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I don't have one because I've seen thousands.

Gee I love those 2 colours and nothing else

What an inspiring painting

let me guess, i just "dont get it"?

>>9046826
There's nothing to "get"

Time to start dumping REAL paintings

not shit a child can do

>>9046816

Garden of Earthly Delights by Hieronymus Bosch.

Realism is shit kek

>>9046832
I love sad uniform sunset man, what a touching work of art.

>>9046829
It's complete nonsense

>>9046816
Why doesn't he paint in the window shade pulls?

>>9046838
That's its strength.

>>9046816
Dunno if this was supposed to be bait or not but I expect a lot of jimmies to be rustled by OPs image

>>9046826
You should see it live. All of his paintings are massive, and they basically always give an extremely strong first impression. If you live in a big city chances are that there's at least a Rothko in one of your local museums. Go see it.

Senpaitachi

>>9046844
>That's its strength.
Nonsense is strength?
What is your opinion of stupidity?

>>9046816
Seriously, can someone explain that to me? What makes this great?

I prefer Magritte or Dali.

>>9046847
>it's good because these 2 colours look great on a really big canvas

I'd rather go see this massive painting live

>>9046826
The very purpose of that painting is simply to trigger people like you.

Always makes me laugh. I love the painting.

>>9046852
Nonsense isn't stupidity.

Is any Rothko work supposed to make sense? Or is it just supposed to exist as an object?

Op here
Posting more God tier paintings. This one is by Nolde

>>9046833

That is some fucking crazy shit.

>>9046858
>it's purpose is to annoy people

yeah right buddy

>>9046860
Nice taste famalam.

>>9046857
>Poorly rendered fags and angels

Northern art is a meme.

It's bizarre people have so much trouble with this.
You'd certainly understand a Rothko if you stood in front of it.

>>9046847
>always give an extremely strong first impression
Funny that no one actually bought the shit when it first came out then, isn't it? Rockefeller and Guggenheim had to pump serious money into the market to get the speculation started.

>>9046869
go back to 2 colours on a canvas, kindergartner

It's like none of the retards arguing one way in this thread know anything about art :thinking:

>>9046857
I may sound patronizing, but trust me, you don't know what you're talking about.
Seeing pic related live is breathtaking, powerful beyond any possible rational explanation.

Give it a try, check if there's a Rothko in your area and go see it.

>>9046871
>As Rothko achieved success, he became increasingly protective of his works, turning down several potentially important sales and exhibition opportunities

>>9046876
says the tard who reacts without adding any value whatsoever

>>9046877
because it is big, that's your reasoning

>>9046859
>Nonsense isn't stupidity.
Yes it is, stupid.

>>9046872
>Child art is bad

Children are pure and have an uncorrupted view of the world. Art and philosophy lament over having lost the pure imagination of children, from Rousseau to Breton.

>>9046876

Okay. What kind of thought goes into a painting with literally two or three shades of orange plastered onto each other?

I'm very curious to know.

>>9046880
Do you have any idea how stupid you sound by saying Rothko or Rembrandt are "shit".
I'm asking for a critique more than "two colors on a canvas" and "northern art is a meme".
No one in this thread is contributing anything.

>>9046883
What?

>>9046886
>It's really hard to do some rudimentary research on Rothko

You're a genius art historian. When's your book getting published?

>>9046859

Why isn't nonsense stupidity?

>>9046878
>important sales and exhibition opportunities
You are talking about money, not art.
Rockefeller and Guggenheim were right, speculate the market high enough, and stupid people will buy anything.

>painting after Malevich
'okay'

>posting anything before or after 19th century
>subject =/= classical or oriental
>not academic
>why desu?

>inb4 art is subjective

>>9046882
Yeah, and you like the painting you linked me only because there are men doing stuff. It is easy to deconstruct art and build a strawman with the remains.

My argument is not that "it's just big": my argument is that when you factor all the elements from his paintings and murales you obtain a breathtaking, powerful, sublime effect.
The dimension of these paintings are part of the piece of art itself, and shouldn't be disregarded.

>>9046891
Sorry I didn't type up an essay on how both Dutch Golden Age painting and High Modernism are good in their own ways since both come from different cultural and theoretical contexts and fulfill the requirements of each accordingly.

It's a meme, non-literature thread. It gets the response it deserves.

>>9046886
Will you relate to me your intense disdain for poetry?

