/lit/ - Literature

failure of a man who wanted to be wonderful at math but is now suicidal here

Give me some good math/science intensive books please

>>8758510
That's an ugly fucking picture, fuck you.

Make charts great again

>>8758520
Greg Egan's stuff might be worth a look

QUICK

WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE TECHNOLOGY OR CONCEPT FROM A HARD SCI-FI STORY

Any recommendations for the Warhammer 40k novels? I know nothing about the lore.

Daily reminder this is a board about literature and Science Fiction and Fantasy are not literature. You are kindly invited to move such threads to /b/ or reddit.

you haven't reminded me daily though

Any fantasy with exponential powerelevels eg destroying planets at the end?

>>8758916
>tripfag
Your opinion is of no value, piss off now

>>8758916
Suck my dick, faggot.

>>8758936
My opinion is of no value, yet that of eternal teenage virgins who wallow in the most infantile and inane genre of fiction should somehow prevail?
You fucks must be such a disappointment to your families. Take your escapism somewhere else.

>>8758916
Some of it is literature.

>>8758944
Isn't all non-fiction escapism in a sense? Indeed, some historical accounts are escapism too, like Jews pretending that they were genocided to feel like they aren't a privileged class and wealthy but underdogs instead.

>>8758944
>i dont have an imagination so i brand science fiction and fantasy as escapism to feel superior

haha fuck off ya cunt. Your pretentiousness just radiates from the way you type and the fact you're a tripfag just adds to it. Get off your high horse

>>8758916
>>8758944
>"They don't read what I read, so I get mad" The post
Only time I will consciously reply to your inane drivel. Thank you for your opinion nonetheless.

>>8758944
There's currently a YouTube thread, two comicbook threads, and one asking for "good anti semetic novels" on the board. Take your elitist cuntery somewhere else.

>>8758954

>>8758971
It wasn't always like this and it doesn't have to always be like this either.

>>8758954
No, not really. Escapism (as in Horror, Detective Fiction, Science Fiction, Historical novels, Fantasy, etc.) only exists to provide the reader with entertainment and an alternate reality. It has no redeeming value whatsoever, and doesn't wish to achieve anything beautiful. Its goal isn't to further a three thousand year-old tradition of thought and art ; it merely is to provide folks with easy, cheap thrills. It's not a matter of taste or subjectivity --- it isn't literature. Literature, at its core, is a research in aesthetics. Escapism is a research in pleasure.

Objective criteria exist. Science Fiction and Fantasy do not qualify as literature.

>>8758980
Fortunately the rest of the free world disagrees with you.

>>8758980

>>8758980
>Literature, at its core, is a research in aesthetics.
I disagree, it's not about aesthetics but substance and formulating that in elegant manners. Pretty prose or poems are nothing without great thought behind them.

>>8758980
What SFF have you actually read? I mean, a good bit of it actually is as you describe, but not all. At its best, Science Fiction explores how the "tradition of thought and art" might grow and change in years to come, and Fantasy echoes back to past mythologies and archetypes in interesting ways. It sounds like you're judging a very broad field based on some Star Wars novelizations you happened to run across.

>>8758987
I would actually agree with him in a broad sense, genre fiction written to be genre fiction is trash. It's okay to enjoy trash but one must never become pretentious about it. Unfortunately the majority of books that does not belong to the ghetto of genre fiction are mostly garbage too thanks to women and other hack writers.

I don't think I've ever read science fiction that isn't progressive erotica but there are early "fantasy" stories that have built on the tradition of myth.

>>8758870
The needle-casting and cortical stack stuff from the Takeshi Kovacs series.

>>8758992
>thanks to women and other hack writers
I've actually found women to have a slightly better average; there's fewer really brilliant ones - Susanna Clarke and that Brit who did The Bloody Chamber are all that really spring to mind - but they don't seem to produce Goodkind-tier autists either.

>>8758980
>complaining about this on an anime website

>>8759030
>>>/vip/

>>8759006

>womameme authors

lol

>>8759047
Oh, right, you're one of THAT lot. Never mind then.

>>8759051

Name 3 good fantasy womameme authors

>>8759006
The two I mentioned above >>8759006 and, I dunno, Willis or McAffrey or someone. Keep in mind "good" isn't a particularly tough standard, since half of /sffg/ considers Sanderson to be good.

Why aren't there any decent books about Magic and living with Magic? The only good stories either have "We can influence a bit but it's barely magic" or it's about normal humans and there happen to be also some people or race that can do magic but it is hardly focused on it.
I like shit like Harry Potter. Yes it has tons of flaws but there's a shitton on fucking magic in it. Even better besides a few flaws which had to be corrected in later Books (Like time travel) it all makes a certain degree of sense.
I want a book that's bursting at the seams with magic.

>>8759059

Name 3 more actual good authors now

>>8759061

Magicians trilogy
Malazan
Anything Sanderson

>>8759063
I get the feeling if I do you'll just post "now name 3 actual good ones" again.

>>8759061
I wanted to write something about two magicians searching for a person who discovered a new form of magic that breaks the rules of reality, but I never got around to it as is often the case.

>>8759071

You mean you wanted to write Jonathan Strange And mr noreelll?

>>8759066
I read the first Magicians book and... well it was ok. But again it was super fucking inconsistent. At first they only manage to do small "party trick" tier magic which is fine, then they go to russian gulag style winter magic boot camp and suddenly they are all quite really good at magic but then they go somewhere and can barely magic again because the planets are different.. and by the end of it the fucker is so freaking good at magic that he can fly to the fucking moon like superman himself and except for the first time I hardly feel like these are any deserved jumps in power. It very much looks like they rise and fall as the plot demands it. Had one of the best sex scenes in it though and I don't mean the cuckery.

