/lit/ - Literature

http://www.ambrosekane.com/2016/05/29/venezuelan-prisoner-burned-with-boiling-plastic-and-forced-to-eat-the-flesh-of-a-corpse-warning-graphic/

I guess the protein from the human flesh may have made him stronger

>>9217116
He wrote that after having bed-ridden cause of terrible, painful illnesses and headaches.

>>9217116
>Taking it literally
Kys brainlet.

>>9217128
If that prisoner can't overcome the trauma he will be as good as dead in Nietzsche's eyes.
If that prisoner can overcome the trauma he will be certainly stronger.

>>9217136
They made him eat his own fingers after so he may have gotten even stronger

>>9217139
Immagine the mental strenght you need to overcome that experience.
If you can do it you will OBVIOUSLY be a stronger person (inb4 you're talking about physical strenght).

>>9217142
Speaking seriously (granted the guy didn't get killed after) I doubt he did overcome it, if you see the second part of his torture he seems psychotic

>>9217146
Then he will have to live a inherently life-denying life, rooted in fear and horror. That's not literally death, but in Nietzsche's thought it's pretty close to it.

I'm pretty sure the correct translation is "What doesn't DESTROY you, makes you stronger.".

>>9217116
>so long and goodniiiiiiiiiiight
>so loeeeeng and goodni-ighiiit

>>9217167
umbringen == more poetic, less specific form of kill... kinda like annihilate

>>9217193
Makes the quote way better. Neetchee's right btw

>>9217167
Dementia doesn't annihilate you, but it sure as fuck doesn't make you stronger, either.

>>9217135
>not being well versed and articulated enough to form your thoughts in a way that allows no misinterpretation

Kill yourself famalam

>>9217211
>One of the most brilliant writers in the last 200 years is "not well versed and articulated enough".
He just didn't want retards like you actually getting anything from him. It worked. Feelsgoodman.

>>9217213
>that moment when your opponent has to reasort to ad hominems in order to make themselves feel better
feelsgoodman

Btw, cretins who take a philospher's words (any philosopher's words for that matter) as gospel are the real brainlets

There are intelligent people who disagree with NEETzsche. Disliking him isn't indicative of being stupid. Sorry if that somehow hurts your inconsequential feelings

>>9217230
>There are intelligent people who disagree with Nietzsche
Woah! Didn't know that!! That's awesome anon! They must be right then!

>>9217146
>>9217128
Can you please tell me why you folk watch this kind of stuff? Genuinely curious.

>>9217248
Genuinely curious

>>9217116
>Nietzsche was a complete moron. The one thing I hate more than SJWs are retarded Neecheefags.
Same here. They're really nasty too.

>>9217193
Annihilate is a shit translation for "umbringen". Kill is much better.

>>9217240
Look, you brain-dead miscarriage, Nietzsche is objectively wrong on this issue and I can prove it by a simple syllogism:

>Nietzsche asserts that WHATEVER doesn't destroy/annihilate/kill a person, makes him stronger
>The word "whatever" literally means, according to the dictionary: "anything or everything that"
>There are instances, however, where a person doesn't get destroyed/annihilated/killed, but doesn't get stronger as a result, e.g., dementia, Parkinson, paralysis.
>Thus, Nietzsche's assertion is false.

Sorry if I insulted your favorite homeboy. Maybe if you stopped sucking his dick, you could engage in meaning analysis and stop being such a gargantuan chuff.

>>9217267
As a native German speaker, this.

>>9217277
Those illnesss will annihilate one's persona.

>>9217267
>>9217193
Umbringen is a euphemism for killing. Literally "up/about-bringing", making it so somebody's "time is up", finishing somebody (off).

>>9217277
This just proves Nietzsche's unironically sophisticated self-help for autistic faggots like himself.

>>9217286
>Citation needed

>>9217287
no, thats like saying entrance is euphemism for door.

>>9217277
>Look, you brain-dead miscarriage

>>9217277
>brain-dead miscarriage
>trying this hard
>getting THIS mad
It is very obvious that you feel the need to discredit Nietzsche. You insist on taking him literally -as you just did on that last edgy, pathetic post- and misinterpret him, and then you ramble about "cretins who take him literally". It's really entertaining to see such an imbecile getting so emotionally involved in a conversation on 4chan. So much for your pretention of independent thought.
Kill yourself and stop wasting air, braindead neanderthal.