>tfw no qt gf to go to art exhibits with

>>9046894

I'm just asking. I never said I was a genius. For all you know, I could know absolutely nothing

>>9046896
>no one actually bought the shit

Yes I am talking about money because you were.

Who fucking cares anyway? Greenbergian formalism was prevalent for only 25 years maximum.

>>9046898
19th century is literally the worst century for art.

>>9046816
>Rothko
Anybody who likes Rothko has shit taste in art.

>>9046846

I think Gauguins naked natives are literally the only major artworks from this time period that I'm not particularly fond of, i'd almost say they trigger me. Not that they're bad in anyway, just not my cup of tea.

>>9046907

Why?

>>9046907
>>9046908
No

>>9046908
Excellent meme.

>>9046914
It's when the middle-class started investing heavily in art and boy did they have shit taste.

>>9046905
>Greenbergian formalism
WTF?
BTW, that Rothkook picture you posted is upside down.

>>9046916
Wow it's fucking nothing.

>>9046919
I'm not OP.

Artists got sick of Abstract Expressionism 50 years ago.

>>9046918

epic.

>implying the pre raphaelites or the romantics were shit

kill yourself. 19th century had one of the most diverse periods in existence concerning art with the emergence of more modern and classical characteristics all existing in one time frame.

you are a faggot. there is so much to love from the 19th century. muh merchant class isn't enough to discredit it all.

>>9046833

Not by Bosch, but Netherlandish Proverbs is another goodie.

>>9046920
I'm sure you'd rather see some sort of photo-realistic drawing done in software or maybe an anime character.

>>9046931
This is touching, but I don't know why.

>>9046925
Damn you didn't even name good 19th century movements.

>>9046816

Kek

I know A LOT about art and this is the best thing I have EVER seen.

>>9046934
Its like a dream.

>>9046936

they're ones i enjoy, anyone writing off a century of art doesn't actually deserve being taken seriously.

>>9046928
That's basically what you posted.

Fucking plebs

>>9046927
Love Bruegel.

>>9046942
Anyone saying one century is above others likewise doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.

>>9046941
No, that's not it.

>>9046945
Bruegel, Bosch, and that other guy are basically the same guy

>>9046950

Not even. Bosch was one of a kind.

>>9046927
I WAS FOLLOWING THE
I WAS FOLLOWING THE
I WAS FOLLOWING THE

How do I transcend the knee-jerk reaction of just outright dismissing modern art because of its (lack of) aesthetic qualities?

Should I just start going to modern art exhibits and see them in person, or is there some good literature that can help me understand modern art?

>>9046956
What do you mean by 'aesthetic qualities'?

Or even 'modern art'?

>>9046928
>I'm sure you'd rather see
Quit being condescending. Nobody gives a shit about "Modern" art anymore.

>>9046956
I've tried seeing modern art in person and it didn't help.

Goya has too many good ones that i can't choose

>>9046952
Eh, three of a kind.

>>9046961
Spanish art in general has some heavyweights all the way back to El Greco. It's severely underrated.

>>9046816
One trick pony.

>>9046945

This is another goodie. Hilarious.

I miss snow.

>>9046964
No one underrate Spanish art. What planet are you on matey

>>9046957
Fuck off, you know what I mean.

>>9046962

The other two guys were Bosch wannabe posers.

I mean, who else could come up with this meme face?

>>9046964
>Spanish art
Always superb, except for Spicasso. Latin American, especially Mexican, is currently the best. el Greco was a Greek.

>>9046973
Literally no one posts any Spanish art in however many countless art threads there ever are on 4chan except for the occasional Goya.

>>9046981

> 4chan threads are indicative of art criticism

Top kek.

>>9046956
yeah, do it, i love going to art museums, the bad thing is they sometimes place the paintings next to whatever they want and then you have a horrible mishmash of styles and eras that is just unpleasant

it's fun if you go with someone, i went with a qt once and it was fun, we made jokes like pointing at the fire extinguisher and say "look they have a Duchamp"

also i saw a Rothko in person and was not impressed, the guy is shit

>>9046945
i remember this from Tarkovsky's Solaris

>>9046986
I never claimed it was underrated in art criticism. That was your interpretation.

