/lit/ - Literature

Feanor did EVERYTHING wrong.

Feanor did absolutely nothing wrong

Feanor a good boy he dindu nuffin

>remembrance, despair, and finally acceptance
>today is a holiday in burgerland
Give us your top 5 authors, burgers.

>>9132502
Discworld is shot through with this.

You guys told me Tigana was good, but you did not prepare me for HOW GOOD it was. Thanks /sffg/.

Any good novels with a really confident girl protagonist?

Any of you guys have The Demon Princes Omnibus? Was considering buying used and the dealers have good reputations(like 97% satisfaction rates of hundreds of thousands of deals) but there's no reviews, etc
Good purchase or just buy the two volumes?

Should I read Worm?

Shaeönanra is perfect.

Vodalus is a cuck.

>>9133116

Sheonanra is a used-up Inchoroi SLUT. Slut!

>>9132755
https://youtu.be/dvgZkm1xWPE

realtalk, would /sffg/ call bullishit if a character managed to kill a god-like being by poisoning or asphyxiating it?

I had this idea where a character has to kill a kubey-like hive mind who is infinitely more powerful than him so he takes advantage of the small size of its bodies by causing a massive gas leak

>>9133089
The beginning is good. But it drags on too long. Stop when you think it's getting stale, but read the beginning.

>>9133089
Wait for the edited version. Currently it has a lot of fat that needs trimming, and you'll avoid >>9133573 this problem.

Can any of you white devils recommend me some books written by PoC? No whiteys please.

>>9133585
Cixin Liu is a pretty good Chinese SciFi author. I really liked The Three Body Problem

>>9133551
It's been done, and I think not just in Planescape: Torment. Can't recall where or how.

>>9133585
Charles R. Saunders, the Imaro series. Imaro's a strong African herdsman that wrecks faces and doesn't fear no man and there's not even no whiteys, there's no whiteys mentioned, nobody blaming anything on whitey.

>>9133585
China Mieville has China in his name and China has a billion POC

>>9133749
Perdido Street Station has People of Chitin

What's a book that can give me one actual, non-bullshit reason why humanity as a whole still deserves to exist

>>9133996
Deserves on what grounds? Have Space Suit Will Travel involves humanity going on trial but it's just for nonviolence or something, there's always some reason writers give why we do or don't deserve to continue.

>>9134018
do we have a single redeeming feature? I used to believe that we were at least improving morally but that seems to be going down the shitter too

I've seen more honest and virulent racism in the past few months than I have in the entire rest of my life

>>9133996

Well you can't because it doesn't

>>9134047
Redeeming to what? Moral on what grounds? Maybe racism is good and we're finally being redeemed. What grounds?

>>9134058
>Maybe racism is good and we're finally being redeemed.

I'd tell you to kill yourself and mean it except I'd like to do the task for you personally. Do you live on the east coast by any chance?

>>9134082
Can you prove racism isn't good? Antiracism is a helpful meme in a lot of situations, but you're putting a moral weight on it that you're refusing to back up.

tn: "I hate you" isn't a proof

>>9134093
morals don't have an objective basis, they aren't grounded in the laws of math, logic and physics

however, it should be obvious that treating individuals as subhuman because of the color of their skin or the particular patch of dirt they were born in is morally unjustifiable as it causes them harm and suffering

>>9134107
Harm and suffering are often good things. Surgery is incredibly painful, and needs long periods of recovery even when successful.

>>9134121
but that's not harm and suffering themselves being beneficial, that's lesser amounts harm and suffering being necessary to prevent even greater amounts of harm and suffering, with large amounts of effort being devoted to minimizing the former

>>9134133
Are you going to make the claim that it is never possible to reduce suffering by treating individuals as subhuman? There's a certain American underclass that was a lot more literate, better-educated, and with families that lasted longer when they were.

I'm not going to try to claim racism as a universal moral good, but I will tell you if you think every advanced alien species we encounter will think us moral reprobates for it you're wrong.

This series any good?

>>9134144
>a lot more literate, better-educated
the literacy rate was 9% and grounds for a lynching

>with families that lasted longer when they were.
you were either forced to breed with someone you didn't remotely like or were torn from your children for economic reason

Listen anon. you obviously don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about. I'm not sure where you're getting your facts, but you're being extensively mislead by cruel, close-minded and deeply insecure "people"

I urge you to educate yourself with sources you wouldn't otherwise trust because your so-called dark enlightenment is nothing but willful and dangerous ignorance

>>9132610

>>9134202
If you think blacks in the 1950s were forced to breed you're pretty misled. As for literacy
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=130002
NPR is about as non-dark enlightenment as you can get.

Now, the point we're arguing is whether or not humans deserve to exist, which is very /sffg/ because a lot of such literature involves humans being dragged before a panel of gods or aliens to answer for the sin of not acting as the author thinks is moral. I say that's a stupid question if you can't make a clear case for your moral grounds.

>>9134229
I was talking about slavery

>>9133585
>implying only whites lurk this general
huehuehue

>>9134236
Then you should have said "slavery" and not "racism," anon.

>>9134156
Read and tell us.

>>9134229
admittedly there have been some very negative interior cultural developments over the past 40 years but I don't see any evidence that the differences have a causal relationship

>>9134047
>>9134082
>I've seen more honest and virulent racism in the past few months than I have in the entire rest of my life

Maybe you shouldn't have started browsing 4chan in the last few months then. If you're having an identity crisis over people getting called nigger on the internet you should stay on whatever shithole referred you here.

Same for the other /pol/fucker arguing back, do you dumb niggers want this thread deleted like the one two or so threads ago that started with the same type of shit?

>>9134262
Are you going to keep this /sffg/ related or not? Whether or not there's been a causal relationship, it's obvious that antiracism hasn't been some sort of panacea that would save us from judgmental aliens. Maybe they'd tell us we were unfair to blacks by trying to put them on a level playing field? My point is stupid questions like "do we deserve do exist" are based entirely on your own biases.

