/lit/ - Literature

>tfw you find God for the first time

There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad (peace be unto him) is His messenger.

>tfw you see a nice pair of tits

>>9046607
>writing the prophet's name

haram

>>9046608
I was just listening to this man's music today. hell, I might just put it back on, now.

>tfw you realise there is no evidence either for or against a god, and it's generally better to live life thinking of other things

>tfw you realise that God backwards is Dog

>tfw you grow out of atheism

God is shill.

>>9046645

You can only say there's no evidence for god if you narrowly restrict the term evidence to only mean direct empirical evidence. This is nonsense because there is no direct empirical evidence or scientific experiment that can prove the belief that all true beliefs must be validated with the scientific method. This is called scientism and it is ultimately self-defeating.

>>9046589
>tfw you realize god is not the abusive father in heaven you feared as a kid that made you go edgy atheist and he's actually everything and always with you and his infinite light fills your heart with love for your fellow sentient beings and the cosmos and you're not even on weed or psychedelics

>>9048314
What if I have decided that I will base my understanding of reality on the sensory information I receive, both directly and via external instruments? I assert that if my senses are significantly incorrect about the world that I live in, this is first of all inconsequential (because I will fail to sense any """true""" world if it isn't this one) and second of all impossible for me to determine.
With these axioms empiricism is objectively correct.

>>9048350

I don't care what you do.

>tfw you realize it doesn't matter if God is real or not, belief transcends ontology

>>9048364
You'll care when I give you a knuckle sandwich you piece of shit

>>9046589

What made you realize, OP? Share it me: I would like to believe and be happier for that.

>>9046589
>tfw you realize that you actually are substantially more intelligent than religious people and it's not just a fedora meme

>>9046589
>tfw you realize that god can defy arbitrary human logic
>tfw you see all the brainlets trying to argue with god's ability
>tfw you realize that we're all flesh puppets with a piece of god in em

feelsgoodman

>>9048380
Not OP, but its the kind of thing that dawns on you during/after a certain kind of moment/event.

You need to experience it in your own life, you can't just read someone else's account and feel the same thing.

>>9046589
which god?

>tfw i must have pissed god off when i was heaven
>tfw no gf
cmon god lend me a bone m8

>>9048389

While I do believe that one that presents more natural and raw intelligence and also access to information would likely be more skeptical and logic-oriented and thus be more prone to be less religious, to me the real determining aspects of religious belief are:

>Emotions

And

>Upbringing

The emotional aspects has to do with fear, self-love, egotism, self-preservation, and other aspects that is natural in most humans. One always find in the end of religiosity a desire to keep existing, to be reunited with the loved ones, to see the wrong-doings of the world explained and punished. The will to exist is so strong that most people simply can’t accept that they will fade away, or that people that they love will fade away.

The other aspect, upbringing, is simple: we are in ourselves mostly what we have absorbed from our parents and relatives and also our society and our time. That is true for many things, and religion is just one more example.

So I guess that intelligence might be a factor (especially on our time, after the findings of Darwin and of modern physics), but is not the only one, not even the main one.

>tfw when you don't need to pretend an outside ethereal force for good exists and cares about you in order to give your life meaning

>>9046589
>tfw you realize God is real
>but the Self will be annilated upon death
>cannot compartmentalize
>cannot become religious
>have to face the inevitability of death
>each moment is at the threshold of existentialist panic
>stuff like transhumanism is just another way of coping with the inevitability of death, in a way very reminiscent of religion
>you'll never be a cool immortal android
>you'll never "upload" your mind
>you will die
Feelsgoodman.exe

>>9048350
you'll misconstrue what you're actually experience, which is a world embedded in context, not objectively watched from outside.

But you'll be fine, all in all.

tfw god might be real but you've come this far without him and you don't really see a reason to bring him into the fold so it doesn't really matter

>>9048320
Yes, getting high on religion is pretty common

and pretty weird

>atheists will never know this feel

>>9048433
feels good
feels like freedom

>>9048350

Philosophically that doesn't make it "objectively correct", you're basically saying that the questions about it are too hard to answer so you want them to go away. I'm a scientist as well but be a real nigga.

What do you guys think about the fact that people with higher education tends to be less religious than others?

Don´t want to sound like a dick, I´m genuinly curious.

>>9049275
>(((higher education)))

>>9048369
>tfw you realise that beyond the ontological and metaphysical world, there is still another world yet

>>9049282
great post man, keep it up, very impressive post. Great attribution, /thread right here

>>9049275
>tfw too smart for religion

He's right though, regardless of whether it's true or not, basing your beliefs on faith isn't something smart educated people tend to enjoy. Their education biases them away from simplicity.