>>9046980
Ya dude! Picasso and his infinite transition, total shit.
I really hate him because. . .
well. . .
um

>>9046961
true

>>9046964
also true. really dwarfs everybody except maybe the Italians
but didn't el Greco spend his formative years in greece? or am i thinking of someone else

>>9046999
hey, neat

>>9047002
sculpture underrepresented in these always

>>9047009

>>9047009
Sculpture is dreadfully difficult to appreciate.
Maybe because you have to look at the result and not the process.

>>9047013

>>9046913
I don't really care that much for Gauguin compared to Cezanne or Van Gogh but that painting has always struck me for some reason.
I think it's the contrast of the primitive or almost Egyptian depiction of the first girl, in which every bodypart is painted in its "ideal" view (chest as seen from the front, head in profile, arm and leg from the side); and the amazing foreshortening of the girl lying down.

*stirner pic*

>>9046957
>What do you mean by 'aesthetic qualities'?

>Or even 'modern art'?
I'm assuming he means conventional aesthetic qualities (composition, anatomy, value arrangement, color harmony, brush economy etc.) and that the term 'modern art' denotes artistic movements from the post-impressionists to present which either found these qualities unimportant or flat out rejected them.

>>9046956
What you're feeling is that it's the role of the artist to communicate meaning using the artistic medium. When the artist expects the viewer to do the work of finding meaning themselves from what appears to be visual noise (usually by reading an accompanying paragraph on a plaque next to the work in question) your instincts are telling you this is in fact a lazy cop-out. The artist is in a way expecting you to do their job for them.

The knee-jerk reaction you're having is your instincts telling that whatever insights you can come to staring at a piece of abstract art that rejects conventional aesthetics are a poor trade off compared with what this approach to art replaced. But thinking along those lines will probably get you called a pleb here.

>>9046981
>Literally no one posts any Spanish art
Underexposed by decadent media.

>>9047016

>>9047015
I should think that makes it easier

>>9046964
Sorolla a GOAT.

>>9047027

>>9047027
It doesn't. It just is underwhelming, particularly when photographed.

>>9047030
that's all I got on this drive

What do you guys think of Tim Patch aka Pricasso? He paints with his weiner

>>9047028
what is she holding

Beer Hall Putsch

>>9046856
I love you, anon. I've been trying to find a high-res image of that painting.
Actually, I've been trying to find a lot of other paintings in downloadable form as well. Magritte is one of my favorite artists, but apparently I suck at locating paintings online. Do you have any more?

Borges sister
Lazy bitch eatin

Turner is my personal favourite

>>9047023
"The artist has done a good job at following traditional aesthetics" is really great insight and is what all artists should communicate.

>>9047050
>insight
meme

>>9047032
I disagree. While, of course, it is impossible to grasp a sculpture in its entirety through photograph (I mean, just look at Bernini's Ecstasy of St. Theresa--it's an entire shrine), a good photographer will highlight particular aspects of the sculpture that make it unique, and focus on those. While, arguably, this creates a new work of art in the photograph, it cannot be entirely separate from the sculpture, considering the inherent nature of photography as a documentary medium

And in person, it's can easily be the most affecting visual medium possible. Except for possibly dance

>>9047050
>traditional aesthetics
non-traditional aesthetics

>>9047052
Doesn't get any better than this

>>9046816
I don't know how it's possible to have one favorite painting.

>>9047006
Nice. That's how places in my dreams often look like.

>>9047033
man, I ended with a Waterhouse?
Fuck, I need to remedy this

Samori's interesting

>>9047066
one more

okay now i'm done

>>9047009
Those were plague years when that was made. It was a common everyday sight.

>>9047084
Very true.
Still quite beautiful

>>9047050
I assume this is sarcasm and if so it is a reductio ad absurdum. The aesthetic qualities I listed are merely tools and can be applied in an endless variety of ways. The implication that nothing new can be derived from following traditional principles is false.

>>9047094
That's nice. Who's the artist? Anyone have a higher res version?

>>9047111
Man, I love that Bacon influenced people who can paint formally. That's awesome.
Thanks for turning me on to this, anon.

>>9047015
i think La Pieta is the most beautiful piece ever created

I'm probably going to get memed on because of this, but this one here is my favorite.

It makes me feel nostalgia, homesickness, mixed with a sense of exploration and mystery. It's one of the few paintings that makes me actively get a feeling when I look at it, and a feeling I don't quite understand. It's like I have to explore my own feeling or some shit. I don't know but it's good.

>>9047124
>get memed on for posting extremely respected painter
n1

>>9047124
Don't ever think popularity=lack of worth
That way lies madness

>>9047127
>>9047133
4chan is known for being contrarian though.

