/lit/ - Literature

>>8730368
There aren't any good low tech sci-fi books like Asimov.

>Hur dur muh techwank

What book is least like the culture?

Hey, it's just a short fantasy story I wrote in the same spirit like fairy tales.

http://pastebin.com/raw/SqWDqpQp

read it, rate it, shit on it, critique it, give feedback, ignore it, do whatever you want. I just wished to finally post this.

>>8730402
In which direction? Adam Roberts' Stone is a look at a society like the Culture being completely infantilizing to its humans, shows the dark side of letting yourself be pets to AI. John C. Wright's The Golden Age is like Culture but libertarian, with Minds that actually respect humans.

Or if you mean not any tech at all, just read post-apoc. Canticle for St. Leibowitz or Damnation Alley or Amtrak Wars, stuff like that.

>>8730402
>What book is least like the culture?
Animorphs.

>>8730368
Do I have to read Dying Earth first before I start reading Lyonesse?

Question: how hacky is it to resurrect a dead character twenty years after his death? I mean my writing is incredibly hacky anyway, and it's not really writing, it's kinda hard to explain, but it is writing. It's just something else beforehand.

But basically there's a girl kinda like Alia from Dune, having these visions of her dead father who sacrificed himself to kill a main villain a long time ago, she never met him. I killed him off wanting some kind of "new era' in the story but I've since regretted it because his son just isn't as good, I just don't connect with him as much as I did. So I've been focusing more on his daughter, because I need that "default character." I am considering bringing him back but it's a problem for two reasons. One, it's weird cause it breaks up the cycle where the children take over the focus of the story from their parents who die. So basically, the son would have no reason to live anymore. He wouldn't belong in the story, in some ways. I introduced his long-lost cousin in a lame attempt of bringing in a more likeable character to focus on but that went nowhere, so I am worried the same thing would happen. Maybe the father's story really is concluded. I just feel this deep sadness that he is dead, it felt like such a badass epic end for him at the time yet now I regret it. Same with his wife, she was a good character and actually somewhat multi-dimensional unlike most of the side characters, and I let her die as well.

So it's kinda a complicated thing. I would say the tech level and supernatural level in this universe is pretty close to dune, except it all takes place on one giant planet. I could bring out the Clarkian "ancient tech is magic" bullshit as an excuse to resurrect him, it would make a good "quest" for the daughter. But like I said, there is nothing supernatural except the family's abilities which are just there to explain their plot armor.

Autistic mess of a post, sorry. Just mind dumping.

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>>8730582
Not only is Relevation Space Alastairs worst book, it's also a trilogy. His stand alones are better.

>>8730559
Resurrection is always kind of hacky.

Avoid it if you can.

>>8730559
Absolutely no need to bring him back from what you're telling me. The father's still a character, his character overshadows everything his kids do, and their conflict is becoming like him. The point he really "comes back" is the point where his kids are as awesome as he is. Same for the mother.

>>8730582
Except three body problem sucked.
put the full trilogy

>>8730582
Dat M1911 silhouette, tho.

>>8730586
I think you said that last thread but Pushing Ice was underwhelming.

Just finished 2010: Odyssey Two

Is the 3rd book in the series worth my time?

>>8730559
having read your stuff from that blog you posted once I would just advise you to keep doing the thing you're doing. You're onto something insane, something no one but you can understand, so asking for advice is pretty useless. That's my opinion.

>>8730651

You might as well. It's not historically bad like the Rama sequels. 3001 is quite stupid though

>>8730686
Yeah I'm kind of intrigued to see where the plot goes desu and to see what happens on Europa.

The Lucifer shit is kinda stupid tho

>>8730593
True I suppose. I mean, I guess he's still a character no matter what by that logic. I think these urges are less out of what fits the story and more out of missing a character I had for years and years.

>>8730653
Yeah it's hard to explain it so someone else would understand. I don't know what to do for now, I will just keep that storyline in the background and maybe use it later if it feels like it really truly fits. I just feel like I need one "OG" character to make it to the end. I have one, but I feel like I need another. But yeah I think I answered my own question by listing the problems it would cause.

Is it good?

>>8730882
>Star Wars
>good
Pretty much universally no.

A friend told me I should read Sanderson. I finished Eltantris last night and it was meh, but I'm about 75 pages into Mistborn and already enjoying it significantly more. Cool to see how much more creative freedom he took in his second book.

Anyone into 40k novels? Used to love reading the lore as a kid. In the market for simple fun grimdark tales.

>>8731230
if you enjoy Sanderson then I honestly feel bad for you. A friend of mine forced me to read the way of kings and it was hands down the most horrid piece of shit I've read in my entre life. The guy has ZERO knowledge of historical social norms or human nature and his writing is nothing but recycled counter culture liberal propaganda wrapped in GRRM tier pseudo complexity. Literally the epitome of sjw-ness in modern fantasy.

Not sure which one to download lads

http://gen.lib.rus.ec/foreignfiction/index.php?s=2061%3A+Odyssey+Three&f_lang=English&f_columns=0&f_ext=epub&f_group=1

>>8731311
>Sanderson has shitty dialogue, exposition problems, pacing problems, flat characters, and obvious plot twists
>It's his medieval society (in appearance only) with almost modern day social relations that's the problem

>>8731326

>Sanderson has shitty dialogue, exposition problems, pacing problems, flat characters, and obvious plot twists

I recognize all these issues (holy fuck his jokes are horrible) but I feel that my biggest gripe with him is the fact that his writing delves so easily into the realm of unapologetic propaganda before you even get to acquire a sense of his lackluster writing.

>>8730433
Anon I absolutely love fairy tales, I will read it when I get home.

>>8731392
I must be naive. what books have explicit examples of propaganda o_o

>>8731392
There was good humor in the last three wheel of time books.

>>8731250
Why are they using swords if they're 40k year in the future

>>8731250
It's crap, but if you know what you want, Helsreach is great.

>>8731432
China mievelle first comes to mind

>>8731463
>"China Tom Miéville FRSL is an English fantasy fiction author, comic writer, political activist and academic."
oh well fucking duh. I thought we were talking about Sanderson's books not fantasy authors in general.

>>8731320
Bump

QUICK

WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE TECHNOLOGY OR CONCEPT FROM A HARD SCI-FI STORY

>>8731470
I thought you were asking about books with explicit propaganda in general? Any way, I only read the way of king by Sanderson and I have little reason to believe that his other works are more subtle.

>>8731485
Monoliths in 2001 series

>>8731485
Axolotl tank.

Good books that have lots of mythical creatures (like Chimera, Hydra, Pegasus etc) in them and somewhat focuses on them?