>>9046589
>when you successfully regurgitate the kingdom of god

>>9049275
>People with higher education

You know you sound like a total dick saying that.

God is not an object, not a thing ('res'), and so cannot be 'real'.

>>9048380
>>9048413
Agreed, the leap of faith is a transcendent and ineffable moment - as ineffable as God himself.

>>9049275
It makes sense. There are more atheists, Marxists, and left-wingers in higher education, because only an educated person sees these are the correct positions to have.

>>9048413
>>9049466


lol, you people just succumbed to fear

Fucking cowards: just admit that you're going to disappear, that you're not that important, and move on

>>9049507
Ok. Just admit that succumbing to fear is not a bad thing since our lives are so meaningless.

>>9049527
Sounds like you're admitting these people are deluding themselves out of a crave for meaning.

>>9049507
Can't speak for everybody but my experience had literally nothing to do with fear.

I don't know why you would assume fear of death to be a great motivation for believing in God anyway. The thought of final judgment before God after death isn't exactly a comforting one.

(Not saying that a belief in God requires a belief in final judgement, btw)

>tfw you took the BLACKED pill

>>9046589
the question that's been bugging me for years is not whether there is a higher power, but if it is, properly speaking, God, and if it's the Abrahamic God at that, and which of the variations it might be

>>9050048
>if it's the Abrahamic God at that, and which of the variations it might be

A lot of people get hung up on this but its really not much of an obstacle.

For instance, different ancient groups had different explanations for things like the sun, wind, dreams, consciousness etc. In every case they were all describing the same thing in different ways.

Have you never entertained the idea that all of these different Gods are just varying explanations of the same being?

>>9050059
well yeah, sometimes I think that's what it is, but a lot of groups have conflicting ideas about what the force behind it all is and does and means

>tfw you realize that going from theism to atheism is a necessary step in truly coming to understand God
>tfw you realize atheism is only a brief intermediary step of maturation so that you can come to faith on your own terms
>tfw you embrace the divine fully without any of the fear, anger, ego, or need for an afterlife that accompanies the false faith of being "born into" a religion
>tfw not even restricted by particular belief systems and embrace the divine in both Western and Eastern religion
>tfw have reached ultimate contentment

>>9048314
This.

If god is real why didnt he create other races on other planets? What creator would stop at one race of living beings, especially one that continues to degenerate

>>9050126
Try to look at this same question from a non-human perspective. Computers, or computer like objects, are always good for these kinds of thought exercises.

Imagine the universe as a computer like object, which has been tasked with generating a line of unique code that self replicates, until it is complex enough to become self aware. This code is represents human life, within the computer-like universe that represents the universe.

Now imagine that it is very hard to come up with the initial set up of the computer like object that, once you turn it on and press go, would create this kind of unique code. This code is so rare and so unlikely to be generated, in fact, that God has set up millions of these computers, each with slightly different circuitry, numbers of switches, etc, until he has enough of them set up to seemingly guarantee that at least one of them will generate this unique self-replicating code (human life) when turned on and set into motion.

This is where it gets relevant to your question. Just like life on earth has a net mass and net energy that is almost infinitely small when compared to the net amount of mass and energy in the universe, this unique code would be made of mere bits of information, which would require amounts of mass and energy that seem almost infinitely small compared to the mass and energy required by the computer-like architecture that produced it. Not to mention the other million or so computers required to ensure that the line of unique code was created in the first place.

So here was have an example of a logically functioning scenario where something that is deemed important takes up an almost infinitely small portion of the greater whole that produced it, which is comparatively much less important. Just like how our race, which we are assuming to be important, takes up an almost infinitely small portion of the universe, which we are assuming to be unimportant.

>>9046650
Underrated post.

I consider myself a deist/Spinozist in a way.

>tfw you realize you are your own god

>>9046589
>55 replies
Jesus wept, /lit/.

There is only one transcending absolute which weaves itself in every fate and that is irony.

Does it occur to anyone that maybe humans are predisposed to be spiritual? That these transcendent moments are just a function of our brains and they happen to keep us happy? Our perception of anything is ultimately all taking place in our head, all the sensations are picked up externally but processed internally. If you can't give any other justification than "I felt it" then I believe that you felt it. I just don't believe you felt something that exists tangibly outside of your head.

>tfw you realize you are god

God is dead sweetie pie

>>9046589
God is a social construct keeping me from away from happy life.

