/lit/ - Literature

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>>8775463
What is the criteria for "know"? Because every European I've met has very loose criteria for claiming to "know" a language

>>8775463
I'm a native English speaker, so why should I know more than one?

>>8775487
americans lmao

>>8775507
Wow, you imbecile. We have bases in your country and at a moments notice we can mobilize them and take over your pitiful country that's only 1/10000000th the GDP of our Great American Empire. Think before you speak to an American again.

>>8775538
>hasn't won a single war in 70+ years

ok.

>he spent over 10 years in his life learning something just to be able to read something you could have just read a translation of

>>8775463
damn straight.

>>8775601
>Over ten years
Anon you suck

>>8775463
Is there anything more pleb than reading books in the original language?

>jealous monoglots can only read books in the original language
>patrician polyglots like myself can read the works of Goethe in French, the masterpieces of Proust in the superior Russian, Chinese and Japanese works in the opposite language, etc., opening up new vistas of interpretation and understanding

I tried reading a book in the original language once, just to see what it's like being a pleb, and it was a suffocating and nauseous experience. I pity those for whom there is no other option.

>>8775482
being able to say "I am", "you are" plus a funny word to go along with it.

>>8775614
you honestly think someone could read decent level literature without being fluent?

>>8775625
I took Russian and German for three years in high school, and read Tolstoy and Goethe.

>>8775707
don't believe you

>>8775463
>>he knows only one language

>>8775722
Americans are this delusional. Just because you can't speak anything more than English doesn't mean other people actually put in the effort because they are not fat lazy pieces of shit.

>tfw learned english by watching TV shows and browsing 4chins
As a side effect, I can only communicate in stock one-liners and memes

>>8775722
I don't believe you
>>8775733
I'm American

>>8775487
Probably bait but honestly you can't blame Americans for being monolingual. The world accommodates them, not the other way around. There is literally no need outside of personal interest. Whereas non English speakers have a much bigger need to learn English

>>8775622
>>8775733
My example types among us, European criteria of fluency is null. I've met all sorts of shit weasels in hostels that say they can speak x, y, and Z because they can hold a basic, basic conversation

>He can only read three languages
My sides

>>8775707
>understading russian or german after "studying" it for 3 years

>>8775564
>what was operation desert storm

>>8775463
hahaha, jokes on you faggot I know BSL, hahahahaha I can read so many more books than you

>>8775707
yeah, not buying this.
you either put in significant effort outside of school, or "read" them side-by-side with a translation.

or you're a native speaker of ukranian and dutch or some shit.

>>8775507
>>8775757
>implying I'm an American
Rule Britannia, God save the Queen, and so on and so forth.

>>8775809
Tolstoy was cheating because I already read his shit in AP lit, but he and Goethe were assignments in Russian III and German III, respectively. The most I studied either language outside of coursework was listening to Rammstein and Tatu. Ten years later I just remember grammar rules and can read but I stumble trying to remember words. Never been out of the states and the Germans in college only wanted to speak English and I have literally never met a Russian. Oma's senile and pretty much never spoke her native tongue for the fifty years she has been in America and forgot much of her own language. It's not that it's hard to get fluent, it's hard to stay fluent if you don't practice all the time.

>>8775848
is Death of Ivan Ilych the best work in history of russian literature?

>>8775857
I like Anna Karenina better

>he
>thinking that monolinguals are humans

>>8775760
how many languages do you speak and how many have you mastered you smug cunt

My native is russian, I can also read in english and german (my mother majored in the latter). I wished I learned spanish instead of this shitty nazispeak

>Know French and English
>Learning a third one
>20 years old

A-am I doing it right lads?

>>8776812
Romance languages don't count - if you can't commit to Mandarin or Navajo, you'll never make it.

>he doesn't know Latin

tu stultus est?

