/lit/ - Literature

Repostan from earlier thread
I want to take a break from regular literature and am looking for something really stupid and fun. Like the book version of Gurren Lagann. Anyone got something or me?

One thing, as a narcissist, that bothers me. Is the lack of disturbance towards my haters in /sffg/. Seriously, it's like nobody considers them. Especially given how little of a choice they had in being such insufferable worms and their parent's unwillingness to go on with the pregnancy. It's terrible horror shit. They're demeaned, inhuman, fucked up creatures. They break my ego in microfracutres. It's just, awful through and through with no positive elements.

But I don't like how they aren't explored, demented and subhuman trash I have no choice but to be forced to interact with is a concept I don't that's ever been handeled well or properly. Maybe it's me, it's a deep seated fear of not being understood, that men's blissful ignorance of my qualities, or just their mindless "memeing" in the present, override my own autonomy and emotions towards myself, making me feel like I don't see in myself the perfect human being that I am anymore.

I don't know what I'm saying. I just wish you maggots would stop constantly posting "Le epic pregnancy copypasta!", and not facing the grimey slimey disturbing bullshit you are. Or how I'm forced to deign myself by those believing its acceptable to have my stupid ideas criticised, and for some people, and for many people, this appears to be the case. This was even more prevalent in the past because of those fucking dinosaurs lmao.

>>8907249
what in the hell is this shit you are spouting?

>>8907223
What is some decent fantasy with some real fucked up things. I feel like my time on various boards have got me desensitized to experiencing "dark" things vicariously.

I guess I'm asking for some GRI tier things. Maybe torture in it, Definitely death though. Just something that'll make me want to stop or something that might actually make me stop reading for a second to think "what the hell"

All of this without being sounding like some edgy teen or without it feeling too tryhard

Any good fantasy novels with a girl as protagonist?

>>8907232
Fluke, Lamb, Fool or A Dirty Job

Both from Moore.

Mogworld from Croshaw, he's trying to prevent the world from being turned into an MMO.

>>8907311
Glen Cooks fifth "Black Company" Novel; " Dreams of Steel " has a female Protagonist, or even two. Though you'd posibly have to read the fourth one, " Shadow Games " as well, as these two directly foot on one another. This is basically military (High)Fantasy

Naomi Noviks " Uprooted " also has a female protagonist and is a modernized interpretation of slavic folklore, it has a very fairy-tale esque feel to it and is relatively low fantasy all things considered.

>>8907311
I've heard The Traitor Baru Cormorant is a decent read. I haven't read it myself yet but I'm sure there are those who will agree.

>>8907311
for Fantasy I can also recommend C.J.Cherryh " The Paladin ", which follows a female protagonist and her old mentor in a not!China/Japan fantasyworld

for (SciFi)Fantasy I'd recommend C.J.Cherryh "Downbelow Station" as well as "Rimrunner" which both run in the same universe but can easily be read separately of each other.

>>8907321
What is the difference between high and low fantasy? If you could, explain it in your own words rather than copy pasting a definition. It;ll help me to understand.

>>8907333
Low fantasy has comparatively way less fantastical elements than high fantasy.

Like ASOIAF compared to Malazan.

>>8907311
Lirael. Though Lirael is the 2nd book in the series, Sabriel comes first, and also has a female as protagonist and is good. Lirael is better though.

Also The Liveship Traders Trilogy has a lot of characters, but probably slightly more than half of the main ones are females and one of them is a qt young teenager.

To the person who said Kahlan is your waifu: Why in the world? She's so bipolar that if the series were written by a Japanese author she could be mistaken for a cookie cutter light novel tsundere.

>>8907333
High fantasy simply has a higher presence of magical/fantasy elements. It's a pretty arbitrary line.

>>8907333
hey :)
> Low Fantasy has little fantastical elements, which impact the world little to none

> High Fantasy has very many fantastical elements, which can have earth shattering implications

this is the most basic description I can provide, and of course it's all on a scale :)

Anything that features mother-son incest? Brother-sister would do, too.

>>8904118
>>8906766
All I know is this actually does sound badass to me:
>Gormenghast, that is, the main massing of the original stone, taken by itself would have displayed a certain ponderous architectural quality were it possible to have ignored the circumfusion of those mean dwellings that swarmed like an epidemic around its outer walls. They sprawled over the sloping earth, each one half way over its neighbour until, held back by the castle ramparts, the innermost of these hovels laid hold on the great walls, clamping themselves thereto like limpets to a rock. These dwellings, by ancient law, were granted this chill intimacy with the stronghold that loomed above them. Over their irregular roofs would fall throughout the seasons, the shadows of time-eaten buttresses, of broken and lofty turrets, and, most enormous of all, the shadow of the Tower of Flints. This tower, patched unevenly with black ivy, arose like a mutilated finger from among the fists of knuckled masonry and pointed blasphemously at heaven. At night the owls made of it an echoing throat; by day it stood voiceless and cast its long shadow.
So it would be a shame if that recommendation was merely intended to meme.

Thanks to the other posters for the continued suggestions anyway, I'm not a fast reader so I think I'm pretty much set for months at this point.

Where should I start with Jack Vance? I've heard a lot of good things about his work, but I'm not particularly experienced with his kind of pulp fiction. Ideally something fantasy would be good.

Somebody discuss Xeelee: Endurance with me.

>>8907363
>Lirael is better though.
What makes you think that? I just finished reading the trilogy and think that Sabriel is considerable better, both the protagonist and the book.

>>8907311
Try The Emperor's Souls, I am reading it right now and enjoying it a lot.