>>9217292
>dementia
>parkison in his late stages
They will literally kill your coherence, meaning that your persona will just be a shell of its former self.

>paralysis
Depending on how invasive it is one can larn how to cope with it. It will require immense strenghts, but this is what Nietzsche was saying in the first place.

>>9217250
Good answer.

>>9217296
Compare "Etwas wird dich umbringen" to "Etwas wird dich töten".

Umbringen is far less about the gory details and implied death as it is about saying "this will harm you badly".

nietzsche became interested in the effect of clarity of mind during weakness of body. something which was already remarked by goethe and schopenhauer either through own experience or from anecdotes about artists who became super creative during tuberculosis etc.
it's a signature attitude of decadence.

>>9217312
yep, thats what i meant with "more poetic" >>9217193

it's more vague and less common than simply kill. although saying "ich bring dich um" is a common phrase. nietzsche held balance between sounding sophisticated and at the same time rustic in zarathustra, trying to emulate Luther's achievement with bible translation.

>>9217304
>They will literally kill your coherence, meaning that your persona will just be a shell of its former self.

Yeah, but they don't kill your philosophical identity, which was what Nietzsche was talking about.

Also, in the case of paralysis, how is learning to cope with it equal "getting stronger"? All you do is accept shit you don't have the power to change. You literally can't do otherwise. There's no need for "strength".

>>9217327
kill yourself namefag.
we're all anonymous here. feel the need to identify yourself "OP"? To get attention like a woman? "Look at me, Im OP!!"
Just hang yourself.

>>9217303
I never ramble about "cretins taking him literally". Maybe you have someone other in mind. Also, lol. I disagree with NEETzsche, provide an argent about WHY I do so, you accept what that retard said unquestioningly, and I'M the one who "pretends to form independent thought?"

Also, I make take you more seriously if you had an actual argument/syllogism to disprove my claim, but you fail to provide one, so YOU can go fuck yourself.

>>9217332
>resorts to ad hominems without engaging with the point
I win.

>>9217211
I don't think you'd want to read anything that has been made comepletely unambiguous though. English is not predicate logic. Don't you think your bias against Nietsche blinds you? Not saying he was right btw, I don't know the context of the quote. Probably the essence is just that you grow by experiencing as much as possible (as opposed to isolating yourself)?

>>9217327
>Yeah, but they don't kill your philosophical identity, which was what Nietzsche was talking about.
I disagree, since we're talking about neurodegenerative illnesses. Will is a core concept of Nietzsche's philosophy, and a loss of coherence directly interferes with that.

>Also, in the case of paralysis, how is learning to cope with it equal "getting stronger"?
It's strenght of character. When Nietzsche talks about getting stronger he's not talking about power, influence or physical strenght, that argument is based entirely on introspection.
A man who can cope with paralysis without ever falling into madness or desperation is, for example, stronger in character than me, who can't even begin to think about living in such a situation.

It's not a desirable outcome, but life is suffering in the first place and we as humans can only integrate that suffering in our mindset, making it ours. The example of paralysis is an extreme example, but not so extreme when you consider that Nietzsche wrote that after having spent years in his bed, tormented by headaches and a vast array of illnesses that debilitated almost every part of his body (and keep in mind that he lived this way for his entire adulthood). He wasn't being hypocritical: that consideration came from a extreme scenario too.

>>9217277
>>The word "whatever" literally means, according to the dictionary: "anything or everything that"
Oh, neat, I didn't know Nietzsche wrote in English.

>>9217375
I didn't know you were this stupid.
In German (my native language, btw) the quote is: Was mich nicht umbringt, macht mich stärker, which has the same meaning as the English translation.

>>9217374
>Will is a core concept of Nietzsche's philosophy, and a loss of coherence directly interferes with that.

Wrong. Will is not part of the human essence. One born demented is still a human, even if he doesn't display the same degree of conscious deliberation as a sane person does.

>>9217386
German is my native language too. Was != Was auch immer.

>>9217374
>It's strenght of character. When Nietzsche talks about getting stronger he's not talking about power, influence or physical strenght, that argument is based entirely on introspection.

OK. My question is: what good is that kind of strength, though? How do I benefit from it? In the case I get paralyzed, even if I somehow become "stronger in character", my existence as a whole is more miserable. Nietzsche makes it sound as if that something to hope for.