>>8776838

I'm learning 日本語。

>>8775463
>>8775487

Not reading Tolstoi in Russian is a huge loss.
Also, Baudelaire is better enjoyed in French (or, as I'm led to believe, Italian, of all things. I have read consistent praises to the Italian translation)

>>8775617
>for whom there is no other option
every time

>>8776856
>tu
>est
>without -ne

>>8775625
i learned english i on year, lmao

>>8776838
>mandarin
>not cantonese
dirty farmer scum

polish and english
i can read french

So for those who have learned how to read in at least a couple other languages, be honest: is it really worth it? I am studying Spanish, German, and Latin, and plan to start Greek next year. But of course learning three languages at the same time takes up quite a bit of time. Certainly all three are "beautiful" languages phonologically speaking, but I wonder if my time would not be better spent just mastering the English canon, with some choice translations thrown in.

>>8777215
pro praeda cecidit

>I learned english by just browsing /lit/

>>8777248
i learned english by watching porn
checkmate atheists

>>8777241
>Stultita solecismique sunt "escae"

Landica mea suscipere potes ac eam in culo locare.

>>8777261
Quantum Troia est in Asia, tantum meus radius est in tuo culo

>>8777261
>>8777279

[]non irrumatus
[x] irrumatus

>>8775757
>English speakers consist only of America
>Not Canada, Britain, Ireland*, Australia, and New Zealand

Wow.

>>8775463
As an american I can walk a thousand miles in any direction and there's still nothing but cheesecake factories and starbucks and everyone in them still speaks english. The only reason i'm moderately bilingual is because I try so hard to be the most interesting person in the room because my mother didn't love me and my father wasn't there.

>>8777331
>>>>>As an american I can walk a thousand miles in any direction
>implying Americans can walk a mile in any direction

>>8777290
Kek

>>8777223
>I am studying Spanish, German, and Latin, and plan to start Greek next year.
Stop doing this shit and focus on one of them. It is better to master one foreign language than spend years kinda sorta knowing four without ever touching the literary corpus of said languages

Damnit, I recently met my father and his family. They all speak Italian and English and I can only speak English.

I want to learn Italian but I have zero motivation.

How did any of you get motivated to learn a language?

>>8777646
They said if I didn't take 4 years spanish or french I couldn't graduate high school, and then they said if I didn't take another semester in college I couldn't get my estimable bachelors in english

>>8777656
That is so weird, I'm in Australia and language teaching is not taken seriously here. People take Japanese or French in highschool but most drop the language early on. Even those that graduate are far from fluent.

>>8777661
The world caters to anglophones; every anglo nation is like that

>>8777223
Just focus on Spanish and/or German.

Greek and Latin are not worth it.

Even German is arguably not worth it considering the time that it takes to become fluent and the smaller amount of people who speak it.

>>8777668
Okay.. well.. how do I learn a language?

>>8777331
Spanish lets you fully enjoy Don Quijote and that's something. Also, once you're fluent you can branch out to the more beautiful, italian.

>>8775463
>be 13
>want to learn a secondary language
>want it to be very unique and not a lot of people know
>start to study fucking esperanto
>become very fluent
>no books or any writings besides a few shitty magazines about esperanto ever get published in the language
>still have to read them or else I'll never read anything unique in this language
JUST

>He's a >polyglot

>>8777677
Not that guy, but a really easy method is rewatching series or movies on the dub you wanna learn. The idea is to learn it as any person would, just by listening. But you actually have the advantage of knowing what they mean. After that you can learn the alphabet with something as simple as google translate

>>8775463
>knowing more than one language

>>8775475
kek

>>8775487

>muh English translations

>Not being able to read Lorca in Spanish
>Not being able to read Baudelaire in French
>Not being able to read Dante in Italian

>>8777297
>>8775810
I realize there are other English countries. You guys are missing the point. If it wasn't for America's current cultural, and economic, and military dominance things wouldn't be the same. All these countries consume American media. Probably more of it than their own. The rest of the world consumes American media as well, but rarely from Brits, Canadians, aussys, etc. The world is conforming to America

>>8777297
Americans are usually the most vocal about their being pride of being monolingual. And since they are the world's most powerful country, what the other anon said is true. The other countries, except perhaps the UK, are just pluses.