>>9050705
At its psychological root it is a sense of self importance and longing for grandiosity and meaning that fuel spiritual mumbo jumbo.
It betrays an existential despair which has not yet been reconciled and relegated.

A beautiful machination of irony that one of the most portrayed tenants of spirituality is a loss of self-interest or ego when it is the very thing desperately driving it forward in the first place unbeknownst to those who fancy themselves to have some sort of 'greater insight'.

>tfw you realise Socrates was right about everything

>>9050705
pic very related

>>9050815
underrated post

We should create a religion that embraces this egoism, instead of pretending to be humble. What do you say, /lit/?

>>9049507
Its not fear in my case since i believe in God and i also believe im gonna dissapear.

I dont believe in the christian or islamic god though so i dont know if i fit in this thread.

>>9051056
You mean like Stirner or like pic related?

Either way, why reinvent the wheel when we already have options?

>>9046589
I hope all of these posts about finally finding God are true. You guys are giving me hope.

>>9046608
>tfw you finally see that the nice pair of tits are God

>>9051119
>You mean like Stirner or like pic related?

I don't know, we'll have to figure that out. Definitely not Stirner though.

>Either way, why reinvent the wheel when we already have options?

The current options suck ass

>tfw you didn't fall for the "god is real" contrarian meme

Okay, as long as you fruit-loops keep to your containment thread.

Wouldn't want any of you getting drool on a real book now.

>>9051056
>you trust the chemicals in your brain to tell you they are chemicals.

But we don't 'trust', we know. We have proofs that tells are how these chemicals processes work, and we can build new knowledge upon the older one.

That's the difference between not being able to advance the state of knowledge of the world for centuries and being able to create drugs to heal illness.

>>9046589
>tfw you realize he wrote the best selling book of all time
>tfw you realize he's the most successful author of all time and space

>>9051385
how do you know?

>tfw you finally take the irrational universe pill and become comfortable in your fumbling, blind, madness

>Being stupid enough to believe in any god

>>9051218
Oh they are real but real in the way of this picture

>>9051056
"I dont trust chemicals to tell me they are chemicals but I trust spirits to tell me Im a spiritual being"

>>9052128
that doesn't say that though

What if the act of faith in God is actually God

>>9051385
pure ideology

>>9052128
>having this little reading comprehension

>>9046600
feels good man

>>9046589
>when you're so scared of reality you manage to meme yourself into the dated beliefs of a bunch of Jewish peasants just to shield yourself

tfw you realize we are survival machines for self replicating molecules and believing in gods or having a higher purpose is just silly

>>9051500
And he is still shit.

>>9050048
Is that even really a question though? If you're not a moron and accept that generally speaking the present configuration for the homo sapiens brain has existed for tens of thousands of years, why in all of good fuck would a deity only reveal itself to its supposedly "most beloved" creation within the last two thousand years? And just wiggling your fingers and saying "hurrr you can't BEGIN to understand GOD'S motives" isn't an answer, it's a cop out

I don't believe in god purposefully so that I will go to hell and receive all the torment I deserve.

>>9046589
>tfw you realize the concept of God can't be fully comprehended by the human mind and any attempt to do it will always lead to something incomplete and over-simplified

>>9052731

>>9048425
dont say stuff like that, like "lend me a bone"
ya never know when God's gonna send ya a gay to grant ya wish

>>9051385
but dude *lights blunt*

you don't know that *puffffff*

>mfw I realise I am God

>>9046619

It's not though.

>>9052957
then how come I can't go to bed?

>>9051385
>we don't trust
>we know

>>9048425
Shower, work out moderately, and go talk to people.

If you don't know how to talk to girls, or feel anxious, there's nothing wrong with that. But then read up on how to talk to people, and study and apply techniques on how to deal with anxiety. You can do it.

Go to places. Hang out with people. If you have a hobby, join a club. Considering where you are, a book or writing club mighy be a good idea. you know any girls already, ask them feedback on your attitude. Don't take what you hear personally.

And if you have any crushes, ask them out (as long as they're single) instead of fantasizing. The worst that you'll usually get is a no.

(Say something like "Hello. I think you're really cool. Wanna go on a date sometime?" Doesn't have to be fancy.)

And if you screw up any of the above, that's okay. Try again tomorrow. Take baby steps.

Because God only helps those that helps themselves.

>>9052435
People have been having spiritual experiences since as long as we know, at least 20,000 years. Every culture has supernatural beliefs. You're too narrow in your conception of God.

>>9052984
>Because God only helps those that helps themselves.
Corrected translation: if you help yourself then you are helped.