>>9217391
>One born demented is still a human, even if he doesn't display the same degree of conscious deliberation as a sane person does.
Nietzsche would say that you're lacking common sense, since you're trying to apply his maxims to people who have no control over their Will and rationale. At this point it's just semantic, wich doesn't really have anything to do with what N. was saying.

You should practice on your reading comprehension, or try to manage your autism in more useful ways.
That said, Noetzsche wasn't as politically correct as you, and would have not held demented people to the same standards he held great men and artists. There is no point in doing so, nor it's useful.
I've already explained to you multiple times the reasoning and the biographical concepts behind that quote. At this point its meaning should appesr obvious to you, but somehow you can't get over the fact that you can create extreme examples, link them with notions that Nietzsche itself would have rejected, and say that that makes that statement invalid.

Who knows, maybe there are unexamined lives that are worth living, and maybe in very rare cases excellence is not a habit.

>>9217401
Ok, du Spacken, dir ist aber schon bewusst, dass das Wort "was" in gewissen Umständen durch aus, mit dem Englischen "whatever" übereinstimmt, z.B. in diesen Fall. Wie würdest du denn den Satz übersetzen?

>>9217408
>That said, Noetzsche wasn't as politically correct as you, and would have not held demented people to the same standards he held great men and artists.
Too bad, because later in life he became demented himself.

>>9217415
>resorts to ad hominems without engaging with the point
I win.

>>9217415
Neurodegenerative genetic conditions can happen to everyone. That doesn't discredit his philosophy in the slightest.
Also we could say that that illness annihilated him, since he was reduced in a catatonicnstate for a decade.

>>9217411
>>that moment when your opponent has to reasort to ad hominems in order to make themselves feel better
>feelsgoodman

"What does not kill you makes you stronger"
"That which does not kill you makes you stronger"

In fact, the only other translation I can find using the word "whatever" is from The Dark Knight.

>>9217417
What

>>9217428
Haha! You use ad hominem! Loser!

>>9217408
>Nietzsche would say that you're lacking common sense, since you're trying to apply his maxims to people who have no control over their Will and rationale.
That's rich comming from a philsopher, who is supposed to dispel so-called common sense as a profession.

Honestly NEETzsche is turning out to be even worse than Rand.

>>9217116

>This entire thread

All wrong. The real quotation is:

>"What doesn't kill ME, makes ME stronger."

Emphasis on the 'Me.' He was referring to himself.

It's quite possible that for a pleb like you, what doesn't kill you will make you weaker.

Nietzsche, however, was referring to himself. Moreover, his definition of 'strength' is nuanced here. Nietzsche himself was a physically rather weak/frail man, plagued with illness - although he took very long walks/marches around the Swiss mountains à la Caesar to keep himself fit (inactivity is death).

He was referring to his drive/strength of will/etc, which was undeniably very great because he managed to leave so many lasting legacies even in spite of his shit health. I doubt many ITT can say the same tbqh.

>>9217434
Fuck you, shithead. Stop posing as me.

>>9217455
He dispelled Kantian rationalism, not rationality as a whole.
Almost none of his arguments are based on chaotic premises, instead they are usually based on metaphysical statements that appeared obvious to him (and he will usually tell you why) in a way that directly went against scientism, rationalism and German idealism.

It's a shacky system, but it's not a nonsensical one.

>>9217463
He's the favorite philsopher of autists who feel the need to console themselves by worshipping the personalization of everything wrong with them.

>>9217467
Ad hominem. I win

>>9217480
Stop posing as me. That's like the most pathetic thing one can do.

>>9217497
I agree. Posing as you is pretty pathetic.

>>9217468
>Almost none of his arguments are based on chaotic premises, instead they are usually based on
Based on faint ideas about darwinism via spencer, disliking things because they made him feel bad, mythology and being too low IQ for understanding critique of pure reason.

>metaphysical statements that appeared obvious to him (and he will usually tell you why)
Because he had no philosophical background. That's why. Nietzsche was an idiot. Deal with it. Stop being a fucking obscurantist and deal with it you crazy monkey man.

