/lit/ - Literature

>>8898877
You could join the boards discord, we're all communists

>>8898879
Link please.

>>8898879
What has that got to do with liberalism?

>>8898877
kys faggot

>>8898890

>>8898891
>typical libtard blocks out any dissenting opinions

kek

>>8898892
Because KILL YOURSELF FAGGOT apparently counts as a conservative opinion. Not surprising.

>>8898877
Reddit

>>8898893
But seriously, it's the only available course of action for you now

>>8898898
Not him but will you stop being a petulent child for one thread

HAHA /pol/ BTFO
>>8898890
>>8898898

NON PASARAN!

>>8898877
Baka Shinji

>>8898877
I'm a proud homosexual and love browsing /lit/ and I relish in the opportunity to shit on uppity fags like you

People I like talking to: far-rightists, commies, marxists, alt-right, libertardians, egoists, christians, muslims, literally everyone and anyone willing to have a good conversation
People who I bully: pussified faggy 21st century """left-wing""" liberals like OP who lack the empathy or intelligence to talk with anyone who doesn't adhere to their spooky dogmas

>>8898922
So you like talking to people who are full of bad ideas and hearing shitty opinions for the sake of not "sheltering yourself from differing opinions"?

>>8898877
I don't even know what you're trying to accomplish by posting this

>>8898877

I'm pretty gay and I don't mind /pol/. At least they have a sense of humor and some funny memes, unlike liberals who are about as much fun as a soviet commissar. Plus be honest, you hate all >straight white men even though that's the way they are born.

>>8898922
You strong spirited, big up
t. anarchist

>>8898877
Are you kidding?
This is one of the most liberal boards on 4chan. At /pol/ we joke about you all being marxists and lefties.

>>8898922
>i'm homo
>pussified faggy
i don't get how obnoxious homos are always willing to throw themselves under the bus.

>>8898924
How can you tell if they are bad ideas unless you never give someone the opportunity to explain them? I was raised in a typical 21st century first world liberal home and had all these preconceived judgements on people with conservative opinions or who were religious or whatever, despite never actually investigating what they believed and why from their point of view, and a big growing process for me in my adolescence was questioning my basest beliefs and listening to people whose views I had previously considered - without basis - not only stupid, but evil.

I don't know what you expect to lose from occassionally talking to people with bad ideas or shitty opinions. If they are so bad and shitty, then you will be able to judge that for yourself and become more confident in your assessment of that kind of worldview. If not, then you will have learned something.

I try to ignore the left-right thing when it comes to reading authors, because it tends to encourage adopting a team-based loyalty mindset. If you won't read Celine because "ugh I wouldn't ever read something by a disgusting bigot" or won't read Guy Debord or Walter Benjamin because "based molyneux told me every Marxist has nothing of value to say"

>>8898924
Philosophically, you can argue for literally anything if you do it well enough.

>>8898942
>/lit/ is most intelligent board
>/lit/ is marxist
Really makes you think

>>8898877
>>>/lgbt/

>>8898879
>>8898942
COMMIES AREN'T LIBERALS REEEE

>>8898948
>most intelligent board
More like /lit/ likes to think it is the most intelligent board. As you would expect from marxists, they always think they are smarter than everyone else.

/sci/ and /biz/ are way more intelligent than the elitist pseudo-intellectuals here, who think that reading all of the classics makes you intelligent.

>>8898948
How is it the most intellugent board?
Also I might add I've many of the /lit/ marxists tend to live capitalistic but declare themselves marxists or sympathetic to certain ideals of marxism.

I've always found it funny as I myself a non marxist have taken part in strikes, boycotts, union works.....things you would typically see among adamant marxists and syndicalists.

>>8898946
>I don't know what you expect to lose from occassionally talking to people with bad ideas or shitty opinions. If they are so bad and shitty, then you will be able to judge that for yourself and become more confident in your assessment of that kind of worldview. If not, then you will have learned something.
Because it's fucking exhausting and I have better things to do with my time than listen to rush limbaugh. Believe it or not I've explored the same line of thinking you're speaking right now, and I just got sick of all the libertarians I spent time talking to.

Also fuck molyneux, and I would read celine.

And btw, it's really sad how you call liberals "pussified", when it seems to show your contempt for people who express their gender in different ways, or seems to imply that masculinity is inherently better than femininity. It doesn't add up rationally, it throws fem or trans gays under the bus, and it comes off as sexist.