Is Stephenson hard to get into? I'm not really a big fan of hard scifi and Anathem looks very intimidating. Not interested in Snow Crash. Maybe Diamond Age first?

>>8731499
>>8731552
ELABORATE

>>8731730
The giant monolith is a teleporter and sends David Bowman millions of lightyears away

>>8730586
He's still just about the only recent sci-fi writer whose prose doesn't make me come out in hives.

>>8731647
Best Stephenson is The Diamond Age and Cryptonomicon.

Snow Crash you have to read as almost retro-futurist at this point unless you really think that people having to get the bus or ride a bike in cyberspace so they can buy something is a good plot device.

The Baroque Cycle is also interesting.

He is a bit hit and miss though and has a tendency towards Slashdotesque nerd rage showing off.

>>8731786
That's underwhelming for a favorite technology.

>>8731879
Excuse me?

>>8729458
>Are there any SFF works where brothers and sisters actually like and care for each other in a healthy way.

IIRC Miles Vorkosigan has a pretty good relationship with his clone brother.

In the Lies of Locke Lamora the two main characters are orphans who have a strong brotherly bond.

>>8731879
Why on Earth does alloys need symbols? This is the first I've ever seen of this!

>>8730582
Psstt

>>8731975
Because civilization advances.

We're gonna get new symbols during modern Mistborn too.

>>8731879
>>8732055
What technology are these supposed to be?

>>8730550
Nope, both are separate

>>8732055
I just had a sad thought, or rather, an hilarious one. That list of weird symbols I've never seen before reminds me of those lists of non-existent genders. Well, there is probably people out there who have gotten tattoos of one or some of those non-existent genders. Imagine, when they grow up and stop being retarded, if someone asked them what it means. The sheer sense of humiliation, disgust of one's self, and self-loathing that should come with either explaining it or trying to change the subject will be incredibly powerful.

>>8732074
They're not supposed to be any technology. What lead you to believe that?

>>8732150
>tfw fictional literature symbols hold more meaning than fictional gender symbols irl

>>8732160
The guy that originally asked what was our favorite technology that attached the picture of that star symbol thing.

>>8732055
Historically alchemists never gave symbols to alloys.

Additionally there's also some odd stuff. For example, steel is basically just iron that's had at least 98% of the carbon cooked out of it for example. If anything, rather than being directly opposed to each other, he would have been better off using chemically pure metals as bases, with alloying suppressing or enhancing certain properties.

Fuck, I'm stalling at 4.6k words. this story isn't going to get finished if I don't keep at it, but I have no desire to write and I've already taken my sleeping pills.

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>>8732001
The Emperor's Blades got progressively worse desu.

>>8730433
Im a bit confused as to what exactly is going on in the story. The writing isn't actually that bad though. There were still a few times the writing sounded a bit amatuerish. Keep writing though, you'll get better.

>>8730582
>>8732001
FINE, ILL FUCKING READ THE MALAZAN BOOK OF THE FALLAN ALREADY, JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

Tell me about the phenomenon of "Grimderp". How dark can a story get before it goes full circle into a comedic work? What are some examples of stories doing this?

>>8732001
The painted man is awful. Not only does the inject his politics into the story in a hamfisted way, he also doesn't acknowledge the obvious plotholes.

Reading this at the moment. Enjoying it quite a bit so far. The concept behind the setting is pretty intriguing. My ereader tells me I'm 25% through it though and I don't think the actual plot has reared its head yet.

>>8731311
>The guy has ZERO knowledge of historical social norms
As displayed by what, an entirely fictional world with no bearing at all on our world?

I feel like I've been memed.

>>8732696
I know how you feel.

>>8732764
dude JA is the man

>>8730550
>Do I have to read Dying Earth first before I start reading Lyonesse?
No. They are both their own stand alone series that most likely take place in the same universe. I would recommend reading Lyonesse first but it doesn't really matter.

>>8731311

>liberal propaganda
>sjwness

Sanderson is actually a republican Mormon.

You're just the special kind of moron that attaches 'liberal' and 'sjw' to anything you don't like.

>>8730582
+100 for correctly identifying night watch as the best Pratchett book. It's one of my favorites all told. Vimes is just the best character.

>Nothing to read
>Waiting for sequels to 8 series

eh

>>8732924
>men are illiterate warmongering brutes while women are kickass pioneers of science and art
>it's disgraceful to have strands of blond in your hair
>zero respect for authority and higher ups
>people with light eyes enslaving others with dark ones
>people who got these light eyes got them by committing hideous greed driven murders

Yeah the guy is your typical neo liberal

>>8731485

Psychohistory, if Asimov counts as hard sci-fi.

>>8732449
Just don't read past the first book.

>>8732978
>just don't read past the only bad book

>waiting for sequels
WAKE ME UP
WAKE ME UP INSIDE
CANT WAKE UP
SAVE ME
CALL MY NAME AND SOMETHING

>>8732982

The only good book you mean
It's only downhill after the first one

>>8732270
It was pretty early in his career that he plotted out allomancy, he'd probably do it differently with what he knows now.

>>8733008
top kappa

>>8731647
Cryptonomicon/Baroque Cycle are great if you don't mind long asides into the history of science and technology in the middle of your adventure story. Diamond Age is good all around, probably his most normal SF book, but he flubs the ending, be warned.

Anathem isn't actually very intimidating when you get into it. Even if you don't get the hylomorphism you can enjoy it as a story about science monks, and the alternate technological world is absolutely delightful.

>>8732309
>Which came easiest? Well, not Uncross the Stars. That I rewrote at least 14 times, throwing out over 1000 pages. Not the first two Books of Unexpected Enlightenment either.
>I rewrote the Prospero Children series six times, beginning to end. By the end, it was a much better story...more fun, more interesting, than it had been when I started. It was excruciating at the time, but looking back, I'm really glad that I did it, as my understanding of story writing and how to do it improved dramatically in ways that would not have happened, had I published an earlier version of the story and moved on.

>>8732982
Maybe 1-4 but the rest are absolute shit.

>>8732954
That's just (very) loosely describing Stormlight archive, of which there are only 2 books out and many things may or may not change in the following 8 mofokin books to come.
Even so, you failed to properly describe anything and just vomited random shit you don't like with a few things from the books.

Anon, you yourself are the cancer that killed /sffg/

Howbto write compelling magic? Can magic ever be interesting?
I'm working and fleshing out the magic in my novel which is related to writing in a world where there's basically no concept of writing/reading/books/etc and everything is related in images and sculpture in relief.