Okay, back to sff. has anyone found a good place to track new releases? Io9 has been doing a shit job since charlie jane anders left


>>9134266
I've been here since the jessie slaughter incident. I believe that was 2008? It always existed here and I've accepted that but the fact is that 4chan is leaking both into the rest of the internet and the real world.

>>9133074

Not an ebook fan?

>http://jackvance.com/ebooks/shop/?q22_action=view&q22_id=74

Does anyone knows of an ebook version of The Killing Star?

I really want to read it but it's very expensive to order it for real (+ shipping)

I saw a 2010 thread asking for the same thing, so I don't know if this is the right thread but it's SF so, you know
Fucker in that thread gave a direct torrent link ;_;

>>9134107
>morals don't have an objective basis
>however, it should be obvious that... is morally unjustifiable
This is why atheists should stop trying to into morality.

>>9134237
favela

>>9134047
if politics has taught me anything, it's that 95% of people (myself included) are stupid or evil.

>>9134301
Nah, not really
Only have an iphone and my laptop ATM and I don't really enjoy reading for long periods of time on them
The omnibus' do look decent though so I might cop soon enough

Gj derailing the thread retards

>>9134323
I think your best bet is just an audiobook seems like a pain to get hold of.

>>9134379

One reason I can think of to prefer them is that the ebooks are the Vance Integral Edition texts whereas the old print books have various degrees of editorial interference.

Spatterlight Press is also printing new paperback versions of the VIE volumes. I'm seeing overseas Amazon links for them so perhaps the U.S. rights are still reserved.

>http://jackvance.com/signatureseries/#vol38

>>9134323

MyAnonamouse only has the audiobook.

>>9134266
Not that anon, but I was here since 07?? it's aaaawwwright
It was more of a sarcastic / ironic type of racism. It's when stormfront invaded that shit got real. People used to be racist to be edgy and shock, stormfront/news/pol/ came here saw our ironic racism and thought it to be real.

They rounded up their neonazi irl comrades and brought them here. The racist remarks used to be confined to /b/. When moot deleted their containment board aka news they spread to the rest of the site. After everyone complained moot made pol and started banning when you discussed out of there.

tl;dr 4chan was sarcastic and ironic, real stormfront came and started real racism

>>9134403
Myanonamouse AND Audiobook bay just have the audiobook.

>>9134404
>implying ironic racism no longer exists on 4chan

>It's a retards will discuss the politics in this thread and get the entire thread nuked again episode
Didn't you fags learn anything after the 300 posts about an uncircumcised penis thread?

>time to get this thread back on track
Going to do an update for this chart some time soon. I know you are all patiently waiting for it.

>>9134428
i wasn't here for that. i don't frequent these threads because nobody ever answers my questions.

>>9134439
>nobody ever answers my questions.
Now that's probably a case of no one ever reading the book you're talking about anon.

>>9134437
Do you take suggestions or is it just your personal list?
Have you read Fear the Sky or 14?

>>9134444
nice quads

It's most likely he is the anon that asks a bunch of stupid questions / writing advice questions.

Well?

>>9134323
>>9134407

#bookz doesn't have it either.

The blurb looks interesting.

>>9134468
It's my personal recommendation from books I read.
If books are shilled I read and place them on my charts if they are good (library at mount char, shades of grey, etc).

If they are shit I make sure to let everyone know once the shill shows his face here again (red knight, buried giant [rrrrrreeeeeee]).

>>9134474

The qt girl who tames the heart of The Mule

>>9134479
Neither does Bibliotik or IRCHighwaynet for that matter.

>>9134474
>Who is R. Daneel Olivaw
>A robot is more memorable than any character from 80% of the books on this list >>9134437
Asimov was truly masterrace

>>9134474
He's right, Asimov is not great. He had great ideas, but great ideas do not a great writer make.

>>9134474
>tfw the Mule isn't a protagonist

>>9134501
>implying he's not
>implying Seldon's not the antagonist
>implying a thirty-thousand-year break from Empire wouldn't have done the Galaxy a world of good

>>9134493
>let me shitpost chart anon's list
>i haven't done it in a while after all

Can someone give me a rundown on the Worm Ouroboros?

>>9134541
It's manly.

>>9132876
City of Stairs.

>>9134468
That's the Testament of Kevin.
Have a care anon, lest ye be led down his dark path.

Just finished this today, felt a little rushed and had one to many Deus ex Machina's for me. Is this a 'bad run' from Moorcock or is this a indication of someone over hyping me on how good Moorcocks works where.

>>9134590
Moorcock's pretty bad. It makes his whining about Tolkien even funnier.

>>9134474
I don't know about great, but out of the trio of Golden Age greats, Asimov, Clarke, and Heinlein, I prefer Asimov every time.

More than Clarke and Heinlein, Asimov is a crowd pleaser, a writer who wanted to awe and entertain the masses with his speculations on technology and interstellar civilisations. I'm sure his populist sensibility comes from his upbringing in his father's shop reading pulps.

Meanwhile Clarke ruins good premises with his dull restraint. I know the point of Rendezvous Rama is that nothing happens, but it is not a satisfying read. If Asimov wrote this book, the dialogue would be snappier, a little more quirky, and the crew would feel more human, and the story could be enjoyed regardless of whether there is a payoff. As it is, Clarke is a wet fish.

>>9134396
Oh damn that is something then, shit maybe I'll look into it I just really wanted the Omnibus

>>9134590
Moorcock's a hack, he ripped off The Witcher series.

>>9134604
Well fuck me, guess I was japed. Why is he up on the selected books for fantasy if he's a rushing boy.