>>9046816
>>9046833
>>9046897
>>9046925
>>9046927
>>9046945
>>9047006
patrician picks

>>9047119
La Pietà*

>>9047139
tfw never 'get' twombly
feels bad man

>>9047145
how can you not 'get' twombly?
his works are so emotionally charged to my eyes

>>9047149
Anything but to mine.

>>9046826
>trying to "get art"
Classic untermensch behaviour.

>>9046826
nice bait. learn something

>>9046816
I like it, but I hope there's nothing to get. I hope it's just about the emotional response it creates. If it isn't then I'm a pleb.

I claim death of the artist.
>>9046835
Fuck you motherfucker

Realism can be fucking God-tier. Veliky Vasily.

What's the painting with the turtles and the dude with the turban?

>>9047139
Holy shit. This is what happens when people who don't understand art feel obligated to create it for whatever reason.

>>9047204
>4chan genius shits on Twombly
Love when these guys go to work

>>9047215
Did I claim I was a genius? The world would be in a very terrible state if it took a genius to see modern """art""" for what it is.
>waah someone shat on a brand I like

>>9047173
Holy shit why can modern art people never say more than "you just dont understaaand"
Let me guess, you actually spent money on an art degree and its all that sunk cost speaking

>Go learn about why 2 colours on a canvas is literally amazing

I love the madness in this devil. It's much better than the mindless chaos you find in medieval hell.

>>9047227
>tfw

>>9047222
You know how you feel when Redditors tell you that Harry Potter is just as good as your shitty poncy """literature"""?

You know how you feel when people tell you that Joyce is just a load of nonsense?

>>9047235
Now tell me how two colours on a canvas equates to Ulysses, actually do it, were all waiting

This is your chance, convince me why

>>9047145
START WITH THE GREEKS

>>9046840
Because he's dead.

>>9046858
No it isn't. The only thing worse than those who think abstract expressionism is pointless are those who think it's great because it's supposed to be a joke.

>>9046826
Could just be about how emotional responses are tied to color in some way, right alongside composition. Incredibly doubtful there's any "deep" message.
There's only three shades of yellow/red there and square-like shapes that can be interpreted in a bunch of ways(and I don't mean metaphorical interpretations). For example: a sunset, sunny landscape, a window or a bed, is what I can see.

>>9047047
My melanin enriched brother of another mother.
I always thought it was weird when people got to emotional over seeing a paint live... but damn if I didn't feel E U P H O R I C AF when I saw a Turner.

>>9047047
:thumbsup:

Its hard to say, really. There are a couple that come to mind.

ITT: Plebs who think abstract expressionism is supposed to have a message.

I'll post a couple while my coffee perculates

>>9046903
>tfw living in a shithole country where there's no real investment in high culture, therefore no patrician museum to visit

At least I have a qt gf who enjoys art, though.

Someone post more Magritte.
Please

>>9047236
>equates
If you had the preconception that all modern art was just meaningless bullshit, then you wouldn't give either the time of day. You wouldn't bother to look into why either of them might be more than what you assumed at first glance.

That's where they equate. I'm not saying the painting is better than Finnegans Wake, because I don't think it is. But that wasn't the comparison I was making.

>>9047342
comfy

>>9047329
Wow never knew van Gogh was such a fucking weeb.

>>9047354
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japonaiserie_(Van_Gogh)

>>9046847
Speaking of seeing paintings live, I bet Monet would be quite the amazing experience.

Part 1/2

>>9047236
Go see his paintings in person, you whiny brat.

>>9046826
You sound like a philistine with a little man complex

>>9047398
Part 2/2

>>9046816
boring

>>9046816
>>9046847
>falling for the social engineering so hard that you like entry level meme artists

>>9046847
>hear this every single time Rothko is mentioned
>one day find myself in an art gallery that happens to have a few Rothko's
>they're still shit

yawn

I've always dug'd this one

Why is Japanese art so much better than Chinese art, and yet so much less interesting?

>>9047414
>n-no! it's a conspiracy by the jews and CIA!

every time with you /pol/fags.

>>9047424
>conspiracies are tautologically false!
>they can't be right no matter the empirical evidence!
>let me mention the jews and /pol/ to make you look like nazis!