>>8907485
I started with dying earth and enjoyed it greatly

>>8907517
I've read pretty much everything fairly recently (Sabriel, Lirael, Abhorsen, Clariel, Across the Wall, To Hold the Bridge, and Goldenhand) and while I like his stuff, it has a tendency to come across as a little bit young adulty. It's very fast paced and doesn't let you settle with the characters for very long. Sabriel did this quite a bit, moving very quickly and though it was still enjoyable I wished it'd take the time to slow down and describe what was happening a bit more. The opening to Lirael cures that complaint entirely, as we follow Lirael's despondence in the Clayr Glacier and it causes us to root for her as she ventures deeper into the library.

As for the characters, well I can't really say for certain who I prefer. Sabriel was a little bit too good at everything for my liking, whereas Lirael started off useless and overcame her trials by learning and accepting outside help, so I guess I'd also have to say Lirael.

>>8907311
Equal Rites

Why do you read sci-fi/fantasy instead of classics like East of Eden?

>>8907485
>fantasy
Lyonesse

>>8907656
East of Eden is a fantasy novel.

>>8907681
have you read it then?

Any good recommended dystopian novels?

I already read:
>1984
>The running man
>Farenheight 541
>Logan's run

I started reading brave new world buts it's boring as fuck

>>8907716
Brrave new world by Huxley
After that read Brave new world revisited
And to clean your pellet go for Island by the same author.

>>8907744
I'm two chapters in and I'm not that into it. Does it get better?

Anyone else here read the Mars trilogy? I listened to them a couple years ago. The first was ok, a bit heavy handed with the ecoeconomics crap, general proselytizing, and character development. Thought it might get better in the other books, but no. Shouldn't have really been surprised based on what I've read of the author.

Really, I can't remember anything of it besides a bunch of too good for themselves scientists making proclamations about martian lives matter and leave mars alone.

>>8907759
Much. I'm a hard scifi fan though, so I love all that biology shit, but its the weakest bit of the novel really

Also try We by Zemyatin

>>8907759
Well it is not really a long book and I think it is worth following trough. Expecially in BNW Revisited which is written 25 years after the first one Huxley has some pretty interesting points about development of society (in the 60s, he would be horrified or really excited in the 21st century).

Also Island is his idea of ideal world and I really like that one. And it is important to read at least BNW as the distopian story to appreciate it.

>>8907262
Bakker's The Second Apocalypse is the king of GRI

>>8907773
I read the first one and liked it, but for some reason I didn't go on and read the sequels. I think because it was so thick and heavy and the old characters don't continue in the new books I lost my motivation. Also it seemed inherently less interesting to read them do the same things they did in the first book (ie, Martian rebellion) but over two books instead.

>>8907684
I watched the anime adaptation, Eden of the East.

>>8907787
Some of the actual science stuff was interesting and how he would describe the landscape, but all his stuff about politics and the character development just seemed like too much.

I'm a pretty much hardline conservative as far as politics go, so the idea of economics should be dictated by nebulous ideas like its environmental impact (especially considering on a planet like mars where as far as humans are concerned has no environment) is just shuddering to think of.

>>8907797
>the idea of economics should be dictated by nebulous ideas like its environmental impact
>shuddering to think of

b8

>>8907223
>Fantasy General
What makes Raymond E. Feists "Magician" entry level? Granted it doesn't feature a hundred different races and a thousand different gods and demigods But it involves pretty long journeys that actually feel like they take some time (they're not on the other side of the continent 2 pages later) there are larger political issues next to the smaller personal conflicts and influences.. It does have a couple of races and a bunch of different cities, villages and territories that are affected in different ways by the war.. I'm not really sure it's entry level.

>>8907223
Trine is one of my favorite games.

>>8907804
I mean the environment matters obviously, but that the economy should be run in a fashion that treats nature is perfect and pure is just ridiculous. For me the first thing that matters is human life, everything else is secondary. It reminds me of a lot of the crap we hear these days about carbon impact as if that's the only thing that matters.

>>8907822
I've owned the first two for years but still haven't gotten around to playing them. I really should.
I guess there's a third one now but nobody seems to like it (they outsourced it or something?) so no rush with that one I guess.

>>8907538
>>8907678
Cheers lads

>>8907823
what a nice, well written, reply.

>>8907656
>implying you can't read both

>>8907836
The third is garbage. I don't think they outsourced it, just totally dropped the ball with it. The first two are wonderful though. They even went back a few years after releasing Trine 1 and added better graphics and online multiplayer to it for free.

>>8907253
>so new he doesn't know about preggers anonette

>>8907656
what the heck is east of eden
i like reading shit where the stakes are high, like planet-ending high. i like scale, size, space.

>>8907262
Black Jewels Trilogy
Hull zero three
Or check chart

>>8907311
Check chart

>>8907809
the writing is simplistic and the setting is pretty generic

it's something that can easily be read by 12-14 year olds as an entry point to 'epic' fantasy

>>8907869
Is Seveneves really that bad?

>>8907422
Gri approved books anon
Look for the seal

>>8907505
No.
>tfw used to look up to cosmerefag until he was unveiled as pollie

>>8907888
>look up to cosmerefag

>>8907869
Why is the red knight in shit?

>>8907894
no GRI

>>8907904
Has all of them though.

>>8907874
The first build up slow and annoying with it's delta Vs being repeated so much, but I thought it would be a pay off. Nope. Humans regressed further in some parts and expanded in others.

If you like hard scifi it would probably work for you.
I like sci-fi where they push the theoretically possible line as far as it can go(cloning, advanced biological prosthetics, etc ). I loved Anathem so I guess all of stephenson is not for everyone.