>>8775463
>he only knows english

>>8777701
>I have choosen the easy way and now regret it
>I walk down't the path I have choosen because I want to keep up appearances

>not reading in languages you don't understand

Ultimate patrician

You get pure language and lyricism without the silly meaning

>>8777899

>he only knows Spanish

>>8778271

POR FAVOR SEÑOR TRUMP NOOOO

>>8778271
That is the wrench stuck between my gears
Fuck those people.

I'm reading The Recognitions right now and there's a conversation at one point in French between Wyatt and a policeman. It was pretty basic but I managed to understand it. It's kinda inspired me to learn the language properly - what would be the best method?

>>8775625
We had a Russian kid during my time in the Finnish army and he spoke pretty good Finnish in just 6 months.

If you completely have to or can immerse yourself in a language, you will learn it very fast. Of course this is not a possibility for everyone.

>>8776856
Fucking pleb

>>8777887
>not being able to read Homer in Greek
>not being able to read Vergil in Latin

>>8777223
The only reason I know another language is because my family moved and I had no choice but to learn. If I did have a choice I'd rather just stick to and perfect my english.

I'm learning Russian currently. Wondering if I should take up Norwegian or Finnish as well. I also took up Swedish for a few weeks but realized they have no literature at all

>>8777261

Haud Latine scribere scis, amicule, primum quia verbo "landica" significatur non mentula sed mulierum pudenda, deinde quod id verbum praepostero casu declinasti, postremo propter abusum verbi "possum", quod significat non idem ac nostrum "can". Melius usus esses imperativo modo vel fortasse futuro tempore.

>>8775463
And I'm better in my singular language than you are in any three or more.

Nabokov you ain't.

>>8778595
Bene scripsisti, amice. Velim te rogare: quomodo tam bene Latine scribere didicisti? Saepe, Latine loquentes hîc videns, visos, etsi quidem scribere possint, arbitrer eos saepe ac magnopere errare. Itaque mirabile visu aliquem qui Latine tam docte scribere possit invenire.

(Neque me esse scriptorem optimum proponere volo, sed non tam barbarice quam alii hîc visi loquor.)

>>8778638
*me oporteat "eos" non scripsisse; quaeso, ignoscite mihi

>>8777899
>English isn't his native language

>>8777890
>the world is conforming to America

Because it's literally the free world, you colonial cock-jockey. The American identity is artificial, hence why you have no culture or history. America has been, and always will be, the Land of Immigrants.

Is latin the most fedora language?
Every time somebody says "I study latin" I picture a fat person in a trenchcoat who LARPs a lot

>he knows only language

>>8777701
>learns a meme language spoken by 20 autists
>wonders why the fuck there's no literature
So drop it and learn an actual language? According to esperganto-fags if you know it, learning a new language is a breeze

>>8777701
Asier?

What is a contemporary solution for learning a new language in America? I'd like to learn multiple languages, but taking classes can be expensive and I am already dubious of the quality of teaching of those classes. Rosetta Stone? What would you suggest, besides being a transplant?

>>8778752
I only know one person who studies Latin and she's a qt3.14.

>>8778784
your fat fetish is not welcome here. go back to /fit/

>>8778776
Rosetta stone is actually quite terrible. Many people have been successful with Michel Thomas, or Pimsleur. Better yet, do both. The key to learning a language is actually speaking it and forming sentences. Michel Thomas stresses you have to 'know', and what you 'know' you don't forget.

>>8778244
>mfw I do this

>>8778793
I always thought speaking it was the best way to practice, but I just don't think I have any occasion to speak anything other than English! I could learn some Asian dialects and speak with some exchange students at school, but other than that...

I guess a class would be a good option to take because you would at least get practice in with someone who knows the language and a group of people learning the language.

>>8778793
>>8778804
and, I meant to say thanks for the suggestions as well anon. Thanks.

