth, but with Sanderson it just feels like slick Hollywood plotting and not much else.

What is the grimmest grimdark? Extra points for sci-fi not fantasy.

>>9398622
Sanderson is an unabashed genre author, not really a stylist or distinctive voice like Wolfe, Dick. He just wants to write about cool stuff and sell a lot of books. I wonder if he will continue in this manner for long; I recall the immense ambition of his to have over thirty books in an overarching series, which suggests that he will be plugging away for a long time. This course, though, is the road to burnout - so perhaps he will resort to new methods in order to blow off steam between these doorstopper sized books, and write an interminably oblique, indulgent, and really far out New Wave science fiction, a rollicking intergalactic tale with extensive drug use, explicit sex scenes, cat women, little girl protagonists, book ruining female warriors, and increasingly overt references to Mormon myth.

>>9397058
A lot of people here have goodreads accounts. They just don't post them in the thread.
I just though with seeing dinosaurs-as-measurements he would post them there to be documented and link back in here.

>>9398656
Blindsight and Echopraxia.

>>9397862
>>9398025
>>9398107
>In the universe containing Seth’s world, light cannot travel in all directions: there is a “dark cone” to the north and south.
What the fuck!
Colour me interested. Is this book worth reading?

>>9398686
>so perhaps he will resort to new methods in order to blow off steam between these doorstopper sized books, and write an interminably oblique, indulgent, and really far out New Wave science fiction, a rollicking intergalactic tale with extensive drug use, explicit sex scenes, cat women, little girl protagonists, book ruining female warriors, and increasingly overt references to Mormon myth.
I wish he would, really - that would seem to be the sort of thing fantasy is FOR, whereas I'm not convinced by the idea that crystal swords and realm maps are inherently interesting. Even Rothfuss, for all his bad qualities, made a weirdly meditative one-character novella about isolation and mental disturbance.

>SFFG cries out for a little girl protagonist
>Mark Lawrence actually goes and writes a little girl protagonist in his new trilogy
The madman

>>9397178
It's 800 pages of gender fluidity for a fat NOTHING at the end.

>all these new WoT readers praising how great and "comfy" it is
>can't wait to drink their nutritious tears
Waiting is always the hard part when you feast upon sorrows

>>9398922
Is it another sequel of broken empire, or something in a different world?

>>9399005
different world

still post apocalyptic tho

So I read this on /lit/'s recommendation, and HOLY FUCK you guys weren't memeing. Incredible start. The ending was pretty shit if you were to regard the piece on its own, but it's obvious you're supposed to read the entire thing.

BUT let's have some fun
>book you just read / are reading
>song that goes with it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NGQjRMXg28
Couldn't get this song out of my head once all the holy war shit started to get rolling.

>>9397815
He said good, my guy.

>>9399005
Completely different setting from Broken Empire, but same sorta quasi-scifi deal.

>>9399019
I'm still reading Red Sister but near as I can tell it's not post-apocalyptic earth, it's some inhospitable alien world seeded by humans and now only the ancient ship technology that brought them there is keeping the planet's glaciers from burying their civilization.

>>9399155
meh, still hits most of the 'fantasy in a post apocalyptic scenario' cliches, it's just set on a world other than earth for a change

>>9399183
>fantasy in a post apocalyptic scenario cliches

Which are what, precisely?

>>9399155
>>9399019
Once it isn't another Broken Empire / Red Queen rehash / palette change.

When I saw Red Queen (liars key) was a less funny broken empire with borrowings from BoTNS I couldn't continue with the series.

>>9396303
Its ok. I didn't hate it. Just nothing in it really popped.

>>9399077
>he enjoyed it
I bet you're a lover of 2 talent whores.
TUC WHEN???

>All these Bakker postings.
Scott is here promoting his book again I see.

>promoting your book to 49 posters

>>9399254
>When I saw Red Queen (liars key) was a less funny broken empire
The fuck? It's deliberately more humorous and less grimdark than Broken Empire. Jallan is a lot more likable than Jorg.

>>9399270
what's his deal? does he get bored writing about everyone getting cornholed by the evil alien inchoroi and sranc and decide that dicking around on 4chan helps him finish his bloated 2nd trilogy?

>>9399286
Every shekel counts

>>9399077
>>9399264
Can't wait for TUC to hit, just so we can finally confirm that Shaeönanra literally did nothing wrong.

>>9399286
I envy the people who actually manage to write a book at all. I've been sitting on this shitty idea for a year and a half now and I can't do anything. I can't write, I can't get rid of it, I can't come up with anything else. It consumes me and I hate it

>>9399389
I'm kinda like that. The hardest part about having an idea that keeps expanding in my head is dividing it into a beginning, middle, and end. To help with that, I write an outline of characters and events and tune it until I'm reasonably satisfied. If I try to keep revising it until it's "perfect", but I still keep adding to it, it'll never get done.

>>9399389
letting it consume you is the only way you are going to get anywhere. I don't mean sit and stare at a blank wall if you're stuck. mow the lawn, do the dishes or make some tea. some physical task that does not take much thought. that's what I find works really well for me.

take time for yourself

>>9399399
>399399

>>9399326
>Jallan is a lot more likable than Jorg
Oh. You're one of "those". *sniff*

>>9399385
>>9399264
>>9399077
If TUC doesn't deliver, I'll shave my fucking neckbeard and join the clergy.

what else might I like?

