/lit/ - Literature

>one good book
>next is about magic making you fat
>third has the main character as an observer
I take it back fuck Robin Hobb and soldier's son

Exact same thing the Fitz books did, draw you in with an interesting tale and then descend into misery

>>8689020
Hobb's idea of the hero's journey is one book for introduction and then a descent into misery. It's how all of her series go.

It's not fun conflict, it's just the protag being fucked by stuff they can't control over and over

>>8687998
>How many sides are there?
That can actually affect shit from a distance?
Probably 3, the good "gods" the bad "gods" and Orholem himself.

That are fighting? the Broken Eye group, good "gods", bad "gods", orholem?, Andross, Kip, the broken stone librarians?, etc etc.
They all have their own motives, it's only time that will tell what will happen. Last book might be split, too much shit to resolve in one book.

>>8689140

Oh don't fucking tell me there will be 6 books

Currently rewatching pic related, and was wondering if there is any book or book series that is similar to the series.


I want an extra fix of mistery and strange scientific organizations researching cryptic shitt.

>>8689363
If you're into manga check out btooom

I enjoyed The Feast Of St Dionysus by Robert Silverberg, a novelette of about sixty pages. A burned-out astronaut, after returning a Mars mission, wanders into the Mojave desert, where he encounters a Dionysian/Christian cult.

The story relates calamitous events on Mars, the astronauts breakdown, and his initiation into the cult, in a fragmented third person style. The writing about the cult is the most interesting thing. They venerate Dionysus, Buddha, and Jesus as aspects of the same unity, and aim to unlock the divine unconsciousness ('the God within us') by communal activities of drinking, feasting, and naked wrestling.

It's among the better Silverberg stories I have read, and worth reading if you are interested in Mars, the desert, guilty memories, and the rites of cults.

>>8689142
I hope not, that is just a dark future insight.

>>8689363
A book that leaves you scratching your head saying what?
Can't recall atm.

>>8689393

I was already pissed off with Goldenhand and then the blood mirror happened...

This hack is going to milk this series isn't he, even if he has a 5 book trilogy he's going to write a prequel I fucking guarantee it

>>8689403
What happened with Goldenhand?

I'm 3/4 way through. Does it leave you on a cliffhanger?

I think I will drop the series after this. It is progressing from a kid book (the dead caller in waiting wants her cunny stuffed) to a more mature novel (probably trying Harry Potter, Percy Jackson route) but it's still too PG for me.
I need my regular supply of GRI.

>>8689367
Looks interesting. Is it good?

>>8689401
Well, hopefully no with such a bad ending. Im interested in the aura of mistery that lost gave. Of exploring something unknown that you can barelyget to know the surface of. Kind of blindsight or rendevouz with Rama, when they are exploring the big dumb object (although I'd prefer it not be space related).

>>8689415
>What happened with Goldenhand?

It was shit, I don't remember the details I just remember it being completely weak compared to the previous novels

I really need to update my chart.

>>8689463

Tell me what to read
I like: A LOT OF MAGIC

What I've read: Sanderson, Nix, Weeks, Erikson

>>8689424
All this talk about LOST and an aura of mystery made me remember the Bionicle toyline by Lego, which had an incredibly original sci-fi setting that had exactly that kind of feel in its first years. Too bad the actual books and movies were utter shit.

>>8689510
from muh current chart?
Select the ones with the Golden Stars

>>8689596

Are the golden stars specifically meant for me?

And I asked generally not just pertraining to the chart, sorry if I offend you by saying this

>>8689596
Missed stars on Promise of Blood and Shadow of what was lost chartanon

>>8689510
Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell

>>8689510
HARRY POTTER

>>8689510
FACE
IN
THE
FROST

>>8689605
don't worry about offending that creature

>>8689640

It was the first female author I read and I dropped it halfway but I did like the show somewhat

>>8689804

I see

why do black people in fantasy books always have to be exoticized (blue eyes, silver hair etc.)

why not just have black people as they are?

>>8689606
Speaking of The Shadow of What was Lost I saw yesterday that there's a contest going on for the Orbit edited version https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22878967-the-shadow-of-what-was-lost

>>8689606
It was like a apocalyptic novel that is why I passed over it.

>>8689605
Don't have to worry about offending. The chart is just what I think people from these parts would read from the hundreds of sff novels I red over the years.

Different strokes for different folks, some people here might like it, others don't.

>>8689640
It's not really showy magic. It's like an ole faire tale.

>>8689804
Is that you greymouser anon?

>>8689852

I was thinking, with all these Dragons in fantasy books, how come there never is a fantasy book with dinosaurs instead? I think that'd be a cool concept.

>>8689950

Oh god you mentioned dinosaurs
God save this thread

>>8689865
Left is an abo ie. not black

This is a legitimate gripe for me. Its like fantasy authors feel the need to make their black characters special out of some sort of white guilt or in an attempt to reach out to colored readers, but in so doing, they make them not black anymore.

You
Just
Know...

>All these point and shoot no cost magic systems

>>8689052
Fitz getting cucked by Burrich, his father figure is probably the shittiest thing in any fantasy book. And that's how that trilogy ended.

>>8689950
Victor Milan has a series called "The Dinosaur Lords", however I've heard it's not very good and is just a GoT ripoff.

Other then that, the only one I could think of is Glorantha, the setting for King of Dragon Pass and the Runequest/Heroquest roleplaying games.