>>8778769
Im not wondering, I know exactly why no unique literature is written. Other esperanto-fags are wrong because i'm trying to learn both French and Hebrew (kike here) and it's harder than learning the original memelanguage

>>8778776
Dude, learning languages is not some complicated science. Learn basic grammar, and some words, get a dictionary, and start reading/watching subtitled media/listening music. There's no magical method or quick scheme program, just practice

>>8778821
There are better ways than others. Don't be so hostile.

As an American who's fluent in Spanish and probably around a B1 in French, improving my ability in those languages is way more trouble than it's worth. Even the the native speakers of those languages switch to English when they find out i'm an American. Literally the only reason for me to learn them is to be able to enjoy art in those languages without it being translated, which isn't necessary in the least.

>>8778834
They're not be hostile, it's the most solid advice you'll find without being in the country that the language is spoken I'm and around speakers. Reading/watching/listening is immersion.

>>8776812
>>20 years old
What does this have to do with anything? People successfully learn languages at middle age. You won't sound like a native, but you can reach mastery at any age if you try hard enough.

>>8778863
I feel it. Do starter's dictionaries (if there are such things) cover basic grammar usually?

>>8778776
You can literally learn a language for free using the internet. Gabriel Wyner lays it out in his book Fluent Forever (the title makes it sound like self-help snake oil, but it's based on legitimate science concerning language accusation).

First, you download a free spaced repetition program like Anki. Then you use anki to create a flashcard for every phoneme of a language, using minimal pairs. Then you create flashcards for about 500-1000 basic nouns and adjectives that are easily visualized, with a picture of the word on one side (no English), then the word and a recording of that word being spoken (which you can download from forvo.com) on the other. Once you have the sound and the basic vocabulary of the language down, use a free program that teaches you sentence structure, like the FSI course, or duolingo. And then create fill-in-the-blank anki cards for pronouns and connecting words.


http://ankisrs.net/
http://minimalpairs.net/en/fr
http://forvo.com/
https://fsi-languages.yojik.eu/languages/fsi.html

>>8775810
Start learning Arabic kid

>>8778664
America exports more media, literature, art and science than any other country
>No culture

Moron

>>8779116
>commodified """culture"""
no thanks

>>8777661
that's because australia is a cultureless shithole

>tfw only other language you know is bulgarian

Is there even any good Bulgarian books?

>>8777297
Non entities. America is the reason why English is the lingua franca, not those cuck irrelevant countries you mentioned, one of which I'm sure you belong to. Fuck off.

>>8776856
By the looks of things neither do you.

I've read the russian and english versions of Ulysses back to back and didn't feel much difference (both were gibberish lel). Russian is a bit less dignified and eloquent, though the fault might lie in some weird choices made by the translator. For example, the opening line's "plump" is translated as as "жиpный", which is more of a fat/obese kind of word.

I've been learning French for the past month or so, but I need advice /lit/, should I fully commit to learning French, or switch to Spanish instead? I took two years of Spanish in high school and it seems much easier than French, but from a practical standpoint which language should I pick up first?
I want to fully commit to one of them, at least until very far in the future when I'm somewhat fluent then I might try both

Which is better, Spanish literature or French literature?

>>8779439
I learned the kana the other day and once I have my final exam out of the way I'm going to download a copy of remembering the Kanji and pimsleur's Japanese.

Wish me luck in Japan!

>>8779451
Good luck bud
I have a friend who's learning Japanese it seems like a cool language, I considered learning it but I decided against anything with a different alphabet

>>8779478
Could an entirely different alphabet help with not confusing grammatical or other linguistic aspects between languages?

Or is this not as big of an issue as I imagine it is with learning French while already knowing English?

>>8775463
If I learn Sanskrit, will I get a a cute gf with blue eyes?

>>8779503
Obviously all I've done thus far is learn the kana, but I like the challenge of a whole new alphabet. I tried learning French but found it very dull.

>>8775463
I know English and Spanish. People sometimes compliment me. Fuck you eurocuck.