>>8759071
Sounds like Raymond E. Feists "Magician"

>>8759073
>You mean you wanted to write Jonathan Strange And mr noreelll?
Maybe, but with an American man and a British woman that are constantly shifting between bickering over non-essential stuff, flirting at the wrong time, and arguing over where to look for said magician next when trails grow cold or when the clues get too mixed up.

>>8759054
>>8759063
Carolyn
Janice
Cherry

Help me /ssfg/, you're my only hope. The science fiction genre is mostly uncharted territory for me and I have trouble finding a particular kind of book that I want to read. It's hard to know where to even start looking so please help me out here.

Basically what I'm after is a standalone book with little to none jewery and degeneracy that's about strange alien worlds, pioneering space and solving mysteries. That sounds simple but the problem is that while all of those things are prevalent in the genre they're almost always used as a backdrop for something else. I'm looking for something that focuses on those weird landscapes of distant planets, the journey to those places and what discoveries lies waiting. Preferably not too large in scale, I dislike epics about the whole of humanity.

>>8759142

Dune.

>>8759142

The Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy

>>8759146
I've read Dune, it's one of the reasons I want what I mentioned. The well realised setting and atmosphere really was something else.
>>8759151
Isn't Douglas Adams a meme author? Seems a bit too whacky for me.

>>8759158

He is but it's still a fun journey

>>8759158
douglas isnt a meme author. he's actually pretty good.

i wouldnt recommend hitchhikers though.

>>8759142
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Bova_bibliography

I'm not sure if there is any jewery and degeneracy behind these works as I can barely remember them, from reading some about 10 years ago

>>8759142
Chuck Tingle. He writes wholesome books for normal men.

>>8758924
Raymond E Feist kinda gets to that level, but it takes lots and lots of books. When the first story arc is about a war between two worlds fought between magic rifts, the escalation gets pretty dramatic really fast. I tapped out when it became about trying to fight an entire plane of existence that was ruled by an evil god trying to destroy their universe.

I just wanna play video games and write books my entire life with next to no human contact and be able to both sustain and indulge myself in my life style. Is this possible /lit/?

>>8759211
If you sell yourself and write erotica or YA then it is possible. Or you can play the lottery and try to write good genre fiction.

>>8759214
>Sell yourself
Doesn't sound so bad. Rowling got away with it.

>>8759142
So you want a book about extraterrestrials and exploration without degeneracy - so nothing featuring sex outside of marriage, homosexuality, incest, blasphemy, conspicuous consumption... and nothing by a Jewish man either.

Rendezvous With Rama by Arthur C Clarke should be boring enough for your strait-laced tastes, but he might have been a homosexual IRL, and he wasn't a God-fearing Christian either. If you're sensitive dear heart can live with that, go ahead.

>>8759219
I'm not convinced she's so self-aware. But once again, she one the lottery big time. Odds are won't happen to you, after all you can't write Harry Potter again.

>>8759228
Was talking about selling myself and write YA. Nobody in their right mind plays the lottery these days.

>>8759224
Clarke was a gay pedo.

>>8758886
Eisenhorn

>>8758909
Why do you insist on calling Berserk shounen? It's not at all, and you've already been corrected.

>>8758980
>entertainment
>no redeeming value
Go fuck yourself
Almost all literature exists for entertainment purpose. Literature isn't a necessity and it isn't a vehicle for social change in this day and age.
Writers can please themselves by saying their work advances the craft but after postmodernism there is no advancing or refining; just going in different directions. An honest writer knows that they're basically just an entertainer and takes pride in it.

>>8759250
>but after postmodernism there is no advancing or refining; just going in different directions.
What if you're not a postmodernist?

>>8759250
>Almost all literature exists for entertainment purpose.
That's not true, considering it was not written or read for entertainment. Get your plebiean head out of your plebiean ass and read a book that isn't fantasy garbage.

>>8759311
The movement still affected the art form. Postmodernism made the continous development of artistic crafts and the increasing number of complex literary theories look absurd.
Proper literature or anything else that can be classed as fine art is for faggots. Do what you want.

>>8759312
I write knowing that I'm just a storyteller and I'm happy with it. Likewise I read stories that entertain me.
You look down on any book which wasn't written with the intent of bringing about change like a stuck up cunt.

>>8759323
Everything during and after modernism is for queers. Without Tradition and transcendental values everything you do will be garbage.

>>8759340
Go home Gene Wofle

>>8759340
jesus isn't gonna suck ur dick bro

>>8759344
No.

>>8759151
>>8759167
I was also about to also recommend Hitchhikers guide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wCF50U-0Dg

I find it quite difficult to be genuinely amusing in book form but Douglas Adams actually manages that pretty damn well.

>>8758870
Ooh tough one.

Watts, of course.

ConSensus was hardly his idea, but he described it well enough. All the transhuman elements from BS and Echo were excellent. I loved all the shit was Starfish too. He's a hard scifi's hard-on.

>>8759142
Fuckinnnnn Gateway.
Or Chasm City.
Or Hyperion.

All bangers.

>>8759379
>I find it quite difficult to be genuinely amusing in book form but Douglas Adams actually manages that pretty damn well.

I listened to the audiobook, and the narrator made it probably funnier than if I were to just read it

>>8758916
Lets all reports this tripfag who spams our thread every time, maybe a few days banned would ease his sense of superiority.

>>8759389
The Stephen Fry one I linked? I fucking love Stephen Fry, Probably my favourite gay. I don't normally listen to Audio Books but I did make an exception for him reading Hitchhikers and Harry Potter.

>>8759387
actually chasm city is full of degeneracy but it's condemned so

>>8759397
I used to listen to audiobooks while I was at work. His Harry Potter one is really good.