>>8689950
Working on it. Well, not dinosaur-focused, but around the halfway point there's a group of these guys hunting a stegosaurus at night. And if I ever get good enough to write really silly stuff I want to have mecha with dinosaur-skin cloaks.

>>8689950
West of Eden basically

Dinosaurs evolved as the top species and humans are their little bitches

>>8689950
>how come there never is a fantasy book with dinosaurs instead?

>>8689950
http://pastebin.com/p1F2YeGJ

You're welcome.

>>8690190
>Raptors
>Feathers
Fucking dropped

The Wizard Knight just slayed me, folks.

>>8690201
can't fight science, anon

>>8690267
You finished? Isn't that an amazing setup at the end? So many layers.

Does he choose life or death in the ambulance? Or is becoming a redeemer to his fantasy world a third option?

>>8690294
I think he went back to his coma as your third option or Michael took him to Elysion and he died. If I knew someone who died or was in a coma I think the story would have ruined me. Like that image you of whit text on a black background saying you, the viewer, are in a coma and the image you're seeing on 4chan is a new method to contact you and wake you up, I wonder if a Ben with a dead brother named Arthur ever read it. I don't know why the story hit me this hard. I'm dying here.

>>8690317
I felt that if he had chosen to go to Skai he would have died in the the real world and gone to heaven. And maybe that if he'd died in the battle he'd have woken up in the ambulance. But sacrificing his blood to make his mud elf waifu real was a transcendent act that seems to call for something more than more coma, death or waking from the dream.

It's been too long since I've read it I need to go back.

>>8689020
Soldier Son is terrible. Only series of hers that I didn't finish.

>>8690353
I really fucking liked the first book but I was getting bored of it just being his life being ruined because magic made him fat.

I looked up a summary to see that plot ended soon and it turned out it was the plot of the rest of the series.

I get that authors like to be subversive but if you're gonna spend a whole book making me read slow paced setup only to then ignore it I'm done

Man in the High Castle is a big success, what's the next Alternate History series to be adapted to television?

Has anyone read the "The Expanse" series? I must admit I've never heard of it but it just popped up as a new series on my Netflix so I googled it only to find out it is based on a novel series. So naturally I'd prefer to read that before I start judging characters on their TV counterparts. But is it worth the time?

>>8689510
>>8689596
>Magicians guild
Was pretty ok, but it what's really dragging ol' trudi down is her need to include some social justice homo bullshit.
And I have nothing against homos in my literature but... the way she does it is just plain bad. In her Books she has build this pretty great world with how Magic and society works together and whatnot and the plot about the MC is pretty entertaining as well, but then there is this boring fucking subplot about a homomage who has difficulties existing because for no real reason everyone in the country is really fucking homophobic and he has to hide it or he will lose his status and blaaaaah. It's so blindingly obvious that the author is going "Yeah you know what? This is you society and this is ugly! This is a bad thing that these people don't like the friendly non-threatening gay guy! No dessert for you society!". It all feels so forced and misplaced and I'm 90% sure you could edit it all out without feeling that the book is missing something.
If you compare that to American Gods, When Gaiman includes a gay scene it doesn't completely rip you out of it, it feels very much natural and how any other scene with any other character would go. No need for drawn out subtexts about the plight of the gay man from Gaiman.

>>8690561
Yeah it's good.

TV show is worth watching too.

>>8690695
I'll give it a go as soon as I'm done with a couple of the books. Since I'm a germanfag and don't have scifi I need to wait for them to be available on Netflix anyhow.

almost done with The Brothers Cabal. Man, that got a lot better around the the second half

what next? do I move on to The Fall Of House Cabal, or pick up Death's End?

I feel like I should be reading some higher lit and giving Borges another shot but The Aleph was so unforgivably dull I'm hesitant to do so.

>>8690362
>his life being ruined because magic made him fat.

"Today on Maury!"

>>8690561
Solid scifi adventure-pulp.

>>8690695
>>8690968
>Leviathan Wakes is set in a future in which humanity has colonized much of the solar system, but not interstellar space. In the Asteroid Belt and beyond, tensions are rising between Earth's United Nations, Mars and the outer planets.

I swear to god if they are People living on Neptune I'm gonna throw a shitfit.

>>8690362
Yeah I'm with you mate. I ended up dropping it about halfway through the second book.

What book is dropping within the last two months of this year?

>>8691474
dunno about december but november looks like shit

>>8689596
that's jewish
are you a jew lad

>>8690438
Probably your pic related, sadly. The only other novel-length alt-hist I've read that's any good was Years of Rice and Salt, and you'd think the diversity corps would be all over that but I don't think they'd like their magic brown people doing the same colonization and genocide the whites would have done.

It's a shame, the reincarnation format adapts really well to a visual medium.

>>8691474
Vindication of Man.

>>8691592
I want to believe post-Castalia Wright can be good, but it'll take some doing. That "Orphans" book that keeps getting shilled here was terrible.

>>8691602
Orphans was way pre-Castalia, and Vindication's getting published by Tor.

>>8691522
>reading fantasy books makes you a jew

What are you doing in the sffg if you don't want to be associated with jews. I mean we already shill almost every thread.

So the warded man, any good at all? Its on the chart

>>8691669
Nah.

>>8691669
Started off good, then it became a holy war with the not muslim, and how they will conquer the infidels (kafeet).

Read if you want, the author has let me down numerous amounts of time.