Ninefox Gambit going from incomprehensible to good to GOAT. I think the trick with this novel is to know what to look out for.

>>9396745
Yeah I have an old paperback
Not sellingit

Holy fuck Ninefox Gambit just keeps getting better and better.

>>9399914
It's a diverse book, which bits did you enjoy?

>>9398971
So it's just a comfy book then?

This book is proof you can write fantasy with fags and it NOT end up being a ham-fisted soapboxing.

>>9400479
Wasnt the author christian

>>9400531
He was, but he wasn't a preachy christian or a hardline christian. There's a gay male couple in that book and it's so subtle you could almost believe they're simply heterosexual best friends who decided to become roommates for life. Their gayness plays zero factor in their characterization or their story; aside from the fact they obviously love each other.

>>9400531
Most christians don't give a shit about gay people, apart from a few fundamentalists.

>>9400479
David Gemmel is one of the worst fantasy authors I have ever read.

>>9400644
Nice try, reddit.

if you were to write your own fantasy novel, wich mythologies would you rip off?

I would say japanese mithology but I imagine weebs have exahusted that wheel

>>9400474
If you are a tumblfag who likes gender studies and the notion that a man with a penis can magically turn female and have a vagina at will by just thinking it(sometime without thinking it)... then sure. It's comfy for you and your ilk.

>>9400862
Japanese mythology has ass loads left to expand on.

I would grimderp the bible.

>jesus is an insane cultist and his christians are dangerous as fuck
>angels are like raid bosses, huge void creatures that slaughter towns
>jews are rat men that hide their true nature

Our main character is a roman legionnaire trying to make his way back from china.

>>9397700
B.B. - Wizard of Boland and Little Grey Men.

>>9400862
I told your ass last thread to borrow from the Africans.
Now fuck off and write instead of talking about it here. Fucking procrastinators.

>>9400719
Good one, tumblr.

>>9400875
>jews are rat men that hide their true nature
You guys just can't hide it huh? Even if your life depended upon it you were just too pill indoctrinated.

>>9400862
Capitalism and globalism

>>9400875
I'd read it

>>9400862
One of my favorite novels is Lord of Light, by Roger Zelazny. the setting is a colonized planet where certain primary crew members have used technology to become the Hindu Pantheon and set society up as the Indian caste system.

Protagonist is self-stylized Buddha who doesn't believe in what he preaches and just wants revenge on the individuals who wronged him.

It doesn't get technology heavy, it's more just "these gods have immortal super human bodies and weapons that are indistinguishable from mythology"

>>9399370
>book includes a ton of cuckery, intellectual mind control, superiority of intellect, buggery, and religious parallels

He's clearly our guy

>>9400902
Kill yourself already.

>>9399019
>>9399155
Is it any better than his previous stuff?

>>9398622
Yeah it's pretty empty. He's still pretty young though, and seeing how the mistborn progressed from "heist hijinks with magic" to "religious" I think he has potential for something a little more complex.

The last book with the stones/blades/armor seemed super rushed at the end and cheesey like he wanted to check off his last few boxes in one short chapter instead of evolving the ideas across the book.

>>9400868
That honestly sounds like an amusing premise and I don't care about gender politics and studies.

>>9401039
>gets triggered when I called him out for starting shit
Pol-kun. Why come here when you know you're not wanted? Your kind is despised by everyone else on this site, except pollers themselves.

4chan isn't a safe space for you, only pol is.

/pol/ makes up like half of any board
not even the same guy btw

>>9401167
The original guy you responded too here, I honestly had no political intentions behind it but jews at the time were sneaky thieves who murdered the son of god.

If you're ripping off the mythos that's what you have to go with.

>>9401167
The second guy you responded to here, I'm getting tired of this one mongoloid screeching /pol/ at every "problematic" post with the same reaction picture as if he's been on the site since the election season, since everyone ignoring you doesn't work I am going to tell you to fucking kill yourself every single time now.

>>9401174
That's because /pol/ is neo-/b/ and it's now a gateway to the rest of 4chan.

>tfw I'm about to kill my beloved duo side characters

Its just makes so much sense to move the plot along, but it hurts.

>>9401342
Could just make them handicapped or terribly ill. It's a bitter mercy.

>>9401342
you must kill your darlings - Faulkner

>>9401252
>as if he's been on the site since the election season
Actually I was here since 07... You behave like those newfags who think 4chan is stormfront 2.0.
Not because people ignore your racist slurs and pol-postings all these years means they accept it.

And you are the polcunt who gets triggered every time I post it. Fuck off to pol. We got rid of your brethren, why do you insist on staying?

>>9401179
Yea I get that. Just pol sneaking wedges into lit convos has been going on for years, and they are getting better at it recently.

>>9401490
>Just pol sneaking wedges into lit convos has been going on for years, and they are getting better at it recently.

you can't stop an idea whose time has come

>>9401490
As >>9401256 said, /pol/ is just the new gateway board like /b/ was several years ago. It gets all the attention from places outside of 4chan, so people who come here are likely to check out /pol/ first, and when they decide to go to other boards, they bring /pol/ behavior with them.

The only way to get it to do a hard stop is to boost another board into being the gateway board.

>>9401566
No matter what board becomes the gateway board the filth will always spill over to the other boards because people come to 4chan to be an asshole. There is no ideal solution to people just being pricks.