>>8732924
Sanderson is a very liberal Mormon who got into email fights with (probably) Correia over the Puppies thing.

>>8732954
This part was actually worldbuilding. The men are illiterate and warmongering but they're not brutes, and they would learn to read if it wasn't seen as completely effeminate. The women are pioneers of science and art but they're blessedly absent from battle (unless they're Parshendi, whose sexual dimorphism is noted to be much less). Kaladin's lost his authority for higher-ups because his commanders betrayed him and sold him into slavery, the rest of the Alethi are pretty respectful. The lighteyes/darkeyes thing is pretty standard for a caste system, historically speaking, and as described by the author elsewhere actually has a kind of social mobility in it, as high-ranking darkeyes can marry low-ranking lighteyes. The entire society is aligned on a military structure.

He is pretty liberal and has promised a gay love interest for a bit part but his worldbuilding's on point, aside from the ridiculous cursing.
>"Ice! said Nanooq. "Icing freezy SEALTUSKS!"

>>8733061
Magic is compelling as far as it's mysterious. When you know all about it it's just superpowers and they're fun but not compelling. Diana Wynne Jones is really good for walking the line between mysterious and accessible.

>>8733068
>ridiculous cursing
I'm half way through Words of Radiance and if I see one more sentence start with "Storm it but..." I'm going to kill myself.

>>8733093
Storm you.

>>8732162
Hello newfag, welcome to our general. Please keep all redshit and tumbfag out the thread.

The person in question is cosmerefag, he is our local go-to guy for everything Sanderson.

He is recognised by his avatarfaging.

>>8732457
Johannes Cabal is a fine example.
If you're Americlap the British humor might not give you the giggles.

>>8732477
What is it about? I read Deborah Harkness life trilogy and it was something new(even if it was about a fucking vampire love story) at the time I read it.

Women can really be creative, but their vaginas salivate too much and cause them to write in romance shit.

What are your thoughts on Discworld / Terry Pratchett?
I haven't read that much fantasy yet (Mistborn-trilogy, Legend, LoTR), but I have been playing RPGs my entire life, so I really love fantasy as a concept.
I've read a few discworld books and I really enjoyed them. They read fast, were funny and clever and used many different elements from fantasy.
How do you feel about the discworld series? Or eve nthe world Pratchett built?

Also, can you buy them in a collection? There are so many books and it seems a bother to have to buy them all seperatly.

>>8732661
It's probably another autist, like the guy that was tripping because people didn't know that stormlight could be used as a jetpack, when they everyone was using it for candles.

>>8733290
That was more dark humour than it was exaggeratedly grim, it vacillates between the funny and dark, but the humour is mostly derived from the sarcastic narration than the actual content, which tends to be pretty dark.
I'd say that Brent Weeks type shit seems to be more on target, where everything is so retardedly edgy that it makes it impossible to take the book seriously and you drop it after reading the rape and forced transexuality that greets you on page 1.

>>8733033
but I've never surpassed 5k words, and this took weeks of effort

>>8732954
>>8731311

>>8732661
I enjoy Sanderson in general, but there are little things that bother me, little modernisms. The Alethi are late-medieval, with a very stable and prosperous society, but that really doesn't seem enough for a regular footsoldier to be wearing socks, let alone the 19th-century uniforms everywhere. That implies a massive, massive textile industry in a country without machine looms. They haven't been implied to not have machine looms, but their energy sources are basically giant crabs and slaves, with the occasional hurricane. They could conceivably power factories with fabrials, but you'd think that technology would have made it to the war camps somehow.

Yeah, it's autism. That's why we read Sanderson.

>>8733311
It gets easier with consistent practice. Writing is a skill, it's a trade. You wouldn't expect to be a master of drywall within a few weeks of picking it up. There is no royal road to readable prose.

>>8733074
>magic nowadays are all explanations and no holding back
>in the 70's books I read with magic were never clear, they just waved their hands and mountains parted
>that is the best form of magic, mysterious and unknown
>also if the author writes himself into a corner he can deus ex machina something from his ass and insult his readership's intelligence
>I mean they are already stupid for reading magic books, they won't care / notice a stupid ass pull to draw the novel to a close

>>8733303
The very early and very late Discworld books are inferior. I have a soft spot for Susan Sto Helit but the Night Watch books are objectively better.

You can probably find a lot of them at a library, and only buy the ones you like from there.

>>8733339
I've been writing seriously for two years now

>>8733342
>dinoposting

>>8733345
Yes, problem is that I'm european, so the library doesn't have them in English. And the few translated fantasy books I have read, felt pretty cringe-worthy.

I have seen a lot of praise for the Night Watch series. Are there any jokes/references I miss if I skip the other series and jump right to that one?

>>8733349
What other resources have you been consulting? Writer's blogs? Books on writing? I can recommend Card's Characters and Viewpoint and Le Guin's Steering the Craft. Finding a decent group can help too.

The best writing advice I've ever found was from Card, about writer's block. He says it's a gift, it's your subconscious telling you to write something else.

>>8733308
Go fuck yourself. If you don't know what grim and edgy means why are you commenting on it?
I swear this general is filled with illiterates and idiots. You have to explain everything to them, and before that they make an ass out of themselves blowing up some trivial shit like it's world shattering stuff.
Jesus fuck.

>>8733360
Probably, but the references are usually funny in themselves, and Night Watch is the closest thing to core Discworld anyway, so gags like Cut-me-own-throat Dibbler are in their purest form there.

>>8733335
We enjoy Sanderson because he is a fresh breath of air in this stagnant air tight room called fantasy.

You enjoy Sanderson because you're autistic, and like picking at information (textile looms) when it's not relevant in the slightest (war party that is suppose to be on the move).

>>8733425
>Alethi warcamps
>on the move
You don't seem like you're actually enjoying Sanderson.

Also you can enjoy the worldbuilding from autism, cringe at the banter, and unironically thrill at Dalinar catching that sword above his head. We're allowed to have multiple motivations.

>That feeling when halfway into a six hundred page book of genuine literature, and enjoying it, but also want to read some lurid genre fiction.

Still, Crime And Punishment is good writing.

Is there a SF author who is as preoccupied with psychology, and a character's thoughts, as Dostoevsky?

>>8733435
Dick.

>>8732951
>Nothing to read
Sounds like a problem of your own devising. There are way to many books out there for me.

>>8733442
Rude.

>>8733481
He ment the author Phillip k Dick you mongloid, read valis.

>>8732951
Select all

>>8731459
>implying technology advances linearly.

How do I create interesting characters? Where do I start?