>>8758510
>Eragon

>>8759397

I think it was read by the author

>>8759349
>Gene Wolfe gets more pussy than you
Fuck

What do people here think of Claire North? I thought First Fifteen Lives of Harry August was fantastic for something trying to walk the line between sf and mainstream literature.

>>8759411

>Womameme

Probably garbage

>Planning on writing a book that may or may not turn´into a series, or at least try to.
>I push the limit of how many books I could at most write with the plot, characters, and world building I have.
>18 books
It's good to have dreams, but pipe dreams are not healthy. Fug.

>>8759413
Admittedly her more recent stuff hasn't been great, except for The Gameshouse. But Harry August was good alternate history stuff

>>8759078
>>8759061
Fox god was the best scene, I concur.

Try Black Jewels Trilogy and cogweaver trilogy for magic.


I read all the books that was memed to me. Will update the chart soon with those that made the cut.

>>8759413
I was thinking about that, I don't really know many female authors I enjoy. I tried trudi canavan and she was kinda fucking terrible. And I think the last female author I enjoyed might have been J.K. with the Potter Books.

But couldn't it be just confirmation bias? If you see Hunger Games or Twilight you go "ugh, another terrible fucking female author, girls suck at writing" but when you see a Dan Brown you don't go "fuck men are terrible at this" you just go "ugh another terrible book by a terrible person"

>>8759428
I'm honestly amazed by the fact you can read so much garbage and not get bored of it.

>>8759420
How about writing one book before planning the rest? You never know how it might change during its making.

Actually now I'm here.

I quite enjoyed Chasm City. It reminded me oh Hyperion with a little more modernity and less magic. While sometimes the twists and turns didn't quite add up, and the whole excuse of Reynolds lack of imagination by using twentieth century tech being a) it's all shit!!! or b) fashion were lame. (Hope you followed my second point there).

What else is good in revelation space? I would like to read a little more if nothing else just to scratch my old Hyperion itch.

>>8759061
Nigga you need Diana Wynne Jones in your life. Start with Deep Secret, maybe Archer's Goon or Dark Lord of Derkholm.
>muh YA
Deep Secret isn't, and Jones was highly respected by many adult fantasy writers.

>>8759170

>>8759387
>Hyperion
>non-degenerate
>the soldier's story
>>8759142
The Golden Age is what you want. Look up Astounding and Planet Stories on archive.org and read what Heinlein wrote before but not including Stranger in a Strange Land.

>>8759224
Did you read that book? They did the freaky, just tell the guy to ask his redpilled friends.

>>8759431
Robin Hob does well enough with the Farseer trilogy, but her stuff is extremely hit or miss. Her Soldier Son series is fucking awful, and even in her good books, like Farseer, she often has problems writing male characters. Specifically, several times her male character break character completely and act like women. Plus everything in the Fitz and the Fool followups to Farseer just gets progressively gayer and gayer.

>>8759224
>might have been
He literally moved to Sri Lanka and got a shota harem. You shouldn't avoid his books because of his disgusting behavior, you should avoid them because they're disgustingly boring.

>>8759434
This. Don't fucking write a book in the hopes it turns into a fucking TV show or Movie. Write a screenplay then. What kind of backwards ass thinking is that? If you wanna write for the screen, write for the screen. If you want to write a book stop thinking about "But what if it get's adapted onto film or broadway or interpretive dance?" Just try to write the best god damn book you can.

>>8759239
>taking the bait

>>8759407
The read-by-the-author version was one of my favorite audiobooks. I hadn't particularly cared for the books when I read them in paperback.

>>8759450
I've always thought it's better to write the ending first. That way you don't get derailed too much in the process by whatever pops into your head - you have a start point which needs to reach your established end point, rather than just meandering.

>>8759446
Why do women keep writing male protagonists as cucks? Fitz didn't even get that sweet boypussi after his foster father fucked his waifu for years.

>>8759463
I always thought Fitz fit better with Ketricken, Molly was always kind of shallow.

>>8759446
>shit just gets gay
That's EXACTLY the problem I had with Trudi Canavan. She writes a pretty OK story about magic and magical society and how different cultures in her world utilize that magic and how not all people are magic and thus it brings a certain status too, but then OUT OF FUCKING NOWHERE like John Cena comes this sidestory: This Wizard is gay. Ohhh but the people don't like the gays! He has to hide his gayness or else he risks his social status! Isn't it terrible that he has to hide his gayness?? Poor wizard just wants to be gay loved in peace! But they treat the gays so poorly here! Can you see what I am doing here society? This is you society! This is you in this magical world being mean to the gays! bad society! bad! Oh but look, this other culture in my book, they like the gays! they see no problem whatsoever with being gay! Shouldn't we be more like them society?
and I'm like: Ugh fuck off you idealistic cunt. Why did you ruin your otherwise actually somewhat entertaining book with your fucking social agenda. And I'm not even right wing. Personally I really fucking like the gays. It just feels super fucking out of place to read a medieval fantasy magic story and suddenly have the author wag her finger at you in case you are a naughty boy who doesn't like the gays.

SPECIALLY in something that looks like it's supposed to be Medieval or at least earlier civilization where "gay panic" had a valid point. Because back then you were concerned with the continuation of your blood line. You needed offspring and you needed lots of it, Women had at least 7 kids because they expected at least 5 of them to die anyway. So if your only son who can produce offspring suddenly goes "Nah dad, I'm gonna waste my seed in some guy" the father beats the shit out of both of them for seriously endangering his bloodline. God if your man died a woman was expected to re-marry real fucking quick because it doesn't take much for a village to die out when a few people decide not to have kids any more. It's fucking horrible but the world wasn't always god damn rainbows and sunshine. Of course in a modern society there is no need for arranged marriages or continuing any bloodlines and we have an excess in babies anyway that it's a fucking wonder why we're not just throwing them at the gays. But that's a point for another book.