>>9134474
Well Susan Calvin was really anti-social and mean but desired love even though she was really bad at emotional stuff
But yeah I guess, most of the characters are vehicles for the plot and science-magic

>>9134439
Likely because it's either not related to the thread's topic or it's about something really niche nobody here has read. Keep in mind this general is a fairly small community so the pool of authors that people are familiar with is pretty small. It's generally the same 10 fantasy and same 10 sci-fi authors mentioned over and over again.

Is Jeff Noon worth reading?

>>9134576
What you reading Vince?

>>9134590
This book was written in like a week (not exaggerating) so it's not surprising it ain't great. I was surprised how good it was due to the composition conditions.

>>9135176
Thaaaaat explains it, alright, guess that means It'll get better in other books.

What is PKD's best book and why is it UBIK?

What do you guys think about this short story idea:
Set in a stereotypical medieval fantasy world where there is an old prophecy about a chosen one who will one day come and bring about a Golden Age to the whole known world.
However the chosen one turns out to be a lecherous painter who cums instead of comes and the Golden Age relates to his piss fetish.
Then the rest of the story is about the chosen one's struggles to start a worldwide porn industry with all the most talented painters and wizards so it'd be like The People vs. Larry Flynt but in a fantasy land?

>>9134392
>>9134403
>>9134407
>>9134479
>>9134492
Thank you for searching anyway, I might buy the physical copie then

>>9134259
I read the first chapter. The writing was nice but it looks like it will be a teenage romance. Probably not gonna continue.

>>9134437

- American Gods and The Ocean at The End of the Lane but no Neverwhere.

- Absolutely no Dark Tower at all.

- A Harlan Ellsion collection that doesn't contain Jeffty is Five and is a fucking audiobook.

- No Olaf Stapledon in Science Fiction, just Phillip Pullman.

- No James Herbert, but George R.R. Martin instead.

- No M.R. James. No Lovecraft, No Poe, No H.G. Wells.

/lit/, I'm on of the executives at Penguin Book and I have no fucking idea what your purpose is. Long ago we stopped having board meetings discussing how to market to you retards using banner ads because all you do is insist a novel about wheelchair ninjas by a social outcast weirdo who killed himself is the best novel in existence.

Infinite Jest is not a good book. V. by Thomas Pinecone is the rambling of a man who's barricaded themselves in an attic crawlspace and are refusing meds.

>>9136141
Let's see.
>American Gods
decent, I guess, but urban fantasy isn't the cup of tea of most people here.
>Dark Tower
Maybe just the first book? The series gets progressively worse, and just the first book on its own has an unsatisfying climax, so...nah.
>No M.R. James. No Lovecraft, No Poe, No H.G. Wells
What part of "modern" fantasy don't you understand, mr Penguin Book executive? You'd expect some reading comprehension. And why the fuck are you bringing up Pynchon and Wallace in a fantasy thread?

>>9135949
Go away. Leave our child alone.

>>9136202

To Kill A God (TKAG)

What are some fantasy series with the best crew similar to Kruppe and Co?

>>9136252
The Hobbit.
Those dwarves made me roflmalol.

>>9136263

Read, anything else?
Maybe something not super common like LOTR or Sanderson

>>9136268
Silmarillion.
Those Valar, Maiar and Eldar made me roflmalol the fuck out.

>>9136269

Are you drunk?

>>9136141
Mr. on of the executives at Penguin Book.
That chart is composed of books that I personally read and liked, and contains something that would likely appeal to some subgenre a person is looking for.
After I started and failed to complete pic related I just threw all the other categories in random.

-Chutulu never interested me, fuck Poe(not really into horror). I liked time machine but the premise of my chart is books that someone in modern times would find interesting to read, time machine was great but I don't think people would read it and enjoy it(it's kind of dry, and far from that movie that was released a few years ago).

-Again I'm more a fantasy reader than sci-fi. I like my science fiction exploring the what ifs and whacky shit that could be done in the future with tech. From what the shills post here Olaf Stapledon never appealed to me.

-I can't suggest every book by an author, I post what I read that I feel would appeal the best. I think I read neverwhere after that chart was made?? Either way it doesn't make the chart.

-I was scared to start dark tower years ago because of the length (was scared to commit to large series back then) from the hate I see people post about the closing books, I'm glad there isn't another series that I have to rage at.

-I was originally going to read(listen to) I have no mouth and I must scream. I got that collection, the author said it contained what he sees as his best, and it was wonderful. I shill that collection ever chance I get. As someone whose first Ellison was that collection it was great. Ellison is talented as fuck and would be appreciated by modern readers, even if the stories are so old.

-Again I'm more into fantasy than horror. These James Herbert, and M.R. James are both horror authors. I never even heard of them before until now(not surprising seeing as I don't get a hard-on for horror like you do). I might try James Herbert though, some of those books look interesting. Once there is GRI I will be square.

>infinite tennis
>gravity's meme
Why are you mentioning those in a sffg thread?

>>9136299
Yes.

>>9136301

So am I

>>9136217

>>9136299
He is a Tolkien shill. Ignore he will leave soon.

>>9136304
Nice.
I have to stop reading Sanderson's shit now and go ice fishing or I will have to feed myself with beer too.

>>9136314

I realized I could save money by not buying food at all since beer has a lot of calories

i've seen someone in the thread mentioning Worm, i've finally slogged through it and it was aight, are his other two webseries worth checking out?

>>9136314
>>9136399
FOR FUCK'S SAKE WHY CAN'T YOU JUST PIRATE SHIT SO YOU DON'T GIVE UP FOOD?

HOLY SHIT I'M FUCKING TRIGGERED

AND FUCK FUCK FUCK ALCOHOL

>>9136429

How am I going to pirate alcohol?
Please tell me this is very important

>>9136463
Check the inhibitions days. When alcohol became illegal.

>>9136141

>- A Harlan Ellsion collection that doesn't contain Jeffty is Five and is a fucking audiobook.