>>9047422
>we wuz dragons and samurais and shit

literally fantasy tier

>>9046856
Magritte is wonderful
A great talent but always remained humble, unlike the other surrealist posers
Empire of light is one of my favourites

>>9047433
That's Chinese you dongle.

Fantasy is hugely different from earnest myth even if it has the exact same content because fantasy is aware that it is fantasy.

>>9047035
my diary desu

>mfw when frogposters can't into art

>>9047445
why is her right arm so much more buff then her left?
what was meant by this?

How pleb am I?

>>9047430
Oh I'm sorry, do you not believe Jews are behind the modern art movement? Was it just a plot by CIA to bring down the commies? Please elaborate I can't keep up with all this pseudo-history that completely ignores decades of evolving art history and just simplifies it to one easily understandable factor that conveniently seems to be attractive to extreme right wing people who think all art after the 19th century is "degeneracy".

>>9047452
4i

>>9047424
>triggered Rothkofag
Who is your second favorite painter, Pollock?

>>9047452
So "pleb" that you are no longer a pleb.

What I mean is that to see something special in such a conventionally conventional work of art means that you are patrician.

In other words: only a patrician would love something the plebs would call plebby.

>>9047455
?

>>9047454
No, actually, some people getting very rich off the pretense and gullibility of others is the extent of the conspiracy.

>>9047454
>people who think all art after the 19th century is "degeneracy"
How disrespectful to papa Josef.

>>9047139
i love twombly. but i cant feel a shit to a rothko. someone can explain to me his appeal?. maybe im biased, but i like twombly by his spontaneity, is something i admire and value. but what you see in rothko?. to me is literally too clean and organized and ... what are your personal toughts to like it?. im genuinely curious.

>>9047457
I also unironically like this one. Pretty sure I'm just a pleb.

>>9047456
I prefer Kandinsky.

>>9047445
>posts shitty artist
>you just don't get it :^)
Everytime.

>>9047422
Well in part because Japanese painting became so popular in Europe in the 19th century during the Japonisme craze, that whole swaths of painting from the mid-19th century onward in the West take some influence from Japanese aesthetic principles. Traditional Chinese painting by comparison seems more foreign.

how bleb am i

>>9047480
desu if you can't get art at first glance it's -probably- bad art.

But you can get most of this art at first glance. People just aren't willing to give it a chance.

>>9047472
Looks like an "abstract" high school painting but futurism can be comfy.

>>9047487
That's what makes medieval Japanese art seem so modern, yeah. It's literally modern, in that we plundered it for all it was worth. But I mean in terms of technical quality. It's like Japanese art is technically better than Chinese, but worse in every other aspect.

>>9047472
no one has ever given a convincing argument why it's wrong to be a pleb

>>9047495
desu I think life isn't long enough to avoid being a pleb in everything. But, by the same argument, life isn't long enough to be a pleb in the things you find interesting.

>>9047445
Looks like a ps2 game.

>>9047489
>People just aren't willing to give it a chance.
Yeah, they mostly don't or they have a weird perception of what a good painting must have.

>>9046853
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>>9046956
>>9047061
>>9047280
>>9047298
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>>9047329
I don't know anything about art but i like these and favourite painting would be something from klint

>>9046956
Assuming you mean contemporary art, there's the same problem that anything contemporary has. There hasn't been a few centuries of criticism and curtain to pick out the best, most important influential works. There's a huge mass of works being created and not everything that gets exhibited will be good, and even less will be he best that our era has to offer.

Same problem with reading contemporary lit really. There are other factors of course but this is an important thing to keep in mind.

>>9047488
it's funny because i imagine that at first glance, one would say is shit and looks childish and "i could do it, my 3yo could do it" but the more you look at it, the better it gets, not to mention how hard it is to make that painting, just look at the variety of colours, it's insane, and they still blend together perfectly and it looks absolutely appropiate and pleasant to the eye

i had my tries at expressionism and it turned like shit, you have to have a good trace, you need to have a confident hand in order to paint good

>>9047492
Again, I'd mark that up to how we look at Japanese art today. First, most of the art that the West took inspiration from Japan, especially ukiyo-e, is by no means medieval. Japan had a print industry as complex as anything found in the west up until the 19th century, and much larger urban populations that consumed it.

Actual medieval Japanese elites preferred Chinese painting (and ceramics, really anything Chinese) to locally made, up at least until the Momoyama period in the 17th century. We might like a Sesshu painting better, but that may be because we are so familiar with the little quirks that separates Japanese from Chinese painting, that would have ranked it as good, but lesser, during the medieval Japanese period.