I thought I would share with you this engrossing SF book from 1985, one of those where several disparate plots and people converge in one place by the end.

In post-apocalyptic 22nd century America, the wandering protagonist has Lovecraftian visions of beautiful alien planets - he falls in with a group of murderous scavengers, whose likeable ringleader treats him like a lucky charm. They travel towards San Francisco to escape radioactive dust.

Near SF, patients at a psychiatric home, who are rehabilitated by a process of memory wiping, begin to have the same vision, along with the staff.

Meanwhile, a Dionysian cult marches from Brazil Northwards, along the West Coast, promising to meet the alien gods.

It's a mix of Lovecraftian flourishes, religious allegory, Mad Max, and One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest. Very new age. Long, but one one Silverberg's better books.

>>8907894
>>8907905
Where?
>medieval crusade knights
>no rape
>no buggering pussy boys when on long champaign and no pussy in sight
>didn't fuck the head nun even though her pussy was wet at all the chivalry
I got memed

What's some sci-fi and fantasy with NO romance? I want people who don't waste time on stupid shit like love.

>>8907918
The main character is the product of incestuous rape and there's plenty of boy buggering.

>>8907869
>Female urban
>No Guilty Pleasures Anita Blake.
Shit

>>8907505
I made this for you cosmere-kun, do you approve?

>>8907925
Was that revealed in the first book?
If the first book is bad you think I would continue the series?
Do I look like the masochistic WoT anon to you.

Got pic related as a christmas present to myself.

What order should I read it in?

Publication order or Joe Marek (chronological)?

>>8907910
I've only read Cryptonomicon and Snow Crash, how would you compare it to those?

>>8907656
Why do you read?

>>8907932
>>8907932
The series turned to shit after obsidiqn butterfly. It's now a porn series. I feel guilty suggested it to people.
The women in this chart are better than Anita(no fake porno shoot every new book )

>>8907790
LET ME SEE YOUR JOHNNY

>>8907948
Never read those two. Not really a cyberpunk enthusiast, and a lot of people said they were shit so I never touched them.

>>8907716
New Model Army by Adam Roberts is a great dystopia, about the dark side of democracy and the information age, but it reads like a utopia because the viewpoint loves being in war so much.

>>8907716
Red Rising. Not even joking.

>>8907953
The first Anita Blake was class though

>>8907804
>sad-faced scientists gazing at a glacier and deciding to limit human expansion and condemn billions to poverty because that glacier might disappear
At least it wasn't Aurora.

>>8907957
>he doesn't get Stephenson
Of course you wouldn't like Seveneves. We read Stephenson because we want lengthy digressions into delta v and Captain Crunch.

>>8907961
don't listen to this guy

>>8907941
I suggest starting with page one and going from there.

>>8907971
So would you say it's similar quality to the other two? Loved both.

>>8907923
Embrace the Cretaceous.

>>8907979
It's a lot more Cryptonomicon than Snow Crash, mixed with Jack London in space. The characters go through more setbacks than anything else he's wrote, though, aside from maybe Half-cocked Jack, and it even has a decent ending if you take part 3 to be a weird tacked-on novella sequel and not part of the main story.

But if you liked Cryptonomicon you'd like Seveneves. Baroque Cycle is a lot more Cryptonomicon-like, though, and is in my opinion Stephenson's best work (though I haven't read his thrillers).

>>8907966
Are you genuinely retarded? The limits placed on human expansion and economic restrictions caused by damage to the ecosystem far outweigh the short term benefits of fossil fuel use. The population displacement from rising sea levels alone would be catastrophic, much less the property damage/loss, and the health hazards from pollution.

>>8907988
Thanks. I'll get a hold of it.

is it shit?

>>8907992
The glacier was on Mars.

>>8907964
That it was. It was the first to do urban fantasy right. It was even great when the cia no survivors spooks came to her to raise a dead president. I thought shit was looking up.. then her boyfriend /husband left her irl and she just ran to Jean Claude Vandamn's undead dick and she's been riding it since. Her pussy is also super special and grants powerups to everyone who enters it's depths.

>>8907978
Back the fuck off dude.

>>8907992
Just ignore him. I bet he believes that global warming is a myth.

>>8907975
Red rising is great

Can someone make a spurdo red rising text >>8907961 maybe?

>>8908007
I'm not either of the people you're talking to/about, but you can't claim to be some enforcer of neutrality while weighing in your own opinion on a topic.

>>8907997
GRI APPROVED
Loli protagonist and __milf sex___ in book 2

>>8908020
Did I say I'm neutral? I'm calling it as I see it, he sounds like the idiot pol types who refuse the data given to them or what they are seeing outside their basement windows as a hoax.
Also let's end it here >>>/pol/

>>8908032
If you think that left wing evangelising is somehow less obnoxious than /pol/ then you should leave. None of that shit is on topic.

>>8908002
And she needs sex to survive.

>>8907716
Heroes Die

>>8908013
I dunno man, I think American Bear might be getting played out. We might be one of the only boards/generals that still uses it. What are the cool kids doing, Gondala? Maybe we should invest in Gondala.

But if you must
"The Society ain't properly ordered. The Bellonas and Augustas gotta get harvested by the Reaper's slingBlade Octavia au Lune is not my Sovereign, she is weak bureaucrat and probably Bronze as well. HOWLERS not BONERIDERS ok omnis vir lupes"
or something to that effect.

>>8908032
Dude, the glacier was literally on Mars.

>>8907869
RwR is shit and put Blindsight on there somewhere

>>8907998
This is the funniest reply I've seen in this General in a while.