>>9217466
>Nietzsche
>The real quotation
Like many of the great philosophers, Nietzsche has stated the same thing in multiple ways. In Ecce Homo, he uses the third person.
>"Und woran erkennt man im Grunde die Wohlgeratenheit! Daß ein wohlgeratner Mensch unsern Sinnen wohltut: daß er aus einem Holze geschnitzt ist, das hart, zart and wohlriechend zugleich ist. Ihm schmeckt nur, was ihm zuträglich ist; sein Gefallen, seine Lust hört auf, wo das Maß des Zuträglichen überschritten wird. Er errät Heilmittel gegen Schädigungen, er nützt schlimme Zufälle zu seinem Vorteil aus; was ihn nicht umbringt, macht ihn stärker."

>>9217277
>"Nietzche is objectively wrong"
>objectively as in "in a way that is not influenced by personal feelings or opinions"
>proof is influenced by personal feelings or opinions
>therefore, proof is invalid and statement is baseless

Would you look at that, it means Nietzche must be objectively right.

>>9217513

Even if that is the case, the other guy's basic premise is still correct. OP and others are assuming he meant physical strength.

>>9217277
Look at this retard.

>>9217507
this

>>9217507
>Based on faint ideas about darwinism via spencer, disliking things because they made him feel bad, mythology and being too low IQ for understanding critique of pure reason.

Those ideas became "faint" only in the post-Kantian philosophy discourse, and the opposition to it was one of Nietzsche's main points. You're critique is excessively naive, you should expand on that.

>Because he had no philosophical background. That's why. Nietzsche was an idiot. Deal with it. Stop being a fucking obscurantist and deal with it you crazy monkey man.
Wrong, Nietzsche had a full, formal education in the humanities (in wich, as far as we know, he always excelled), that culminated with his philological studies (that granted him a surprisingly early tenured position).
He stopped studying philosophy when he started writing Ecce Homo.

>>9217522
>proof is influenced by personal feelings or opinions
How is this the case? Where is my proof influenced by personal feelings? Explain, fucking frog poster.

>>9217529
Show me the flaw in this argument if it's so glaring. You can't, can you? STFU

>>9217541
lmao you take everything out of context and everything literally

if bait 4/10 with your last comment there

>>9217541
Haha, you're hilarious.

>"The sky is blue."
>But sometimes the sky can be purple, orange, even black!
>I AM SO SMART
Keep patting yourself on your back, you truly deserve it. However, every remotely intelligent person already knows that there are exceptions for pretty much every rule and claim, especially when it comes to general principles such as the one proposed by Nietzsche.

So really there is absolutely no need to say "Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger, except for x, y, z, ..." if you assume that your reader has some sort of common sense.

So yes, you actually are quite the autistic retard.

inb4 ad hominem

>>9217507

>Based on faint ideas about darwinism via spencer

He grasped the basic premise of Darwin's theory. Naturally in the internet age, it's easy for us to look back with derision at those who didn't have the finer details to hand.

Also, his critique of Spencer - apart from his critique of Darwinism - is consistently good.

>>9217116

>dat hidden hand tho

>>9217537
>post-Kantian philosophy discourse
Anglos, everybody.

>mfw I'm a massive faggot

>>9217555
>>9217560
>tfw when that doesn't disprove shit

>>9217569

Common feature in old paintings/photos.

Nietzsche threads should be banned, not because of what nietzsche wrote, but because everyone posts about him when they haven't read him. Even if you read only one book by nietzsche, you can pretty much see that 80-90% of the comments in every thread is wrong

>>9217586
This.

>>9217555
>everything out of context
The quote was a stand-alone aphorism in BG&E. There was no ulterior context, idiot. Have you actually read anything by Nietzsche or are you just defending him because MUH EDGINESS?

>>9217582
Disprove what? That you missunderstand and takes it literally?
Also, a negative argument (disprove) is low hanging fruit
> you cant disprove god hurr durr
see?

>>9217586
i read 2. fuck nietzsche

>mfw I'm mentally handicapped and you literally can't disprove it

>>9217599
Except that I actually gave a rationale for my view and you have failed to address it in any shape or form. Find the premise that's wrong in my argument, prove that it's unsound or gtfo

>>9217576
That's it? This is everything you've got? A stereotype?

>>9217616
>m-muh strawman

>>9217116

>taking it literally

pls be bait, anon

>>9217624
What strawman? Stop talking shit and actually post the false premise in my argument. If you can't do that it means my argument is sound. Simple as that.