>>8691669
enjoyable enough but the side characters that get increasingly more prominent roles are a negative

>>8689950
The Stone Dance of the Chameleon by Ricardo Pinto. I couldn't tell you if it's any good though. Has mixed reviews.

>>8691669
I read the first hundred pages and found it to be poorly written and generic.

>>8691850
It was a great source for gri years ago. Reading about how her daddy took down her door so she couldn't lock him out at night was delicious.

Also reading about one trying to get away from the dicking so bad, sleeps with a guy whose wife was just brutally attacked and lay dying not too far away made me diamonds.

Just goes to show that women are manipulative, and trying to make it to a lvl 40 wizard would make my life far more carefree.

I just finished Name of the Wind, why is Bast so yandere homo for Kvothe?

>>8692121

Hes a self insert for a friend the author never had because he was such a loser, and still is

>>8692151

>Kvothe didn't fuck Fela when she was practically naked and begging for it and throughout the entire book
>Doesn't fuck Devi either due to teasing and chemistry being better between them
>Spends the entire novel fawning over boring old Diane

For fuck sake, why do the writers always make their heroes fall for the most boring love interests imaginable.

>>8692299
It's alright next book you get literally hundreds of pages of him fucking a fairy

>>8692121
Everyone in his books either loves Kvothe because he's so good or hates Kvothe because he's so good

That's the extent of Rothfuss' character writing

>>8692299
Kvothe fucks so many women in book 2 though. He basically becomes a renowned man slut. Except he still doesn't get to fuck Diane.

>>8692121
Who is your favourite star? Who do you look up to?

If you met your idol in real life, and was allowed to work for them, or stay at their residence. How would you behave?


Also this general is dead. Are all the Americlaps too busy eating turkey and candy?

>>8692837
Candy still, no turkey til turkey day.

>>8692837
bonfire night tomorrow

so fireworks all week long to go to

>>8692299
Fun fact the
>Now I will introduce the love of my life who fucked everything part
The characters immediately introduced after it were Auri, then Devi, then finally like 2 chapters later Diane the battered wife mary sue.

I'm really hoping Diane is one big fake out because she somehow manages to be the worst part in the series whenever she shows up.

>>8692904
Isn't turkey day halloween time?

>implying rothfuss will ever release the 3rd book

>>8693056
You should read the reviews on goodreads. He is basically begging readers from the future to send him book 3 to read.

Reading Bakker for the first time on sffg recommendation.

What an I in for?

>>8693112
Very slow and boring first book.

I honestly don't get how people can get into these massive series where one/several books are really mind numbing to get to the single good one.

>>8693112

Weed smoking

>>8693125
You mean hashish?

>>8692121
Because the author used a variation on the Standard Didn't-get-over-high-school Plot.

>Act 1
>MC is awkward, unattractive, and misunderstood, but smart and snarky
>MC discovers the heart of the misunderstanding is his previously unknown incredible gift
>MC enters a whirlwind of an adventure of discovering his gift as people are suddenly after him
>MC defeats some minor foes with his gift but doesn’t know how
>MV (Male Villain) is introduced, an ass for no reason, is a jock, and good looking
>MV has control over seductress Female Villain (FV) The FV is shown not totally responsible for being a villain

>Act 2
>First confrontation with MV who wants gift to be a bigger asshole, MC escapes
>FV sent to seduce MC
>MC has the greatest moral victory of all time, he turns down a hot woman with dark hair, and large breasts
>FV found MC sincerity and respect for women attractive but must obey the MV
>FV killed by MV since she failed and MV captures MC relishes being an asshole, brags about it, and has sex with hot slave women in celebration

>Act 3
>MC escapes with the help of a spunky, quirky, FR (Female Rogue) who doesn’t realize how pretty she really is
>FR helps MC unlock his gift but is better at everything else than the MC and is more intelligent and wise. Effectively the FR has no flaws
>FR beds MC unexpectedly and loves MC for his snark, mid-level intelligence, and ignores his stupidly childish antics, weird personality, and total lack of friends
>FR and MC team up to beat MV
>MC discovers in the final battle that his gift allows him to be powerful as the gods but he’s magnanimous about how he uses it
>MC tells the FR a stupid joke at the end, she rolls her eyes, and kisses him

>>8693145

No im sure he smokes weed

>>8693112
A lot of heavy worldbuilding, till you're about 100 pages in. Then it picks up

>>8693112
I didn't like it myself.
I think we may have gotten memed on

>>8689965
kek

>>8689965

I dont get it

>>96120489

>>8693434
>>8693443
Nice right arm sleeve tat

>>8693465
whoops
>>>/pol/96120489

>>8693472
Why can't you fucks stay in your containment board?

>>8691691

>already talking about how the other people cover up their women and dont let them talk

Zzzzzzzzz

>>8693472
fuck off.

Is Rothfuss' prose really as good as everyone says?

>>8693792

Its even better

>>8693792
It's flowery for sure. Even the parts not narrated by Kvothe (who you could understand for embellishing given his background in theater) have rather elaborate descriptions. That's the extent to which I paid attention to his prose though, somebody who reads more attentively might be able to explain his use of meter or alliteration or whatever, I don't read fantasy for that stuff.

>>8693016
No that's Thanksgiving, which is always on the fourth Thursday of November.

why should I read dune past book 1 tell me

why should I read ender's game past book 1 tell me

>>8693857

You shouldnt they both turn to shit

>>8693857
Dune is worth continuing if you liked it.