>>9049275
I've just done three years of research on this, surveyed over 2000 people and not found any pattern that suggests higher education = less spiritual beliefs. This includes beliefs in God/Higher Power and also beliefs in afterlife, soul, etc.

>>9049282
>>9049413
Insecurity detected. Black belt is "higher" than brown. It makes sense to describe it this way, people know what is meant by it. But by all means keep pissing in the wind if it makes you feel any better.

>>9046607
>there is no god but god
wow nice

>tfw you started contemplating the Jungo-Platonic forms of pure Being

>tfw you realize God is real and that he's a fucking asshole

>>9046645
>tfw when you don't get triggered when atheists say smug comments considering they hate jesus and will burn in hell for eternity no matter what

>>9052731
we call it light

>>9048442
>but the Self will be annilated upon death
>annihilated

More like outgrown.

>>9050705
>>9050815

This is only if your idea of Spirit or Transcendence boils down to simply not dying in the Materialist meaning of the word and continue being your present Self in a video game-like environment governed by a parent-like entity. This kind of thinking is all but Materialist.

In my experience, thinking of these things, not to mention God, has scared me like nothing else. It's like Mentally looking into the sun.

>Tfw 35mg of 4-aco-dmt and you realize conciousness is infinite

>>9050105

>>9049471
They see it that way because they're more detached from themselves and so see themselves as small and insignificant, like a object and so believe in materialist philosophies. Not because of any proof.

>>9052731
The same applies to literally everything unless you're capable of perfectly visualising it down to a subatomic, quantum foam level.

>>9052947
Yes plz that would be preferable. If God could send me a qt /pol/, /lit/, and /fit/ approved bf to bone me that be ideal

The term God is so loosely defined that it is meaningless to claim belief in it.

>>9053883
I'm an agnostic, not an atheist. I truly believe we can't know, and I don't do leaps of faith of any kind.

>>9050705


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_gene

>Based on research by psychologist Robert Cloninger, this tendency toward spirituality is quantified by the self-transcendence scale, which is composed of three sub-sets: "self-forgetfulness" (as in the tendency to become totally absorbed in some activity, such as reading); "transpersonal identification" (a feeling of connectedness to a larger universe); and "mysticism" (an openness to believe things that remain unproven, such as ESP)(This is an incorrect definition of mysticism). Cloninger suggests that taken together, these measurements are a reasonable way to quantify (make measurable) how spiritual someone is feeling.


I don't subscribe to the idea that there is a God gene but the analysis in here is useful for understanding what spirituality does for someone. For me the same thing can be achieved through ideology, it doesn't have to explicitly allude to something religious but there's always at least an implicit magical element to ideologies which allows for the same process to occur.

>>9048314
I don't trust evidence that I can't see or hear; holy books, purported miracles or 'feelings' will never convince me. I'm happy as an agnostic.

>>9051996
this desu senpai

>>9050815
This is correct.

>he doesnt own a pocket bible to carry with him everywhere

plebs

>>9051056
>We should create a religion that embraces this egoism, instead of pretending to be humble. What do you say, /lit/?
But "Bob" already made if for you, anon.

>>9050105
I'm going through this right now.

Recommend some reads.

>>9054150
Confederacy of Dunces

>>9051385
>he thinks he can "know" the ultimate nature things

Cute

>>9049288

>tfw god is real but you're smaller than a germ in his vision and he couldn't give a fuck about you or humanity in general

>>9054118
this isn´t a cringe thread

>>9048475
>doesn't realize God has been with you

Are you all deists?

I really can't see any way for me to ever be spiritual but I don't mind if other people are. However, I think intelligent believers would naturally be deists and not theists. I don't mean to come off as hostile towards theists, I'm just interested in your thoughts.

>>9048314
>You can only say there's no evidence for god if you narrowly restrict the term evidence to only mean direct empirical evidence.

>you can only say there's no evidence if there's no evidence

strong meme

>>9049471
>Smug pseud posts stupid comment

>>9054343
Kek

>>9046589
>tfw Solipsism makes me God; and all of you fuckers are me viewing the universe subjectively.

>>9054343
>keeping the word of god by your side always
>cringe

pick one

>but... How do you KNOW
superb argument /lit/, /sci/ absolutely BTFO!

>>9046589
The fact you didnt post the actual gif shows god isn't real

>>9053974

>I don't trust evidence that I can't see or hear

I used to act like this too but then I realized how inconsistent I applied this principle in practice, because if I applied it universally I couldn't accept any mathematical theorems or statements like "dark matter exists" because we can't see it or interact with it. On the subject of religion I was limiting myself to only things that I could see and hear while at the same time completely disregarding things that other people see and hear. It made no sense. Because of my biases I was applying a standard of evidence that I wouldn't apply to any other subject of study, and it ultimately made me worse off.