Volume 2 has it. If he puts two of the collections on his chart, he opens himself to criticism for that instead. The same goes if he replaced Volume 1 with 2 because ..."and I Must Scream" isn't represented.

>"Jefty Is Five" is the only worthwhile story in the blatantly padded Vol. 2
>implying an executive at a publisher would criticize this practice
>implying outer lit = /sffg/
1/10.

>>9136546

What do you mean?
Anon told me to pirate alcohol

Why would anyone ever reply to a tripfaggot?

>>9136595
>>>/a/

>>9136627

>>9135046
:^)
>>9131571
It was going fine till I hit two stream-of-consciousness stories in a row. I hate those.
Yourself?

>>9136629
That is by far the gayest fucking thing I have ever seen īn my life.

I have been coming here for about 7 or 8 years now. That image would have been laughed off of 2009 chan, guaranteed.

>>9136683
People were complaining about summerfags way before 2009

>>9136694
The summerfag myth was dispelled a couple years after it originated.

Gateway would be a good anime, if it focused on life at the spaceport, much like the book does. The ever-present foreboding of doing missions which will probably kill you, prospectors from across the world drinking to forget at the blue hell bar, the protag's tsundere who is damaged goods, the sage-like amputee who floats on wings giving advice to the protagonist while he waters the gardens, mysterious alien relics, etc etc.

>>9136751
>non-virgin female characters

Geez, Sanderson is terrible.

>>9136629
I guess that is why in 2008 my threads about naruto were deleted on /a/, and I was told to go to gaia or /b/, even though naruto was a fucking manga that was turned into an anime and which all originated in Japan.

Fuck you. If I couldn't discuss naruto in /a/ which is on topic, you can't discuss your fucking chibi shit on lit which is off topic.

Go fuck yourself.

>>9136314
>tfw have to wait until November for Oathbringer
fml

>>9136649
Something more than night.
When you gonna take off those smokescreen monk books from your account?

>>9136788
>liking Naruto
Are you also a Sanderson fan?

>>9136789
Why does it already have 604 Ratings and 65 Reviews on goodreads?

>>9136756
>implying nami and robin in one piece aren't gaping sluts
>implying that you can't fist robin with ease because she was taking dick at 10 to survive on a pirate shit
>she has been on one pirate ship or the other for 16 years
>virgin

>>9136800
Probably arc fags

>>9136788
>I guess that is why in 2008 my threads about naruto were deleted on /a/, and I was told to go to gaia or /b/
>almost 10 years later he still mad

Not that guy but, hahahah what a loser.

>>9136790
As soon as I move to Canada. :3

>>9136789

Stronger than the first book, about the same as the second in my opinion, I doubt you'll be disappointed

>>9136812
So never? :3

>>9136840
>another arc faggot gets a release before me
I bet you are the blood mirror arc anon too.
Get fucked
>9 more months
>I might not even be alive
rrrrrrrreeeeeee

New to these threads, what with the hate for Sanderson? I read the first stormlight archive book and it was pretty good, though personally I think he spent to much fucking time on, "Oh man my life sucks" for the male MC.

>>9137312
The writing and dialogue is unreadably bad.

>>9137324
Huh, guess I have low standards.

>>9136840
>about the same as the second
fuck I'd be happy with that. Stormlight seems to be the strongest series right now in terms of the overall cosmere plot, and honestly the characters aren't bad, considering it's Sanderson we're talking about.

Just finished The Man in the High Castle. So.... what's up with the ending?

>>9137331
Never ever post on /lit/ again unless you've finished at least 1000 critically acclaimed and historically significant novels and at least 1000 critically acclaimed and historically significant non-fiction works of philosophy and/or the sciences.

>>9137357
Alternate timelines

>>9137366
Also read my diary desu

Never ever fucking post on /lit/ again unless you've finished at least 1000 critically acclaimed and historically significant novels, at least 1000 critically acclaimed and historically significant non-fiction works of philosophy and/or the sciences and anon's cute diary desu.

>>9137331
Never ever fucking post on /lit/ again unless you've finished at least 1000 critically acclaimed and historically significant novels, at least 1000 critically acclaimed and historically significant non-fiction works of philosophy and/or the sciences and anon's cute diary desu.

>>9137366
>>9137391
>>9137399
Anon...

>>9137404
Well I'm sorry for not being perfect and/or drunk.

What do you guys think about this site?

http://bestfantasybooks.com/top25-fantasy-books.php

>>9137331
We all do. That's why we're here.

>>9137399
It's okay anon, your shitpost got a laugh out of me.

>>9137437
>Meme of Thrones
>Name of the Meme
Looks pretty bad desu

>>9137437
It's better than the shit I took Sunday morning but worse than the shit I took this morning.

>>9136300
Anon, why is there a gay, rape and incest section? Is this your magical realm?

>>9137478
It actually has a lot of top lists on that site.

There's enough less known fantasy on it and some great works.
But the top 25/100 is just cookie cutter stuff.

>>9137496
Rec me a less known great work please.
Preferrably a trilogy.

>>9137544
Bartimaeus Trilogy

>>9137548
I've read quite little fantasy but that is one series I have read and I agree that it was enjoyable yet barely known.

>>9137554
Had a lot of fun reading it in highschool, espically since it was something a teacher lent to me.

>>9137573
Yeah, I read it when I was a youngster too and I was autistic about telling everyone how much better it was than Harry Potter.
Any other good recs?

>>9137580
For fantasy? Not really, sorry, most of my reading in highschool was 40k because I was a shitter. Ravenor was a fun time though, one of the better 40k trilogies in town.

>>9132584
>reading fantasy or sci-fi
wow how can one be such a pleb i cant i really cant understand

>>9136788
Narutards should be gassed.

Why is modern SFF so pozzed?