Is it ok to read fantasy in translation or should I stick to english versions? I can read English very well, but the books aren't always available in their original language. Most libraries here (Netherlands) only have translated books.
Should I just buy the english versions or are translation generally good?

>>8733770
Interesting people. People you know, characters from other stories, the kind of person you wish you were, just take bits of personality and Frankenstein it together.

>>8733771
Don't read translations. You can just buy from amazon or bookdepository if they aren't available locally, they have free shipping.
Or buy a Kindle already.

Anyone read?
https://www.fictionpress.com/s/3282362/1/The-Dichotomy-of-Prophecy

I liked the author's Harry Potter fanfic, so I'm thinking of reading this too.

>>8733435
Gene Wolfe mostly. Bulgakov. Some Zelazny works. Le Guin was... Okay.
Really science fiction and fantasy aren't there for psychology of characters.

Give me the bleakest,saddest short story you know.

I just want to feel bad about myself and the human race.

>>8733853
Stoner
Notes from the Underground
Considerations on France
Heart of the Matter
A Scanner Darkly
Everything that Rises Must Converge

>>8733780
Is Kindle the best e-reader?

>~3 years between Stormlight Archives volumes
>one of them will be Lift-focused

>>8734007
Yeah. Get the newest Paperwhite and you can use it for pretty much forever.

>>8733308
Weeks isn't edgy. Edgy implies he's trying to make the story more serious by making it darker. He isn't trying to be dark, he's trying to be cool.
A better insult would be to say he's like a teenager writing a shitty adventure around his overpowered D&D character

>>8733335
>their energy sources are basically giant crabs and slaves, with the occasional hurricane.

Taken out of the context of the books this is equal parts retarded and hilarious.

>>8733702

I don't understand

>>8733478

There are no books left that have what I'm looking for

>>8734048
>There are no books left that have what I'm looking for
>>8733478
>Sounds like a problem of your own devising.

>>8734051

It's not my fault people aren't writing things I want to read, it's theirs

>>8733308
Literally Bakker

>>8733853
My diary desu

>>8733276
Everything Cosmere-related, I guess. The only non I've read was Legion.

>>8731250
The Beast saga is written so boringly. Makes Sandy Mitchel's shrug fest a pleasure to read.

The short audiobooks are getting better and better tho. The dudes voicing Sevatar and Kharn do a magnificent job.

Anyone read pic related? How was it?

>>8733360
Just buy second hand. Either go to large national book fairs or order from Amazon(.de/.it/.co.uk/.fr). Often a good second hand copy costs you €3 in shipping and €0,80 for the book itself…

You can order second hand books from the US and the UK that way for just a few Euros. Most Discworld novels are available in good or very good condition.

>>8734585
Worst fantasy book I have read.

hey cosmerefriend u hear that shallan got confirmed bi?

>>8733771
Since you're Dutch, look into visiting the book fairs in Dordrecht (June or July?) and (even better) Deventer (first Sunday of August) next year. There are a number of stands with sci-fi and fantasy (in English) there. Well worth the effort, and fun too.

>>8734591
Come on, it can't be this bad. Or can it?

>>8734585
Scott Lynch is a hack. Terrible book in every way. Terrible writing and the plot is boring predictable garbage.

>>8734542
Read Perfect State

>>8734585
Yes. I enjoyed reading it overall. Maybe you will too.

>>8734591
>>8734621
Ok, thanks for saving my money, fellas.

>>8733771
I don't see a reason why not. Most of the fantasy I've read wouldn't really lose much in translation.

>>8734010
>one of them will be Lift-focused
please no

Is this worth reading? The premise seems really interesting.

>>8734652
no

>>8734652
no

>>8733335
>The Alethi are late-medieval
No they aren't. That's just an association you came up with in your head because it's easier than actually trying to figure out what kind of society they have. You just write them off as "oh they're this kind of society, so anything that doesn't perfectly match what I know about such societies on earth is bad writing," basically you're a dunce and probably have some form of autism.

>>8734652
How often do you post on reddit? If the answer is "often" then you'll probably love it.

>>8734642
Don't take their world blindly. The book has a 4.29 rating on goodreads, so obviously some people liked it.
Also, buying books lol what a fa must be nice having disposable income.

>>8734683
>goodreads ratings
>relevant
lol

>>8734652
Do you like 80's pop culture references? Do you like them on every page? Because the premise is that the main character is basically solving a pop quiz on 80's games, movies and shit for the whole book.

>>8734673
I am trying to figure out what their society has, late medieval is a touchpoint. That's why I'm worrying about their labor and energy sources. You didn't even read the post, you just stopped when you got offended.

>>8734688
yeah, every book is a 3.6 or higher. You will never see books below that for some reason.

>>8733335
here's the thing though: sanderson's autism covers rosharan textiles: http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1052#12.. I wouldn't be surprised to find fabrial looms, especially since gems are so common and we see conjoiners (discovered during the war of reckoning) used for long-distance communication already.
if you look at the fabrial diagrams in book 1, however, it looks like spren being used to create paired fabrials is protected knowledge. What I would guess happened is that enterprising artifabrians built mechanical looms, phasing traditional handlooms out very quickly/used fabrials to upgrade existing looms. Remember, Alethi officers basically have to be married; you have a lot of women sitting around doing nothing as one does in war for long stretches of time; they would likely have made fabric pre-war of reckoning. Maybe mechanical looms do exist but the recent fabrial-mechanization really fucked Alethkar's economy up - another factor, with Aesudan's policies, in the economic unrest that resulted in the riots in Kholinar?

anyway.

>>8734741
Parshendi aside, the use of bridgemen/slaves on the Shattered Plains, the strictures of nahn and dahn, and the general conquering bent of Alethi culture imply there's a whole lot of slave labor going on.

parshendi probably sew loads of fabric but nobody cares to mention it.

>>8734056
You'll never have any fun if you continue pretending to have taste. I just started pic related. It's going to be terrible, but I'll still enjoy myself.

>>8734758
Yeah, that would make sense. I guess we just don't see what goes on in Alethi cities. It would make sense for there to be a fabrial-powered industrial revolution keeping everything running, it just would have been neat to know about it.

Also sea silk exists in the real world. Freaked the Chinese out when they heard about it.

>>8734769
The problem with slave labor is first that mass-producing clothes with needle and thread takes a really really long time, even if you get it for free. The other problem is that with the factors you mentioned it's less likely that the fruits of it would reach footsoldiers.

>>8734758
>http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1052#12
I wish I'd never listened to Writing Excuses so I didn't have to read that in his voice.

>>8731250
I enjoyed Anthony Reynold's Word Bearers books. They're about a chaos chapter so it's extra edgy too.