>>8907311
the land of Elyon, though for targeted for younger audiences, is pretty good fantasy with a female protagonist. It's a book written for preteens, without being YA shit.

>>8907941
read in order of release, which should be chronological in the book. Take your time reading "the god in the bowl." It's my personal favorite conan story, very creepy.

>>8907223
Have we thought about updating the charts at all? or maybe making the /sffg/ top 50 list of 2016 or something along those lines?

btw, what do you all think of pic related? qt advised me to pick it up and I did. think it's good thus far.

>>8908102
universally adored

What are some fantasy novels with really well written sword duels?

>>8908126
Stormlight Archive

>>8908126
ive heard titus groan is one

>>8908142
ignore this man

>>8908126
Fafhrd and Conan and John Carter and Eric John Stark are always having really cool sword duels, Worm Orobouros or The Broken Sword (or any of Poul Anderson's fantasy) as well. First series of Chronicles of Amber, Saberhagen's Book of Swords, or if you're allergic to anything written before 2005 Red Rising.

>>8908102
total shit

>>8908085
>Written for preteens
>Without being YA shit
But if it's written for preteens, it can't be YA by definition.

>>8908156
this general ignant they dont know bout middle grade fiction smdh

>>8908156
>>8908163
i am ignant.
would you define the hunger games, harry potter, and the percy jackson series as middle grade or YA?

>>8908126

Is Michael Moorcock good, or no?

>>8908176
Shockingly both

>>8908176
If you're fine with extremely dated writing he's ok. Not anything I would recommend in this day and age though.

>>8908102
nice cozy read.
to be honest, I think it only gets so much hate because of that really long review by some angry internet dweller. people who hate it most likely read that review instead of the book and now think they're enlightened in some way.

>>8908195
Or not everyone is as dumb as you are and can ignore the myriads of flaws.

>>8908181
What does "extremely dated writing" mean? There are books from the 40s that still read great.

>>8908173
With Harry Potter the books gradually became more YA as the consumers grew up.

>>8907888
Get cucked leaf

>>8907934
Sure.

Does this mean that you will you discuss Xeelee: Endurance with me?

>>8907961
Is it really?

>>8908150
They are swords

Who's the Lina Inverse of fantasy novels?

For non-animuh fags who's the best hothead protagonist?

Anyone knows of a good sci-fi or fantasy horror book that is not the usual Stephen King-inspired hipster bullshit or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rwUdL9qXjk -tier ending? I've devoured anything by Lovecraft and I'd really like to find something like that again, or even Conan the CImmerian-style -- as long as it's good horror/discovered terrible truth/real supernatural shit.

All the top horror on goodreads is either YA vampire bullshit or the aforementioned King-inspired crap.

I'll take anything as long as it's really unsettling/scary and not the same bullshit that festers on modern """horror""". Pls help.

>>8908337
Ligotti

>>8908340
>nonfiction

Anon pls. I explicitly said sci-fi or fantasy because I don't want any of that "the real monster is inside us" bullshit.

>>8908346
>nonfiction

What? Do you even know Ligotti or his works?

He's written lots of nonfiction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Ligotti

>>8908351
I checked out his books on goodreads and the top ones are either non-fiction or unspecified bullshit. Again, I said "sci-fi" or "fantasy" horror. I don't care about the terrible condition of the human race, I want either "At the Mountains of Madness in Space" or "Lord of the RIngs: The Return of Cthulhu".

>>8908367
read his wikipedia page

>I want horror

"Thomas Ligotti (born July 9, 1953) is a contemporary American horror author "

>>8908374
>His writings have been noted as rooted in several literary genres – most prominently weird fiction – and have overall been described by critics such as S.T. Joshi as works of "philosophical horror", often written as short stories and novellas and with similarities to gothic fiction.[1]
Again, not what I asked for.

>>8908377
boo hoo

>>8908335
>For non-animuh fags who's the best hothead protagonist?
John Blake.

>>8908335
Kaladin from Stormlight Archive.

Plenty of anime-tier hype moments. Greatly recommended.

>>8908403
Are you the same person who posted >>8908142 or are multiple people recommending this series?

>>8908463
No, I'm not that guy, and Stormlight Archive is often recommended in these threads.

>>8908102
Divisive. Nicely written, cool magic system, some good secondary characters. But damn, the MC and his main love interest are really annoying and Mary Sue-ish on a surface read.

>>8907941
What is /sffg/ opinion on Robert Howard?

>>8907938
I'm trying to remember, does the first book reveals his mom is the kings sister? If so then they reveal at least the incest at the ending of the book. The other thing is revealed later.

>>8908062
Never read it. All those are either shit or good books that I can objectively state in my subjective opinion.

>>8908216
>There are books from the 40s that still read great.
Then they are not dated and the author wrote them with the future in mind.

>>8908230
>thinks I'm a canuck

>>8908528
>Wrote them with the future in mind
Proof?

>>8908385
>dinosaur shill got caught out peddling outdated outer /lit/ wares
It was a good day

>>8908337
Pic related
Also:
Hull zero three
Metro 2033
Roadside picnic
The strain trilogy by chuck hogan
maybe let the right one in?

>>8908557
Not him, but he was responding to a guy who was getting pissy about nothing.

The pissy guy should read Clive Barker if he wants 'horror' fantasy. That's really the best horror fantasy rec there is for him if he finds Ligotti to threatening.

>>8908586
*too threatening

>>8908574
ugh I asked for horror not slavic "maybe we're the real monsters" bullshit

>>8908595
>ugh
Try visual novels. I think they'd be more your speed. I'd recommend Muv Luv alternative in your case.
Other stuff like SubaHibi or Higurashi might be a little too much for you so avoid those.