>>9400402
the overall message senpai

what's your /sffg/ origin story?

>be little kid playing tf2
>watching tf2 shit on YouTube
>type "tf-" into YouTube search bar
>"tf transformations" comes up
>think maybe team fortress 1 had like kick-ass character transformations or whatever
>end up getting a transformation/transgender fetish after watch all these videos of men turning into women
>eventually wind up on /d/
>save something on the family computer and they end up finding it but don't really read it too much
>they just ask what "tf" is, and what 4chan is (they new I went on the website from predictive search)
>somehow wing it and show them /tg/ and pretend im into D&D and stuff
>dad used to be a fantasy fan and gets me his LotR and first GoT book
>eventually read Dune

they rest is history

>>9401887
I just found out about the fantasy genre as a kid in the 90's when playing Hero Quest. Later I was informed about that the LOTR was a thing so I watched the Ralph Bakshi movie and later got into the book. I remember thinking that once I got to Frodo and Sam part of the Two Towers I thought it was the most boring thing ever because I was 12. So naturally I dropped it. Later I got into Warhammer and I didn't branch out from that for a lot of years. After getting sick of Warhammer I got curious about the stuff they obviously ripped off and I found it to be a lot more interesting.

Finished Solaris by Lem today. Enjoyed it. What other 'first contact' books do you recommend?

>>9401887
>>end up getting a transformation/transgender fetish after watch all these videos of men turning into women
degenerate

>>what's your /sffg/ origin story?
>watch Nania series as a kid
>see LOTR as a kid
>see Star Wars as a kid
>figure I need to start reading when I'm ~17
>need muh escapism but space exploration leaves me nostalgic for an age I'll never experience
>end up with Night Angel because easy to read
>start ASOIAF when the show was announced

they rest is history

>>9401887
As many of my generation, I watched The first Harry Potter movie in the cinema as a kid, I wanted more and read the books. Having exhausted the then available supply of those books I looked at what else interesting I found on the fantasy/science fiction shelves in the youth section of the library. Stuff like Terry Pratchett and some classic sci-fi, The Time Ships made an impression on me for example at that age.
Interestingly, Ringworld was in the youth section, despite all the sex in it.

What's a good start for getting into sci-fi?

Just finished Claw, about to keep going with Sword.
Are there any good discussions somewhere about Shadow and Claw, or should I wait until I finish with the Sword and Citadel to read about these books?

>>9401490
>Not because people ignore your racist slurs and pol-postings all these years means they accept it.

How delusional can you get. And this is the first time I replied, because obviously your retarded derailing into /pol/ discussion annoys multiple people while only one obnoxious retard feels the need to derail every slur into a /pol/ discussion as searching your shitty reaction image on the archive proves. Always the same pollie expression too that no one else uses ever. I don't care if you're lying or are really a total retard who has been getting triggered here for the past decade every day of their life but you need to kill yourself either way.

>>9402211
Depends what kind of sci-fi you prefer. If you like aliens and space mystery Rendezvus with Rama by Arthur C. Clarke is pretty solid.

>>9402246
>Depends what kind of sci-fi you prefer.
Dunno, I quite liked Mass Effect, maybe something about humanity trying to fit into a galactic community?

>>9401968
Blindsight

Only good modern scifi book we talk about

>>9402295
The Fire Upon the Deep is alright

>>9396141
Is there at least one modern fantasy piece that is not cut into a LE FANTASY EPIC OF GALAXY PROPORTIONS 100500 TOMES OF PURE FANTASY GREATNESS
Where in the first 1000 pages book the hero farts. Then in the second he burps. And by the fifth book he will finally leave his house and we will learn that the book has actual plot.
I mean give some contemporary self-contained fantasy novel that is not turned into and endless money-milking saga.

>>9396303
Really liked Blindsight, never heard of this. Keep us posted anon.

>>9402233
Its one big book. Don't read anything til you're done. And if you really want to get it reread it. Like Severian suggests at the end.

Any good sci-fi horror books? pls nothing involving robots, robots are literally the least-scary thing on earth

>Just got finished reading Malazan Book 1
>People actually recommend this shit

This first book should have been two books, and each of those books should have been edited down a thousand pages.

>Reading Promise of Blood
>"Wow, this kind of feels like Sanderson"
>Author was Sanderson's student

>>9396321
I loved these so much

>>9402489
You're done with one the worst part of the series.

It gets much better from now on (but some of the books are still extremely bloated though)

>>9402504
This is a portent of things to come, the mass arrival of SF&F books written by Mormons taught under Sanderson at BYU, all written in his mould.

>>9402295
Then you might enjoy Rendezvus with Rama as a kind of prequel of that. It's about humanities first contact with extraterrestrial technology and life.

>>9402489
I sometimes feel like I'm the only one who enjoyed the first book.

Night of Knives was more difficult to get through imho.

>>9402561
Finally, something Mormons are good at besides designing handguns and losing wars.

>>9402504
Why would you ever read something written by someone that looks like this?

>>9402483
>>9402328

>>9402361
That's what I liked about Elantris. Beginning, middle and end in one volume.

>>9402504
Sanderson's teacher, Dave Wolverton, also reads like Sanderson in some ways

>>9402295
>something about humanity trying to fit into a galactic community
Undying Mercenaries by BV Larson.