OK, serious question.
Are the books about businessmen etc in high fantasy setting real?

>>8734815
Desu?

>>8734815
They are entirely a Seanbaby fabrication, found at http://liartownusa.tumblr.com/archive..

>>8734827
I'm a newfag here and I'm serious

>>8734846
that's a shame because they sound awesome and I'd totally read that

>>8734848
(I don't understand the question)

>>8734652
Imagine a full book of this and decide for yourself.

>>8734007
No Kobo is based.

>>8734585
It's ok. The story and characters are pretty average, but I liked the world building. It gets pretty reddit at times with the all the swearing though.

>>8734815
No idea what you're talking about, but Three Parts Dead is basically Boston Legal meets China Mieville

Is there any book where somebody is resurrected through the lens of another person's "perspective"? That is, the resulting person isn't necessarily a true to the original, but it always seems that way to the person whose perspective they are made from.

>>8734941
Are current Kobos still dead paperweights unless connected to some ebook shop account?

>>8731647
Seveneves is very straightforward. If you don't like technological digressions you might get annoyed, but then if you do like them...

I've only started reading him this year and everything's been good. I had always sort of dismissed him as a tryhard hipster, even though I had enjoyed In The Beginning. Happily proven wrong.

>>8732696
No, everything is there you just missed it.

>>8732954
He knows his market, though

>>8732951
List them

>>8733068
Are you sure they fought over it?

I remember Correia was going to give Sanderson some tips on guns for what I assume was to become Steelheart.

>>8734027
If your overpowered D&D character is an assassin, you're going for edgy

>>8734652
The premise is interesting. But the author uses it as a crutch rather than a tool.

If you liked John Dies at the End or similarly glib simulations of writing you'll love it.

>>8734651
You are going to get a book with Lift as a main character. It is going to happen I promise. And I'll probably do some more shorts with Lift because she is so much fun.

>>8734992
Xenocide.

>>8735165
Sanderson made an anti-Puppies post where he mentioned having an argument with a close friend via email. Correia would match. Sandman wouldn't waste words on someone he wasn't bromantically involved with.

>>8735179
John Dies at the End was great when it was still a creepy webnovel that predicted 9/11.

>>8735179
>similarly glib simulations of writing
What did he mean by this?

>>8735217
In a like style or manner having a ready flow of words but lacking thought or understanding; superficial; shallow assuming an appearance which is feigned, or not true after a verb expressing construction, making etc., used to indicate the material or substance used graphism of symbols such as letters that express some meaning.

>>8735238
So, kind of like your post then?

>>8735264
It was reflexive, yes.

>>8734585
I hated it, but polled this general a while back and the majority of the voters said they liked it fwiw.

So recently I've been reading the Wolfhound Century series by Peter Higgins and I'm about halfway through the second book and I'm enjoying it a fair amount. It's interesting and so far I'd recommend it to anybody looking for a series about strange shit happening in a fantastical Russia/USSR from another dimension where "strange shit in the woods" is real and the corpses of dead aliens/"angels" fell from the sky. (Goodreads says it's similar to Mieville, but I've never read anything by him, so yeah.)

Is Warbreaker worth reading?
I just finished WoK and really enjoyed it.

>>8735544
read warbreaker before words of radiance.

>you will never feel the the Water of Indara course through you while praising the Solitary God

Just bout pic related. What am i in for?

>>8735601
naked wrestling (no homo)

Who ever suggested the library at mount char a few months ago, thank you. It was wonderful.
Anything similar to it?

>>8733299
Not clear on the plot yet as I haven't read any more yet, but basically there are (at least) 4 parallel worlds all containing a city called London. The main character is from Red London which is in a world that is rich with magic and he is able to travel between the worlds using a rare kind of magic. Red London, White London, and Gray London (which is basically our world) all keep in touch. Black London doomed itself and no one talks to them anymore/don't even know if the world still exists at this point.

Seems like there's going to be at least one other main character who's from Gray London.

>>8735196
>I'll
Why are you trying to start a meme that Sanderson posts in here?
Are you bakker trying to force a new meme so people could forget about you........

>>8734749
You what mate ?

>>8730368

I've just reread the Fionavar Tapestry trilogy for the fourth time to remind myself after many years how NOT to write a fantasy novel, and how NOT to write ambiguously. What an absolutely fucking awful trash fantasy series. I was exposed to this as a kid and I can't remember for the life of me how I managed to get through it. Never before had I read a series that had so many fucking words that said absolutely nothing. Entire pages of naming people, mentioning names of events, pointing out the names of Gods, and then never once actually utilizing any of that information nor have anyone go in depth. Never have I been so fucking bored of a world that is blatantly plagiarized and stolen on every single level. I got drunk and wrote a 3 500 word essay on how much I hate this series and I'm not even half done.

Fuck the Fionavar Tapestry. With that said, anyone enjoying the simplicity of The Powder Mage trilogy? Fun fucking series.

>>8735915
well i didnt mean literally.

>>8735945
>for the fourth time
you obviously enjoy the series. just admit it.

>>8735952

I keep going back thinking maybe I'm just not getting it. Maybe I need to be at a certain age or at a certain point in life to appreciate his blatant rip offs of every commonly known fantasy novel of the 20th century. Maybe the non-characters that are written are deeper than I imagined them to be, so every six years or so I go back and take another peek, and no- I'm just reminded of how not to write.

Guy Gavriel Kay please go.

I am now reading both Death's End and The Angle's Game and swapping back and forth between the two when one gets boring. This is no way to read. I want to enjoy fiction

>>8735892
As if I'd ever let /lit/ forget about me.

Unholy Consult - Summer 2017

:^)

>>8736053
im reading the lord of the rings and i have to get up every 30 minutes and do something before i fall asleep. Maybe im just a pleb but the way he writes wears on you.

>>8736140

The first half of the fellowship is a slog. After the conspiracy is revealed, shit gets real.

>>8735892

That wasn't Bakker that was just some guy making a funny, Bakker would never stoop to such a level

>>8734585
SF Masterworks/Gollancz put this book in a numbered hardback series to commemorate their 50th anniversary, alongside classic books by Gene Wolfe, PKD, Frank Herbert, HG Wells, Daniel Keyes. I was unfamiliar with Scott Lynch, but his presence among such fabled company made me believe he would be worth reading.

I didn't purchase it, but I have a nice looking hardcover of A Canticle Of Leibowitz coming in instead.

Sometimes the older books are a surer thing, Dino anon.

>>8736140
Enjoy the comfiness. Revel in how plush the Shire is. Then realize what might be lost.