>>8779503
actually that's a very good point desu
I frequently mess up pronunciation and my aural comprehension of French is by far my weakest link
I think learning a language with the same alphabet makes it easier to immediately begin picking up grammar and building a vocabulary, but it definitely causes confusion with regards to pronunciation, or anything outside of reading/writing. Two words in either language spelled exactly the same will sound completely different when spoken or heard, that can be confusing. vs an entirely different alphabet that you learn which means you only ever learn the correct way to pronounce something

>>8777220

ayyy lmao, your education level is showing.

I took six long years of Spanish and I don't think that I've retained a tenth of the material.

Learning a language is sorta hard. Remembering a language is playing Ghouls n' Ghosts without your thumbs...

>>8776861
Mah niggah, I'm currently working on jlpt N4.

DUTCH
U
T
C
H

>>8778752
>>8778784
the only person who i know who studies latin is a slut.

i slept with her

>>8779116
It seems you don't know what culture means, yank.

>>8779860
KANKER
A
N
K
E
R

>>8778638

It's simply from reading lots of Latin in diverse genres and periods for nearly a decade now.

Reading Latin is "hard" (for most of us, there's always that one linguistic genius) in that it is very painful at first and becomes easy only over a period of years, so not many people have the patience or interest to read enough to reach a point of reading with fluency, and without relatively fluent reading you'll never get enough exposure to write halfway decently.

But we don't learn Latin to write it nowadays we learn it to read it. And Latin comp is not at all easy for me. It's completely backwards to learn grammar-translation for 4+ years and then take comp when you're in grad school, they should have you composing and speaking from day one, but you don't get that in high schools for a number of reasons (the teachers' ignorance of the language being the biggest one)

Pliny the Younger had some advice you might find pertinent.

Quaeris quemadmodum in secessu, quo iam diu frueris, putem te studere oportere. 2 Utile in primis, et multi praecipiunt, vel ex Graeco in Latinum vel ex Latino vertere in Graecum. Quo genere exercitationis proprietas splendorque verborum, copia figurarum, vis explicandi, praeterea imitatione optimorum similia inveniendi facultas paratur; simul quae legentem fefellissent, transferentem fugere non possunt. 3 Intellegentia ex hoc et iudicium acquiritur. Nihil offuerit quae legeris hactenus, ut rem argumentumque teneas, quasi aemulum scribere lectisque conferre, ac sedulo pensitare, quid tu quid ille commodius. Magna gratulatio si non nulla tu, magnus pudor si cuncta ille melius. Licebit interdum et notissima eligere et certare cum electis. 4 Audax haec, non tamen improba, quia secreta contentio: quamquam multos videmus eius modi certamina sibi cum multa laude sumpsisse, quosque subsequi satis habebant, dum non desperant, antecessisse. 5 Poteris et quae dixeris post oblivionem retractare, multa retinere plura transire, alia interscribere alia rescribere. 6 Laboriosum istud et taedio plenum, sed difficultate ipsa fructuosum, recalescere ex integro et resumere impetum fractum omissumque, postremo nova velut membra peracto corpori intexere nec tamen priora turbare. 7 Scio nunc tibi esse praecipuum studium orandi; sed non ideo semper pugnacem hunc et quasi bellatorium stilum suaserim. Ut enim terrae variis mutatisque seminibus, ita ingenia nostra nunc hac nunc illa meditatione recoluntur. 8 Volo interdum aliquem ex historia locum apprendas, volo epistulam diligentius scribas. Nam saepe in oratione quoque non historica modo sed prope poetica descriptionum necessitas incidit, et pressus sermo purusque ex epistulis petitur. 9 Fas est et carmine remitti, non dico continuo et longo — id enim perfici nisi in otio non potest -, sed hoc arguto et brevi, quod apte quantas libet occupationes curasque distinguit. 10 Lusus vocantur; sed hi lusus non minorem interdum gloriam quam seria consequuntur.?

It goes on, it's letter VII.9

>>8780264
Other person here! Gotta disagree and say that maybe it is you who misunderstands the concept. Just my two-cents, a humble opinion, food for thought.