Why can a guy like James Ellroy thrive in crime fiction and be showered with praise, yet anyone with his attitudes would be shunned in SFF no matter how talented?

>>9137496
The SciFi list looked much better, until I hit the final two.
>The Memetian
>Ready Player Meme
I don't know why I even bother.

>165 replies
> 50 posters
Wew lad

>>9137891
>literally who
>He frequently begins public appearances with a monologue such as:
>Good evening peepers, prowlers, pederasts, panty-sniffers, punks and pimps. I'm James Ellroy, the demon dog with the hog-log, the foul owl with the death growl, the white knight of the far right, and the slick trick with the donkey dick. I'm the author of 16 books, masterpieces all; they precede all my future masterpieces. These books will leave you reamed, steamed and drycleaned, tie-dyed, swept to the side, true-blued, tattooed and bah fongooed. These are books for the whole fuckin' family, if the name of your family is Manson
Never have the phrase 'really makes you think' felt more appropriate.

there should be a discord

>>9137973
This community used to be a lot more active and popular, but even back then it was still a pretty small group. In small groups the chances of finding somebody who shares your interest in a niche title is slim. Your best bet for finding common ground to talk about things is with more popular titles. So that narrow selection of popular titles that have multiple fans in these threads are basically all that gets talked about, and people with no interest in those just stopped participating. And now the threads are basically just reposts day after day with no new content.

>>9138182
Bad enough I have to read the same stale memes in these threads without listening to nasally teenagers peep them at me too.

>>9137617
At least we are reading. I know from the confession threads that a lot of you (outer lit) don't even read, you just come here for the memes.

>>9136809
>censored for something you are suppose to talk about
>should be happy
I wish joot would enforce banning avatar fags

Anyone read some Diana Wynne Jones? I'm looking at "Archer's Goon" and "Fire and Hemlock" right now. Not sure if they're worth reading

>>9138546
>Anyone read some Diana Wynne Jones?
She's pretty comfy.
>Archer's Goon
I liked it.

Can anyone recommend me more grimdark books? im hooked

>>9138661
What did you read so far?

Look at >>9136300 and >>9134437

>>9138661
>nb4Kevin

>>9138179
Sounds like early Ellison desu

>>9138682
Read Prince Of thornes, A Land Fit for Heroes, Black Company, the emperor's blade, The first law and some other semi grimdark books but I love the real anti-hero perspective "A Land Fit For Heroes" and "Prince Of Thornes" gives. Want the real dark nitty gritty stuff. Didn't see the first chart! gonna look into "The Fifth Season" cheers homie

>>9138715
Try the Tales of Noreela books by Tim Lebbon. First two are called Dusk and Dawn respetively.

>>9138179
>I don't know his work so he's shit
Shape up hepcat.

>>9138687
Vince you know you can suggest some books too instead of memeing.

>>9138720
You have no idea how happy you've made me! Thanks alot man! exactly what im looking for

>>9138715
Malazan, Bakker, Black Jewels Trilogy.

>>9138564
Just read the first chapter of it, it's pretty interesting. Also surprised at how nice it reads - I was a bit wary because of the YA tag but it didn't really feel like one. Very pleasant prose.

What the fuck is Kevin

>>9138782
That guy who keeps making charts with stuff like Brent Weeks on.

>>9138758
>>9138720
Tried malazan didn't fall in taste.
Cheers lads pretty much decked for a long time

Looking to get into Conan. Which editions are best?

When the fuck does it get good? Have I been memed?

Why is every fantasy setting so fucking bland holy shit

Why is it all low-tech with light magic? WHERE'S MY FUCKING CUHRAZY SETTINGS?

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>>9139013
It's compelling from the start, if you don't like it already it's not for you.

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>>9139089
Thanks, mate.

>>9137717
Just like moetards

So what does /sffg/ think about The City of Stairs?
I though the worldbuilding was interesting (especially the religious aspects), but the rest of it all fell a bit flat. It wasn't bad, but definitely not more than a 7/10

Bad review times?

Anyways. I'm a grumpy man, so even going to the end of the book and reviewing it means it's worth reading. Plot is simple copy paste from 2001. Scientists discover alien artefact, and it leads them to rainbow coloured meta experiences in space. Novel parts are that it's set far in the future with different factions striving for and against the pursuit of knowledge. First black spot is that it's titled hard scify when it isn't. It has some technical jargon, but it has no effect on the story, so it's essentially skipable page filler. It's also filled with 'actionscenes straight for movie adaptation!' Then there are totally bland, and one dimensional characters. Two thirds of them are coupled to one another for some slight plot developments. Most of them die for the same effect. While only defining characteristics among them are various trans human appendages. Humanity is apparently lost in time. So there is no pathos, no attachment of reader to anyone of them. Admittedly a theme of 'everything for the goal', plays a part in the novel, but it doesn't excuse blandness that is always present. There's also always present lack of editing, but it's so overpesent nowdays, that nobody cares anymore. Just skipread the filler and you get through the book in no time. The good parts aren't many, but I did enjoy archaeology and worldbuilding. Findings are exciting, history of the world is gradually revealed and shows promise. We are shown glimpses of cities that were built, that rose to gold, and then fell again. We learn of Lighthuggers. Behemoth spaceships so old, that first crewmen spoke different dialects. But that's it. As soon as you think you're starting to enjoy yourself, the good parts end. History and archaeology quickly move over and give place for some cheap action, and predictable, though well written, closure. At least it's sound and final, no cliffhangers or anything.

Two and a quarter stars from ten, with five topmost for the genre and ten to eight unachievable.

I'm curious, how much of /sffg/ is made up of failed writers. It's got to be at least two because I'm counting myself and then stevian

>>9139259
I failed by succeeding the wrong way.
>send the first in a series to an agent
>"This is great! I think this has the potential to be the next Hunger Games!"
>retract my submission
>never touch it again
>been in a rut for two years since

Should I break up with my gf? She read one Sanderson book, then started buying and reading all of them because she loved it

>>9139315
I would consider it, unless she can dismiss them as a guilty pleasure.