>>8735172
Ok but if the character is a smart and sexy battlemage who is also Emperor then I think we can agree he's trying for cool over edgy.

>>8735596
Hi, Scott! It's nice that you're a regular on /sffg/, but you should work on making your shilling more subtle.

What you guys 2016 reading lists look like?

I'm done with 65 books?
I think I will read at least 70 this year, maybe 72?
Wish I was still neet, wage slave leaves little time for reading and doing other things.

>>8730559
I love resurrection

>>8730559
there is always reincarnation, or perhaps a person who sincerely believes they are reincarnated, but leave it ambiguous. sort of a Gene Wolfe by way of PKD kind of thing, ambiguous and perception fluid

can anyone recommend some good star trek novels?

>>8735281
Sounds interesting, I'll check it out

>>8737033
>star trek
>star wars
>good
Choose one and only one

>>8734010
Not till the back half, where she'll be an adult, and hopefully, matured.

>>8737195
kys

>novels GRRM wrote in the last ten years:
A Dance With Dragons

>novels Rothfuss wrote in the last ten years:
Name of the Wind
Wise Man's Fear

>novels Sanderson wrote in the last ten years:
The Final Empire
Well of Ascension
Hero of Ages
Warbreaker
Way of Kings
Words of Radiance
The Gathering Storm
Towers of Midnight
A Memory of Light
Steelheart
Firefight
Calamity
The Rithmatist
Alloy of Law
Shadows of Self
Bands of Mourning

>>8737512
>implying Reddit will ever let him let her stop saying "awesomeness"

>>8737554
Good novels any of them wrote ever:

>>8737560
Allow us to Hope, anon.

>>8737554
>J.R.R. Tolkein has published more in the '10s than Martin

>>8737554
As I see it, prolific authors don't stay that way for much longer than a decade. Robert Silverberg and PKD come to mind, and there must be other examples that the more widely read could conceive of; writers who hit the creative brick wall after a divorce, housefire, burglary, having children, a spiritual crisis, or just becoming bored with their medium.

How long can they keep going to the well?

>>8737733
>implying human wrecks like PKD are typical
Jack Williamson kept writing SF till he was 98. Gene Wolfe's published more in the last ten years than Rothfuss has. Isaac Asimov wrote over 500 books. Jack Vance's last novel was published the year before Elantris.

>>8737554
But anon, you can't rush art :^)

>>8735596
>Being an blind, emotional, snake worshipping, goat fucker in the desert when you could be a Mandati sorcerer wielding the power of the Ancient North in eternal war against the Consult

Ya blew it.

>>8737832
>Rothfuss wrote The Name of the Wind during his nine-year advance toward his B.S. in English. He drew inspiration from the range of college courses he explored, and from his personal interests and hobbies.

>"It is wonderfully written, the prose verging on poetic in places... There's a sense that Rothfuss has chosen every one of those words with great care and precision, using them to tell a story that's lyrical, heart-felt and unique."

>...subsequently, a bidding war erupted with several Hollywood studios approaching him to turn the books into a movie. Rothfuss informed the studios that he was not particularly interested in making a movie (he preferred a TV series) but would listen to their offers.

Aren't you glad we have the greatest living author in the English language writing for us right now?

>>8737848
>n high-school Pat was something of a class clown. His hobbies included reading a novel or two a day and giving relationship advice to all his friends despite the fact that he had never so much as kissed a girl. He also role-played and wrote terrible stories about elves. He was pretty much a geek.

>For the next seven years Pat studied anthropology, philosophy, eastern religions, history, alchemy, parapsychology, literature, and writing. He studied six different martial arts, practiced improv comedy, learned how to pick locks, and became a skilled lover of women.

>Now Pat teaches half-time at his old school as an assistant-sub-lecturer. He is underpaid but generally left alone to do as he sees fit with his classes. He is advisor for the college feminists, the fencing club, and, oddly enough, a sorority. He still roll-plays occasionally, but now he does it in an extremely sophisticated, debonair way.

Truly our generation's Tolkien.

>>8737832
>>8737848
>>8737876
>I managed very little sleep that night, and Losi came closer to killing me than Felurian ever had. She was a delightful partner, every bit as wonderful as Felurian had been.

>But how could that be? I hear you ask. How could any mortal woman compare with Felurian?

>It is easier to understand if you think of it in terms of music. Sometimes a man enjoys a symphony. Elsetimes he finds a jig more suited to his taste. The same holds true for lovemaking. One type is suited to the deep cushions of a twilight forest glade. Another comes quite naturally tangled in the sheets of narrow beds upstairs in inns. Each woman is like an instrument, waiting to be learned, loved, and finely played, to have at last her own true music made.

>Some might take offense at this way of seeing things, not understanding how a trouper views his music. They might think I degrade women. They might consider me callous, or boorish, or crude.

>But those people do not understand love, or music, or me.

>>8737892
Rothfuss is going to die someday, lads. Hold me.

>>8737892
So he's deliberately dressed as Tom Bombadil there, right? That's a costume, isn't it?

What audience was LOTR intended for?

I know Tolkien wrote the Hobbit for his children and with his children in mind, but what about the other books?
Currently reading the Hobbit and the language is obviously very simplistic, even if it is still a breddy comfy read
Already read the Silmarillion before getting into the main stuff but I'm wondering if it's all the same or if Tolkien 'matured' his style as his children grew up/ he stopped writing with them specifically in mind

>>8737925
It's supposed to be for all ages

>>8737954
then why did it have a children sticker on it in the bookshop I bought it in, and why did I have to autistically stammer to the till woman that I was buying it for my nephew

>>8737963
GRRM is responsible tbqh

>>8737963
Because GRI is becoming mandatory for "mature" books

>>8737963
>why did I have to autistically stammer
Did it honestly have anything to do with your choice of books?

>>8737925
I'd actually make the argument that LOTR was intended solely for Tolkien himself. He created all of it as a personal project, after all.

It's just that all his ideas and writings happen to have caught on with the general public.

>>8730368
that picture is too beautiful

>>8737909
>>8737892
>>8737848
I'm pretty new here and I haven't heard about this guy before.
Is he really that good?
What book/series is best to start with?

>>8738292
No, he's damn bad. If you want recs check out the OP.

>>8738292
We're memeing him. He's only got one series but he acts like he's God's gift to fantasy readers.

>>8738311
>>8738322
Cool, thanks for the heads up.

>>8731311
I enjoy Sanderson. There are obvious differences in quality between his novels. In my opinion his standalones are worse than his series. I don't pay attention to any of the shit you seem to be sperging about. Same with characters. I generally read books for the plot and worldbuilding. That's what I find most interesting.

