/lit/ - Literature

>>8774438
History already has, outside American "journalism" he was very well respected

>>8774438
I think the last movie to portray Mandela painted him in a fairly positive light.

>>8774460

kek

>>8774448
This.

>>8774438
FUCK MANDELA

>>8774438
>forced labor camps
>says gays as counter revolutionaries and puts them in forced labor camps for reeducation
>restricts movement of the population under threat of death
>liberal use of firing squads often without trial

Yeah Fidel Castro was a real hero. God, what have we come to that the world celebrates this piece of shit as a great leader.

>>8774481
Literally nothing wrong here except treatment of gays which was actually an improvement over the West's treatment and he later apologised.

Reactionaries deserve what they get

>>8774487
Go to bed Trudeau

>>8774506
milhouse is not a meme

>>8774448
>countries that actually matter
>countries outside of america
choose one

>>8774538
I never even heard of America before browsing this site

>>8774487
>except treatment of gays
>he later apologised

Damn, if only Hitler had time to apologize before he died. I could wear my SS uniform in the open now.

>>8774675
>Literally Hitler

Reddit please. In America back then gays would just be called degenerate sinners and blacklisted from society. In Cuba they at least had a path towards reintegration

>riots after a black criminal is accidentally shot by a black cop.
>mourns death of dictator who killed thousands.

lefty logic

>>8774481
>>8774538
>>8774675
>>8774817
Who are you quoting?

>>8774438
>Will history absolve him?
yes. he is finally a good communist.

>>8774538
>it's an 'americans are still in denial about their downfal' episode

>>8774759
He is not that far off from Hitler or Stalin. He was a totalitarian dictator who puts his opposition into labor camps or just kills them without trial. This totalitarian dictator just had better PR.

>>8774865
What does your y axis represent?

>Cuba before Castro: Banana republic with violent oppression of the opposition
>Cuba during/after Castro: Disproportionally powerful political entity with violent oppression of the opposition

I'd say he did pretty good, wishing that European countries would rebel against the US in order to revitalize our culture from the consumerist depths they are drowned at the moment (without the violence pls)

>>8775369
Importance

>>8775381
This. Please stop reading american propaganda and place things in context.

>>8775220
Well yeah but free health care!

>>8775220
>He is not that far off from Hitler or Stalin.

Uh huh, keep that American education coming

>>8775398
fucc u

>>8775398
I'm not even american. And the american press and celebrities are celebrating that cunt right now.

>>8775392
>>Well yeah but free health care!
>Americans believe this isn't hugely important

>>8775406
>letting Americans educate you when you aren't even American

Bottom rung

>>8775417
wikipedia is run by lizardmen and so is the world health organization

Castro managed to pull off the biggest "fuck you" to American liberalism, so yes

I'm not even remotely marxist btw

>>8775381
>wishing that European countries would rebel
>(without the violence pls)
you're an excuse for a man, lmao if you believe this can happen you pathetic sack of estrogen

>>8775500
redpill me on twitter image macros

>>8775500
source on more than 2 countries that "collapsed"?

>>8775637
Would you count all the countries that the USSR controlled?
Venezuela right now. North Korea soon.

>>8775381
Pretty much. Cuba is awful but it's still better than a lot of latin american liberal democracies. Also he only turned communist out of lack of options, just like Ho Chi Minh.

>>8775699
>Venezuela

>>8775785
> Also he only turned communist out of lack of options
Can you expand it?

>>8775637

Somalia
Ethiopia
Angola
Yemen
Sweden

>>8775800
The US government refused to recognize the Populist-Nationalist Revolutionaries after they toppled their corrupt gangster puppet state. It was only then that Fidel embraced Communist

>>8775790
Yes? Do you know about Venezuela?

>>8774487
Gays can go kill themselves.
Castro did nothing wrong.

>>8775807
But if not communist how the Populist-Nationalist Government would seem like since the capitalists were btfo?

>>8775531
I'd rather not be randomly executed and die in a mindless post-revolutionary terror that usually happens

I prefer a rebellion that's done in good spirit and bloodshed that can't be tracked to the political party (read: minimal violence, preferred none)
I definitely admire the way Brexiteers and Trump handled their business, I can only wish that the nordic countries could get a localist boost in the mainstream conciousness and get rid of the US/Brussels control

>>8775830
They could have just called themselves democratic "freedom fighters"

Is this /lit/

>>8775854
it wouldn't be if /lit/ had moderation

>>8775830
*would look like

>>8774487

Le gays are okay but le capitalists are evil and deserve to be shot!

>>8775866
>gays
>attracted to people who have the same genitals as them

>Capitalists
>exploitative parasites

Yes I see you're right, its gays who are the bigger problem

>>8775883
Can't you see? It's both.

>>8775883

Well if you go around shooting capitalists why do weep and moan when the capitalists do the same to you?