>>8908469
Good. I've seen plenty of recommendations for that series before but I just wanted to make sure.

>>8908540
Writers themselves in interviews or introductions state that the work might be a little dated.

Most recent example is salem's lot I read a few weeks ago, King himself said the book is a little dated.

>he thinks all books last forever
If the book is depending on pop culture shit to get by, later generations are going to have a problem getting through / understanding / identifying with the story.

Which is why a lot of old pulp books fall flat on their faces.

>>8908635
But can you prove that books that age well were written with the future in mind?: my original point which you ignored in order to ramble about muh pop culture.

>>8908595
All of the books listed have real monsters and they are not a commentary about the human condition. That pisses me off too.

>>8908335
Slayers was originally a series of fantasy novels, so the Lina Inverse of fantasy novels is Lina Inverse.

>>8908501
For the time he was undoubtedly a good writer within the pulps. He has a lurid, unabashed, gutsy, fat-free, action-oriented style, which can feel like a breathe of fresh air, particularly in contrast to overwrought contemporaries like Lord Dunsany and Tolkein.

In my view his Conan and non-conan stories (his weird tales) hold up well. He can still be an exciting read, as well as hard hitting (parts of his The Black Stone turned my stomach.)

Given the choice of any swords and sorcery and fantasy author from the early 20thC century, I would always prefer Howard.

>>8908670
Ignore him, he's baiting (or he's autistic)

>>8908666 (you)
Look for the book I just gave as an example and read the fucking introduction for yourself fagget.

>>8908687
But can you prove that all other books that have aged well were written with the future in mind?

>>8908672
I know.

She's totally awesome in the novels.

>>8908699(you)#
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>>8908735
>I have no way of defending my assertion and that triggers me so I'm going to scream autism until the triggerer goes away.
Neat

>Bought the Elantris Brandon Animeson book
>Bought The Dragon Griaule

Am I in for an imminent memeing?

>>8908715
Most things are a lot more awesome in novel form. Faithfully adapting a novel is basically an impossible task.

>>8908769
I bought the books named in the post
I am going to read them
Before reading them I want to know if you think they're good as a sort of caveat

pls respond

>>8908856
You shouldn't need to be told about whether people think a book is good. It's better to go in blind and decide for yourself. That way when you finish watching Equilibrium and see a bunch of people on the internet shitting on it you can go "Fuck you, that film was awesome" like I did.

>>8907321
The black company is definitely fantastic but I felt the series lost a lot of momentum after book three.

I might recommend Cook's Darkwar series instead. Female protagonist through the whole thing. It is also high fantasy kinda but with some significant elements of sci-fi.

Is Red Rising really much above its' YA dystopia contemporaries?

>>8907809
For lack of a better description, it was simple. Simple writing, simple characters, simple setting. It's not bad, I enjoyed it to some degree when I read it, but it's written so that an eleven year old could read it

What are some books where characters shout each other's full names a lot? It has to be the full name, because you know someone means business when they say your full name.

>>8908952
>>>/a/utism

>>8908022
Wait, how did I forget milf sex in the second book? When was that?

>>8908995
That is not a book but you may possess that disease.

>>8909008
>wants a shoen book where people scream each other's names and attack moves
>calls me autistic

>>8907333
Everyone who responded to you so far is totally wrong. You can sum up the difference as low fantasy = real world setting and high fantasy = fantasy world setting. There's more to it than just checking if the continents match our own though, it has more to do with if the underlying assumptions about how the world works are the same or different.

Low fantasy being in the "real world" has more to do with how people respond to magic. Magic in low fantasy is aberrant or miraculous, people react with disbelief or hysteria when they encounter it because it violates the established order of the world. Basically they react as people in our world would react if somebody started performing magic in front of them. Low fantasy is a setting which is bound by logic and reason, and magic is something outside these rules that is inexplicable.

High fantasy is just the opposite, a world where magic and other fantastical elements are the norm and have rules that accommodate them. Because of that many high fantasy settings are not set on Earth but in invented worlds which are usually shaped by the magical and fantastical forces that exist within them. And so it comes back to what I originally said the difference is: in low fantasy you can generally assume a lot of things about the setting because it will follow nearly all the same rules the real world does, but you can't assume as much about high fantasy, even very basic things like the sun rising in the east or dead people staying dead.

>>8907869
Why do you have a blank slot for zealots?

>>8907223
Anyone know any decent Lovecraftian themed novels? or shot story collections

Brendan Sanderson is my favorite Amish

>>8909008
anon, you have to admit that what you are requesting is pretty fucking autistic.

I mean there is the very thing that you are asking for, shouting full names, then the fact you are willing to sink time into a book purely based off of that. To say nothing of prose or characters or setting. Go to /a/ and ask for some shounen light novels. You will have better luck there.

>>8909012
>>8909240
You guys realize that shonen is a demographic and not a genre, right?

>>8909275
all i know is that if you go to MAL "shounen" is listed as a genre.

I understand it is a demographic but if you are familiar enough with the term and what it means when something is labeled as "shounen" then it works similar to a genre

>>8909275
>>8909294
Similar to a "Young Adult" novel

>>8909294
>all i know is that if you go to MAL "shounen" is listed as a genre.
Because MAL is run by mouth breathers, for mouth breathers.

>>8909294
>if you are familiar enough with the term and what it means when something is labeled as "shounen" then it works similar to a genre
Except stuff like Lucky Star, SZS, Ika Musume, Nisekoi, To-Love-Ru, and Yotsuba& are all shounen manga. So it's more like if you're at the exact level of ignorance where you know enough to recognize the term shounen but not enough to know what it actually means, you think it's a genre.