>>9217116
You need mental fortitude to survive such things

>>9217654
>There are instances, however, where a person doesn't get destroyed/annihilated/killed, but doesn't get stronger as a result, e.g., dementia, Parkinson, paralysis.

All those things do annihilate a person.

>>9217668
No, they do not. You still continue to exist as an human.

I literally can't stop sucking dicks.

>>9217671
nigga this shit has been explained to you so many times that at this point you are either a stubborn troll or a stubborn retard.

IM GOING TO TAKE EVERYTHING AS LITERALLY AS IT TAKES TO MAKE IT SOUND ABSURD STOP FUCKING POINTING OUT IM A RETARD FOR THIS I HATE YOU IDIOTIC TEENAGE NEETSHOE FANBOYS GOD I WISH YOU WOULD I DIE PLEASE GIVE ME AS MANY (YOU)S AS POSSIBLE THOUGH IM LAUGHED AT BY COMPLETELY EVERYONE IN REAL WORLD AND NEED TO HAVE SOMEONE ENGAGE WITH MY AUTISM TO STAVE OFF SUICIDE WHATEVER YOU SAY IS NOT AN ARGUMENT THOUGH AND PROTIP YOU LITERALLY CANNOT PROVE ME WRONG STUPID FAG

>>9217671
No, you only exist as an empty shell. It may look like a person, but on a mental level they're as human as sperm on a petri dish.

>>9217696
This.

>>9217673
You again. Stop posing asshole.

>>9217679
>>9217698
Have any of you actually been inside a demented person's head? Do you seriously think they don't have the same consciousness we do? Unless you're clinical psychologist you lack the scientific knowledge to establish that those are not persons anymore

>>9217707
>Ad Hominem
Looks like I've won this argument. Mom will be so proud!

>>9217714
Likewise, you lack the knowledge to claim they are still persons.

>>9217116

>whatever doesn't kill you, simply make sure you... stranger.

>>9217723

Well autocorrect butchered that.

>>9217727
I laughed, though.

>>9217116
Is the process trough wich you overcome adversity and lifes hardships to become a more selfdependent and resilient human being. If you were to lose an arm you would have to learn tp live without it making you stronger to life difficulties. People always suffer, even the richest will feel as miserable as a hobo at some point so it literally makes you stronger. Easy to understand brainlet.

>>9217211
>language contains ambiguities
sorry that we do not speak and write in mathematical equations of pure truth, anon

>>9217497
why do you pose as OP, faggit? Stop derailing the thread

>>9217116
It's meant to be motivational for certain people. Nietzsche rubs some people better than he rubs others. If Nietzsche doesn't have much effect on you, there's no shame in it, just admit you're a sheep and go on your way.

>>9217714
for nietzsche, they are not persons, retard

>>9217806
>Bah bah - Nietzsche sheep

>>9217209
OP you are deliberately being as ungracious with this quote as possible. You could definitely say dementia destroys or annihilates people.

>>9217340
That's not how argument works.

I just LOVE sucking dick.

>>9217277
>he's objectively wrong based on my objectively wrong interpretation of his work

>My infant childs head got chopped off with a samurai sword and my wife got rapped and killed infront of my eyes, now i'm going to be buried alive.
>I-i'm s-sure this will pass and ill laugh about it later hehe...

>>9217986
If someone where able to overcome that experience they would be stronger.

>>9217116
It's not a general aphorism for everybody. He wrote that a person who has turned out well could be recognized by certain attributes such as exploiting bad experiences to his advantage. Of this type of man he wrote "was ihn nicht umbringt, mach ihn starker".

Also, since the ubermensch shouldn't waste hus time helping the weak and only the string survive. Literally that which doesn't kill us makes us (as a species) stronger (since the strong traits will be passed on).

>>9217116
Ok, im sorry. I am what germans call 'engstirnig' and a prisoner of my limited Imagination. Since i found something that i could critizise about a great thinker i thought i could annihilate his reputation by shitty argumentation and rise to a greater thinker myself. I was wrong and should think objektively before writing.

Also, I'm what germans call 'riesige Schwuchtel' and a slave of my faggot cravings. Please forgive me for being a degenerate mentally challenged piece of garbage.

>>9217116

I mean suffice to say Nietzsche was not a doctor of course nor was medicine comparatively very advanced in his time

But uh, they can't all be homeruns ya know?
If every word a philospher wrote down was the absolute truth we wouldn't need so many would we?