You don't respect human rights, rule of law, or due process so I don't get why you magically expect not to be treated like the outlaw scum you are.

>>8775911
>why do weep and moan when the capitalists do the same to you?

Because we're not Capitalists and are perfectly innocent, what are you retarded?

>>8775911
If there's anything I learned from 1984, capitalists don't need to be killed to get the point across.

>>8775919

You reap what you sow. If you're that convinced of your own purity you can do all sorts of horrible things in the name of your ideology. The rest of the human race responds in kind.

>what are you retarded

Well, haha, you're still a communist in 2016 so I wouldn't go around calling people names if I were you. The revolution failed a long time ago, give up, it's over. Castro finally dribbled his last. Time for you to fade peacefully into obscurity and join the ranks of all the other failed utopian movements.

>>8775919
>Killing capitalists isn't a crime because they disagree with me!

>>8775957
>>8775965
Guilty deserve punishment, innocents do not.
I don't see why this is so complicated for you

>>8775957
A spectre is haunting Europe — the spectre of communism.

>>8775976
Their liberalism makes it impossible for them to comprehend simple concepts that disagree with their world view.

These are the kind of people who believe in Wilsonian altruism.

>>8775976

Who is in charge of judging guilt?

I say that you are the guilty ones.

>>8775985

Power positivism is all fun and games until you're on the receiving end of it. It's easy to talk big about liquidating the capitalists until they come and liquidate you.

>>8775985
>liberalism

>>8776034
>Who is in charge of judging guilt?

Reason

>I say that you are the guilty ones.

You're wrong

>>8774675
Churchill didn't even have to apologize, he just said some flowery wank and his estate rewrote the history books to not include the S. African concentration camps and eugenics and all that.

>>8774851
>better dead than red
>whines about commies killing their opponents

hmmm...

>>8774831
>not understanding greentext
>baby's first day on 4chan

>>8776101
Sorry I'm from reddit.com/r/socialism, not used to this system

>>8775417
>highest per capita expenditure in the world
>is ahead of Cuba by only 8 places
>has famously been beaten by Cuba in previous years
>is proud of this
Amazing bro.

>>8776104
this is /pol/baiting right?

right?

>>8776104
Please, for your own safety, never speak of these things on 4chan again.

absolve him of what? he was just an echo of something who other people did. history has already condemned them.

>>8775500
Using this meme is cultural appropiation puto gringo cabrón

>>8775381
this tbqh

>>8776114
If you can't tell you better either start reading more and getting a hand of subtext and nuance and so on, or take it to /pol/. They too are shit at subtext and nuance and so on.

>>8774448
First post, best post.

>>8776141
>start reading more and getting a hand of subtext -- or take it to /pol

But I am already eating from the trash can

>>8774487
But muh dictator meme

Why do leftists think they're welcome here? /lit/ has always been a traditionalist board with nationalist leanings.

>>8776153
I feel like I need slightly modified movie quotes that sound like Zizek quotes. Like here I could say a variation of I'll have what she's having and so on.

>>8776168
>objective facts that contradict my delicate and oblivious worldview are memes

>>8776170
This is embarressing, even ironically it looks like a retard made it

>>8776170
>t. 2013 stormfront immigrant

>>8776175
>This is embarressing

>>8776175
It's like a shitter and less self aware Quentin image.

>>8776180
>t. 2016 r/socialism immigrant

>>8776191
Quentin is also correct, but I wouldn't expect a left-winger to not play videogames and smoke weed.

>>8775785
Uncles Castro and Ho didn't start off as communists but that doesn't mean they weren't sincerely Marxist-Leninists later. If they were just pretending for benefits they could've just pretended to be liberals. Especially after the USSR fell, it doesn't make sense for Fidel to insist on communism unless he believed in it. Of course the same applies to all Cubans. But this undercuts the American totally truthy maxim that the vast majority of people wouldn't willingly want to live in any way except The American Way™, and, well, we all know THAT just can't be true.

>>8776197
>Mccarthyist detected

>>8776093
NO, ONLY COMMIES KILL PEOPLE, REMEMBER THE 900 GORILLION BILLION, S. AFRICA WAS A COMMIE JOB REEEEEEEEEE

>>8776217
>killing people is bad
Do you even want to reduce carbon emissions, dude?

>>8776217
To be fair, you pinkos have murdered a historically unprecedented number of people

>>8776173
>memes that preserve my delicate and oblivious worldview are facts

>>8776170
Who are the two in the center?

>>8776101
>not knowing the who are you quoting meme

>>8776236
The amount of cognitive dissociation it took for you to make this comment is staggering, but sadly expected.

tbqh anyone who thinks dictators are bad is a left-winger in soul, nothing can be cooler than making an entire country worship you

who even cares about "muh capitalism, muh economy!!!"?