>>9401887
I was 7 years old when the first Harry Potter was released. My mother bought and read it for me, when third book was released I started reading it myself and while I waited for the 4th I started reading other fantasy.

>>9401887
My first fantasy book was something by Tamora Pierce which my mom had sitting around. I read it and thought it was cool, but the fact that I read like the second to last book in the series threw me off for the rest of my reading career, I became used to coming into fantasy stories halfway through and figuring out wtf had happened before through context.

Then I found David Gemmel's Legend, which I read like twenty times. Then I found the full Robert E. Howard Conan collection in my dad's library, which was an entire room full of antique books and first editions. He kept all those above child's reach, but the lower level stuff was all just books he had picked up at some point, and those were good enough for me.

Conan stuck with me. Made me want to be a writer. Unfortunately I was a terrible writer when I was younger, I still cringe when reading my own material. I wrote a lot but never well. Now I'm going on 30 and I think I have enough experience to actually do the job well.

>>9402245
>How delusional can you get.
>everyone on 4chan is racist edgy who likes to scream black slurs daily
This board should be more like /his/. They btfo you guys on a regular basis and have the data to back it up.

> derail every slur into a /pol/ discussion as searching your shitty reaction image on the archive proves.
Pol posting misleading data again. A lot of those are you people coming in these threads crying about black authors and black protagonist everywhere. Don't read the books if you don't want to see it. You have a choice. You choose to read books by black authors to get triggered and come here to cry about it.
We have no choice with regards to your polpostings though.

The only people getting triggered by that image is pol-posters. It wouldn't matter to you otherwise if you were not.
Do people get triggered when someone posts a pepe? Posts a spurdo? A gondola?
What about pedobear? efg? wojak? These are/were posted hundreds of times a day over the years. Did people get triggered when it was posted? No they just ignored it, or joined in. The reason why it's bothering you and the other "first time I replier" is because you know you are pol, and you were halted before you could progress any further.

If we didn't call you guys out at the slightest sign, this general would have been pol run by now. Myself and other level headed anons have been here from the get go and pol has tried multiple times to take the general. so excuse me if I'm a little defensive.

Either way you and "the other guy" need to off yourselves for the betterment of society. I'm here to discuss sff.

>>9403021
Plenty of people here are from /pol/. I am, for example. I'm the poster right above you. Most of us aren't here for a fight, what you're dealing with is a shitposter.

The shitposter does not have actual beliefs, or if he does, they are compartmentalized. He has a desire to make you angry and provoke a reaction because it is funny. You are not going to "defeat" him by arguing with him, and /his/ didn't btfo anybody, they just became a shittier board until everyone except Stirnerposters left.

/tg/ is the only board to have successfully fought this battle, and we did it by ignoring shitposters. If you "call out" /pol/ at every opportunity you will turn your board into a battlefield, which will inevitably result in a flood of stormfags who see it as another fallow trolling ground.

>>9403036
/tg/ has its own set of internal problems instead.

>>9403021
>This board should be more like /his/. They btfo you guys on a regular basis and have the data to back it up.
Nice anecdote retard, I don't browse /his/. I opened it twice and saw multiple we wuz kangz threads so you're probably lying on this too like everything else.

>Pol posting misleading data again. A lot of those are you people coming in these threads crying about black authors and black protagonist everywhere. Don't read the books if you don't want to see it

What are you talking about you stupid fucking mongoloid? Are you actually retarded? Do you have a severe form of brain damage? You pop off on everyone and anyone, the poster above had some vague jew to rat comparison and you went on him because in your head he's this boogy monster who wants to hang all colored people and shitposts about black authors or whatever your insane schizo brain concocted. You're sick in the head and need a perma ban. Fucking retard. Nice paranoid tirade about /pol/ invading everything you love you paranoid insane retard, name one general or board that was "overrun with /pol/" in a way that it was not before. How you can claim you were here since 2007 and then cry about /pol/ which is relatively new ruining everything is beyond me, I don't give a fuck about /pol/, I don't talk about /pol/, I don't care about American politics, kill yourself shitposting retard.

>>9403049
Sure, there are still people who play 3.5, and GURPS is still brought up as the answer to every question, but one problem we don't have is a retarded culture war between LARPy ideologues. And we're literally the LARP board!

Learn from the guys whose hobby hasn't changed significantly since 1970, the best thing you can do is assume that everyone you are talking to has autism and engage with them, at most, in memes, otherwise you're going to end up in daily 120 post long-form greentext arguments like No Mutants Allowed used to.

>>9403080
GURPS do have some fine modules with recommendation of source materials such as literature and movies to draw inspiration from instead of pretending that they invented everything.

>>9403099
>pretending that they invented everything.
shitskin detected

>>9403036
>"call out" /pol/ at every opportunity you will turn your board into a battlefield, which will inevitably result in a flood of stormfags who see it as another fallow trolling ground.
I try not to. A lot of you pol guys keep your shit together. You even read books by non whites and discuss it, because you know it's fiction you are reading. But this guy that gets triggered by the photo has been posting about it triggering him for months now.

I'm sure he was the guy who started that big pol debate a few months ago (where the entire general was one big pol post), and prob got banned and his posts deleted for it his troubles. That is why my pic triggers him. I don't understand why it would bother him else wise. Unless he is autistic, that would explain a lot.