>>9054487
Why post the animated version when you already know the outcome and the intention?

>>9054513
why live when you already know the outcome and intention

>tfw when you are an idealist theist
>tfw when atheists are just to dumb dumb to comprehend

>>9054522
Right

I'm friends with some people who claim they've seen ghosts and believe in the Abrahamic God

When we get high together they tell stories of their supernatural experiences and then ask just how I can be atheist against such obvious proof

If you either earnestly believe the God of the Bible/any worldly religion and think you've seen spirits and are unironically afraid of playing with a ouija board then I suggest immediate suicide.

>>9054563
>we get high together
I suggest immediate suicide.

>>9054513
Because I am autistic and nitpicky about the quality of memes on here.

Please meme better next time.

>>9054563

Yeah I'm sure that happened. When I was an atheist and I talked to theists we would always talk about objective morality, the existence of the universe, or the apparent fine-tuning of the universe, or even the historical facts surrounding the life and death of Jesus Christ. Not once in all my life has anyone ever tried to convince me to believe in god because they were visited by an angel that night they got really hammered, nor did they even dare to call such testimony evidence.

>>9048320
That's literally me desu

>>9054415
>mirror

Will any of you tell me which text led you to finding faith? I'm not trying to troll or anything, I'm just genuinely interested in religion.

>>9054962

>>9054962

Start with the Dominicans.

In all seriousness you should probably start with some basic apologetic like CS Lewis, GK Chesterton, Scott Hahn, Frank Sneed, or Trent Horn. A good rule of thumb is to avoid protestants but that's my bias. Once you have a good foundation and understanding of theists believe and why then you can start moving in on Aquinas, but not directly. Read Neo-Scholastics like Edward Feser because Aquinas himself is extremely difficult to jump into.

>>9054978
>>9055024
Thanks, I appreciate it.

>>9049990
Sounds like you're admitting that your nihilism annihilates any platform from which you might judge the views of others.

>>9046650
Now I must go, to the Root of all things.

That moment when you realize that Pascal's wager is fucking retarded because religion(s)

>>9055024
I can appreciate apologetics, smart Theists are nice people.

>>9052265
:o

>>9049348
but you dont ask questions to god anymore so his point is dated

>tfw some people have no spirit

>And when We saids to the angels, Be submissive to Adam, they submitted, but Iblis (did not)... (V. 2:34)
>[commentary] What is the significance underlying the refusal of Iblis to submit to man? As shown in the last footnote, the angel's submission meant that man could control the forces of nature by his knowledge of things... but he himself is part of nature, and he could not conquer his own evil desires. His advancement lay in two directions, the conquest of nature and the conquest of his own self

>Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve. (V 2:62)
>Those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sbeans and the Christians and the Magians and the polutheists - surely Allah will decide between them on the day of Resurrection. Surely Allah is Witness over all things. (V. 22:17)

>When you realize Islam is based

>tfw you realise Stirner's logical conclusion is that you are God

>>9055355
Islam is not based, it's a moronic Mormon/Scientology-tier totalitarian cult.

>>9050105
>tfw you realize atheism is only a brief intermediary step of maturation so that you can come to faith on your own terms
>so that you can come to faith on your own terms
this is good

>>9050105
>>9055466
Very good posts

Are Theists the new Atheists?

>>9055493
No, it is the post-secularists

>>9055462
Did you not read V 2:62? How is that totalitarian. sadiq?

>>9055499
I judge people by their ACTIONS, not their words.

>>9055231
This

>I was an atheist and then I started BELIEVING because I FOUND GOD through EVIDENCE
If you are seriously like this I suggest that you leave and go to reddit. You don't belong on /lit/ if you are that fucking stupid.

>>9046589
god bless OP, finally decide to watch the movie that pic is from and its great =)

>tfw the cultural zeitgeist now revolves around post-atheism/post-secularism.

soon we will deus vult

>>9054489
>other people hear voices therefore invisible voices exist
>lack of evidence for god is the same as believing in scientific hypotheses and logical conclusions
wew lad

>>9050705
Weak people require some sort of religion, be it Christianity or some sort of ideology like liberalism, communism, platonism, etc

Strong, great men transcend the need for life-denying spirituality.

>>9055552

I'll bet you're one of those great strong men too.

>>9052313
>when you think all ancient people were dum-dums for no good reason

>>9055504
If you mean radical islam, then you must understand it was created in response to and often supported by European forces in the region.