Can /pol/ PLEASE just fuck off for once?

Fucking jesus fucking nazi scum fucks

>>8898969
>fem or trans gays
fem gays or trans*
fixed my own mistake

>mods deleting any comment that isn't SJW tumblr-tier bullshit

Bravo mods bra-fucking-vo, can't even voice an opinion anymore on this shithole

>>8898948
>/lit/ is marxist
hold your horses

>>8898877
>double plus good.
Dude! Is this a reference to Orwell's 1984 that I just spotted? That's awesome, love that book. You know what they say, Big Brother is watching you!

>>8898969
>And btw, it's really sad how you call liberals "pussified", when it seems to show your contempt for people who express their gender in different ways, or seems to imply that masculinity is inherently better than femininity. It doesn't add up rationally, it throws fem or trans gays under the bus, and it comes off as sexist.
Let me translate for us normal people:
"REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

>it comes off as sexist.
Literally nothing wrong with this.

>the ones who misuse the terms liberal, libertarian and marxist itt are the ones who claim to be the most intelligent
really makes u think

>>8898989
>Literally nothing wrong with this.
We've established that you're not the sort of person I'd want to talk to about politics, and are probably a toxic person in general.

>>8898983
Jesuits were the first Marxists

>>8898996
>toxic
leave.

>>8898969
Kek, Rush Limbaugh. I wouldn't tell you go to and read Dawkins to get an intelligent approximation of the case for nonbelief, and similarly I wouldn't say listening to Rush Limbaugh would be a good use of your time if you wanted to listen to someone conservative.

Also I don't care about the pussified thing and patriarchy did nothing wrong. I'm not a big "muh ess jay double yous" fag but as long as there are people who intentionally neuter their intellectual capabilities by making themselves so deeply emotionally invested in shit like this to the point where they can get "really sad" over the use of words like pussified on fucking 4chan, then it's in my self-interest to defy the self-destructive language policing at every turn. This sort of insular, "cater to me at every turn because it's morally evil not to" behaviour is not good for you.

>>8898969

>And btw, it's really sad how you call liberals "pussified", when it seems to show your contempt for people who express their gender in different ways, or seems to imply that masculinity is inherently better than femininity. It doesn't add up rationally, it throws fem or trans gays under the bus, and it comes off as sexist.

What are you doing on 4chan? You don't belong here. You probably don't belong anywhere, that's the problem I guess. The world must be a scary place for someone so easily offended, you would think that being a homosexual would teach you to grow a thick skin but no, you start acting like an indignant schoolmarm at the slightest provocation.

>>8898998
How so. I never really studied into the Jesuits but I understand that some catholic organizations and thinkers had some proto marxist thought. Eg. Thomas More's Utopia. Good book and kinda felt like a manifesto or at least an instruction manual for proto socialists. The book kinda drew me away from full socialist thought.

>>8898966
>Also I might add I've many of the /lit/ marxists tend to live capitalistic

Unless you live as an outsider in the woods, which is illegal in most countries, there's no way to not live capitalistic. And yes, marxists that always have the newest iphone are silly but binding your ideas to your personal behaviour is ultimately, as zizek would say, a piece of controlling ideology that neuters ideas. Just because I don't recycle everything and live like a fucking tree hugging hippie doesn't mean I can't plead for laws regarding more environmental protection.

>>8898999
If you've ever listened to richard dawkins talk about memes and thought viruses, it's actually pretty interesting. An idea does form a physical structure inside of your brain because of the wiring. So when you fill your head with different ideas, there are actually some ideas that are destructive, hence why donald trump won the election when a lot of the time he was just flat out lying to people, or giving them simple platitudes that stuck well in their head - memes that caught on well because they were easily digested by a lot of ignorant voters.

I know when I encounter opinions that are really stupid, sometimes it physically hurts my head to think about. You probably could think of thoughts as viruses, and I think that it's also sort of an axiom that whoever you spend your time around could also reflect your mood and behavior. If you surround yourself with, for example, negative people, you may feel more negative in general. If you surround yourself with intolerant people, you may either become exhausted because your mind is physically fighting off those thoughts like a virus, or you may become like those people.

There's a place for philosophical engagement, but I believe that should be separate from your general, day to day interactions. If you want to have a philosophical debate, the place to do it is not in the facebook comment sections. It's good to have some debates from time to time with people who don't identify with your philosophically, because otherwise no one would ever hear about different opinions or learn what the people who they hear about are actually like. But people should have their own safe space, their own comfortable zone where they can just relax and not have to worry about bullshit. There, I said it.