>>9402483
Metro 2033
Roadside Picnic
Books by Harlan Ellison
Hull Three zero
Someone/perons shilled those to me and I shill them back as much a possible.

>>9403121
You wish, and your post was the first one deleted in the chain you insane autist so that should say everything. And good job continuing to shitpost, I'm sure it will be tolerated forever.

>>9403121
>Harlan Ellison
what novels are especially good by him? also open to shorter shit

>>9401887
When I was 11 or so, my father suggested I read the Hobbit and the trilogy. So that got me into fantasy. A few years later, a friend recommended Asimov, and I ran through a lot of the classic sci-fi authors from that era.

But now, I dunno. It's been a while since I found an SF or fantasy work I could really get lost in.

>>9401887
>my dad used to read me Lester Del Rey novels before bed
that's it, actually

>>9403133
>all the posts were deleted
Thanks you based mods.

>good job continuing to shitpost, I'm sure it will be tolerated forever.
Can you please use a trip so I can filter you? I want to discuss sffg.

>>9401887
Was really into Xanth in 3rd grade because of my uncle Than randomly discovered Andre Norton sci-fi in my middle school library.
Still haven't read most of the 'classics'.

>>9403137
he's a short story dude
read "I Have No Mouth" and "Repent, Harlequin"
those are his two classics

>>9403137
Try this http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1231563.Voice_from_the_Edge_vol_1
It's handpicked stories that Ellison said were his best. Ignore Volume two.
Donkey boy did a post a few months back. Check the archive.

It's been almost a decade since I read this, but I remember it being pretty comfy. Did anyone else read this shit? It had some crazy concepts, especially towards the second book int he series.

>>9403192
looks very homosexual

>>9403080
What do you guys do in /tg/?
Is it only tabletop games? Do you code tabletop games?
I think that would be best so a retarded dungeon master can't change something on pedantic technicality.

>>9401887
>be me
>8th birthday
>cousin gives me pic related
>first proper book I read
>get hooked
>read the matching dollar-store editions of Journey to the Centre of the Earth, The Invisible Man, The War of the Worlds, Frankenstein, Jekyll and Hyde, etc
>still love 20,000 Leagues and anything with squid
Treasury of Illustrated Classics was the best shit.

>>9401887
I was a teenager in 1999, when I read Terry Pratchett's Discworld exclusively. My Mother would buy them from WH Smiths for me when we went to the nearest city centre on Saturdays. However, one weekend I saw a copy of Game Of Thrones on the shelves, and had my mum buy it just because I liked the cover (pictured, by Jim Burns) despite having never heard of George RR Martin. Well, A Game Of Thrones was an eye opener for a fourteen year old boy. I went on to order A Clash Of Kings from Amazon using the Sega Dreamcast online browser, because we had no computer and the local shops didn't have it.

These days I mostly read science fiction but I still have nostalgia for ASOIAF. This series was my first exposure to web fandom, where I would trawl message boards for fan theories and speculation.

>>9400862

>>9403156
You should filter yourself with a gun buddy.

>>9402798

I just realized something about The Dresden Files

Despite being name-dropped in every book prior to Changes and being described as a miracle-worker we never actually met Mike the mechanic.

Considering that magic-proof technology was confirmed to exist and it took nearly the entire series for dresden to realize Mac wasn't human, what do you think the odds are that Mike is some kind of supernatural being

>>9402489
If you're that much of a baby about it you won't last through the series.

>>9401887
Being into Anime/Manga and JRPG's at a young age due to my older sisters. I branched into Harry Potter when I saw my sister reading them and now I'm here.

He /sffg/ this may seem like an odd request, but do you know of nay children's books with lovecraftian themes?

Is Cugel the best fantasy character ever? Who is better?

>>9404202
"haha you can't read more than 1k pages of drivel such baby"
ok

>>9403203
I play degenesis, paint miniatures and atm that's pretty much it because I don't have time for anything else.
I don't even read fantasy anymore, just philosophy+law.

>>9401887
I only read books and watch anime and that's basically what I've been doing since I was six.

>tfw want to talk about Malazan but haven't finished all 86 books and don't want to be spoiled

How is The Expanse viewed among scifi fans? In terms of quality. Wondering if it gets better. I read a tiny bit of the first and found it really horrible. The prose and dialogue.

And the tv show has plenty of cheese, so I'm wondering if that's just the source material. I really like the setting though. If I skip to book 3/4/whatever is it better?

>>9404681
I've read a tiny bit found and shit and never watched the show and it's never mentioned here so it's probably shit

>>9404680
>tfw 150 pages left of TCG
>three ICE books left
>want to reread it all right away

Give me a quick rundown on picrelated

>>9404831
Couldn't finish it. Was pretty boring.

>>9404787
my man, it only gets better on the reread

>tfw still have to finish Fall of Light

>>9404831
Half of the series had a decent plot with good characters. The other half had awful plot with some decent characters.
I enjoyed it, tho the ending leaves a shit taste.

>>9405138
Fuck off faggot, stop being an asshole just because you didn't like it
You know what's a good ending? Your life, nigger

>>9405142

>>9405142

>>9404490
There's a Cugel chapter that ends with the towns people below chasing and shouting up at him with red faces as he floats away on a flying bed. They're all a variation on this, but this was so deliberately typical it was very funny at this point.. He's a prick, but he's also making his way in a world of murderers, monsters, thieves and scammers, and refusing to be a victim, so you root for him

>>9404681
It's pretty good. There was a time here when lots of people seemed to be reading it.