>>9047527
my knowledge about art is very limited but i love expressionism, there's something about it that really resonates with me

>>9047488
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>>9047535
Fauvism was the comfiest art movement.

quite like this one tbqh

>>9047507
you would probably like post-impressionism and art nouveau if you're looking for things to research

>>9046956
believe it or not you're entitled to have an opinion on art as long as you're not like the other braindead faggots in this thread who shit on anything that isn't 19th c. neoclassicism

>>9047541
my nigga

>>9047554
>shit on anything that isn't 19th c. neoclassicism
correction: you can shit on [criticize] any art you want as long as you do it intelligently and not the usual "claim its da JEWs and i'm smarter than U becuz i didnt go to art school and git BRAINWASHED"

>>9047535
it resonates with us perhaps because the modern climate is similar to that which brought out expressionism -- looming political troubles, increasing gap between right and left, polarization between people afraid of non-western cultures clashing with our own and those embracing it, the conflict of technology vs nature, our renewed sense of environmentalism, relative economic prosperity and all the conveniences of modern living and yet people are still spiritually unfulfilled, etc

>>9047567
Going to art school seems like a brave endeavor in this day and age, I don't understand why anyone would criticize someone for pursuing higher arts.

>>9047349

this made me cry like a little bitch when i first saw it live

>>9047567
Let's hope we don't need another Great War to generate the same level of creativity of the Wiemar era had.
>>9047570
I really want to go to the Prado and see the Pinturas Negras.

>>9047580
art school in the US has a bad rep because it attracts certain types of people, but in a good art school those people don't make it past their first few years

they seem to think every university is Yale-tier "degree for the sake of having a degree" where they don't actually teach you anything about art

or they're just /pol/-posters who have never been to uni and think all university are "muh libral propaganda"

>>9047586
reminds me dropping acid at night and watching the sunrise through my window on the comedown

>>9047298
Looks like an Iron & Wine album cover desu.

>>9047586
Incredible d e s u. Can I ask you a question, Anon? Did you grow up near the sea or did you grow up further inland? Like, how often would you see it?

>>9046826
It's 3 colours. Read a fucking book.

>>9047527
You need to have enough work behind you to make something like this convincing.

>>9047403
>only show two of the triptych

>>9047580
Depends on which school it is, but they are mainly shit because of the "anything can be art :)" mindset, which I think is exploited by many students so they don't put enough work into whatever they do and when they leave their small college circlejerk they have nothing.

>Modern Art

Please. The big boys are here.

>>9047590
>>9047616
That's upsetting, not surprising though. I have a decent amount of respect for anyone seeking a way out of dilettantism, but the hubris among people who do not understand art or humanities is sadly something that is naturally dominant in a society where selling your labour is more important I guess.

>>9047598
Grew up about 15 min drive from the sea, and my grandmother lives on a hilltop with an amazing view of the ocean. So it's always been an integral part of my and family's life.

>>9046945
Everything is so elegant and slick, fuckkk
Look at those doggies

>>9047616
once again, minority of schools. observation bias. stop believing anything and everything you read on the internet.

>>9047616
damn just that photo of the guys with the identical drawings is far more striking than pampered white girl "installation" #4157

>>9047623
>posts half a painting of what was essentially just a propaganda piece with no artistic merit

wew lad

Pretty much anything by Ilya Repin

>>9047623
You could at the very least post a good Jacques-Louis David painting.

>>9047606
nope

>>9047631
see
>>9047628

its a stupid image to fool people who don't understand university. every art school has still life studies. contemporary eastern art is very original and creative, with the exception of north korea. and spontaneity is not at all necessary in fine art. even seemingly "spontaneous" pieces of art are often carefully composed and practiced before hand. 99% of time.

>>9047616
How do you even teach originality and spontaneity though?

>>9047661
you don't. it has nothing to do with art school. stupid image thinks because eastern culture represses individual in favor of group, that nobody is original. not true. artist is always original and spontaneous. if not, he would not become artist but stay as a business worker to please his society.

>>9047661
Probably by reversing years of ideological beliefs regarding art which in turn would prompt you to create something new.

>>9047668
>artist is always original and spontaneous. if not, he would not become artist but stay as a business worker to please his society.
This is no longer accurate. Perception of art has changed along with art. With "modern art" came an entirely different attitude.