>>8759433
I work as an editor/proofreader at a tv station, I need to read crap(the good and the bad) or my brain would fry. You do find some diamonds in the rough though.
Highly recommend library at mount char.

I don't use failbook, shwitter or the other social platforms. I got time to read before and after work.
"read" being a relative term, seeing as I mostly use audiobooks

>>8759465
stop
you're giving me cuckoldry flashbacks

>>8759170

>>8759142
>little to none jewery and degeneracy
Fuck off desu

>>8759484
not him but explain

>>8759445
I read it but my recollection isn't perfect - but now you mention it, I think the main character did bundle up with a shipmate, and outside of marriage no less! Most degenerate indeed. I thought the book was a boring one (not lurid enough for me.) I liked The City And The Stars better, and on reflection it is a better recommendation for homeboy here >>8759142 because it was a product of the 1950's, so I don't think there is anything too saucy or transgressive.

Not that I am shitting on the 1950's, there is plenty of good storytelling, even when writers had to be more mindful about matters of taste and decency. Earth Abides is a brilliant novel - but there is an interracial relationship, so I can't recommend that to Mr Redpill either.

Just finished the Broken Empire trilogy and was pleasantly surprised by how good the series was. Especially impressed with the ending although book two was definitely the best book overall especially with the twist at the end.

Any thoughts on the series?

Has anyone who's read the series also read The Red Queen's War trilogy? I'm looking for something more lighthearted and heard this might be a good choice.

>>8759665
Everything by the writer is bad.

>>8759495
if you want to recc Earth Abides try giving him a white savior complex so he can see interracial relationships without being triggered.

I'm looking for a book or series, sci-fi or fantasy, with a really interesting world or magic system. Something I can get lost in even when I'm not reading. I've read most of the big names but feel free to suggest them anyway in case I haven't/

>>8759690
Souls in the Great Machine. Feudal Australia with a mechanical slave-powered supercomputer.

>>8759669
I know this is a troll post but, what are some things people dislike about Lawrence's writing?
For me...
-He switches between characters and jumps into the past too often.
-The balance between humor and seriousness isn't always pulled off well.
-There is a large lack of direction for long stretches of plot. (although this can be seen as part of the plot in some cases)
-Sometimes the grimdark parts of the plot feel forced especially when it comes to character deaths and tying up loose ends.

>>8759721
It's not, what made you think that? He's in the same category as Sanderson, Weeks and the usual redditor writers. Hell, he literally posts on /r/fantasy daily.

What should you think about when world building a star system?

>>8759665
Finished the trilogy, tried the first book of the queen's war. It's Prince of thorns with a chromopack, sprite and palette change.

Too similar to the original trilogy for my tastes, dropped the series after the first book. I mean we all know what happens at the end, and this is just a adventure story in a familiar setting, and I didn't enjoy the series so much that I want to return to it.

>>8759665

I've read a lot of shitty fantasy books. I love the genre. I fucking hated that book, and everything about it. I very rarely drop books, especially short ones like your pic related, but I just couldn't bring myself to read any further.

Not my cup of tea at all. Total try-hard garbage.

>>8759723
>anything popular is redshit
>redishit is bad I don't go there!!
>I somehow know which authors post regularly on that site

help

http://www.bookdepository.com/search?searchTerm=gene+wolfe&search=Find+book

all of these are ugly, but which are the most comfy holding-wise?

Anybody got a pic of theirs if you got some from here? Don't care about cover, only weight/paper/font

>>8759758
Who are you quoting?

>>8759724
Oh wow. Hey guys.
The autism anon who asks what he should feel after reading a book is now wanting to be a author.

Hope you have your filter / report scripts up for when he asks how to start a chapter, to name a character, the describe life in text(prose), how to do everything pertaining to a novel.
Don't forget what topic he should write on.

>>8759387
The satyr guy in Hyperion is a massive degenerate.

>>8759769
>every thread till you like it

>>8759777
>The autism anon who asks what he should feel after reading a book is now wanting to be a author.
What?

>>8759723
I don't care if a writer is popular or posts on reddit. Both of these reasons are quite childish for calling a book or series bad. Personally I think his writing is quite good despite some flaws.

More than anything though I'd just like to discuss the books a bit. If you really think his writing is terrible I'd love to hear why. I don't mean this sarcastically either(troll answers such as being popular non-withstanding).

>>8759774
>how do I 4chan

You just outted yourself you fucking redshitor scum. Anyone on 4chens for more than 3 years would understand my post.

Fucking get out

>>8759792
>how do I 4chan
I can tell you that but I won't. Instead I recommend to just lurk more.

>>8759788

Why did you like the book? I just thought the setting was boring as hell, the characters were awful and boring, and the plot was terribly boring. It had no redeeming qualities. Perhaps I just missed something, since I happily read Sanderson etc, but this book just makes me angry even thinking about it.

Why do you like it?

>>8759786
Lurk more
Better yet be here since last year.

>>8759792

Ya dun goofed now, son. Ya dun goofed.

>>8759801
Calm down with the autism there, mate. I only asked a question. Try to not get so triggered next time.

>>8759797
>ha! I sure showed him

>>8759804
How so? I was here since 07(in b) after a few years you pick up the lingo. Redshit scum out themselves so easy.

also slaughter porno when? I heard she already with a production company. Wanna see that blown out hole harpooned.

>>8759807
You asked a question like how our local low iq anon asked questions. You deserved what you got.

>>8759821

The "Who are you quoting?" is a meme from /tv/, I believe. I don't go there myself, but it was very popular around a year ago, I think. It sort of bled into other boards, but has since largely disappeared... until its return in this thread, where you mistakenly took it for reddit retardation.