I don't remember anything about the prose or dialog, but the books don't get better as they go on. Book four is kind of a reset and I dropped after that. But the first three were fun.

I've never seen the show.

>>9405138
What was the good part?

>>9404831
>female special forces

>>9404681
It's held in high esteem over at r/scifi, if that tells you anything.

>>9403600
This post is comfy

>>9405459
Fuck off /pol/.

>>9405525
>you have to use /pol/ to laugh at female ""special" """"""forces""""""

>>9397215
Have you asked /btg/?

>>9403600
What scifi do you read these days? Given your (similar) good taste in youth.
I'm reading Riverworld right now, it's pretty good.

>>9401887
>be fetus, read to in womb
>born with insatiable lust for books
>get tired of waiting to be read to, learn to read
>weekly trips to public library
>into the big lizards
>what is biggest baddest lizards? Dragons
>learn how to use card catalog for sole purpose of finding all books with dragons
>no dragon books left, start reading from SFF section at random

>>9404681
Watched S1 and a bit of S2
>pretty exciting at times, but cheesy like you say and some glaring character inconsistencies or idiot plots (look it up)

Tried to get into book 2
It was not very well written, so I dropped it.

>>9396146
Senlin Ascends, comfiest book I've read in a long time, yet with some Kafkaesque undertones that nag at you.

>>9396321
Only kids series with graphic gore and death.
Also most imaginative stuff I've read without getting too abstract. I bought them all.

Ah, the memories

I love you Combiner

Which Rothfuss book had that one paragraph where the main character talks about how while his love interest might have been getting her brains fucked out by some guy on the side, but he had her heart?

Asked this before, but didn't get an answer.

Fa/tg/uy here, I was sent your way by a book thread on /tg/, I've written a Sci-fi and at the stage where I'm almost ready to throw it off to some agents.
How do you lot choose the books you buy? What cliches do you really hate? All that jazz.

>>9405822

Never mind, found it.

It's Name of the Wind.

Here's the paragraph in question:

>I have known her longer, my smile said. True, you have been inside the circle of her arms, tasted her mouth, felt the warmth of her, and that is something I have never had. But there is a part of her that is only for me. You cannot touch it, no matter how hard you might try. And after she has left you I will still be here, making her laugh. My light shining in her. I will still be here long after she has forgotten your name.

>>9405850
Spring for a real cover, not some terrible photoshop mashup. Catgirls always help.

>>9405850
Any chance you'd let some of us give it a read? Don't post it, people hate that. If you're game I'll give my e-mail

>>9405913
Well, I am looking for proof readers at the moment so sure, I'll throw the first couple of thousand words over if you're down to give feedback.

>>9405866
Top kek this is literally the "You may fuck her brains out, you may nut on her face, but if by the end I'm the ome cuddling her who wins?" pasta

>>9396321
Redwall.

>>9405931
hungarian shovelware@outlook.com

>>9405714
The best 20thC science fiction I have ever read is either Philip K. Dick's Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep, or Frederik Pohl's Gateway. I really like New Wave, though. Gene Wolfe's Book Of The New Sun is better than everything, and it straddles both SF and fantasy.

For pre-New Wave SF Leigh Brackett and her Mars stories are wonderful, sort of like crossing Star Wars with Dashiell Hammett, Robert Howard and Ray Chandler. A very interesting woman writer who went on to write scripts for Howard Hawks, George Lucas, and numerous TV (at a time when lots of pulp writers crossed over to script writing.)

Whose the grandaddy of pulp scifi? I would like alien worlds and laser guns.

>>9405995
What pasta was that?

>>9405866
Oh my god I didn't know that was from Rothfuss. That's hilarious

This book was amazing. The way it paralleled, poked fun of, and paid homage to classic children's fantasy was masterful and evocative. The main characters journey, first from hedonism, to action, to weariness, and finally to sacrifice are is told believably and with meaning. Some of the writing even directly matches with what you'd see in something like Narnia. Seriously, read the first couple of pages as it describes what happened in a previous book and observe how the sentence structure is similar to a series like Narnia explaining the same thing.

>>9406062
Sent, cheers mate. Look forward to your opinion.

>>9406135
Get off of lit George.

>>9399914
Gateway, Frederick Pohl

>>9406239
was garbage and dropped it

>>9406278
Excellent response

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYyQsSGm2po
what do we all think?
The only good thing I can think of is to give the books an actual fucking ending. Hopefully, all the shekels will inspire king to actually get off his worn old arse and write us an ending.

Are you ready for Wheel of Time by Sony?

Will zombie Jordan be the new GRRM?

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/wheel-of-time-tv-series-sony-1202390897/I

Bets on how much of a mess this will be?

>>9404524
Gardens of the Moon has well under 1000 pages, it's actually one of the shortest books in the whole series you big crybaby.

>>9406369
>TV series
It's going to be god awful. I doubt even HBO could give it the budget required to make it look not cheesy and stupid.

Reading Latro in the Mist right now.
Are you supposed to look up words and names every two pages? I'm not complaining desu. Shit's fun. Feels a bit like deciphering an ancient scroll.
Also pls post your best Gene Wolfe reaction images and memes for me, /sffg/.

>>9406393

>Are you supposed to look up words and names every two pages?