>>8779116
>America exports more culture than any other country
Yes, because they feel the urge not to allow it to stay in their possession even for a single moment

I'm learning German. I'm not very good yet but I haven't even officially finished my first course yet.
>>8775625
Speaking is considerably more difficult than reading.

>>8777297
Here in Canada, all the French outside of Quebec will speak perfectly fine English. Most younger immigrants will speak fine English too (except for a lot of Chinese, Koreans, and Filipinos, because they often just speak their native language with their friends while being generally unpleasant to be around.)

Plus it's ridiculous to expect somebody to learn the language of an immigrant unless you are a really dedicated social worker. So the only obligation I have is to learn French, which I can already speak (can't read.)

Does anyone recommend some grammar books and a dictionary for self-teaching Japanese?

and, as a defensive preemptive TK barrier: I hardly watch any anime

Does anyone recommend some grammar books and a dictionary for self-teaching Japanese?

and, as a defensive preemptive TK barrier: I hardly watch any anime

Does anyone recommend some grammar books and a dictionary for self-teaching Japanese?

and, as a defensive preemptive AT field: I hardly watch any anime

>>8775463

Knowing languages is just a matter of having traveled and lived different places. You can stroke your ego all you want, but it largely hinges on forces beyond your control. If you were born in Europe, then of course you're going to know several languages. If you're American and live in abject poverty, well you might pick up some Spanish, but that's about it.

>>8775463
there's literally no reason to learn anyother language than english. youre just kidding youself if you think otherwise.

>>8780693
Gute Entscheidung.

>>8777892
Being bilingual is either a sign of being low class (Spanish), or upper class, or even Canadian. These do not sit well with the classless American.

>>8775463
>He knows only English and his native language

>>8779417
With England or Australia, you wouldn't have an Internet connection. One of of these nations created the net while the other wireless technology.

>>8776883
Baudelaire in German is a WASTE, but I don't speak French, sadly

>>8780794
Try Imabi?

>lit only learns europoor/moonspeak

Real niggas learn Farsi, lit.

>>8775463
>knowing less than 4 languages
>not trying to learn a new language every 5 years

lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr8ljRgcJNM

>>8776812
>23
>native french speaker
>had to learn english because of entertainment
>took spanish in high school (pretty similar to french so it was super easy)
>currently learning japanese

When my japanese will be decent enough to read shit genre like crime fiction or mystery fiction I'll learn a arabic or russian. My goal is to get to 10 by the time I kill myself at 40.

>>8783189
How can you remember so many languages? Does it just come back to you whenever you decide to speak/read/write in that language naturally? So to speak, like riding a bike?

>>8783206
french and english is easy. I use french in my daily life and I use english when I'm on the internet.

I try to listen/read in spanish at least once a week.

Since I'm actively learning japanese, I have no problem remembering it.

Maybe it will become harder once I add another language.

>>8783176
The fuck would I need to study mudslime and poo languages? So I can read over 9000 shitty poems that sing praise to Muhammad?

There is no reason for an English speaker to ever learn another language. The other shitty little countries already practically required to learn language and it should stay that way.

>>8783265

unless you actually work/live in a place where English isn't the common language, or you work in the tourism sector (even in that case more and more tourists just adapt to english wherever they go), learning a different language is nothing more than a fetish or intellectual masturbation, it's not very useful.

>>8783265
Who are you trying to impress with your prideful ignorance on a literature board? This isn't /int/, retard

>>8779424
>>8778546
>>8777215
baited hard

>>8783265
The greatest reason to learn a language that isn't necessary to your life is that it offers you a new way of seeing things. People who speak different languages also thinks in different ways. A new language expands your mind, building new structures and new pathways as you struggle to master it.

>>8775463
>Was forced to know at least four languages in school (Dutch, English, French and German)
>Meanwhile, Americlaps only learn English and maybe Spanish

>>8783357
You seen "Arrival", anon?