Ender's Game is worth not continuing if you liked it

>>8693792
No it's fucking awful

He just adds adverbs to everything.

>>8693792
Read three pages. Good prose isn't hidden.

>>8693857
>why should I read ender's game past book 1
You shouldn't.

Daughter of the Empire is so fucking good

Are any of Feist and Wurts' other books good? I've only ever seen Magician and Empire mentioned

>>8694069
Feist's books started out strong but withered away into tedium.

I'm both intrigued and skeptical to hear that he may have found a collaborator to reinvigorate him. Maybe Wurts is just a good fanfic writer herself.

>>8693857
Because Dune Messiah is the best book in the series.

>>8689950
Swanwick does this stuff I think.

Does Powder mage pick up later in the books? Its been real boring and uneventful so far

>>8693123
now that I'm 6 books in, I think book 1 was the best because it fucked with my expectations the most. It was like watching a Christopher Nolan movie and the rest of the books were like watching Inception 2, Prestige 2, Dark Knight Rising Again, etc. like yeah we get the point.

Taking on literature as a new hobby. I'm a /v/ user so I'm starting with sci-fi / fantasy stuff.

I just finished reading Frank Herbert's Dune. It was awesome. What do I read from here? LotR?

>>8694551
Malazan

>>8694553
Why do I feel as though that might be a jest? Seems like a long series?

>>8694551
There's literature in some of these - also look at Kurt Vonnegut's early sci-fi.

>>8694580
It's a book with a lot of fans but the author's not the best writer especially early on

Use the stuff in the OP, and then maybe ask some more specific questions to find what you want.

>>8694632
Well, I kind of did.

Any objections for going into the LotR books next? How many books are there of it?

>>8694639
Lotr is one book published in three parts but you could also read hobbit which is somewhat of a prelude.

They're very good but also very slowly paced and full of fucking long songs. So you might not like it if you're not used to long reads

>>8694551
Discworld. I'd suggest starting with the Watch books, though it's not really a series where you'll be totally lost if you just pick a book/sub-series at random.

Glen Cook's Black Company is pretty good, and is about a mercenary company working for the bad guys. Other stuff he's written is The Dragon Never Sleeps, a story about immortal battleships in space that enforce the status quo, and Passage at Arms, which is basically a U-Boat story in space.

David Gemmell's Denari series.

Timothy Zahn is best known for the Thrawn Star Wars books, but I'd highly recommend The Icarus Hunt. It's a standalone scifi novel that I've reread a few times.

The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. Classic 50s scifi, and is actually good on it's own as opposed to being a libertarian meme.

>>8694632
While I agree the first book is the weakest it picks up tremendously the second the perspective switches to Corkus and Kruppe which is within the first 50 pages easily.

Anyone read or have an opinion on The Host? Thought it was a nice soft scifi book. Dealing with dual narrators was fun.

>>8693112
Lots of cucking

>>8694764
The Twilight authors book?

>>8694793
Yeah.

>>8693857
Ender's Game sequels are written so matter-of-factly it's easy to forget how insane they are. Ender gets an AI waifu, marries a single mom, saves a planet of pig people, generates sinister copies of Peter and Valentine from unformed matter outside the universe, is involved in saving a planet of OCD Chinese people, and turns into dust with a smile on his face. Also there's another alien race that communicates with heroin.

>>8694837
What about that part where the aliens vivisect a guy? I remember that happening vividly.

>>8694069
I've read most of Feist's Midkemia/Tsurunuanni stuff and I can safely say that Daughter of the Empire is the best thing to ever come out of it. The original Riftwar Saga isn't half bad, and I have a soft spot for the Serpent War saga that comes after it, but it just gets so drawn out and suffers from DBZ-esque power creep in a ridiculous way.

If you really want to get into it, just read the Riftwar Saga (Magician, Silverthorn, A Darkness at Sethanon), then if you thought that was okay you can read the Riftwar Legacy trilogy. If somehow that's still not enough then read Prince of the Blood (stand-alone set between Riftwar and Serpent war) and finally the Serpent War saga. Nothing after that is really worth reading even if you're super bored.

>>8694864
That was the mystery in Speaker for the Dead. The setup was the piggies would sacrifice their best people now and then, just skin them alive, set their organs around them, and plant a tree in it. A couple of xenoanthropologists worked really hard to be accepted by them and got the same treatment, all except for the tree. Turns out the piggies and the trees are different stages in the same creature's life cycle, and you need to do the vivisecting if you want them to be self-aware as trees.

>>8694551
There is no obligation to read Tolkien first if you're just looking for a foothold in fantasy. If you have a real interest in his work then go ahead, but don't feel like you have to read him. Contrary to what people might say he actually isn't super relevant in the modern fantasy scene, since it hasn't been fashionable to imitate Tolkien for almost two decades.

Anyone else like the Honor Harrington books by David Weber?

Any other space operas similar to this that you would recommend?

>>8694902
Jack Campbell's The Lost Fleet, the first series at least, is the finest, simplest space fleet story anyone could ask for.

>>8694919
heard some good stuff about this series, thanks

>>8694764
I tried to read it so I could shit on it with proof(you don't shit on a bok unless you reas it), but I couldn't take it.

Put it on a back burner after she escaped and went to a beach??? Desert?? in like early 2013/ late 2012... never picked it up since.

It had a nice premise.. but the fucking romance shit. I smelled that from a mile away.

>>8694764
I read it years ago and I don't remember a single thing that happened in it.