First time reading Wolfe?

>>9406442
No I've read most of the Solar cycle but it's different in the Soldier series.
The names actually refer to real places, people and mythical beings but are obscured because of the unreliable narrator not being a Greek native.
For example he calls the Spartans "rope makers" because he confuses the greek word for rope σπαρτον, or "sparton."
Toponymy is a big theme in the books.
In the Solar cycle Wolfe just uses old/obscure words. In the Soldier series there's acually a backstory to all the weird names.

>>9406442
>>9406469
Addind to this:
The different gods who appear aren't clear to the casual reader either (they weren't to me at least).
You have to have an understanding of Greek mythology and all the traits and sacred animals of the different gods.

>>9406369
Honest to the Creator, I'll eat my fedora if this turn out well.

>>9405142
>being an edgy racist outside /b/
Shiggy diggy

>>9405404
Anywhere before an Adare POV.

>>9405913
>Any chance you'd let some of us give it a read? Don't post it, people hate that.
>If you're game I'll give my e-mail
>I'll give my e-mail
>I won't sell your ideas to hollywood. I swear.

>>9406393
>Also pls post your best Gene Wolfe reaction images and memes for me, /sffg/.
Shhh. You will wake wordart macro anon.

>>9405404
Anything without adare prior to the third book. Third book is a rushed mess

>>9402910
I've only read "On my way to Paradise" but it really stuck with me. Did he write anything else besides star wars shit?

>>9406961
The first few Runelord books are good, particularly if you like Sandersonian magic systems. It fizzles out at some point, though. Curse of success.

I also read and liked The Golden Queen series. Orick is best bear.

>>9396303
I read that book years ago and the only thing I remember is really, intensely disliking it. That sticks out for me because it's the first time I actually hating a book. Maybe I should reread it to see if I remember why.

>>9407067
*the first time I remember actually hating a book

Which one of you guys are reading this book atm?

>>9407103
I picked it up a while ago but couldn't get into it. The problem I had was it felt like the author tipped his hand way too early and didn't build enough suspense or mystery around the world. I couldn't really care much about any of the characters either, just hopped around too fast from one to the other and they felt kinda interchangeable.

That's just what I remember from my impression though, is there any reason for me to pick it back up? I'm in a mood for giving it another chance if so.

>>9403192
I loved that and the sequel, not a fan of the last book.
I think it is a great gateway book for sff, I've used it a few of my friends because of the pace of the action.

>>9407128
s....Slick is that you?

What's a book that will make me enjoy reading again?

>>9407274
Book of the New Sun

I saw pic related recommended on /lit/ a while ago. It appears to be an 800 page crazy psychedelic novel, is there anything similar that the author wrote that's shorter so I can get a taste for it first?

>>9407274
Probably not a fantasy or sf book.

>>9407274
The Conspiracy Against the Human Race.

>>9407274
Big White Dicks in Catgirl Chicks

>>9407285
Delany's earlier novels are fairly short: Babel-17, Nova, The Einstein Intersection, Empire Star. Before writing Dhalgren he also wrote his best-known short stories.

>>9407285
Try pic related.

>>9407354
Thanks. Are they similar in style to Dhalgren? Are there any in particular you like?

>>9407363
>At the time it was written, no one would publish it due to its graphic descriptions of murder, child molestation, incest, coprophilia, coprophagia, urolagnia, anal-oral contact, necrophilia and rape.
T-thanks, Anon, but I don't think it's for me.

>>9407364
Dhalgren is fairly different from what he'd written previously, it's less plot-driven and the sf elements are more in the background. I'd rank Nova and The Einstein Intersection as my favourite of those I named. Also better than his other 60s novels, which are not bad for a writer in his early 20s, but not his best work.

>>9407347
That's not a real book anon.

>>9407410
They novelized the movie

>>9406393
>post your best Gene Wolfe reaction images and memes for me
This is an Easter egg gene wolfe. where is he?

>>9407316
it will either have to be that or nonfiction about science/ancient history

Personally I think realistic fiction is the most retarded waste of paper we have aside from phone books. Real life is tedious and fiction is falsehood. If it can neither entertain nor instruct then why did anyone bother to write it and why would anyone want to read it?

>>9407276
oh right, I forgot this place was an echochamber

>>9407371
Dhalgren isn't any different. That anon wasn't memeing you when it said it's similar to HOGG. Dhalgren has all of those things you quoted, only in less detail for the most part.

It also ends with a big fat NOTHING. Dhalgren is a waste of time.

>>9407274
>>9407432
What do you enjoy? From your post you make it sound as if you are a regular but haven't been in here a while.
Maybe you haven't seen my latest chart yet?

>>9407435
if this place hates them then they're probably worth reading, thanks

>>9407432
I only know fantasy, so how much fantasy have you read and what do you want out of it?

>>9407443
I'm a fantasy fan, and prefer to read about exotic settings (already read the windup girl) and tend to prefer characters who make more distinct, enjoyable personalities.

>>9407443
I'm a fantasy fan, and prefer to read about exotic settings (already read the windup girl) and characters with more distinct, enjoyable personalities.

>>9401887
Played Heroes of Might and Magic II as a kid, loved the whole elves, dwarves and dragons scenario, decided to look up more on it as I grew older and discovered Tolkien.

Can Bernard Cornwell's "Warlord Chronicles" be considered a historical fantasy book?