>>9047628
What I said is first hand experience, I live in a small country and I've been to many schools, wanting to apply and pursue art in this way, which I still do but my heart was broken when I saw what passes in these schools, what kind of people teach there and so on.

>>9047661
You can teach yourself anything if you really want to.

>>9047672
sorry you live in [insert tiny shithole country no one cares about here]

>>9047670
no, modern art emphasizes originality and spontaneity more than any other movement. stop talking.

>>9047680
>no, modern art emphasizes originality and spontaneity more than any other movement
That wasn't the point. The point was that becoming an "artist" no longer has anything to do with displeasing society. Art itself has become a business.

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These paintings are /lit/ af

great thread

>>9047685
I was refuting the image about eastern artists somehow lacking originality and spontaneity, which is not true.

also art does not "become" a business, art does not "become" anything, art is art. there is business around food and all other natural things in capitalist lands but that doesn't mean you can say "eating has become a business"

>>9047455
full circle

>>9047685
art has always been a business. you know what a patron is right

Of the twentieth century fags i like Fontana

>>9047680
>confirmation bias, i-i-i-i mean nobody cares haha
>no, modern art emphasizes originality and spontaneity more than any other movement. stop talking.
It doesn't exactly emphasize anything, it all depends on the author retard. Now reply with some another meme, thanks.

>>9047693
I agree with you but the other guy has a point. Pop Art for instance plays with this idea. Both the work of art as a product and the product or brand as a work of art

>>9047699
don't be stupid, your tiny little unimportant shithole country does not represent the large category "Modern Western Art Education"

and yes, the modernists were concerned very much with originality and individualism. what the fuck do you mean author? we are talking about paintings.

stop being incoherent.

>>9047700
true of course. a piece of art is still a piece of art even if its commercialized. saying "art is business" though is using "art" in the mass noun sense which is of course absurd. not 100% of art on earth is commercialized, not even most of it, and that will never be true.

>>9047699
>that painting

Why not just take a photo at this point.

>>9047111
Shit that's an impactful painting

>>9047720
Its photorealism which means the whole point is to emulate a photo.

>>9047382
It is and even though it's an obvious and uninspired choice, Monet is one of my top three.

>>9047732
thank you captain obvious

Most things by el greco

>mfw qt gf studies art history and has job lined up at one of nyc's most prestigious art galleries
>mfw able to conduct my own academic research in literature and philosophy bc i keep winning grant after grant
>mfw qt gf and i read together at the end of a long day

Fags

>>9047737
I meant its based on a photo already.

>>9047750
thank you captain obvious

>>9047720
Because painting is a painting.
>>9047713
You sound American, are you?
>originality and individualism
Before you were talking about the spontaneity, which depends on the working process of the creator. And there isn't such thing as originality. It's just the lack of knowledge on your side.
>what the fuck do you mean author? we are talking about paintings
Author is an originator, dummy.

this

>>9047732
>Its photorealism which means the whole point is to emulate a photo.
Wrong, /lit/ trully is full of retards that happen to occassionally "read".

>>9047746
and here you are, on /lit/, posturing about your relationship, on 4chan, with us.

>>9047758
I cede that spontaneity wasn't a central tenet of modernism, I misspoke. I don't really know what you're trying to say about originality and individualism not only not being a key aspect of the modernist movement but actually not existing ? what ?

also
>Author is an originator, dummy.
doesn't even make sense.

english must not be your first language because you're very incoherent. and I'm from northwestern europe, tell me what backwater balkan state are you from ?

>>9047768
That pic is supposed to prove me wrong?

>>9047765
I like Hopper a lot. That painting reminds me a little of one of my favorite short stories - A Clean, Well-Lighted Place.

>>9047763
>72x96
paul klee, more like paul I-can't-see

>>9047768
now that poster, but how is that wrong? I'm not well versed in the philosophy in early postmodernist styles.

>>9047792
here's a bigger one, i think

>>9047795
one of my favourite abstract surrealists

>>9047439
Magritte painitings always seemed to me that he had a neat and often funny idea but the paintings were nothing really special to look at otherwise. He was just able to produce his thoughts on a canvas. His mind was more talented than his skill in painting.

>>9047803
Thats true.

>>9047589
early 20th century really was a great time for art, music and with film coming out even more.
Especially film before Hollywood turned it into what we know today to be film.

>>9047720
Apparently because you can mess with the light more than taking a photo.