>>8908511
Yea it's revealed at the end of the book when TRK starts knighting people

>>8909312
Works well enough for me. I don't much care for YA novels and I don't much care for shounen.

It can be a demographic or a genre or another term for spaghetti. As long as I know what it is so I can avoid wasting any more time on it I am going to treat it like a genre

>>8907997
>>8908022

>women writer
>black

I have given up. I have read many,many books...After a while I decided to give books written by women a chance because I didn't know what else to read.

Anyway, I came to the conclusion that it's simply not worth it. The frustration and disappointment to enjoyment ratio is so skewed that there's only suffering to be gained, and that I do not want.

Same goes for "straight white men" of course, I have suffered trough Mistborn and the other shit Sanderson rights ( never again ) . Mark lawrence made me want to jump out a window and that guy who writes those shitty angel something books made me take a long break from SFF. There are many more like this, I just gave some examples.

However simply put...at the end of the day, it's worth it. That's the difference between women and men writers for me and that's the reason I will never touch a book written by a woman, no matter what awards or recognition it gets

>>8907997
>reading N.K. "If theyre white, they're not alright" Jemisin

Not even once

>>8909340
So you read the former, decided that "it's simply not worth it", then read the latter and decided that "at the end of the day, it's worth it" despite finding just as many shit ones? What am I missing here?

>>8907997
>salon.com
Lol.

>>8907997
what time period is this set in?

how can Kvothe be a Mary Sue if he is a cuckold?

checkmate

>>8909526
Because nu-male High Emperor Rothfuss doesn't consider that to be a bad thing

>>8909533

or gypos for that matter.

>>8909392
It's pretty obvious. You are missing the ratio. The number of female books I need to read is much more painful.

Think of it this way, If I go now and chose 100 random books by Women and 100 by men. (completely random SFF)

men will give me 50% trash. 30%above average 9% good 1% amazing.
With women it's 50% suicide inducing 40% trash 9% above average 1% good

Add in the fact that books written by women have a female "logic" multiplier and suddenly it becomes unbearable, even in "good" books.

I have read the series by nemjin (or whatever her name is ) and also read the hundred billion(?) kingdoms. Both where painful for me.

Reading female Fantasy and science fiction made me sexist.

>>8909598
What is "female logic"

>>8909598
Should I cross Mirror Empire off my list as well then lad?

More she drank...

>>8909643
I really don't want to be sexist, but women tend to worse at writing than men.

>>8908948
Yes.

>>8909275
What a nostalgic pasta.

>>8909654

>>8909691
Stop pandering your shitty feminism here and go to tumblr. pol and r9k have already redpilled me on how women are inferior to me

>>8909691
>Generic condescending nu-male comic that reddit reveres

Really made me think....

Is this good?

What am I in for?

>>8909704
you just sound bitter because they don't want to date you

gimme some fantasy with some loli fan service

>>8909598
You're probably not wrong in your actual percentages there - it seems like most of the female authors I've read are "B-list" or "good, not great" with the sole exception of Clarke - but I'd say that's because there just are comparatively few female authors in the field. They were almost entirely nonexistant in the pulp era (or used male pseudonyms like James Tiptree and Lewis Padgett), and have only gotten a bit more common recently - the ratio of male to female on any given publisher's roster is probably around 70/30.

So, suppose we use Sturgeon's Law as a metric - if 70% of what's currently being written is by male writers, and 30% is by females, there will be 7 good male books and 3 good female ones in any given year (of the past 25 or so). So your stack of 100 from each gender would contain that ratio, plus titles from earlier eras when female authors were rare. That would result in essentially the numbers you report.

tl;dr - there are more brilliant male authors simply because there are more male authors, increasing the odds of one turning up. (It maps to the opposite end of the quality scale too, since afaik there isn't a female equivalent of Rothfuss).

>>8909819
>implying

I'm a MGTOW

Ursula Le Guin alone shows that women can write SF and fantasy. My concern is that modern society no longer produces women writers of that calibre.

>>8909831
sour grapes

>>8908574
Hm, I totally forgot about Metro, thanks. I'll try it out.
And "Hull Zero Three" is EXACTLY what I was searching for, thanks a lot. Gonna try reading it right now.

Also >>8908595 was not me.

>>8908586
>getting pissy about nothing
You cannot assume how someone's feeling just by how he writes, especially on a site like this where everyone by default writes like an angry asshole. I was not pissy nor angry, I was just explaining why the guy that was recommended to me was not something I am interested in.

>>8909805
a surprising amount of cozy monasterial hijinx and banter, and the expected amount of catholic ideology. oh, and an initially disappointing third part, which is redeemed by a strong ending. overall a good book.

>>8909850
He's clearly roleplaying you goof.

>>8909831
Does it ever strike you as ironic that your act of "going your own way" is expressed by identifying as part of a movement with its own acronym? Isn't that sort of like eating at Burger King because they tell you to "have it your way"?

>>8909869
>not recognizing blatant satire
/sffg/ really is full of mouthbreathers.

>>8909868
didn't read

Any good recommendations for something centered on pirates (sci-fi or fantasy, either is fine), or on someone fighting against some kind of evil authority figures, without being YA-trash?

>>8907223
>>8907869
Is just a whole GRI chart?

It'd be even better if from the persepctive of a woman

>>8909894
>Any good recommendations for something centered on pirates
The Scar is great, it's about a floating city made from hundreds of lashed-together pirate ships and Mieville's work in general is full of sinister bureaucracies. You could also try the second book of Locke Lamora, Red Seas Under Red Skies, but I understand it's not as good as the first (which is the only one I read).