>>9139315
Anal, then dump.

>>9139315
Just put the idea of Shallan cosplay sex in her head you fucking mong

>>9139313
Anon, don't be like that. It may have been YA trash but there's a reason the hunger games got so big despite being rehashed and shitting over the shitty romance teenage girls love most. Good execution is good execution, and if they thought you had that then you should have gone after it. I would kill (and I mean that quite literally) to be enjoyed like that

I was doing pretty well as an amateur just a few months ago. I hadn't gotten aything published but I was cranking stuff out and growing pretty rapidly...

Then I got really obsessed with one project and apparently all my skills went to absolute shit, and each successive addition gets harsher and harsher critique. truth be told I'm thinking of giving up writing because I just can't take the heat. Its the same reason I quit drawing.

>>9139315
So, this is the /lit/ opinion on Sanderson?

>>9139376
Pretty sure the /lit/ opinion of Sanderson is that he's pretty standard YA, with a bunch of overly complicated magic system shit tacked on.

Should I disown my sister? She is reading Sanderson but has yet to touch any books that I've lent to her.

>>9139444
see
>>9139338

>>9139420
Don't know man, maybe mistborn and reckoners saga (i didn't read yet).. but the stormlight archive seems pretty based and adult for me.
You don't see the kind of worldbuilding, complex story and characters development in that kind of standard YA (referring of stormlight).

>>9139259
I get excited for projects, consider all of the possibilities, write snippets, and then end up trashing them as I sit and wait for a "new idea" to crop up.

>posthuman fantasy world is being re-originated by sentient magic from a parallel dimension; the protagonist goes from being a doomsday fanatic to a shepherd on a holy pilgrimage to a mecca that's shielded from the pursuant destruction
>fantasy noir detective story from the perspective of a man who is a magical deadzone
>apocalyptic furfag-riddled shithole dredges up the lost civilization of man - in crass attempts at emulating a culture they see as superior to their own, they unwittingly set the stage of their resurrection
>the corpse of god washes up on shore, everything that has tasted of its flesh is now afflicted with the overpowering need to consume the rest, mutating and developing greater divine power with each vessel
>gas station attendant discovers that his occupation is the only thing stopping terrible folkloric creatures from running amok in New Jersey
>world-hopping traveler discovers that every planet's downfall is caused by clowns
>the last humans to ever die before the destruction of earth become invaluable currency for the archdukes of Hell

Can we do fantasy art writing prompts?

>samadhi raver fails to possess lord mhoram at kurash qwellinir
>proceeds to talk shit to mhoram's face at revelstone
>mhoram cracks his skull and then stabs him

how btfo is it even possible to be?

>>9135195
I've got news for you.

>>9139420
The only series by Sanderson I've read is Stormlight Archive and it wasn't at all YA

>>9139911
It's the same i think man, but here in this thread talk about Sanderson as he was another Susan Collins or Veronica Roth. It's fucking absurd.

>>9139911
Sanderson is probably better described as PG than YA

>>9139954
This is pretty accurate. He's a Mormon sci-fi/fantasy writer a la Orson Scott Card. I'm really enjoying his Cosmere super-series, but I'm a slut for any kind of detailed world building.

I was babbling about transhumanism a little bit ago and another anon said I should watch Ghost in the Shell. I'm not really into anime but I looked into the source and realized it came from a manga by Masamune Shirow.

I don't really read Manga either but PKD, Gibson, and Stephenson never really did it for me.

What is some really philosophical stuff involving transhumanism with possibly light espionage and action elements?

I just want to become a cyborg in the future.

>>9139184
I disliked it as well. He set up the two edgy women characters but then undercut them right from the start.

Strangely, I tried Chasm City, his second book in that universe and really liked it. It's more focused, guy-with-a-problem stuff. Solid sci-fi noir.

Buoyed by that I went back to the main series with Redemption Ark and couldn't finish it.

>>9137544
Lyonesse

Hey /lit/,

So my co-worker mentioned that he wrote short stories and sibmitted them to online magazines and the such. When I asked for more details he sent me a link to DarkMarkets which is a place for submitting horror stories.

Now I'm not so good at horror, but I was wondering if anyone lnew of sites similar for sci-fi and fantasy. It'd be nice to get some of my ideas out there and make a little extra cash while I work on getting my book edited.

Thanks for the help.

>>9140109
There's Beyond Ceaseless Skies and Tor, but beyond that I don't know.

I just finished The Foundation Trilogy today. (Figured out the twist like 50 pages before it was revealed, it's obvious in hindsight)
I've read BNW, 1984 and Falhr 451, but that's the sum of my literary sci-fi experience
What should I read next?

>>9139991
if you're in the mood to play a tabletop RPG then Eclipse Phase is pretty fantastic. the lore is great and the universe is very well thought out.

primarily dealing with the horrors of transhumanism, Eclipse Phase explores what it means to break continuity, the social dynamics of a transhuman society and fucking space-nazi killer whales. it's good shit.

Stupid question, but where to start with Sanderson?

>>9140154
As far as I know, Tor.com is closed to unsolicited submissions.

t. someone who submitted to them before they closed and received a kind note in response

>>9138933
The Del Rey ones. They have the versions of the stories that no editorial influences, and have decent illustrations.

>>9139313
Why not just publish that under a pen name and use any earnings to support yourself while you write stuff that you would want to represent you?

How do you lads feel about Michael Moorcock?

I bought ''Eternal Champion'' for no good reason whatsoever

No making fun of his name!

>>9139313
You faggot.

I've been trying for years to get an agent to touch my fantasy novel series. How could you say no to representation like that?