>>9047783
Everything influences you conciously or subconciously to a certain degree, hence the originality is just things you already conciously or subconciously know, rearranged to a different, and possibly new pattern creating something seemingly original.
But since we can't really measure where the influences for the piece came from, we just say something is original.

>I'm northwestern europe
So am I.
>english must not be your first language because you're very incoherent
>doesn't know what author is

>>9047812
Ironically, Hollywood was the refuge for most of the great Weimar film directors after the Nazis drove them out of Germany.

>>9047422
reminds me of Turner

Nice thread

>>9047803
You just think that because you dislike the static nature of his paintings. Personally I think the almost still life quality of his work adds to the surrealism of his art.

>>9047815
lmao ever heard of instagram filters?

>>9046816
i guess I'm not surprised that plebs are trashing Rothko's color fields. they look like simple color swatches on screen.

In person they're massive canvases, about 20' square, and the colors aren't just a color painted on, it's not yellow and orange and red and black. It's yellows and oranges and reds and blacks, layered and layered, interacting with each other and involving the viewer. That's why they're so stunning, because the depth and immensity. He's done canvases completely in black without ever actually using black and it looks like complete shit online, but in person it's really captivating because you see all the underlying color

>>9047946
Stale meme

>>9047922
Yeah, propably really is the static nature and the often bare simplicity of his paintings. Never said he isn't great just maybe not my favorite.

>>9047946
This

>>9047292
oh wow

>>9047974
>they're massive canvases, about 20' square
> He's done canvases completely in black without ever actually using black and it looks like complete shit online, but in person it's really captivating because you see all the underlying color

saying it is a huge canvas is only impressive when that means that detail was put into the entire canvas not just all painted black.
Sure it is more impactful when you can see the paint sticking off of the canvas not just see the colours on your monitor but that is ttrue about most paintings really.

Any painting by Fred Ed Church really. He's like Bob Ross on drugs.

>>9048042
not too sound to phony but does that image also really make you really feel the temperature, the wind, taste the air,...

Church is really good at that in some of his paintings especially the andes of equador always make me imagine actually feeling the sunlight on my skin just by getting lost in it

>>9047652
meme album

>>9047974
expired meme

>>9048086
We had this painting at the Cleveland art museum and when I looked at it I couldn't stop for a good 15 minutes. The only reason I didn't stay there longer is because my gf wanted to check out other stuff. Every painting I've seen of his is pure ecstasy. I feel like I'm looking from a cliff side and the very meaning of beauty.

>>9047946
kind of superficial interpretation, but I think its true of ANY piece of art that you need to see it in person. people are too used to looking at computer screens and making judgements.

>>9047795
looks like someone we know

>>9048042
wew
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>>9048227
That's pretty funny haha

>>9047744
saw it a bunch of times in toledo

>>9047037
>Beer Hall Putsch
who made that?I cant read the signature.

>>9047204
This is what happens when people see an artwork that doesn't conform to their narrow, non-actualized aesthetic standards

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>>9047946

I love the people railing against abstract art with the idea that they actually understand the centuries old references and nuances of classical painting.
Just because you can recognize the subject matter does not necessarily mean you comprehend the intention.
also how has nobody posted courbet?

>>9048405
go back to posting Oath of Horatii and Wanderer Above the Clouds, pleb

>>9047280
This looks almost exactly like how I imagined Liz Norton's apartment in 2666

>>9048418
Post your favorite artist and we will see who the pleb is.

>>9048418
don't reply to /pol/tards

>>9048453
>/lit/ and /pol/ don't influence each other
Go back to your Harry Potter thread.

>>9047634
>no artistic merit
wew lad

>>9048464
They only do because of /pol/tards that hop back and forth - posting shitty bait threads on /lit/. /pol/ is cancer.

>>9046816
Small dump of some of my favorites incoming. I hope drawings are also okay. I also hope this thread doesn't get deleted.

>>9048493
>implying LITERATURE and POLITICS don't go together

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>>9048513
That's not at all what I'm implying. In fact, I'm not implying anything. I'm out-right stating that /pol/ is a shit board, and /lit/ is better off left to it's own devices. Political discussions included, so long as they relate to the literature at hand directly.

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>>9048407
Nobody posts Courbet or even Manet because they have bad taste.

>>9048980
I think one anon did. I was lucky enough to catch a big exhibition of his works, even the unfinished ones are incredible