>>8899019
Look up "Liberation Theology"

>>8899019
You could make the argument that the Catholic trinity gave birth to Hegel's concept of dialectics which formed for the basis of Marx' philosophy, it's a bit far fetched though.

>>8899028
Another anon but I looked it up on Wiki and it seems to be a 20th century movement ie. not pre-dating Marx?

>>8899023
I hate to tell you this, but ideology is controlling you far more than you're aware of

Become aware of it and hearing differing opinions will become enjoyable

>>8899028
Liberation Theology is derived from marxism, not the other way around.

>>8899023
haha 8 years faggot ahahaha

>>8899038
No, that's not actually what I said. Please shut the fuck up and stop talking now.

>>8899023
That's why I read and talk about philosophy and politics on /lit/ or in books and not on Facebook, amigo.
I actually uh, have OCD so I'm well aware of the infectious nature of thoughts because lots of cultural memes get stuck in my head and torment me and make me really anxious every day. Even stupid shit like, I feel like I'll be supernaturally punished for breaking some minor infraction in some scenario because it resembles a typical moralising short story written by people like Stephen King or something. Interestingly I tend to find /pol/ memes less stressful and less invasive than I do ones associated more with contemporary progressives. The sensation that I feel, at least, is that there is a very callous, morally self-assured subdued cruelty underlying a lot of that ideology, and that really spooks me. /pol/ is too fun, and populated by people of so many walks of life who are open to many different kinds of experiences (par the course, since it's sort of counter-cultural), to be oppressive in that way. I imagine that maybe if I had lived in the 19th century, I would be feeling this way about Victorian attitudes to my homosexuality.

/lit/ shouldn't be a "safe space", it's a board for discussing literature on 4chan. It should be able to be completely unfiltered. It unironically sounds like r3dd1t would be a more accomodating place for OP's desires.

also this >>8899038
It's so relaxing to not feel "infringed" upon by hearing other people's opinions anymore, even if they are the diametric opposite of yours.

>>8899022
I'm not criticizing. I'm just stating an observation. I understand the need to work within a system even if you don't agree with the way the system functions. Some of it does come of as silly. I had an experiance with an anarcho-Communist who was hoping for legislation to pass laws that he wanted. When I started to question him and ask as to why someone who does not agree with the idea of government or agree with it's ability to influence and exercise control over its populace how can you support legislation which would give the government an even broader range of control over the populace.

Just little things I notice.

>>8899028
So it interprets Jesus's ideas of benevolence towards the less fortunate as being a god given social mission?

Luke 1:52–53
“He has brought down rulers from their thrones / but has lifted up the humble. / He has filled the hungry with good things / but has sent the rich away empty.”

I can see the appeal towards liberal Christians in developing countries or in developed countries but in an environment of economic stagnation or failure.

>he believes in the sociological definition of 'gender' dreamed up in the '60s by a sociopathic child molester as a fact
>he actually adjusts his behaviour and ideals around this baseless belief

>>8899052
Oh and one more thing to add on.
My OCD is my problem alone. The world shouldn't have to cater me, and if it did it would actually be more detrimental to my mental health. Stephen King shouldn't stop writing stories just because I get unironically 'triggered' when I see his name sometimes because of the associatons my OCD makes. He should stop writing because he's not very good at it ;)

>>8899059
I'm stealing that runescape Varg >:^)

>>8899069
Have another, my friend. This one, I think, suits the thread well.

>>8899078
Thanks lad

>>8899057
>So it interprets Jesus's ideas of benevolence towards the less fortunate as being a god given social mission?
I'm not very well read on the subject, but I think it's meant to be kind of a new focus on the systemic causes of poverty, as opposed to only treating the effects of poverty through personal benevolence and charity, the latter of which would be the more commonplace interpretation and implementation of the christian social cause.

>>8899057
>>8899095
>I can see the appeal towards liberal Christians in developing countries or in developed countries but in an environment of economic stagnation or failure.
Also, yes, as far as I know it's predominantly a latin american phenomenon.

>>8899095
>>8899100
>Latin Americans get fucked over by their government and local leaders
>turn to religion for morals and charity

>>8899112
>by their government and local leaders

>>8899112
No, the religion became political.

>>8899118
Are you implying South American leaders aren't at fault?