>>9140199
>Michael More Cock

>>9140199
You seem like you'd like Moorcock you faggot

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>>9139013
>if you don't like it already it's not for you
I did not enjoy the series fully until The Claw of the Conciliator. The writing, setting and most characters in the first book are great but Severian is an annoying and unenjoyable idiot most of the time.

Can I see anyone's goodread account here?

>>9139013
You've been memed. I got tricked into reading it too, there's nothing worth continuing on for.

anyone here read books made from video games?

>>9139944
I think it's mostly memers who have never read him. Remember this is still /lit/, and /lit/'s favorite pastime is talking about books they haven't read.

>>9140167
I was told to start with Stormlight Archive, but I've also heard people say Mistborn

>>9140284
Probably, but most of /sffg/ has some kind of standards and won't stoop to that.

>>9136252

I have need for more recommendations

>>9140272
https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/16893254-kevin

>>9140167
Warbreaker, then Stormlight if you liked it. Don't start with a 10 book series.

FUCK HIRO
FIX THE SERVERS

>>9140315
Oh, that's what's happening?

Someone last thread recommended the Dresden files, I'm in the first book.

Does this shit get any better in the next books?

Dresden himself is like a fedora mlady type when it comes to the women in the book.
Except one or two female characters, there was one that was just shallan tier "lul im so witty and hot and can spin circles around you"

Fuck you. This is cancer. I just wanted comfy detective lore about fae and shit. Not 15 year teenage tier comback/dialogue.

Fuck you.

>don't force myself to do things, mindlessly lurk 4chan
>force myself to watch anime thinking it would be better than 4chan
>8000+ episodes in a single year, completely burnt out feel like wasting time because it's become even harder to enjoy series.
I guess it's time to spend it on fantasy now.

As long as it's better than anime, I should be fine for another year.
https://i.imgur.com/r688cPe.jpg

This is a good chart right?

Also am I right to think that the average YA novel is more shallow than the average (non shounen) anime?

>>9140337
>This is a good chart right?
Yes.

>Also am I right to think that the average YA novel is more shallow than the average (non shounen) anime?
I don't know, but none of the books in the image are YA to my knowledge.

Also you should try reading some classics too, most fantasy and sci-fi is pretty shit.

>>9140337
Yeah it's a good base to get started with.

And YA is in a pretty bad spot where it's mostly a market for teenage girls nowadays. So you see a lot of dumb paranormal triangle romances and shit. There's some decent authors for it however like Diana Wynne Jones (author of Howl's Moving Castle your weeb self probably knows).

>>9140342
>most
That goes for a lot of things, though I don't know if it applies to everything.

Non-fiction
"literary" shit
Fantasy
Anime
Movies
Live-action tv series
miniseries

>>9140325
It gets a bit better after the third book, but all your problems are there to stay

>>9140350
Well the saying "Nothing is ever absolutely so" (90% of everything is shit) was first made about sci-fi.
The thing about genre fiction, in my opinion, is that since there's a lot less of it compared to regular novels so if you're really into it, you're going to read some really shit books too and you're going to recognise that they're shit but usually there is some redeeming aspect to them that helps you get through it.
And in the end you'll think that at least there are worse ways you could've spent that time, like shitposting for example.

>>9140337
It's a good chart that isn't large enough.

>>9140363
I honestly don't get what's so good about non speculative fiction. If I wanted daily life I'd experience it.

>>9139991
Deus Ex
Deus Ex: Human Revolution

>>9140325
>comfy detective lore
You're better off reading Sherlock Holmes, or even one of Asimov's robot novels, e.g. Caves Of Steel.

Or you could consider some of HP Lovecraft as a detective story. The Call Of Cthulhu is just a narrator pulling together newspaper cuttings and letters. A lot of them are like that.

>>9140155
I know you have read Bradbury, but the Martian Chronicles deserves to be read, especially if you have read things like Foundation already. It will round out your reading of Golden Age SF, if you want more of that, and it's a collection of short stories that holds up well.

If you want to broaden out, then there is Philip K Dick. Any of the books the Library Of America published is worth reading, not in any particular order.

You can't go far wrong by looking at the Hugo and Nebula winners from around this time. Except I don't rate Arthur C Clarke at all.

After a while you will get an idea of what areas and eras interest you. As for myself, I hard SF boring.

>>9140350
>Live-action tv series

What does this mean

What do you guys think of "The Steel Remains"?

>Bored of sitting around listening to podcasts while doing things
>Decide to start listening to audiobooks of classic science fiction novels
>Start with The Forever War
>So far I find it pretty boring compared to the few other books I've read
>Can't sympathize with the protagonist because he's a smart, fit normie who has multiple girls trying to hop on his cock within the first ten chapters

What book should I try next, anons?

you know, I'm really starting to fucking hate George R.R. Martin with a burning passion.

that nigger has so much shelf retail space it's astounding. At my local chain megabookstore he has three fucking shelves. he has more than Tolkien. He has more than moorcock.

And what does he do? He fucks around and doesn't write. He shitposts on his own blog and gets involved in that R E T A R D E D drama about the hugo awards more than he writes and I'm sick of it.

Game of thrones 1996
A clash of kings 1999
A Storm of Swords 2000

Then he just kind of fucks around. Feast of crows doesn't come out for half a decade and Dance is six years later and 90% poop fetishim.

What the fuck?

Meanwhile I'm reading the expanse and they plan to have written nine books in nine years. They've been publishing since Dance came out and it's just been boom boom bang.

Now I FUCKING KNOW that the expanse is written by two people, but enough is fucking enough. This guy needs to get his throat cut for wasting everyone's time.

>>9140536
That's marketing for you.

Do you guys prefer the written word or prefer watching series/movies?

Provided both are of equal quality.

>>9140593
You are on /lit/, not /tv/. What do you think?