>>8909929
It makes sense that Mieville would have a bit of an anti-authoritarian bent. I'm pretty sure he's a classical Marxist.

Some good Cyberpunk?

>>8909941
I assume you've read the Sprawl trilogy, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, and Snow Crash?

If not, read all of those. And recognize going in that Snow Crash is half parody, half serious.

>>8907311
Mistborn

>>8909945
Not the original guy but I've read all of those. Any other recs? Preferably more modern works but anything is fine

>>8909632
A lack of.

>>8909968
gave me a chuckle but do you have any examples of particular scenes where this is shown? Or perhaps just concepts in general?

>>8909959
Not a book, but I highly recommend the games Gemini Rue and Technobabylon. The latter is more explicitly cyberpunk, but they both show that Cyberpunk has some life left in it as a genre, and both are pretty mind-bending and have some beautiful moments as well as some disturbing ones.

If you have a Steam account, one or both may still be on sale. I got them recently pretty cheap.

They're point-and-click style adventure games like from the early 90s, and each has probably 10-12 hours of gameplay if you're good at solving puzzles. I played through Technobabylon in a day and I wish I could play it again for the first time.

>>8909598
Frankenstein is great, though, and Ursula LeGuin is probably one of the greatest sci-fi authors of all time.

Name a better novel.

You are literally physically unable to do so.

>>8909929

loved The Scar really. Wish he'd revisit Bas-lag.

>>8910009
>swastika isn't tilted
0/10

>>8910009
The Lightning Thief by Rick Riordan

reminder that sci fi and fantasy is below even erotica on literary merit

>>8910028
>swastika isn't tilted and is facing the wrong way
-0/10

>>8910040
Well that's a shame. I'ma keep reading it tho

>>8910009
He's pretty good schlock isn't he?
This one's better

>>8910028
It's an alternate history

>>8910009
Better?

happy new year from the UK, sffg. have you read any brian aldiss or jg ballard this year? disregard arthur c clarke, he is shit.

>sci-fi story has major nonhuman female character
>like practically the secondary protagonist
>has a fucking laser rifle and shit and always backs up the protagonist
>main character never bangs her even once
>no, he goes home and marries a frumpy girl named Gertrude
>fuck

FUCK

>>8910161
sometimes a man prefers submissive fat chicks with thick thighs ok anon?

Would it be edgy if I had a mad scientist write equations in their own blood... because their pen ran out of ink and they were too lazy to go into the livingroom and get another?

This is going to sound stupid but I am terrible at making points and describing things.

My friend says that Science Fiction and Fantasy are the same.

What exactly is the difference?

>>8910244
Your friend is right. Give up.

>>8910244
Science Fiction is everything that deals with humans and advanced technology, Fantasy is everything that isn't Science Fiction but still breaks the laws of physics.

>>8910244
It's a blurry line but in general, fantasy deals with magic and mythical creatures, whereas science fiction deals with technology and aliens.

If both are present or if the science and technology involved are nonsensical for non-humorous reasons then it's science fantasy.

There are other types of borderline cases in addition to science fantasy. Whereas science and magic are usually separate in science fantasy, lovecraftian fiction often unifies them in very smooth, seamless ways

>>8907790
Kek

>>8910244
>'Science fiction makes the implausible possible, while science fantasy makes the impossible plausible

goto quote

Any SFF like Xenogears?

>>8909164
Because I couldn't remember what books I read that were about zealots at the time of making that chart.

>>8909826
No. Because you won't read then you will come back here asking the same question.

anyone read this? Struggling for something 2bh.

>>8910386
I'm sure there are lots of books recommended here that you haven't read.

>>8910373
i will though. Been lurking this thread for it for hours now

>>8910400
This.

>>8910244
Traditionally science fiction had a speculative element to it that you now only find in "hard" science fiction. Or rather, since most science fiction is set in the future it's still "technically" speculative but it's not as focused on scientific discovery and development being the root of that speculation as it used to be. So I guess the basic tenets of science fiction now are that it just be set in the future and rely on technology rather than magic.

Fantasy is more about rewriting the rules of reality and making the impossible seem real. This can be done in any kind of setting, but decades of cliche have created expected patterns for what fantasy settings look like.

Then you get blendings of the two like Star Wars, which is what you'd call science fantasy. Something with all the hallmarks of science fiction but not set in the future so it lacks any speculative element that is crucial to the genre.

>>8909332
>As long as I know what it is
You clearly don't and it also seems you didn't recognize any of the titles I listed if you think they have anything in common with the ones you lump into the "genre" of shounen.

>>8910434
I do though

>>8910400
Not to the extent you might think. Escalating obscurities.

>>8907997
It's great and you're a faggot.

>>8909704
>doesn't even know how to properly refer to boards
t. reddit

>>8910217
Doctor?

>>8910531
not a doctor. physicist

>>8910514
r/pol and r/r9k*

There is that better?

>>8910244
The difference between science fiction and fantasy is that the latter includes things that are unlikely but possible, like men using swords to kill giant intelligent lizards, and the former includes things that are altogether impossible, like faster-than-light travel.

Where do you guys download your books?

>>8907773
That was my take on it as well. Rather than a sense of awe and wonder, all I remember about it now is something about Frank and the Arabs.

The same author's book 40 Signs of Rain is easily one of the worst books I've ever read. It's about bureaucrats discussing global warming and manages to be even worse than it sounds. Completely stillborn.

On the other hand, I absolutely loved Aurora, his book about interstellar colonization that I felt had both the grandeur and humanity that the Mars books so sorely lacked.