>>8783357

Are you saying that French people think differently than English people purely because of their language?

>>8783398
Not him but I suppose languages have such different structures that they may encourage different ways of thinking i.e. French has masculine, neutral and, feminine words, which may cause you to look at objects differently. A very basic example, I know, but I think you get my point.

>>8783357
>People who speak different languages also thinks in different ways.
No they don't. Different cultures make people think differently, language simple accommodates. Learning chinese won't suddently turn you into a hivemind commie

Anyone ever use this for Latin? I'd like to get it to learn more vocabulary and pronunciation. It doesn't have any diacritical marks, though.

>>8783357
>sapir whorf
>in current year

back to /reddit/ with you friendo

>>8783389
and yet america is more important than netherlands, france, and germany put together

rly makes u think doesnt it

>Europeans feel superior because when an American goes to their country, they speak English to accommodate him like cucks

>>8783412
You seen Arrival, bro???

>>8783409

Why should I believe this is true? It doesn't make any sense to me to say that people think differently at all when you only consider language.

>>8783415
just use memrise

>>8783420
>and yet america is more important than netherlands, france, and germany put together
I was in no way trying to assert my dominance over Americans, just pointing out the massive discrepancy between the educational system of different countries. For someone who was never that great at languages this is a massive deal.

>>8783433
>why would I believe this is true
because he provided an example where language becomes involved with perception

>>8783456
Not that person but, to address your point, being bilingual in America is not needed at all if you are a native speaker. Growing up in the Netherlands I imagine it is more likely to encounter different cultures more immediately than whatever homogenized version you'd get living on the coast of the US.

>>8783457

if you actually believe languages with gendered pronouns are actually assigning a gender to objects, and have a different "attitude" towards them, then you're for sure a clueless anglo not truly fluent in any of those languages.

>>8783457

That doesn't answer the question. If I write a book describing an object with a specific emotion and I translate it perfectly into French that description and emotion is still the exact same. There is nothing lost between the languages. Why do you believe this isn't the case or why shouldn't I believe wouldn't be true?

>>8783467
Yeah, that kind of speaks for itself. Again, I'm not asserting that learning multiple languages in school is better than learning just one.

By the way, learning four languages is a bit antiquated. Of course you need your native language and English, but most Germans and (young) French know English. The French are kind of stuck up about speaking other languages though, especially the older ones. My point is that learning four languages is in no way necessary.

>>8783409
I'm russian, we also also have gendered nouns, but trust me, nobody looks at a sledgehammer (feminine in russian) and thinks "whoa she's beaut eh!"
Noun gender is just a way to subclassify the declensions.

>>8783483
>clearly provides an example
>"but it doesn't work in all situations, and can be translated"
>example is invalidated
just stop

>>8783501

Your example is invalid because you haven't shown any reasoning for why it is true.

English native, can read fluently in French and currently living in Russia but the language is a fucking struggle I can tell you that much

>>8783475
>then you're for sure a clueless anglo not truly fluent in any of those languages
No you.
>>8783491
>>8783512
It was merely a theory my friend. It has even been proven that this is true to an extent. Currently learning Russian by the way, your language is fun but quite difficult. I like how you don't have articles and don't use "to be".

I also know a language with gendered pronouns (French) and of course the reasoning isn't as simple as "la clé is female and therefore beautiful". Maybe it's more subtle and subconscious than that.

Source: http://lera.ucsd.edu/papers/gender.pdf

>>8783524
Meant to quote >>8783512

>>8783524
It keeps happening. I meant to quote >>8783511

>>8783524
>don't use "to be''
You wat m8
>быть - the be
>бытиe - being
>был/былa/были - I, you, he, it was/she was/they,we were
>бyдy/бyдeшь/бyдeт/бyдyт - I will/you will/ he, she, it will/ they, we will
>бывaeт - be-ing (to be in present simple/continuous form)

>>8783569
Don't use "to be" in the sense that "I am a doctor". is "Я дoктop" in Russian.

