/lit/ - Literature

>>8851589

Wolfe's way too right wing for the Nobel comitee

You have a containment thread for a reason, you miserable scum.

Will they ever give the prize to GRRM?

>>8851594
they gave it to llosa

>>8851597
>he mix Wolfe with normal sci fantasy

>>8851605
Llosa is from a third world country

walrus

>>8851589
Gene Wolfe convinced me that not all fantasy is trash. If that isn't deserving of the Nobel, I don't know what is.

>>8853418
So do you think Tolkien is trash?

>>8851589
Plus, unlike Dylan, he actually owns a fucking dinner jacket. I'd say he's got this locked up.

>>8853246
And they didn't give it to other latin americans because they were right-wingers, like Borges.

The old Gene Wolfe is a good writer joke thread...

>>8854096
Are you implying he isn't?

I bet you think Pynchon is better than him and IJ is your favorite book.

>>8851607
Explain what the difference is pls

>>8854125
Not that guy but it is literary as hell.

Just compare him with the average sci fi writer.

Because he's a literally who compared to Tolkien, versus Bob Dylan who most people who don't even follow music know.

they're gonna call him any day now

>>885414
But anon, the Nobel was supposed to be about quality, not popularity
Once the point of the Nobel was tô. Help not too famous writers.

>>8853466
Overrated but not trash.

>>8854111
why they don't give the Nobel to Pynchon? honest question

>>8854201
Because they'll likely never give it to someone who will show up wearing a paper bag on his head and make a joke of the entire ceremony.

>>8854201
4chan has already deceiced the world with Trump. Another meme tier event like an ironically good writer winning the Nobel is unlikely on the next decade.

>>8854011
Argentina is white.

>>8854241
>Implying Dylan receiving the Nobel was not a joke itself.

>>8854396
Kek
>>8854406
Yeah, but wasnt because of 4chan

>>8851599
That would be amazing.

I really hope they give it to him or to J.K. Rowling for "awake the desire to read in the youth" or something really stupid like this.

John LeCarre is the greatest genre author alive and possibly of all time.

He's better than Herbert

Has Herbert ever written anything good but dune and its sequels?

>>8851589

This meme that Gene Wolfe and Mervyn Peake are somehow these amazing literary geniuses while J.K. Rowling is untouchable filth is pathetic and needs to stop. Just admit that you like fantasy garbage just like everyone else.

>>8855999
Dune wasn't, and still isn't, good.

It was noticeable because it was different than A Princess of Mars and all the other serialized sci-fi schlock that had dominated the genre for half a century, but people forget that that's what made it worthwhile and somehow opinion mutated to consider it good.

Like how everyone thought Lovecraft was trash until the 80's and suddenly he's some seminal horror writer.

>>8851594
What makes the wolfeman right wing?

>>8856017
You sound smart. What do you think of Jack Vance?

>>8856063
Traditional view of women, romanticism of colonial frontiersmanship, gentle treatment of feudalism, muh Catholicism

>>8856100
obviously meant for >>8856054

>>8856128
fuck you you made me think we'd get to talk about Dying Earth. And The Fifth Head of Cerberus would probably be considered anathema on /pol/ if anybody there could understand what the fuck is going on in that story.

>>8856017
If you think Rowling is on the same level as Wolfe because they happen to write genre fiction, you're an idiot.

>>8856100

I don't get how his writing is right wing either. You list these things but I don't see how his view of women is "traditional" or his treatment of feudalism "gentle."

Is it because I'm right wing myself that I don't pick up on it?

>>8851589
>probably the best genre fiction author since Tolkien and Herbert
That's some of the faintest praise I ever heard tbph

Never understood what makes the genre inherently bad? What about his writing makes him not worth respect? What about his prose makes him lesser?

>>8851589

>>8857357
Nothing does, /lit/ is just too autistic and insecure.

>>8856022
>>8855203
Why do we see Dumas, Shelley and Conan Doyle as literature?

The first wrote action books, the second, sci-fi horror, and the third, mistery books.

Just because they're old?

Within a century people will see not only Tolkien and Christie, but Herbert, Wolfe, Le Carré and others as literature too just because they will be "old?

>>8857378
What about Wolfe's and Tolkien's writing makes them not worthy of literary respect?

>>8857526
Meant for >>8857518

>>8857526
Not according to /lit/. Autists on this cancerous board do not even read. They are just too busy at hating authors they pretend to read, too scared to be called "plebs" or "redditors" by their pairs on an anonymous chinese cartoon board.

kek they all fell for the Pynchon/DFW meme.

I'm reading Long Sun right now, when does it get good?