It makes me want to give the author another try.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jfWPkfAOcE

average sanderson reader

>>8910161
Could be worse. She might've been a catgirl.

>>8909826
>>8910409
Pic related she was sold into prostitution, and she describes everything.

>>8911131
>everything
EVERYTHING?

>>8910575
I have no sides and I must kem

>>8911133
Guilty boner is guilty

>>8908201
myriads of flaws would be a good fantasy book name

https://youtu.be/wkPR4Rcf4ww

>>8908175
>>8908126
also

What /sffg/ books are essential cuckold reading?

>>8910413
Scifi has always been split between the branches of "westerns in space" and more intellectual stuff.

>Martin didn't die by 2016

Not sure how to feel about this

anyone know of any good native american fantasy? Preferably written by an actual native american instead of some white guy who has no idea what the hell he's talking about

>>8911497
Fuck off Jemisin

>>8911502
excuse me for wanting a new cultural perspective

>>8911507
Nah you can't do that here, it triggers the /pol/tards, something about white genocide

>>8911509
hey, it's brave new year, brave new world. Let's start by kicking the scum back in their hole and maybe installing some bars

>>8911507
I'd give you recommendations but literally all the native american lit I know that is actually written by natives is literary fiction set in 20th century America and is utterly depressing.

>>8911514
nothing from the 1920s or earlier? I'm fine with depressing. I just want to read this shit after reading that Tor story The Autobiography of a Traitor and a Half-Savage

are cixin liu and ken liu related, or is it just a coincidence?

Anyone read Red Rising before?

>>8911609
damn should've ctrl f'd
my bad

Anyone read the Earthsea Quartet?

>>8911637
>>8911609
Go away.

>>8911641
no

>>8911392
Name of the Wind

Re-read Ender's Shadow. Haven't read it since highschool and it was a lot easier to grasp this time. Loved the character progression.

I think my library has the whole series with Ender's series + the world, and the Shadow series. Should I jump back into it and try to finish the whole series? I read quite a few back in the day but didn't realize just how many there were.

>>8911641
ok

>>8911392
Jaime cucked Robert pretty hard tbf

>>8911392
Look into female authors

Why are there so few original fantasy universes set in the Early Modern era?

>>8908337
Blindsight is Horror is a rather abstract way, with a terrific ending

>>8911513
We can begin with the people who are incapable of basic capitalisation and punctuation like yourself.

>>8911928
t. retards who will use any excuse to stop reading

>>8911978
t. triggered cuck

>>8908337
These have the brand of horror that I lust after that possibly no one else likes.
Blindsight - Rorschach
Roadside Picnic - Zones
Solaris by Lem - Oceans
Shades of Grey by Fforde - The Mildew is insomnia inducing. What a fate.

Animu (not books)
Evangelion - The Angels
Darker Than Black - Feels very Roadside Picnic especially in Nick Hillman's story and the treatment of nature like blooms. I think that the author must have been a fan.

Is it me or is King's 11.22.63 kind of decent, is he using again?

How do hardcore science fiction fans rank it? Love the idea and concept behind it.

>>8912001
>cuck
t. meme spouting retard

This was great.
What should I read next?

>>8910588
Check the sticky.
Personally I use IRC.

>>8910588

Emule
Torrent
Sites of filesharing
Or online bookstore

>>8912027
>Emule
You what
That still works? What about limewire, kaaza and edonkey?

>>8912018
Try the Kali one and report back if it's good. On my list.

>>8910588

https://www.myanonamouse.net/

>>8912018

Pretty much loved it as well. Wasn't one of the ships found a few months back?

>>8911392
Read some Akka chapters

>>8912158
Don't bully akka please
He's been through enough shit

>>8909819
>all women are the same

>>8909829
>They were almost entirely nonexistant in the pulp era
No they weren't you tard, Leigh Brackett literally hung out with the big names in LA, was revered by Bradbury, and was picked by George Lucas as the quintessential pulp author when he wanted to write Empire Strikes Back.

Tiptree? Tiptree wasn't pulp my dude.

>>8912143
Fucking newfag.
It's cunts like you that bring down private posting about it on facebook like a normie cunt
DELETE THIS

>>8909598
>Reading female fantasy and science fiction made me sexist.
Yep

>>8912269

bit of a leap

>>8912158
desu he was banging twelve talents slag for free

>>8912305
Is this OC?

>>8912382
Yes

r8 pls

>>8912479
Sanderson has a workman like prose

He's a machine.

It isn't anything like Dorian Gray.
But it isn't bad, it does its job and that's ultimately what counts.

Deleted my post because I shouldn't use /sffg/ as my literary mentor

This post will self-destruct in a few minutes

>>8912437
OK until the last panel, which was shit imo.

>>8912520
>Glowing ball that can talk among other things
>Religious fanatics that believe they are their deity's chosen people
>City with large walls full of undead

It's accurate, what's shit about that?

>>8911131
>I had to teach this to 13 year olds during my education practicum
I still don't know what their teacher was thinking

>>8912513
He isn't a good storyteller. His characters are "safe," he's afraid to curse or hint at anything sexual or brutal, and his work is basically just condensed weebery.

THAT is why Sanderson is bad

I made this like a year ago and have never found a good opportunity to use it. So I'm going to post it anyway so that someone else might.

>>8910349
Try the Culture novels.
Caveat: I have never played Xenogears.

>>8912858
>>8912858
>>8912858
>>8912858

new thread claimed by the still excellent Foundation Trilogy art by Michael Whelen

>>8912764
>he's afraid to curse or hint at anything sexual or brutal
Yes clearly it needs sex and gore to be as mature and adult as yourself.