>>8688716
Where's the spurdo of the bakker books? Can someone post it?

>>8695312
It's at the bottom of the last thread.

Probably not the best place to ask but fuck /tv/, anyone watched the latest season of Black Mirror?

>>8695664
>/lit/ - Literature
>>>/tv/

Is it possible for a book to be about people being shunned for being better without it coming off as preachy?

>>8695959
t. John Galt :)

It can and has been done alright, mainly with fantasy where the people with the magic/powers are feared and suppressed.

Even in schlocky stuff like Breeks and Canavan you get the most powerful mages in the books being effectively figureheads because people fear the.

Scifi's done it too but with economic differences

>>8694902
I liked the ones I read. I recomend looking into the Legend of Galactic heroes television show.

>>8694902
The Lost Fleet series.

Dread Empire's Fall had some good space battles in it IIRC.

The Lt. Leary series by David Drake.

Any fantasy or sci-fi with qt traps?

>>8694588
>Soft sci-fi chart
>No Delaney or Le Guin

>>8696045
The only Canavan I have much experience with is Black Magician trilogy and her newest series, but there's always some other angle to the powerful people being shunned and hated rather than just because they're powerful. It still ultimately comes to that though.

>>8695214
The romance does get a little heavy handed, and you know a love triangle is coming from a mile away. But the fact that the love triangle ISNT really a love triangle because of the split consciousness thing I thought was a nice deviation.

>>8696303
It's the hype around the movie that made me consider reading the book. Jelly aliens from space hijacking your body for nefarious purposes? Hell yeah!... Then I started reading the book and an overwhelming odour of ya romance was just wafting in my direction.
She already had a huge x by her name for twilight, wasn't going to force myself through that.

I forced myself through thomas covenant the unbeliever (1st book), but couldn't do the same for the host.
Imagine me finishing a shit book like Thomas Covenant , and not being able to finish the host.

>>8696446
Covenant's amazing you pussy

>>8696487
Fuck you. It's a shit piece of a book, with that cunt crying about his fucking leper status, and disbelieving that everything is real.

The rape wasn't even all that because the girl was semi-willing. I wish I could go back 4 years and strangle the fucker on /lit/ who suggested this pile of trash to me and sweared left and right that it was good.

If you are here thomas covenant shill of 2012 go kill your fucking self.

>>8696446
>Jelly aliens from space hijacking your body for nefarious purposes?

The whole point of the Souls is that they hijack other species for the exact OPPOSITE of nefarious reasons. How far did you get exactly?

>>8696604
Oh it's rape anon

Covenant being a moody cunt who doesn't believe in anything and succeeding because of that is the whole premise. It's why it's called "chronicles of tc UNBELIEVER". The progression from that onward is amazing

How is this thread 2 days old and you fuckers haven't blown it up by now to bump limit?

What are some good books to read while tripping on LSD?

>>8696604
rude

>>8696631
PKD of course

>>8696614
When she escaped the hospital by threatening to cut her neck/ w/e.

I last touched that book in 2013 anon, and never finished it. So forgive me if I got come shit mixed jp.

>>8696665
Dude, the hospital scene is really early on. If you can get passed the obvious YA love triangle stink, it's pretty good light scifi

>>8696622
I couldn't take the FUCKING REPETITION during the book.

That was the first book I gave 1star on goodreads (and I had 400 recorded at the time).

>>8696637
Cute. But it was probably an oldfag that left when /his/ was made, or before that, when the post quality of this board was hitting the shitter.

>>8696686
>Cute
All I wanted. Hope you have a wonderful rest of your day/night, anon. :-)

>>8696669
It's the ya shit that made me drop the book, so obviously I can't get past it. Or didn't you read all my posts?

>all this stuff that's happened in Daughter of Empire
>all of these ruses
>still 150 pages+ left in the first book of a trilogy

This is honestly a better political thriller than anything that tries to do it in a modern setting.

Is there any other fantasy about people in explicitly non-fighting roles? I can only think of Daniel Abraham who bungles it by mixing the amazing banking PoV with normal fantasy stuff for the others

>>8696911
The mercenary guy (Wester?) isn't the part where he bungles the story.

>>8689596
>look at sci-fi
>no Asimov
>no Lem
>no Banks
>no Haldeman
>no Heinlein
>no Simmons
u focking wot m8

Anybody else find fantasy relatively unfulfilling? Like yeah I've read Discworld and some other stuff like LotR and Glen Cook, but it all just seems so samey and tiresome I almost never get past the first quarter of a book. Doesn't matter if it's high, low, grim, dark or epic.

(Though I find I fare slightly better with "historic" fantasy. Eg, Jim Butcher's "Roman legions with Pokemon" series, Shadow Campaigns (Napoleonic wars), the Lotus War series (steampunk japan), Kate Elliot's Crossroads series (pseudo-SE Asia setting) and similar. Perhaps it's just the "Generic european fantasy kingdoms" that I don't like.)

>>8697060
>muh generic european fantasy boogeyman
>I literally do not know how to find books so it's the genre that's bad

Does Black Company get better or worse as the story progresses?

Just finished the first book and it was alright, the choppy and to the point writing is quite refreshing as far as fantasy goes, but not sure if i want to commit to a 9 book series.

metro 2035

>>8697108
The first few are good, later it kind of fades away.

Like most genre series, somebody's publisher said give me more of this and the guy turned the crank.