>>8759827
>You deserved what you got.
You screaming like a manchild? I appreciate the entertainment, son, even if it's off-topic.

>>8759724
Read up on a lot of real-universe star systems. Binaries are common, Hot Jupiters exist and are pretty common, young stars often have accretion discs, so on. Read up on basic orbital mechanics, clearing the neighborhood, shepherd moons, those sorts of things. I don't have a guide handy but there's a world-building general on /tg/, there's probably someone with sf worldbuilding knowledge over there.

>>8759856
Thank you! I'll check it out.

>>8759870
Atomic Rockets also has a lot of SF worldbuilding info, some of it very good (energy sidearms) and some of it screechingly autistic (stealth in space).
http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/

>>8759835
>The "Who are you quoting?" is a meme from /tv/
No it isn't, it's from /jp/.
It started there because the intended purpose of greentexting is quoting and it's how it's used on 2chan.

>>8759758
>>8759774
>>8759792
>>8759797
>>8759821
>>8759835
>This development of events

>>8759891
Can you explain exactly why and how it is funny? I'm serious, I want to know.

>>8759880

I stand corrected. Thanks, friend.

Anybody read The Hanging Tree yet? Is Martin Chorley, dare I say it, /ourguy/?

>>8759895
just that old joke of someone acting like they are 4chan pro until someone else educates them on what is a 4chan meme.

>>8759782
suck a nigger dick

>>8759495
>Mr Redpill
I feel like I'm getting bullied here but thanks for the advice anyway. That goes for everyone who replied, my bookstore shopping list expanded quite a lot thanks to this thread.

>>8758510
What are some short but good fantasy books?

>>8759799
The thing I liked most about the series is the gradual change of Jorg from a edgy ignorant kid out only for himself, to one that literally sacrifices himself for the greater good. The key part here being gradual. I find a lot of times there can be just one moment that completely changes a character and it feels very contrived. There is a point where it seems like this happens in book 2 but luckily it doesn't.

The first book is by far the weakest in the series however, it set up the second and third books really well. If someone told me they read the first book and hated it I could see their point of view. That isn't to say that I would agree that it isn't a good book overall(I mean obviously why else would I be typing all this).

The setting I liked (not loved) mainly because the "twist" of it being a post-doomsday future was hinted at but not spelled out explicitly(at least not until you've already figured it out). There was a subtle hand employed in the writing for Lawrence to not blow his load all at once. I don't recall there ever being a massive info-dump which was a positive for me(although there were a few smaller info-dumps which were meh to me). Nothing felt like it was deliberately being hidden just to make the "twist" about the world jump out at you more. The world felt organic from Jorg's perspective and in-turn the world-building felt organic to me.

The plot and by extent the pacing is by far the weakest parts of these books. In book one it is particularly bad. Lawrence can come up with interesting scenarios and ideas but man does he struggle to string them together sometimes. He relies on the crutch of Sargeras and in later books Fexler to piece together his scenarios and make a main plot. What happens isn't always amazing but how Jorg reacts to it always interested me. There are some really good moments though especially in the second book.

I already talked about why I liked Jorg but the characters in general felt good to me too. Even someone like Olidan or Sargeras who you should hate, have good, believable reasons for doing what they do. This is actually a large theme through the series. While things viewed in a vacuum or from only one perspective seem absolutely horrible, viewed from another they may be necessary or even righteous. It's explained through the story and even directly by Jorg although he views this as a bit of a dilemma. Most of the "Road-Brothers" did feel like throw-away characters. Although the very best moment in the series involves Rike (perhaps the most token character). Markin and Nuban were the exceptions to this. They were both charming, had good dialogue and had pretty good backstories(albiet somewhat generic in Markin's case especially). Katherine I absolutely hated though. If you hated her good on you anon!

I have some more thoughts too and would like to continue discussing if anyone wants to talk some more.

>>8760031
My love life.

>>8760031
The Library at Mount Char

>>8758510
>Name of The Wind
>god tier
ohohohooh am i triggered

What are the best Conan editions?

Man this thread went to shit fast.

Why can no one tell me anything about Steven Brust?

>>8760163
Engaging the not-literature guy kills threads.

>>8760032
Yeah but the book is popular on Reddit and therefore it is bad.

>>8758980
Most of your favorite authors would slap your face for saying stupid shit like this.

>>8760246
Other way around: It is bad, therefore it is popular on Reddit. Good books aren't popular there.

>finally get new content to subside my stormlight archive animu hunger
>it's nothing but lift, lift and more lift
>try to read it anyway


I can't fucking do it, I'm stopping every 3 paragraphs to calm myself.

>>8758870
Psychohistory from Foundation probably

Why do all of Sanderson's works remind me of The Burning Crusade?

>>8760260

What did you mean?

>>8760260

I got to page 16 in the arcanum

>>8760279
Because that's where Blizzard got it from.

>>8758870
All the crazy astronomical phenomena we are observing is actually the by-products of war and industry from aliens so much more advanced than we are they don't even notice us.

>>8760260
!Pondering42 Brandon Sanderson - Arcanum Unbounded- The Cosmere Collection (Edgedancer; The Eleventh Metal; The Hope of Elantris; etc) (retail) (epub).rar

>>8760260
you have to channel your awesomeness

>>8760260
I hope she noticeably grows up during the last half of SA.

Some neat info presented in Edgedancer, and the whole Arcanum.

>>8759934
I knew the "who are you quoting" is a meme, I just used some ad hominem and false cause to help out the redditor scum for who he is.

You can use all the "I was just pretending" macros you want, redshitor scum needs to be eradicated on sight.
I will play the fool if it allows me to attack redshit.

>>8760037
Yes, lets shill this more

>>8760144
The one in pic related.

>>8758916
Thank you based mods.