>>9140489
"In filmmaking, video production, and other media, live action is cinematography or videography that does not use animation"

>>9140536

>drama about the hugo awards

What drama? I'm not googling this.

I don't know why anyone takes the dumb awards seriously anyway. I've only bought a book once based on the fact that it won an award and it was about a man with no legs on an asteroid getting gangraped by two other men on said asteroid. Then he murders them, makes their body into a space suit and flies away. It was easily the most retarded shit I've ever read that I've paid money for.

I'm thinking of watching the videos Brandon Sanderson's BYU lectures/classes on Youtube. Is there much insight here? I'd like to write short stories, just to see what I can do.

>>9140597
Does being a regular on /lit/ prevent you from preferring other mediums?

>>9140534
Twilight.

>>9140600

what the fuck book is that

>>9140604
Yes.
And /lit/ death squads will hunt you down if you dare dissent.

>>9140613

It's called Jack Glass and I don't fucking reccommend it in the slightest. It's horrible. The author tells you who the killer is every single time and then sells it on the gimmick that it's not a whodunnit, it's a howdunnit, which is the most retarded thing I've ever heard, because literally every single whodunnit story that ever sold well was also a how and why and where and whendunnit. It's boring, shitty and the worldbuilding is bland beyond bland.

>>9140600

>What drama?

uhh

Side A: "FUCKING SJWS REEEE"
Side B: "FUCKING RIGHT WING SHITLORDS REEEE"

Rinse and repeat and Martin writes 5k long blogposts whining about it.

>>9140633

I was about to come in here and post about how you're oversimplifying it and and how my side is actually being the reasonable one but instead you've given me a lot think about so I'm gonna go

>>9140598

I can't tell what that means

>>9139184
How dumb is the ending battle? You encounter a deathstar planet, you see it kill same ship that you have, and then just because one of your passengers is threatening you with nuke he hay have in his eyes, you attack it, so he could land on it.

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>>9140653
>tfw you hate both sides so you're superior to everyone

>>9140659
How not?

>>9140763

What does it mean does not use animation, is that like 100% of everything that's not anime?

>>9140798
Yes.

How could you not understand that?

If it's live-action, it's not animation.

Can you recommend a good, ideally hardbound edition of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? Bonus points if it doesn't mention the garbage movie it got turned into.

Feminist shite in the traitor son cycle is triggering me

>>9140633
This, only forgot the part where both of them were fixing the awards to their own fitting.

>>9140949
>garbage movie it got turned into
Blade runner is kino.
Awe-inspiring effects and cinematography.
Especially at the time.

>>9140988
Shit writing, shit acting, generally shitting all over Dick's work. I don't like shit on my Dick.

>>9141004
I've never really cared about how adaptions compare to the original works they've been inspired by and judge them by their own merits.
If you're going to fuck the ass you're going to get some shit on your Dick.

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>>9140272
http://www.goodreads.com/user/show/64226861-vince

>>9140467
Fucking dinosaurs got resurrected in 2017.
I thought we killed and oiled all of you in 2016.

On book 3 of the demon cycle series, it's a real slog. Forcing myself to continue just because the first half of the first book was good.

>>9141172
Well that makes you an idiot.

You got me curious abot Prince of Thorns, is it good or just edgy tryhard shock value?

>>9141188
The latter.

>>9141172
Same boat. I hope the book this year fixes everything from the two previous books, and those books were nothing but a money grab by the author filling his pages with filler.

I can forgive him being a greedy sunabitch, I can't forgive him writing shit.

>>9141188
Got bored a quarter of the way into it.

Any good fantasy set in the equivalent of 18th century europe?

First post decides what book i read next.

>>9141230
The Buried Giant

>>9134437
Half these books are shite and the other half are alright.

>>9141214
Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell is early 19th century

>>9141236
Looks boring.

Oh well here i go.

>>9141255
>19th century
Awful century

>>9137357
>Write book about what if the axis won world war 2
>need to think of an ending.
>"Actually, the allies won world war 2, you idiot, you absolute moron."

Any black pill science fiction authors other than Peter Watts?

>>9141530
Tolkien.

>>9141135
Do keep up dear fellow, we're all red-blooded pulp/golden era revivalists now. New storytellers are constrained by the overly sensitive fascist left. Current publishers won't admit fiction which exults the masculine and feminine spirit, or portrays violence as a solution to evil, and so modern SF/fantasy is thin gruel indeed, boring, bloodless and sexless.

>>9141530
Speaking of Peter Watts, loved Blindsight and Echopraxia, how is the rifters triology compared to it?

Want to read a modern fantasy series that isn't overwhelmed by 'muh girlpower'. Send help.

>>9141755

First two books are good.

>>9141762

Genre has been utterly pozzed with the exception of a few aging white male holdouts... need to wait for the Kali Yuga to end.

>>9141714
Why won't an /sffg/er write a masterpiece which has conservative displays of masculinity and femininity?
If there is a real demand for it, then it will sell like hot pockets.

>>9140315
>>9140323

He's rangebanning IPs at random and has nerfed the i2.4cdn mediaserver so that content loads sporadically.

>talk about ninefox gambit somewhere else
>people jump all over me because it has big words they don't understand and doesn't spell everything out with infodumps

>>9140325

Try Matthew Hughes' Hengis Hapthorn trilogy. It's scifi detective crossed with the occult.

>https://www.matthewhughes.org/

New thread.

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>>9141273
Get ready for Philosophy out the wazzu

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>>9140159
I was hoping more for literature, but thank you. The Eclipse Phase thing seems especially interesting as it seems really fleshed out.

>>9140593
I'm a freelance programmer so I watch movies on an extra monitor while I work. It's good audio buzz to stave off the silence.

But when I sit down and watch a movie there is a lot that can be shown and not said that books can't really do. It's a quick example off the top of my head, but All is Lost would be difficult to translate into a book, imo.