It's safe to drop when you feel you've had enough

>>8696604
Honestly you should give the second book a try when you've cooled off a bit. The second and ire TC books were much better. The follow on series weren't worth it though.

I'm reading Death's End but I'm not really enjoying it. Granted, I'm still reading it but I would rather be reading something I really enjoyed.

Looking back, most of the best things I've ever read were things I read over a year ago. The Golem and the Jinni, The Grace of Kings, Fevre Dream, The Night Circus (those last two perhaps less so)

God, why can't I just deeply enjoy everything instead of shitting on and forgetting everything I read?

So I've been thinking about stories where you have somebody with a magical healing power, and that alone leads to conflicts. Is there something like that but where the ability also covers mental problems and a good deal of the conflict comes from this specific aspect of it?

>>8697341
People on goodreads hate it too, don't knownif it's because of the rape for some, but most site the fucking tedious repetition. Not touching that book again.

Has anyone on /sffg/ read Johannes Cabal The Necromancer ? I just finished it.

It was fairly good (7/10). The humor was mostly good, and I liked the episodic bits in the middle, but it felt like it lost steam as it progressed, and the lack of information about the setting and period seemed pointlessly coy rather than the timelessness it was going for.

>>8697685
Dunno if it's exactly what you're asking for but Dragonoak is about a girl who runs away from home to be a squire for a lady knight, and she can heal people by virtue of being a necromancer, but their society hates and fears necromancers due to some stuff that happened in the past.

>>8697842
Obviously I should become a writer because none of the things I asked about in this thread seem to exist already.

Did this nigga name an assassin "Murder Sharp". Jesus Christ

>>8697950
Durzo Bl(u)nt and Murder Sharp

Where do you guys recommend starting with Asimov? I've been recommended him by quite a few friends and managed to win a 58 book eBay auction for about $20. So I guess I have close to all of his works coming.

I'm undecided what I'll do with them all right now, whether some will be sold in smaller lots, given to charity or friends.. or perhaps I take on the challenge and keep them in my loft and just read 5 a year.

>>8698076
Nightfall and Other Stories. Not only is it some of his best work, it's some of his most varied, so if you absolutely hate everything in it you'll know not to keep up with Asimov. My favorites in it are Nightfall and C-Chute, but now that I'm actually looking at the title listing I'm wanting to go back and read the whole thing again.

>>8697741
Do you even look at charts?
If you did, you would know someone read it, and shilled it to others who also read it.

>>8697950
Did you see how he got his nickname? Or are you memeing after glancing at goodreads?

>>8698164
I don't really remember much of the other books apart from some general edginess, so it's probable that I did and then forgot it the same way I forgot his name.

Where should I start with Banks?
Games?

Anyone read Kage Baker? I've only read the short story where the time travelers are trying to steal a grapevine but it was delightful.

>>8698159
You do understand that that was an attempt at starting a conversation right?

>>8698189
yes. If you like it, the rest, in the order that they where published.

Matter and for me, consider Phlebas are the hardest to start with. I still gobbled them up though, I fucking love the Culture

>>8697741
I read it about 5 years ago, and can barely remember it. Its humor didn't make me laugh, its characters weren't deep or endearing, it didn't have anything interesting to say as I recall. Not to say that it was bad, just not memorable.

>>8698159
Can you shut up? Putting a book on a chart along with fifty others isn't shilling it, and doesn't mean that anyone has read it. Just because Aniara and Lyonesse have been in the OP charts for a long time doesn't mean that people have read them.

>>8697017
it's a modern compilation you dingus

>>8698196
Yeah I've read The Anvil of the World. Bit tonally odd at times but generally good.

>>8697155
Word.

What's the news on an english translation?
Any idea what the Russians are saying?

I was thoroughly let down with 2034, although it had some interesting elements it was overall badly stitched together.

Hope Glukovsky doesn't turn into Card, and be a one-hit-wonder

>>8698326
Actually a little browsing from /r/metro2033 seems to imply the Russians enjoyed it so maybe we're in for a treat

>>8698318
That chart includes Ubik, which was published in 1969. Literally EVERY writer that anon listed has published something more recently than 1969.

So no, you can't just wave away the lack of those writers by saying it's a modern compilation, because their inclusion would be entirely consistent with the chart.

>>8698344
You can easily wave away the lack of these authors by saying the anon that made it wasn't thinking of them or just doesn't like them.

>>8698349
Sure, that is a valid reason, but saying that they aren't "modern" enough for the chart isn't.

>Maybe if I have my character speak in alliteration during "powerful" scenes and have them psychoanalyze someone the moment they meet them people will think they're smart

I read Sandkings by George RR Martin which was an entertaining read about warring beetle-like pets who worship their owner. This is going to make me sound like a STEM-lord, but it reminded me of watching a videogame battle unfold between four AI armies.

I was wondering about his wider short fiction and whether if there were other stories worth seeking out. I've already read his Dunc and Egg stories, which I rate more than the later ASOIAF novels.

Why is everyone in Starfish so goddam angry

I'm sitting here in my blanket getting all perturbed by these violent outbursts

>>8698733
Tuf Voyaging and Fevre Dream are both good.

>>8690337
I completely missed the whole coma/death thing, how did I fuck up so bad?

>>8694534
Essentially the series is so bad that the first was needed to set the expectation to trash for the rest to be redeemable?

>>8697060
>Like yeah I've read Discworld and some other stuff like LotR and Glen Cook
So you've read basically nothing.