I have quite a few Brazilian friends in the political science/economic field who twll me about the nightmare that is South American beaurocracy.

>>8898877
Don't associate the modern Achilles with your effeminate faggot shit.

>>8899128
There are definitely self-perpetuating tendencies in place, but I think history makes it very clear what has happened up until recently when attempts at radical change were made.

Hmm, feminine boys.

>>8899153
i wish i had a shinji bf
>tfw almost ruined evangelion for myself when i stumbled across some tumblr page on google writing some shit about how evil shitlord anime fans try to "erase" homosexual identities by questioning if shinji is gay

>>8898877
The only escape from the reactionary movement is to stop being a filthy degenerate.

>>8898877
holy shit you're a butthurt faggot

>>8898877
>can i have a liberal forum that censors people
no. learn how to use words

>>8899159
They sound like they're right though.

>>8898877
>Does anyone know any good liberal book related chat rooms or forums?
> but I can't stand the pol tards and the alt right tards that come to this board
>I want a more liberal crowd that won't hate you just for being who you are

good, get the fuck off this board you fucking twink.

we don't want you here either

>>8898877
I'm pretending that's a tomboy with secretly sizable ta-ta-s

>>8899362
I prefer the fact that Evangelion is relatable without politicizing it. The homogay shit is like, something that resonates with me personally, as pure experience, but systemising it would detract from it.

>>8898969
>I have better things to do with my time
obviously not if you're wasting your life on a shit hole like 4chan

OP is out of luck. I can't think of a single genuinely "liberal" imageboard. Leftypol certainly isn't.

>>8898877
Reddit. Now leave.

>>8898996
Why are you even on 4chan? Go to tumblr or reddit if you can't handle ideas that run counter to your programming.

>>8898877
you piece of shit psuedes don't understand that necessity of the ridiculous noise-signal ratio on /lit/ and 4chan at large.
because no one can easily distinguish serious discussion from trolling, it forces you to form your own opinion and check your own facts.
if that task is to difficult for you, and you need a chorus to spoon feed you a properly aligned narrative of how to deal with the world, you don't belong here and are not much more than a useful idiot.

>>8899362
>masturbates to girls repeatedly
>gay
>b-b-but he blushes when near a boy who has agape for him
Fuck off sodomites.

>>8898969
>denying the biological basis of gender
Brainwashed retard.

You want to shield yourself from opposing views because yours make no sense and are indefensible.

>>8899498
he has sexual fantasies about grils but love for boy

>>8899454
Lolcow is feminist I think

>>8898939
As a Guardian reader, I enjoyed this image.

>>8899023
>considering certain ideas is bad! I refuse to do that!
Good goyim! Wrongthink averted!

>>8899507
Point?

>>8899023
>some ideas are destructive
>thoights are like viruses
>people should have their own safe space
This is fucking 1984-tier

>>8898922
>People who I bully

Shouldn't it be 'whom'?

>>8898982
Fucking this. The newfag janitors are trying to turn this place into reddit. Better start learning how to ban-evade.

>>8898877
this has to be b8

>>8898893
In any case, it shouldn't be deleted on 4chan.

>>8899059
This. It's propaganda, pure and simple.

>>8898877
Try tumblr you mentally ill fuck

I'd go as far to say none of this is even /lit/ related. Go on /lgbt/ and start a thread about trans books and get out of /lit/

>>8898947
This is depressingly correct.

>>8899561
Best web comic on the net

>>8898877
So mods delete a conservative book thread but leave this up? Come on now.

>>8899555
gets confirm

>>8899633
mods are all faggots with agendas to carry out.

>>8899644
>>8899633

How is this thread breaking any rules? Stop whining about everything you're afraid of

>>8899633
Mods have also been strangling /pol/ with excessive moderation (ie deleting Safety Squad and comic editing threads even though they don't break the rules). The endgame is to turn every board into /co/.

>>8899660
It's not literature related and it's off-topic. You fucking faggots whine at the mods to delete edgy frogposts but turn around and say this thread doesn't violate the rules. They obviously have an agenda.

>>8899665
Post the updated version

>the death of (You)s
>reddit refugees
>every thread degenerates into /pol/ and /r9k/ bait
>new mods are unironically cucks

What the fuck am I even doing on this site anymore

>>8899675
garbage post

>>8899680
>triggered

>>8899676
Are there any better imageboards? I guess you could go to 8ch but every board there except for /pol/, /b/, /r9k/, and /int/ is dead

>>8899683
Not triggered, smug. A liberal like you wouldn't understand.