That fucking tripfag days are numbered. We don't shitpost in IJ threads, don't shitpost in ours.

>>8760422

Oy

Why did the sheod not complete itself after the chasm, when before the chasm, and before the huge aon something in the ground, it did

Our girl.

>>8760110
ive been wanting to read this. heard its kind of boring but worth the read overall.

>>8760685
Is this bait?

>>8760689
not bait at all. some have recommended it on here and in real life and ive also seen people like you who absolutely hate it.

>>8760685
>>8760689
>>8760694

I read it and I liked it, even looking past all the ridiculous faults with it, I still want to know what happens in the end

>>8760694
It's a dumpster fire of a series. First book is mediocre and the second is straight garbage. I want the hours I spent reading it back.

>>8760694
I get the idea that it's a fun read, especially if you take it on its own terms, but if we didn't constantly rag on it we'd have the Naruto Effect where we'd talk about nothing else. And I can understand the argument that we do talk about Sanderson a lot, but we're able to preserve the necessary detachment most of the time.

>>8760694
>>8760685

>>8760654
Could you rephrase this? Sorry. I may not even be able to answer.

>>8760694
The only cool part of the series is the Cthaeh, which is conceptually terrifying in a way I don't often find in even horror fiction. The rest is awful though.

>>8760775

The elantrians became such after they were taken or w/e it's called, before the chasm everything worked well, but that was also during when the great aon something was in place, but before that, the sheod still took them, how did they manage to be elantrians before elantria was founded, they couldnt have simply been weak cant heal things

What is the one quintessential fantasy novel you would recommend to a newbie?

>>8760798
Doesn't exist and depends on your taste. But if you want something important that's also good then "The Once and Future King"

>>8760798
Lotr

where do I get good ideas?

>>8760821
this
>>8760836
read up on actual history.

>>8760836
Put yourself in situations you're not often in. Do things you rarely to never think about. Explore and experience the unknown, or at least what is yet unknown to you.

Read about history because the best kinds of stories are tailored to real events, even if you add or detract certain characters/elements from it. TAKE LONG SHOWERS!

>>8760654
...

>>8760672
I have 700 recorded on goodreads.
Come at me bro.

>>8760933
>700
pleb

>>8758510
hey boys, been reading stormlight archives and loving it but I'm gonna take a break. any recommendations for me? btw my favorite fantasy novels of all time are the name of the wind and the lies of locke lamora.

>>8761009
Go ask reddit.

>>8760654
wut

>>8759912
Nah, he's more /pol/, I'd say /ourguy/ is that Reynard guy

>>8760992

>>8761009
Look here >>8759428 to see if you like anything. Will update to ver 3 soon.

>>8760797
I don't know what to tell you. Sorry. I still don't really understand everything you're asking/implying. You might have better luck lurking the 17th Shard forums.

>>8761009
>taking a break from a two-book series
w0w

>>8761054
You now know that yoshi looks like a boxing glove.

>>8761105
yeah putting it like that it sounds retarded but reading sanderson can be like chewing dry chicken man lol

>>8761105

Before the chasm hit the earthquake there were still elantrians there must have been because elantris was built before the earthquake the chasm the chasm the earthquake so before that happened there must have been elantrians but before then before elantria was built the huge aon something ward w/e its called was built that is the elantria the people must have still been taken through sheod that transformed them into elantrians but how come after the chasm they were weak and powerless until the great ward was fixed when before the great ward was even built the elantrians came to their full power before the great ward of elantria was built

>>8761147
I agree with ya. I have memory problems, and thus, don't claim to have a 100% accurate knowledge of his material. Plus I would bet cash money we could make AT LEAST two novels-worth of information gleaned from interviews/Q&As/etc.

>>8761177
It's 'Elantris', friend. Not 'Elantria'. Also I'm pretty drunk right now so I won't even pretend to comprehend this but I would advise you to lurk either the coppermind wiki or the forums that I mentioned previously.

>>8761177
You're asking why Elantrians turned into zombies before the earthquake changed the spell written on the landscape, right? I can understand you mostly but it's been a long time since I read Elantris.

>>8761206
>>8761209

Yes but I gave a logical progression procession progression that I found no answer you say yes the earthquake but no answer to before the earthquake the chasm but not the earthquake the chasm before the elantriS was even built why didnt they turn into husks who couldnt heal themselves during the shaod before elantriS was built but only after elantriS was built and only after the earthquake it happened not before not before the elantriS was built not before

>>8761225
Are you under the influence of some kind of chemical?

>>8761225
>progression procession progression
Look, bro. I'm drunk and there is no fucking way you should expect me to comprehend shit like this.

Seriously though, check the coppermind wiki. It would likely answer your question(s) faaaaaaaaaaar better than I can.

>>8758510
I'm reading my first book (outside of what I had during school days), Elantris, and am at Chapter 11 but I'm not quite feeling myself get immersed like I feel I should be

I can't tell if this is because of my shit tier attention span or if maybe I'm reading a shit tier book. It could honestly be either.

How would I test this? What books would u recommend that are truly immersive and god tier so I can see if its me or the book

>>8761239

I did check it and it had no answers for the questions I am asking the questions I am asking you right now the questions you are not so far answering without defecting I want answers to the question I am asking

>>8761245
Immersion is subjective. That said, Elantris is one of Sanderson's weaker books.

For something that might draw you in better, I've got a hunch you'd like Red Rising.

>>8761247
Nigga, I've told you that I am not sober and cannot answer your questions. I do not claim to be a perfect retainer of Cosmere knowledge, and my inebriation only hurts this attempt to provide assistance to you. Check the forums then; there are some giga-autists there who can answer literally anything you want to know.