Looks like OP is your new name, eh Ælian?

By the way you're still an Æutistic faggot

>>9218066

>If every word a philospher wrote down was the absolute truth we wouldn't need so many would we?

But that's what Hegel did, buddy.

If you can come back from depression, undoubtedly you are better equipped to deal with life emotionally

>>9217116
Of course Nietzsche is not referencing strength in terms of physical well being, but rather strength of the "soul" and of the ego. If one can overcome any of these pains or mutilations, their soul is stronger, and their ego (in reference to mentality) is stronger as well.

>>9217411
Dude you wrecked him so badly he had to start pretending to be you lmfao

>>9217136
>>9217142

You're all full of shit. You're not gonna ascend to some metaphysical state after overcoming this because there are already cases of people overcoming horrific instances and they're as regular as anyone else.

>>9218209
>learning isn't a thing

>>9218209
>equality is a thing
>the regular foe reads neetszszchew
Sure!!

>>9218209
Congratulations you have just discovered why Nietzsche is exclusively celebrated by histrionics, shutin permaneets and teenagers with zero life experience. The concept of self overcoming in order to achieve mental strength is empirically flawed. It's a beautiful, dangerous lie.

>>9218258
>t. untermensche
It's not that Nietzsche is wrong, it's that 99.9% of people fall within the lower part of the divide!

I suck cocks.

>>9217211
He's the king of playful & poetic ambiguity & contradiction. Also as others have noted, that's a shite tier translation.

You're not going to make it.

>>9217230
He says himself not to follow him. He's in before'd all your tired worn out points.

>>9218439
I'm a native German speaker, the translation is pretty accurate, actually.

>>9218349
Stop it. Seriously.

>>9218258
I completely agree.

>>9217808
Who gives a shit about what that loser perma-virgin said? He's not a clinical psychologist, he's just a whack ass philosopher who relied on style over substance to build his legacy. He doesn't get to decide which under what circumstances people are persons or no.

>>9218044
Fuck you. Stop posing as me, du Schwanzlutscher. Geh woanders Nietzsches Arsch lecken.

>>9218080
As, someone who's actually diagnosed with clinical depression, you couldn't be more wrong. Believe me, depression doesn't make you stronger. Stop that feel-good YA self-help shit.

>>9218506
>Who gives a shit about what that loser perma-virgin said?

Nietzsche eats shit.

I eat shit.

>>9218579
You're pathetic. Stop posing. You lost. Find dich damit ab.

Not stage 4 endocrine cancer unless we NANOBOTS

>>9217116
>"No man is an island" Jhon Donne
OMFG THAT'S OBVIOUSLY TRUE WHY IS HE EVEN CONSIDERED A GOOD POET REEEEEE

>>9218644
Stage 4 endocrine cancer will probably kill you, though

>>9218663
Nanotech is saving lives today by letting doctors catch it before it becomes too untreatable.

>>9218630
Ad hominem. I win.

>>9218630
Shoot Him, i am the real OP

>>9217577
Most quality-est post in this thread

>>9217986
> rapped

Yo yo hol' up biach, Imma rap yo ho dawg in fron of you. Wha dun kill me makes me stronga, like Kanye say.

>>9218525
One could argue that you never surpassed depression.

>>9217513
The entire thing puts the quote in a different light altogether. Nietzsche is asserting that the mark of a well-rounded (for lack of a better term) person is that what doesn't kill him, makes him stronger.

>>9217116
lmao.
Fucking dumbass.
t. a stronger person than you ever will be

>>9217116
>What about mutilation, paralysis, PTSD, depression, etc.? I could go on.
Slow deaths.

>>9218525
so you are just a failure who is too weak? Typical

>>9218525
so you are not a person, I take it?

>>9217128
This is fucking saddening and horrifying. I'm gonna crawl into bed and read Judy Blume now.

>>9219934
youll come down again :) you always do

>>9217116
Before ptsd you are naive. It is the world showing its teeth that scars you. A weak baby protected from the world is not stronger than that same baby exposed to the world, that survives.

>>9217277
autism is clearly an exception

>>9218682
Fuck off, Sam.

>>9217116
Exceptions aren't arguments.

>>9217116
Fruit does not kill you.

>>9217277
>assumes a definition of strong

actually parkinsons makes you stronger you imbecile

I literally cannot stop sucking dicks and slurping semen.