Can anyone recommend some adventure story without a lot of switching between viewpoints? Something like Jack Reacher or Conan the Barbarian in it's action driven simplicity. Either fantasy or sci-fi is fine

(yes I am a gigantic idiot but I also just have a craving for something pulpy and simplistic right now)

>>8699205
First Black Company is only one perspective.

>>8699205
Black Amazon of Mars. Leigh Brackett is compulsively readable even when she's trying really hard to be Burroughs.

>>8699205
Damasio - The WindWalkers

>>8698326
>Viggo Mortenson in the background

>>8699254
Already read the series, but thanks anyway

>>8699301
The cover looks deliciously pulpy and the ebook is available on Library Genesis, so I'm starting on it right away. Thanks!

>>8699387
>"...though it can get a little disorienting (especially initially) because of the way it switches between characters and their viewpoints."

fuk u

>>8698769
They're all triggering each other constantly.

>>8699205
Dresden Files maybe? It's got some mystery in it so it might be a little too complicated for your tastes, but it's pulpy and there's definitely some good action.

>>8698233
Your newfag is showing. All the books you mentioned your read. Look in the archives foe complaints and complements about them.

What's Sanderson's stuff outside of Mistborn and Stormlight?

I can't find anyone who does schlocky action with the main character powering up better but his character writing is no good.

I'm gonna read Rithmatist anyway since I love sff stuff set in schools/academies and I seem to have ran out of stuff like that to read.
(have read Blood Song, Emperor's Blades, Black Magician, Inda, Soldier Son, Red Rising, Ender's Game, Codex Alera and probably a few that I've forgot).
If anyone also has any pointers on that subgenre I'd appreciate it

>>8698366
>>8698344
I explained rhis already. The chart is compiled of books that I read personally, which I think would be appreciated by anons who read modern books.

There are some anons in here who literally read nothing but pre 1980 books, some others read nothing but post 2000. Meh.

>>8700813
Dresden Files , powder mage, night watch by some Russian guy.

I would have to check goodreads for other books read. Run through pic related and see if there is anything there I cba atm to sign in and search.

>>8698802
When I read reviews I find that many, many people miss the frame.

Maybe Wolfe should have sold it harder, because I think it really elevates the book.

>>8700879
Oh does Powder Mage move into that?

I stopped reading whilst it was still in the gritty opening because I found another book slightly more enticing

>>870091
It varies a bit. There's a lot of Taniel acting like Rambo and snorting gunpowder like a 17th century tony montana, but there's also a lot of politics and mystery.
I wouldn't read it for the action personally, but the other stuff isn't bad.

>>8700813
Sander's first book is "Elantris". Its really simplistic but I've become very charmed by it over time. There's an innocence to ut that reminds me of how I felt reading Redwall as a child.

Lads, why doesn't Vin wear shoes? Do they ever explain this?

>>8700813
>>8701015
I hate how all of his standalone novels are being forced into having sequels

Warbreaker was fine on its own

About 40% into The Devil in a Forest. I really like it so far. Vintage wolfe.

>>8701034
>forced into
to be fair I think sanderson wants to do it, it's not like his publishers are forcing him

>>8701169
Sanderson has an asian work ethic.

What do you think /sffg/, is black powder fantasy around to stay? Got a few of them in my reading queue at the moment and I'm enjoying them as a middle-ground between modern urban fantasy and swords-and-sandals type fantasy.

Would be interested in seeing maybe some WWI/WWII era fantasy books.

>>8701433
>black powder fantasy
I am interested in this idea. I'm currently researching 1700's era France as a setting for a military adventure with over-the-top wire-fu style bayonet fights and cavalry charges, but not magic as such. Are more people doing a Fireballs & Flintlocks?

>>8701442
From what I've seen yes. It'd be cool if people started doing 17th and 18th century stuff in a low magic setting.

>>8701442
Seems to be a current trend. It's not overpowering or anything but more and more books are coming out with muskets and magic elements.

>>8701433
>>8701456
>>8701462
All I can think of in the genre are the Powder Mage series, and the one by Django Wexler. What are the others?

>>8700813
>I'm gonna read Rithmatist anyway
This is actually really good

Writing to a lower page count suits Sanderson, the pacing in his long books is dreadful

>>8693731
GRRM is very on topic even if his shilling for Killary is making your ass sore.

>>8701484
Anthony Ryan's new series.

Can't remember the name, I didn't read it much because of the multiple pov's being less appealing that the other book I was reading.

Also there's shitty stuff like Soldier's Son which uses it

>>8694893
More importantly the genre has shifted from Christian fairy tales and mythopoetic works to modernistic pig slop.

>>8701456
>>8701462
>muskets and magic
Do you have any examples of good writing in this area?
Another poster mentioned
>Powder Mage series,
>the one by Django Wexler.
>Anthony Ryan's new series.

Honestly I just want a western-fantasy that isn't written by Stephen King, fuck the gunpowder shit.

>>8701581
Do you mean magic-system Alloy of Law stuff or more Louis L'Amour with ghosts?

>>8701588
I haven't read either, but I'm looking for something more focused on the societal change of the time with added ghosts and magic system shit.

>>8701581
i hear name of the wind is pretty good.

how is it /sffg/?

>>8701611
Nice try but I already got memed into read that

>>8701433
I hope so. Just as long as it stays with the "historic fiction with fantastic/strange elements" rather than steam/dieselpunk bullshit.