>>8761245
>>8761256
Maybe I should've used "to care" instead of "immersed"

Maybe I seek something that is more personal to each of the characters or maybe something that is more... relateable?

Idk, I'm still new to this stuff

One day I'll finish Malazan and start reading again. My list is beginning to feel stale.

would having sex with someone under the imperius curse be considered rape?

If drunken consent doesn't count then surely that would be rape

>>8761328
What if you commanded them to consent on their own free will?

>>8761305
Putting somebody under the imperius curse is already rape.

>>8761305
>>8761337
If you achieved the same effect with scopolomine, would that be considered rape?

The answer is yes.

>>8760711
This image convinces me the people who hate on Name of the Wind are pseuds.

>>8761358
If you're that easily suggestible, I can easily see why you'd enjoy Rothfuss books.

>>8760694
It's a popular series with a very polarizing main character so you have to realize there would be people who hate it even in a reasonable environment. But /lit/ is not a reasonable environment. People here will hate on basically anything popular just as a form of posturing to make people think they have really discerning taste. You'll note most of the criticism of the book (and I use that term very lightly for what is posted here) is mostly just parroting memes.

>What this world needs is a book that culminates in an air-duel on robo-pegasi built by mole-Nazis

>>8761362
I see that image posted basically every time as an explanation for why it's bad, yet all it does is demonstrate the utter stupidity of the person who wrote it, to say nothing of the people who think it's worthy criticism.

>>8761358
Anon said with a proper amount of certainty in his voice.

>>8761373
Yes everybody should write in the exact same way (as dictated by you, the style guide master). Any deviations from the holy style guide are heresy and their authors shall be shamed and mocked by pseuds for eternity for daring to make them question their blind adherence to phony rules.

>>8761385
Anon typed furiously as he had become the god of thunder himself.

So I've started to read Mistborn. The characters and setting are pretty bland and the only value I've found in it so far are the ~~anime~~ fight scenes and magic - which are entertaining.

My point is - does it more action rich as it goes on, is it worth reading just for that?

>>8761409
No, half the book is the girl going to a ball and lusting after a dude. Drop it I'd say.

Would weird postmodern occult neo-noir like a book version of True Detective count as fantasy? Or something else?

>>8761412
Aaah fuck, here I was hoping for some no-brain entertainment. Thanks.

>>8761283

The Elatnrisanss didn't become weak slow unhealable during shaod shaed shaod before elantriSSSs was built so why did it happen after earthquake

>>8761385
That clumsy line of defence could be used to justify any writing style, no matter how awful it was.

>>8761409
>does it more action rich as it goes on
Yeah, there's some sweet action later.

>>8761413
Fantasy, horror and/or mystery, I guess. But TD is a ripoff of a book anyway.

>>8761415
>no-brain entertainment
How does that even work? Don't you need your brain to figure out whether it's entertaining or not?

>>8761446
>But TD is a ripoff of a book anyway.
What book?

>>8761232
maybe dihydrogen monoxide withdrawal; need to imbibe some

>>8761177
Punctuation... do you know of it?

>>8761459
Conspiracy Against the Huma Race mostly.
https://lovecraftzine.com/2014/08/04/did-the-writer-of-true-detective-plagiarize-thomas-ligotti-and-others/

>>8761446
it was a shitty figure of speech, anon

Anyone read the Hyperion Cantos? Just finished it and loved it.

>>8761473
Found the writing style tedious and dropped it in under 10 pages.

>>8761466
That doesn't make any sense. Borrowing philosophical themes from a book doesn't make it a rip off of that book.

>tfw been reading Hermione as Hermy-own instead of Hermy-o-nee until the 4th book

>>8761473
Loved it as well, one of my favourite series.
Might re-read sometime soon.

Any characters/places/themes you especially liked?

>>8761481
Why is someone on a 18+ site reading Harry Potter

>>8761423
Because the earthquake opened a fault line, that line changed the master rune/aon that Elantris functions on.

Read the entire book, everything is explained. If you can't understand (and English isn't your first language) try something easier.

>>8761492
Fuck you. l'm 20 and they were pretty entertaining

>>8761479
There's passages pretty much copied word-for-word, too

>>8761492
The last couple books are written for people 18+ in mind.

Also, I'm 22 and I love the RA Salvatore books. Dunno if that's considered 'kiddie' here or not...

>>8761490
Loved the priests tale and Sol's in the first book. Really enjoyed the explanation of the Techno Core as being a parasitic entity thats always in civil war with one another, and won't accept humanity evolving to something they're uncomfortable with.

Also the Star Tree in the 4th book was cool as fuck

>>8761394
Magical index san?

>>8761505
This desu. l'm 22 too, recently reread the half blood prince. Quite acceptable

Is the mistborn series any good?

>>8761514
no

>>8761509
Yeah the Dyson-sphere-tree was great.
The lethal FTL travel using the cruciform (was that the name?) stuck with me as well.

>>8761519
>>8761509
Also, sailing through the sea of grass, just thinking about it makes me nostalgic.

>>8761495

No man I understand that part but before the chasm before the city was built why did all the shaeods chosen not turn into the same hulks as after the chasm when the city of elantrias was not yet built

>>8761513

>>8761529
>hulks
Do you mean husks?
Are you asking why the people taken by the city didn't turn into a walking husks of a person, before they built the city and learned to use magic?

It's probably to do with the shard, it is shown that shards have intelligence (unless they are killed). The shard probably made sure no one turned into walking zombies, and probably directed the "called" on how to build. Probably thought them to use runes too.

>>8761555

The trips finally has an answer I am looking for the answer to the question I asked the answer to that question I thank you very deeply

>>8761490
Silenus' bathroom, impossible to forget. Also the Ousters are the coolest Cimbri knockoffs in all science fiction.