This may be the wrong way or not as sophisticated a way to enjoy things but it's what I enjoy when reading a story.

>>8736140
Best way to read LOTR is outside on your deck on a cool autumn evening having a pipe.

>>8737848
>>8737876
>>8737892
Jesus Christ it is beyond me how anyone considers his "works" anything but utter shit.

The entire time I wasted reading The Name of the Wind I had to constantly remind myself I wasn't reading shit tier 12 year old girl authored deviant art authored OC do not steal™ fan fic faggotry.

>>8738675
Yeah but if we let him think he's hot stuff he'll keep doing this for years.

>>8738480
I don't think there's a right/wrong or sophisticated way to read a novel anon. Personally I pay attention to characters most when I'm reading, I don't care much for world-building. But I find Sanderson's characters alright, at least in Stormlight. He put a lot of work into fleshing out Kaladin.

>>8737925
I'm not sure he had a particular audience in mind. Didn't he say he wrote it because he wanted a backdrop for his constructed languages?

>>8730368

Shame on me for not noticing earlier, but why the fuck is Ishiguro on the /lit/ selected fantasy list? He's a "YA-lit tier" author.

>>8737554
I have a lot of respect for Sanderson's work ethic. It's not like he's just half-assing this shit either, he puts so much effort into those books. He might be some kind of savant. All he can do is write fantasy.

>>8738322
>He's only got one series
*Part of a good series
And he could still very easily fuck it up.

>>8737925
Tolkien wrote it for himself, like all great authors.

>>8738250
Tolkien actually faced quite a bit of teasing and mockery for his fantasy writings at Cambridge. The fact he stuck by it and published it in spite of the lack of confidence from those around him juts shows how personally important it was to him.

>>8738912
Diana Wynne Jones described him as this wispy man who faced the chalkboard while lecturing and barely spoke loud enough to hear, as opposed to C.S. Lewis being loud and extroverted. They were a neat pair.
>you will never be educated enough to shoot the breeze about fairy stories with the Inklings

>>8738909
>And he could still very easily fuck it up.

He already has

>>8732956
But that isn't sci-fi: http://psychohistory.com/books/the-origins-of-war-in-child-abuse/

Nobody told me there was so much sadness in the Silmarillion.

>Literally no good necromancer book apart from Sabriel

Why the fuck is everything shaped like a wedge in The Way of Kings?
Is it the only shape Sanderson knows?

>>8737733
I dunno, PKD is a special case, Moorcock is the other one who springs to mind. Both of them were known for banging out entire novels in a week for money, they may or may not have had chemical assistance.

Their rate of decent writing, which was interspersed within all that remained pretty consistent (every three years-ish). Its just after a bit he stopped having to hit the bennies to make his rent.

Poor old MM, it backfired on him a bit. He is famous for stuff he didn't care about and virtually unknown for his better writing. And the difference is like night and day too.

Is The Way of Kings actually good? I picked it up (for like a dollar, so no big deal) but it's War & Peace tier in size and only the first in a series.

>>8739287
It's pretty shit compared to sandersons shorter stuff I'd say. Falls too hard for the 'multiple character perspectives slowly crawling along a timeline=EPIC FANTASY'

>>8739251
Maybe there are, but Sabriel just makes them all look like garbage

>>8734652
nothing interesting happens, characters are boring, plot loops like a video-game in the worst of ways, author seems to think that 80's references are a good subistitute for things actually happening.

>>8739287
Honestly, Way of Kings is nothing more than a book that establishes the setting. Sanderson has simple characters and plot along with exposition to make sure his demographic doesn't forget anything. Unless you're a world building loving autist, skip to Words of Radiance.

What other authors browse/post in this general?

It's finally happened, I've lost interest in the story I've been writing for two weeks. At 5000 words and less than half way through I can no longer give a rat's ass

>>8738842
Considering some of the absolute shit in some of those charts Ishiguro seems like a genius by comparison. I mean GRRM is in a few of them.

>>8739251
>>8739305
Is the Abhorsen trilogy any good?

Best place to start with Gene Wolfe? Solar Cycle?

>>8739722

It's very good

Are fantasy books with a prevalent depiction of half-swording publishable? Are there any books out there already where they depict half-swording?

>>8739733
kek. that pic looks like a couple of idiots who dont know what their doing. but it was an actual technique and honestly im surprised by the amount of medieval based fantasy out there and not a single author ive read has used this in their books.

at one point i wanted write a fantasy story where some knights used half swording occasionaly but i came to the conclusion that i need to read a shit load more fantasy before i even attempt to write anything.

>>8739743
And I as well. Medieval manuscripts have tons of it, and It seems like such a wonderful way to break up the monotony of sword-and-shield fighting in a completely realistic fashion. I mean, what's more realistic than reality?

The only reason I can think of is that publishers don't think audiences will accept characters gripping the blades of their swords being depicted as a valid option. You don't see it at all in movies or vidya either.

>>8739722
slightly boring desu, but a good universe.

>>8739770
yeah, you have to remember these authors probably dont do too much research into actual historical combat. theyre more concerned with telling a good story with memorable characters and fantastical action. still would love to see half swording used more often.

>>8739730
Fifth Head of Cerberus. It's a collection of novellas which showcase his skills and interests well.
>>8739722
>Is the Abhorsen trilogy any good?
No. It's acceptable at best, but it's formulaic and generic to the point it quickly becomes one of the most pointlessly long and boring novels out there. There is nothing duller than plot based novels without decent characters.
Are you 14? If not, skip it.
>>8739539
Marc Aramini used to, but I haven't seen him in a while. He's having some serious problems in his personal life (not the fault of anyone, shit just happened).
>>8739284
I'm using Moorcock as a break from serious, taxing works, I'm almost over with his Elric novels, what should I look to next? Also, any other authors I should check out for not completely boring and retarded fun novels? I've only got 7th Fafhrd and Grey Mouser novel left, I don't care much for Conan and have read around 800 pages of Vance stuff, thinking of Lyonesse next.
>>8739140
Well myth and the Old Testament, which he's emulating are more often than not tragedies.

>>8739946
>He's having some serious problems in his personal life
That's a shame. If you see him tell him we miss him.

>>8739949
I know him over Facebook desu, I don't want to waste his time by idle chat while the thing is still going on... Sadly it's delaying his new book, but the good news is, there will be 3 in total. And reading the second will make sense because I haven't read most of the stuff he wrote about.
It's the only ebook I ever bought and he's the only author I will buy them from really, even if he actually sent it to me for free.