>>8857879
Did you read the New Sun?

>>8854311
will i ever be able to see Pynchon on a LED screen before he dies?

>>8851589
Because he's dead.
A person cannot receive a Nobel post mortum

>>8856100

Oh so you're just fantasizing that your favorite author agrees with all of your personal politics beliefs.

Ok.

>>8857896

Yes, I have. Even Urth. However, Long Sun has a completely different style and it's putting me off a little. It's also WAY more heavy handed with the Catholic themes.

>>8857518
because Shelley wrote one of the most important books ever written. Frankenstein is literally soaked in our culture. She created the most memorable monster since the Greeks.

>>8856054
I think you'd have to deal with some serious cognitive dissonance to be both Catholic and any farther left than classical liberalism.

>>8857518
Why do we see Homer, John Milton, or Dante Alighieri as literature? The dudes wrote fucking magical fantasy stories starring the biggest Mary Sues the world has ever seen. Just because they're "old?" Seriously lame. If it doesn't take place in New York City and center around a nihilistic, neurotic bohemian with relationship problems, it isn't literature. This is abundantly obvious to me. Why can't the literary world get with the times?

>>8858317

>Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

>TRULY I TELL YOU, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR A RICH MAN TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN

Truly the epitome of right wing, mate.

>>8858317
>>8858469

A lot of Catholics have socialist leanings. Most of them are from poorer countries after all. The Vatican spends a fortune on charity, healthcare, and education.

You can be socially conservative and left economically at the same time.

>>8858499

>You can be socially conservative and left economically at the same time.

I should know since I'm the exact opposite.

>>8857879
Its more about how human the characters are. It gets good once you want to be buddies with Silk.

>>8858556

B-but Silk is an unbearable holier-than-thou goody-two-shoes and so on and so forth. Always pontificating and moralizing without even understanding how the Whorl really works.

>>8854151
Sick beard

>>8858499
Every socialist is already excommunicated since Pius XII. Every other pope since Leo XIII except for the current one despied any kind of socialism and colectivism.

Liberation theology doesn't have anything to do with Catholicism. Is just another attempt of liberals to take over a grate Institution.

>>8858469
>Catholicism
>Following the words of Christ
excellent meme :^)

>awarding a genre writer who is not Le Guin

>>8860085
I hope you don't think Protestants do better than Catholics.

>>8857357
It's not inherently bad, it's just that writers in the genre (including those commonly called 'classics' or 'the best', like Asimov, Clarke or Herbert) don't write particularly well.

>>8856838
Yes
>>8857928
The biggest influence on beliefs of Wolfe was Chesterton. Chesterton wrote extensively about all of these, with his buddy, Hilaire Belloc.
Wolfe incorporates a lot of Aquinas in The Book of the New Sun who was of course the primary influence on Chesterton. These values are well represented in his writings, it's very hard to deny it.
>>8856054
Right wing is a very vague term. It includes sperm magic Julius and Wolfe and Aquinas within itself and Wolfe is clearly in line with Catholicism. Hence he's not a capitalist, a race realist, a British imperialist, a fascist and so on. So his political views are those based on Catholic values.
>>8858469
The most important thing that Catholics need to know when interpreting the Bible is that it is a holistic text and not a bunch of out of context quotes. Hence providing 2-3 quotes is for one something only retarded atheists and protestants would do. It's interpreted according to tradition based on how the church fathers saw it, not on wanting to argue for a specific type of liberalism.

>>8851589

American ticket is expired, sorry.

>>8861299

>It's interpreted according to tradition based on how the church fathers saw it

Very convenient. I'm beginning to understand why Luther was so fucking mad.

>>8861299
>Wolfe incorporates a lot of Aquinas in The Book of the New Sun who was of course the primary influence on Chesterton. These values are well represented in his writings

What beliefs/values specifically? I'm fairly familiar with Aquinas and I don't notice much of him in Wolfe at all other than in a very general sense, at which point it could be attributed to any Christian theologian

>>8862543
He specifically speaks of act potency at the very start, his whole novel is revolving around thomistic teleology, his views on death penalty in book 3 are very similar to Aquinas. Maybe it's just me reading into him too much of course, but as he liked Chesterton Aquinas may have been an influence from him, but I don't see Chesterton talking about act/potency much.
>>8862538
Yeah, hitting that busty nun pussy couldn't be excused otherwise.

>>8858790

>except for the current one

Well therein lies the rub, doesn't it?

>>8851589
Sweden will be taken over by Muslims soon. The Nobel Prize will be more of a joke than it already is when the entire panel is Muslims.