>>8775601
Learning languages is fun, anon. There nothing exactly like it.

>>8783580
Oh, okay. Though you can still technically say 'Я ecть дoктop' which sounds retarded but is grammatically correct. Also, old slavonic had the word 'ecмь' which was used exactly like the english 'to be'
>Я ecмь Aльфa и Oмeгa, нaчaлo и кoнeц, гoвopит Гocпoдь
>I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord

>>8783605
Interesting, I didn't know that was grammatically correct. Lots of things are grammatically correct but sound retarded in spoken Russian. At least, that's what my friends tell me.

>>8778576
Once you get fluent it really doesn't matter.
Scandinavian isn't a that segregated language.

>>8783643
Okay for Norwegian and Swedish somewhat (but still not all that much) but Russian and Finnish? They are really not alike.

>>8779866
The only person I know who studies Latin is still with her childhood sweetheart. Fills you with hope that.

>>8775857
my personal list, in no order, would be:
>gogol's dead souls [it's ochen russian]
>bratya karamazovy [which handles salvation in a much more nuanced way than tolstoy imho]
>eugene onegin [for that beautiful rhyme scheme]
>war and peace [c'mon]

hon. mentions:
>ivan ilyich
>fathers and children
>master and margarita
>kharms and mayakovsky

>>8779866
the only latin student i knew was a BDSM slut who concocted a threesome with her best friend and myself, got jealous, then accused me of rape.

i was her latin tutor

>>8775463
Can anyone rec me good Afrikaans literature? Is there any Dutch literature good enough for me to bother learning it? I speak fluent Afrikaans so obviously Afrikaans lit is preferred but learning Dutch wouldn't be much of a hassle, and I can already easily understand basic written Dutch, at least on /int/.

>>8783643
>>8783669
Finnish and Russian are completely different from the scandinavian languages. Russian and Finnish are completely different from each other.

I know Standard English and AAVE

>>8778849
basically this. there is no point

>>8775463
>>he knows only one language
You are so dumb OP there is only ONE act of speaking a language.

What you hear when people speak are different phonemes.

>>8783883
oh you sly motherfucker you got him good

>>8783483

>If I write a book describing an object with a specific emotion and I translate it perfectly into French that description and emotion is still the exact same.

You're simply a pleb if you think that's the case. Words in different languages are not equivalent. The sound of the word, the feeling, the associations are completely different. Some words are more or less equivalent but most are not.

>>8783669
Finland is not in Scandinavia.

>>8783895
seyz u

>>8783189
KEK

>>8783409
>French
>Neutral gender
Fuck off.

>>8785367
>il ne connaît pas le neutre

>>8786851
On est vraiment racisto

>>8778407
/int/ has a wiki about learning foreign languages:
4chanint [.] wikia [.] com
I am using Duolingo + some easy readings to learn Italian

>>8783255
>Persian
>mudslime language

retard, Arabic, Turkish and Farsi aren't even in the same language families. I don't think Hafez and Zakani's poems are about how cool Mohammad is. Here's one from Zakani:

I'll fix this hangover, then find a whore
Who'll be prepared to let me through her door;
And then my prick will either have her cunt
Or ass, but which of them I'm not quite sure.

>>8786981
bravo/a. Quando sei forte prova diochan e niuchan

The best thing about learning Italian has been the effect it has on my English. A lot of vocabulary suddenly starts to make sense. You see words in a different way. This first clicked for me when I saw the English word "olfactory fatigue" and instinctively knew what it meant because "olfatto" is Italian for the sense of smell. Reading the works of English authors who are notorious for having a difficult vocabulary is a lot less frustrating if you have a good level of Italian. The only problem is, after so much exposure to Italian, my English has also started to change and reflects a more Romantic word order and choice of vocabulary.

It's because of how satisfying learning Italian has been that I am now struggling to decide what language to learn next. What language could compare? A language that's rewarding in itself and can enrich one's English?

>>8775736
all you need

>>8775475holy...i want more

>>8787116
German?