He is most known for his historical fiction, but in this book the magic is clearly real, though very low-key until the end, and it does has a role in the plot.

I ask because I finished it again for the 4th time, and I cried for the 4th time.

>>9401887
I'd always liked reading from a young age, loved dragons and knights and stuff. Harry Potter books came out when I was 11, I was the perfect age for them. Then I read the Hobbit when I was in 7th grade, recommended to me by my mom who loved Tolkien's stuff. I loved it and picked up LotR and that pretty much began my life-long obsession with high fantasy. Major turning points were probably picking up A A Song of Ice and Fire in my sophomore year of high school (around 2005 or so), and then Wheel of Time during college (I wanna say around 2010). I also picked up Malazan Book of the Fallen at that time, but I only recently finished it cause I burned out on reading fantasy in my last year of college. Only in the last 2 years did I pick up reading fantasy again, and that's also when I discovered /sffg/ since I'd long avoided /lit/ due to its pretentiousness, despite being a regular on 4chan since 2007.

And now I post here all the time.

how do I teach myself to like to read again. Everything I pick up I end up having a fleeting interest in at best and outright disregard the rest of the time

>>9407902
maybe pick a new hobby if reading is such a chore

>>9407435
>Avoid Tolkien
>Avoid Vance
>Avoid Gray Mouser
lol?

>>9407902
I find that most books I start I have to muddle through the first 100 pages or so but after that I can't put it down.

>>9408017
I've lost interest in all my hobbies. I used to love them but none of them mean anything anymore. I just don't care

>>9408040
I often drop books more than half way through. I just can't be arsed to care because either nothing happens or it gets to a part I don't care for

>>9408047
you unironically sound depressed mate

I'd suggest talking to someone about it, preferably a professional

>>9408047
>I often drop books more than half way through. I just can't be arsed to care because either nothing happens or it gets to a part I don't care for
Then i'd say keep reading anyway. If you were doing nothing in the first place, and don't care about what you're presently doing, then it shouldn't make a difference except you have the chance of getting some enjoyment out of it at the end.

>>9407578
>but in this book the magic is clearly real
I disagree. I've read the series probably 4 or 5 times and the "magic" could all be considered coincidental. Or it's at least done in a way where you question whether it's real or not. I have no idea if Cornwell ever said if the magic was real or not though. Either way the series is great and even avid fantasy readers should enjoy it.

>>9408067
true, I am, but it's also been at least a year since I was finding new things to read all the time. Maybe longer. Reading short stories might help, but I'm just horribly picky and have gotten even more so.

I've only finished about 14 books in the past year that weren't rereads. Of them I think I only 4 of them actually had me thinking about them when I wasn't reading. The rest was me forcing myself

>>9407274
Gary K. Wolf's Roger Rabbit trilogy is a personal favorite. His books are in essence the movie in prose form, and that does some funny things to the words. So many verbal puns.

>>9408101
Have you looked for books similar to those four? If not, tell us what they were and maybe someone here can point you in the right direction.

>>9408120
The Wall of Storms, The Melancholy of Mechagirl (short stories), and The Golden Compass were three of them, (a blending of modern science and fantasy tropes seems to be the recurring theme). The fourth was the disappearing spoon which is nonfiction chemistry

I should probably say before you make a recommendation that scifi isn't my thing.

>>9408115
I heard the book was about newspaper comics rather than cartoons. I didn't realize it's a trilogy. Also that movie's concept of toons as actors does weird things if you stick it into a westphall map of /co/

>>9407435

>avoid Tolkien
>avoid Vance
>avoid Moorcock
>avoid Peake

I really hate these shitposting images.

>>9407477
Go ahead. I feast on contrary lamentations such as you will put out on your completion (or abandonment) of those works.

Make sure you man up and admit you were wrong for doubting sffg, and that you couldn't make it through those hundreds of pages.

>>9408253
It's subjective. You don't have to take it as gospel.
People that share my tastes also avoid those so..

>>9407522
You ever read Shades of Gray by fforde?
I didn't like it but there are those grace of kings trilogy and the long price quartet series.

>>9408256
I've actually already read 5 of those series and enjoyed them, which is how I know the chart is made by pretentious twats who hate fun.

It's ironic how much hate asoiaf gets here because of "muhh normies" when normies have never fucking read the books.

>>9408599

Because in those cases it's the show that gets brought up, not the books.

That said, why didn't GRRM tell us all about King Robert's taxation policy? Or how the North managed to survive every years-lasting winter in detail?

>>9408602
>Or how the North managed to survive every years-lasting winter in detail?

I'm never going to understand how Martin thinks he has a leg to stand on with his stupid Aragorn's tax policy question when his own world doesn't even make sense.

>>9408599
For me it has more to do with those books starting the grimdark fad which has been mostly shit. Not to mention the books themselves are quite overrated.

>>9408695

>>9407274
Howl's moving Castle.
Neverwhere.
Good Omens.
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
Maybe something by Terry Pratchet if you enjoy his books.

Basically any lighthearted book that's neither to long nor require a dictionary plus a degree in philosophy and/or theology to comprehend.

>>9407435
It's a circular novel. It may sound like a cop-out but it wouldn't make sense to have a tidy and satisfying ending.

>>9408264
>tastes

>>9405265
Yeah it's pretty hilarious how he manages to cause disaster wherever he goes