>>8899671
You could always hide the thread and move on instead of throwing a tantrum.

>>8899694
Nobody's throwing a tantrum here, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisies in /lit/'s moderation right now. If it was a thread asking if there are any non-cucked imageboards it would be deleted.

>>8899692
>triggered

>>8899676
>the death of (You)s

You are so fucking new.

>>8899702

I'll repeat, you could always hide the thread and move on instead of throwing a tantrum.

>>8899716
Same thing goes for libtards and conservative threads.

>>8899710

Well, when /pol/ makes blatant racist threads, some people are obviously gonna respond with blatant liberal threads. /pol/ should be the last to complain about this sort of thing

>>8899727
>anon makes racist/sexist threads on 4chan
>liberals throw a temper tantrum over le /pol/ boogeyman and demand to have it deleted

>anon makes faggot/liberal threads on 4chan
>right-wingers post smug reaction images and call him a faggot

>>8899743
Except this thread. All I see is /pol/ throwing temper tantrums over le reddit boogeyman and demanding to have it deleted. Nary a frog to be seen

>>8899711
>taking pride in wasting your life on this shitty imageboard

>>8899758
It's like you guys live in your own version of reality

>>8899763
Come back when you have a relevant argument instead of vague condescensions :^)

>>8899785
You're not arguing for anything.

>>8899789
t. cuck

>>8899792
t. redditor

>>8898877
>>>/r/eddit

>>8899129

>shinji
>modern Achilles

wut

>>8898877

>>8899724
>trigged

>>8899759
Shut the fuck up newfag, you're not wanted here. Lrn2greentext fookin pleb

>>8898879
>transgender rights
>gay rights
>seizing the means of production
>safe spaces

One of these things is not like the others. One of these things just doesn't belong.

>>8898877

>+ 117 posts and 29 image replies omitted.

>post bait thread
>receive bait

gg OP, sage'd

>>8899016
Pretty easy to tell people to grow a thick skin when you yourself are not actively required to have a thick skin. Your opinion is so brave.

>>8898969
>It comes off as sexist
>addressing the possible "hurt feeling" using a certain word
>completely proving his point

>>8899858
>so brave

I don't think anybody is gonna get that meme here

>>8899858
>be right-wing straight white male
>viewed as an evil Nazi by the political establishment for daring to think that people can't change their gender
>openly discriminated against in all areas of schooling and employment

>>8899876

>be right-wing straight white male
>visit /pol/
>take the "red pill"
>be blatantly racist
>victimise yourself when people complain about you

>>8899891
>be libtard
>so brainwashed that he thinks racism and sexism are inherently bad
>actively seek victimization despite being part of the political establishment

>>8899876
boo fucking hoo. I thought you guys praised strength. We will force anal rape all you nazi retards when we liberals and progressive have secured a total victory.

>>8899906
t. numale

Not so "tolerant and progressive" anymore now, are we? Such violent opposition only exists when you know you can't win on facts.

/pol/ reminds me mostly of tumblr. Bunch of edgy teenagers trying to get noticed by throwing around grossly exaggerated ideas they dont understand and bullying anyone who disagrees

>>8899914
Except all posts are equal on 4chan. If you think they're so retarded you should argue with them instead of demeaning that they go away.

>>8899913
Facts doesn't matter at all bub, that's why you tards will keep failing.

>>8899929
>Facts doesn't matter at all bub
This is the liberal mindset. You can't keep winning if your only arguments are calling your opposition "sexist" and "racist" and "bigoted". Try actually questioning your beliefs instead of going with whatever the MSM throws at you.

>>8899920
Oh i have tried arguing with /pol/. But I got tired of typing out paragraphs of (I suppose) well-thought criticism because all that they responded was "cuck", "butthurt", "libtard", "nigger" and other words of similar effect. Now I mostly ignore /pol/ posters

>>8899929
>Facts doesn't matter at all bub, that's why you tards will keep failing.
*Cough* Trump *cough* Brexit *cough*

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>>8899941
kek, you got those responses because you were regurgitating tumblr meme ideology. Right-wingers have heard it all before.

And not everyone who disagrees with ""your"" liberal ideas is an evil /pol/ boogeyman.

>>8899949
>deletes all conservative threads
>keeps all liberal threads
>"Based"

>>8899951
I don't see why you had to put """your""" in so many quotation marks