>>8761505
r. a. salvatore is perfectly acceptable. i just finished exile a little while ago. theyre alright. nothing too spectacular.

>>8760566
please stop

>>8761079
It says you need 1,000 m8.

>>8761256
I was thrilled with Elantris just because it told a single story in a single volume. I thought it was a great strike against the bloat that had taken over the genre. Little did I know what Sanderson had in mind.

>>8761710
Don't worry anon, I'm only planning one novel per big idea, plus a bunch of non-essential short stories.

Just finished this series up, was pretty good. A police inspector in Soviet Fantasy Russia gets sent to the capital to hunt down a terrorist, but shit gets weird and he ends up fleeing from the government with the daughter of a witch who is the key to open a "Druidic nuclear bomb" and kill a "angel" that fell out of space.

Just finished the harry potter series. What the fuck do l read now? l feel so empty.Each time l read it was like hanging out with irl friends

>>8761776
That looks like entirely my cup of tea, thanks anon. Also nice patriotic get for the holiday.

>>8761803
Red Rising.

>>8761776
>>8761807
Seven chapters in and does it stay this edgy?

What books are coming out in december? I need something to get me through a miserable winter of unemployment

>>8761719
>I'll try to see if I can tirn Sanderson into the bakker posts on lit meme
Bakker, stop throwing aspersions from yourself.

>>8761927
Bakker's better than me because he's actually published more than a 1200 word short story

>>8761776
j rated it really liked it
Shelves: audiobooks, chinatown, 2013
This is the China Miévilliest book that was ever China Miévilled by someone other than China Miéville.
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Not sure if I want to read it now...

Is there any YA that's actually a good read. So much of it is trash that I feel ashamed even looking at it but I'm all out of reading materials

>>8761944
His dark materials, sabriel,

>>8761945
I tried both of those years ago and didn't like them. Maybe I should try again

>>8761473
NANOMACHINES, SON

I regret my time spent. The last half was goddamn garbage.

>>8761555
>tfw finally getting the explanation behind the Dor, and the Cognitive Realm clusterfuck that is two Shards-without-a-Vessel

>>8761956
>reading the Endymion books

>>8758980
>Its goal isn't to further a three thousand year-old tradition of thought and art
>Fantasy is literally based on TENS of thousands of years worth of history and culture
Fuck off.

>>8761949
A lot of these I read in the pic years ago were ya. Looking back a lot is trash, but you might find something nice.

>>8761956
>tfw finally getting the explanation behind the Dor
When?
In the latest Sanderson book? I just applied reasoning to answer the guy's question, all that I said could be blown away in some dragonsteel/stormlight/elantris 2.0 book.

>>8762027
The mods deleted his first comment, hopefully he was banned too. Tripfags really are a scourge.

>>8758924
Count to a Trillion. Speaking of which, the 5th (of 6) books just came out this week.

>>8759475
>Ohhh
Nice tumblr blogpost you fucking faggot.

>>8762029
There's this arabian/western mashup I wanted to check out. I was even willing to put aside the fact that it's YA.

Then I found out it's a romance...

>>8761942
It certatinly encourages me, love a bit of New Weird

>>8761944
Diana Wynne Jones me bucko.

>>8762067
>Then I found out it's a romance...
That's not always a bad thing.

Are there any good fantasy/espionage books out there? Something in the vein of Le Carre, that isn't Weeks-tier edgy?

>>8762047
Have you read it yet? I thought the entire second part with the endless tedious rules of organization and breaks for little descriptions of random Empyrean planets was incredibly boring, but it was almost made up for with the reveal that the Hyades didn't know about the Monument at all and the duel where they're marching across the four-seasons ring.

But man, all those little Catholocisms are really starting to bug me.

>>8762087
Listen to this man.

>>8762093
It usually is, especially with YA

>>8762117
Green universe by jay lake... although the espionage is little....

Recommend me Soviet sci fi anons

>>8762295
I can almost remember reading one but can't think of the name or author. Sorry anon

>>8762295
Anything by Lem or the Strugatsky brothers
We by Yevgeny Zamyatin
The Slynx by Tatyana Tolstoya (great-grandniece of old Leo)
Memories of the Future by Sigizmund Krzhizhanovsky
Metro 2033, I guess

>>8761888
Stick with it, it's still introducing everything.

>>8762328
cheers lad

>>8762295
Probably most famous is Roadside Picnic
Then there's Prisoners of Power also known as Inhabited Island

More on the fantastical side but Master and Margarita is a book that merits a pick-up.

>>8762039
Yeah, it's in the essay on the Selish system. There are quite a few interesting tidbits in the essays.

>>8761944
the rangers apprentice.

>>8762551
If it wasn't so formulaic maybe.

>Oh no we fighting x individuals
>oh no we fighting x army
>author has no clue how to write large scale combat compellingly, and instead turns it into only one side having any sort of tactical knowledge which he describes in the most passive voice ever

I'd say even garbage like Seventh Son is better than this series.

>mfw thinking about trying to get a debut fantasy novel published with nil for industry connections

>>8762833
Don't worry. It will only take 10 years of waiting for someone to come along and take pity on you before you get that call and some small semblance of acceptance before the industry shits all over your book and the publisher drops you like a wet, steaming pile of shit that you are.

These threads are moving sanic fast. Are the Americlaps home for native genocide day?

>>8762909
>3 posts in the last 4 hours
???

>>8762910
Thread was made yesterday, we need a new thread now.

>>8763071
>page 1
No we don't retard.

>>8763076
>bump limit reached
Yes we do retard

>>8763071
>>8763076
>>8763079
>/b/-tier posting

>>8763076
You are a fucking idiot, whoever posted after me would reach the autosage initiation protocol.

I knew what I was saying... redshit scum...

>>8763113
>>8763079
Still on page 2 retard.

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