>>8776236
We learn from the best

>>8776239
Castro was a dictator, that is an objective fact. Just how brainwashed are you, exactly?

>>8776203
liberalism would imply free elections
not in fidel's personal interests after having been a dictator for decades

>>8776236
You have to doctor the numbers so much it's on the level of saying the Nazis basically killed nobody, it was all the Poles and the Russians in WWII.

>>8776253
no one said he wasn't
lrn 2 reed

>>8776253
Beats American "democracy" any day

>>8776258
>implying he wouldn't win
lmao

bet you think kim jong il wouldn't have won a free election

>>8776248
>I sadly expected you to prove me wrong
>Alas, I must humbly sit here inside the bubble of my failed ideology and ignore the massive human suffering it is historically linked to
>Woe is me for being so brainwashed

>>8776253
>>8776258
Cuba is literally, unironically, more democratic than the United States has ever been at any moment in its existence.

>>8776272
>I got le trolled and now am le mad
>__>

>>8776258
>liberalism would imply free elections
No, not really. Liberalism has a distrust of the state, it doesn't really subscribe to one man one vote or representative democracy or anything like that really. You'd have a problem with a dictator/tyrant though.

>>8775911
>Put a person in a cage
>Poke and prod him with a stick every day
>Person finally gets fed up with your shit and grabs the stick
>Starts swinging it at you
>You shoot him
>"Omg these fucking retarded commies if they weren't violent I wouldn't have to kill them they deserve it"

>>8776258
Can you explain to me how Fidel entered Cuba with, what, a hundred untrained non-soldiers and conscripted an army of thousands ON THE ISLAND to wage a civil war? Can you explain to me how the most powerful military force in the world has never been able to do the same, every time they've attempted it it failed horribly?

>b-b-but muh news cycle told meeeeee

>>8776285
>I'm in a cage, man! Don't fuck with me because I'm that dangerous commie Fox News warned you about! Fuck with my means of production and I'll gulag you so fast and so secretively that my future pinko apologists will pretend it never even happened!

>>8776258
>liberalism
Holy fuck

>>8776295
Do you think that guy in your pic fought for Cuba in the civil war or something...? I don't get what you're trying to say senpai.

>>8776295
YPG is currently making strides in Syria:^)

>>8776301
>I'm illiterate
Then don't use a text-based web forum, retard

>>8776285
>then proceed to kill people that aren't even communists
>"they were in on it lol jsut trust me other countries thanks for the paycheck ameriga :D"
>get criticized for human rights violations
>"whoa hey they tried to kill us like they're the violators gosh"
>continue impoverishing the majority of people while you funnel the country's wealth to foreign banks
>"good thing we got rid of gommies would've ruined the country for sure for sure"

>>8776295
Ah yes the old post ugly people to represent who I disagree with. /pol/ showing its impressive argumentive ability

>>8776303
You're illiterate? What?

Practice reading more then bro, you'll get there.

>>8776171
This reminds me of an east german joke that I heard when I was serving in the Jugoslav army. It was about a man in an underground resistance movement, who broke into a government building, you know? He got to the office he was looking for, he was looking for documents on his imprisoned comrades and so on. He didn't find the documents, but he found a safe and thought he would make good money, but when he open the safe - he finds the documents. Haa-haa, because communism is poor funny joke.
But the stasi officer comes to his office, in the middle of the night! And the man is still there! The man tries to sneak out of the window, but is shot in the hand by the officer. As the man clings to the waterrail from the fourth floor, his right hand torn off very bloodily and so on, the officer recognizes him from his investigation files and is - nice surprise - delighted to see this man. They both recognize each other ash this evil, inhuman creature their ideologies have made eachother into, but they also know eachother personally. The officer, however, knows something that the man doesn't, something very personal and cruel and so on.
So the officer says "There is no escape. Don't make me destroy you. You do not yet realize your importance. Join me and with our combined *sniffs* shtrength, we can end this unneeded conflict, and bring order to DDR and so on and so on", to which the man, of course, yells that he'll never join the stasi. But the officer continues: "If only you knew the power of the communishm. Your dear idol, the reactionary Konrad never told you what happened to your father", which angers the orphan underground fighter. "He told me enough! He told me you killed him!"
The officer smiles and turnsh to the camera and says, "No, I am your father" and so on and so on. haa-haa it was all a pop-culture reference, not even a joke

>>8776295
>number on arm
That guy is literally a /pol/io cosplayer

>>8776313
The Greeks believed beauty reflected the goodness of a man, who are you to disagree?

>>8776320
Glad we could close the door on rightists

>>8776316
Brother, you are my hero for reals. That was wonderful.

>>8776295
You can tell this photo is an accurate representation of leftists because they angrily reply to it in droves

>>8776316
>haa-haa it was all a pop-culture reference, not even a joke

>>8776323
Pictured: a Republican governor in his prime.