>>8732978
What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>8739542
I reach that point a lot. It's not the end, anon. Come up with a new story, work on that until it runs dry them come back to your first story. Your mind will be glad to have something different to work on every few weeks.

>>8739558
So you were the anon who made that chart and put ishiguro in it.

>>8740111
It's a meme series.
It could have been a nice trilogy but he made 10 books full of mostly irrelevant and boring characters.
I see that the guy was going for some massive scale buildup/convergence thing, but the last book that should make it all worthwhile fucking sucked.
Just look at characters like Icarium or Karsa. He spent whole books hyping them up and they had no real payoff.

Malazan is the book version of LOST

>>8740238
>Malazan is the book version of LOST
So it's great? Picked up.

>>8740243
First season was good then they just made shit up and had to tie it all together in the last episode.

>>8738912
Between the royal bootlicking, boarding school buggery, and state-sanctioned paedophilia, the opinions of the British establishment weren't/aren't worth a bean, so perhaps it wasn't difficult for Tolkein to pay them no mind, given their moral bankruptcy.

>>8740238
>Malazan is the book version of LOST
Consider me interested

>>8740282
>state-sanctioned paedophilia
Explain

>>8740379
Operation Yewtree + Midland, Elm Guest House scandal, Leon Britton's lost dossier, and the continued kicking into the long grass of any worthwhile investigation (several resignations of those appointed to head the independent inquiry into abuse by elites.) The upper echelons of celebrity and politics were full of fishy goings on, and while celebrities like Saville and Rolf Harris have been found out, the establishment is protecting themselves, until they die off (Cyril Smith, Lord Janner) or people are past caring.

I like worlds and don't care much about characters or their development. What's a good fantasy series for me? My favorite is LotR,

>>8740727
Lyonesse

>>8740238
I think people like you never understood the ambition of Malazan Book of the Fallen. There's way too much going on in the series to have been done in 3 books.

>>8740727
Anything by Tad Williams. His characterizations range from nice to flimsy but his focus is on mythology and much of the series is dedicated to building up a huge mythos that takes several books to unravel.

>>8740282
These were colleagues who he otherwise got along with and who actually respected Tolkien as a scholar. They were mostly disappointed by what they saw as a "squandering" of his ability. Plus the general stuffiness of British society in the 40s and 50s, the idea of a highly respected linguist writing childish fantasy stories was preposterous. Likely they were trying to shame him into a more "respectable" pursuit.

>>8734010
lift always reminded me of sette from unsounded, only more fucking annoying.

whatever, I managed to get through shallans book, I'm sure I could make it through several hundred pages of lift....I hope.

>>8739730
I made the mistake of starting with the solar cycle. Now everything I read after that won't be very good in comparison

>>8741338
>lift always reminded me of sette from unsounded
Cause she's not nearly as colorful with her metaphors and is less of an imp, Sette is comically greedy and underhanded (pic related remains of my favorite visual gags). Also can't see Sanderson being as bawdy as Ashley or making the same kinds of jokes. Good to see another Unsounded reader in this general, though it figures some would come here in retrospect.

>>8741403
Yeah, I read his short story about the asteroid colony where everyone was hypnotized into thinking it was a paradise and it just felt bland. I probably missed the layers on layers or something.

>>8738912
I get the feeling that having Lewis on your side is worth having the rest of the faculty against you.

>>8740460
Doesn't that happen in the us too? Particularly in California? Pedowood is a thing you know?

Started reading this for the second time.

Why is it so perfect, bros?

Any other essential Wolfe novels? I've also read The Land Across.

>>8741813
Island of Doctor Death and Other Stories and Other Stories, Fifth Head of Cerberus, Innocents Abroad, Book of the Long Sun, Book of the Short Sun, The Wizard Knight.

>>8741922
>No Solider of the Mist

>>8741979
I have a rule of not talking about books I've never read.

>>8730582
No Prince of Nothing? BUT muh philosophical metaphysical horror dark fantasy

>>8736766
>>8736785
How would you pull it off without being really hacky or lame? The guy I *might* resurrect is basically Paul Atreides from Dune except looks like pic related, he dies by shoving his mortal enemy with himself into a pit of energy and dying from the burns after pulling himself out. His daughter has started having visions of him after she visited some mystic in an attempt to hone her future-sight powers, and she is making contact with the "spirit realm" that she at first thought was a load of bullshit but is now getting way into. Her brother also thinks she's full of shit but now she has this driving urge to find some ancient technology from the Progenitors (who are kinda like the Forerunners from Halo, a lot different but similar for the purposes of this) that might be able to "reconstruct" her father.

The two issues are: (1) would it really be him? Even if it had all his memories? I'm a very sentimental person and that's the part that bugs me most. and (2) his son is a decent character, but less introspective and deep than his father, more impulsive, and unlike his father he's more of a fleet commander than a pilot, so he doesn't get into the thick of the action, which is important for the main character for me. His sister does, which is why I've been focusing on her more lately, and her journey and goals are more interesting to me than "i'm gonna build a big fleet and prove myself and win the war" But if I bring back the father, I'm worried he won't have a place in the story anymore.

But yeah just any advice on how to not make it hacky. Leaving it ambiguous as to whether it's really "him" like the ghola in Dune would be interesting. I want to keep the superanturalness somewhat lowkey like in Dune.

I guess one possible interesting thing to do with the resurrection thing would be for the daughter to find the resurrection tech she's looking for, but it's one use: so her choice is, do I bring it back and let them study it and maybe figure out a way to save people from death, but also potentially ruin it, or just bring back my father once and use up perhaps the holy grail of medical tech on one person? I think that would be an interesting Last-of-Us-esque choice. Dunno how interesting that would be though.

>>8740727
Have you read ASOIAF? Martin gets jerked off all the time about writing "realistic" fantasy, but honestly he's better at worldbuilding than he is at writing.

What are themes, concepts, and situations you'd like to see more of in sci-fi?

I want to start practice writing again.

Give me something to do.

>>8735152
>dude COMPLETELY UNRELIABLE NARRATION is VERY hard to understand and you just don't get it bro

>>8742259
>Martin gets jerked off all the time about writing "realistic" fantasy
I've never heard people whose opinions I care about say this. Praise for him I've heard is usually on his character writing and his world building. Then again I don't have a facebook account so maybe that's why.

>>8730368

>>8742624
>>8742624
>>8742624
New Thread.

>>8741471
What was that one short story where a guy sees the same person twice in his life, and she hasn't aged?

>>8742576
It has nothing to do with unreliability. You really just don't get it bro