>>8701494
>>8701536
There's also Adrian Tchaikovsky's Guns of the Dawn.

I just finished Wolfhound Century by Peter Higgins which is a weird pseudo-Russian setting circa 1910-1920.

IIRC there was another book that just came out about spirit mediums being used in WWI to gather intelligence from dead soldiers, was sort of a spy story as I recall. Can't remember the name.

>>8701615
kek @ the top review on goodreads

>>8701605
And of course the gunslinger/cowboy aesthetic, right?

>>8701659
Obviously

>>8701647
That's enough to make me want to read it.

>>8701685
>ywn be a science fiction fan in the golden age of autistic SF, sitting in a comfy armchair smoking a pipe once the wife's put the kids to bed, reading first-edition Dune that you ordered from a magazine, reveling in the worldbuilding and misogyny

>>8701622
>IIRC there was another book that just came out about spirit mediums being used in WWI to gather intelligence from dead soldiers, was sort of a spy story as I recall. Can't remember the name.

Fuuuck I saw a press release a few weeks back but can't think of the name either and now it's bothering me.

>>8701507
As if people blindly aping Tolkien was any better. Some of the most tiresome and mindless dreck was churned out under his shadow. They put in the elves and dwarves and have the dark lord of evil and the magic artifact of destiny and the great quest with the callow youth the renegade king etc but it's just a facade. It's hollow. There's no ensuing substance that shows they grasped what Tolkien was doing with his mythology and world.

>>8701697
I said nothing of the pretenders riding on the coattails of Tolkien, I think he was one of the last of his kind.

>>8700883
I did get that he was dead, but I didn't get the whole coma thing. I just assumed he stayed with his waifu in eternal elf pussy land.

Here is a chart for some SF books that I liked. It is in no way meant to be comprehensive or even accurate, but most of these books have either not been mentioned here or only mentioned by me. If I have inadvertently shilled a book that was previously shilled to death I apologize in advance.

Most of these are available used off Amazon for the price of shipping. I hope you all enjoy.

>>8701776
boring

>>8701647
im half way through reading that review. i really want to read it now. kek.

what should i read next? Cant decide
https://www.goodreads.com/review/list/27803430-amin?shelf=backlog

>>8701889
Musashi or Steppenwolf

>>8701889
steppenwolf. just cause that's on my list as well. havent read any of those.

>>8701889
the golem and the jinni

>>8701890
>>8701891
was thinking either that or Shades of Magic 2. But the first one was only ok so imma wait till its cheaper

>>8701903
Didn't see page 2

You should read Small Gods sooner rather than later too, it's his best work IMO

>>8701907
thx yeah heard that too thats why i got it there. Wasnt blown away Night watch though it was pretty old school

>>8701611
Read Alloy of law

So is the message from the end of Echopraxia that Blindsight and the entirety of Siri's account of the events is constructed by aliens to brainwash his father as well as the rest of the Earth in preparation for an alien invasion?

Jesus christ Watts

>>8698733
Nightflyers and The Second Kind of Loneliness are worth a look.

>>8699205
The Age of Zeus by James Lovegrove

>>8701581
The Half-Made World by Felix Gilman

Red Country by Joe Abercrombie

Iron Council by China Mieville's train bits have a Western vibe

>>8700911
I thought you were asking for Sandersonesque books, and also books that had a power up.
Powder mage is Sanderson's pupil's work, he writes something like him.
The other books listed(in text) are power up novels.

If you liked powder mage, try Ryan Anthony's dragon series. It has dragon blood swallowing, which copied powder mage's powder swallowing, which copied mistborn's vial with metal shavings swallowing.
All the books I read (published before Sanderson) doesn't hint where Sanderson got the idea, but I'm sure I will find it someday.

>>8701025
>>>/tv/
You feetfags need to be shot on sight, and yes it's explained. Read the fucking books instead of asking us shit so you can pretend as if you read it .

>>8701492
Grrm is on topic, elections are not. If GURM is talking about books, or recommending them? Hell yeah!.

If he is talking about politics and you post outside pol? The mods will give you 30 days to rethink your actions.

>>8701507
>More importantly the genre has shifted from Christian fairy tales
Hi Wright, Wolfe anon. How's your Catholicism coming along?

>>8702089
I'm another anon, Orthodox not Catholic.

>>8701615
Got memed into reading it.
The girl who is rebellious and into Destiny just meet the beerbelly drunk gangster. Shit so far.

>>8702072
>getting this angry at someone else's fetish

>>8701647
So wait, she expects a Chinese dynasty (she said it her self) novel to be filled with strong female characters? Do these feminist even read their own writing?

And it's sexist now if you don't write a main female lead? What the fuck is these people's problems? If you don't like it, don't read it. It's like those cunts who sign petitions so an author has to put more female face time in their novels.

How can you force someone to do something you like. It's like if fat women signed a petition saying that it's sexist because chads are only taking the non bulbous, non mortally obese women... and the petition goes through and chads have to fuck these women with folds of skin having their own folds. Wtf.

>>8702044
>>8701581
Gunlaw by Mark Lawrence is free too

>>8702139
goodreads really needs a dislike / block button for reviews. The top reviews are all flashing gifs, image macros and sjw grandstanding. It's unreadable without a filter

>>8702139
This is the world you allowed to happen

>>8701776
>dinosaur kun, and charts must have blurbs anons team up for a groundbreaking new chart

Go fuck yourself.

>>8702084
>internet tough guy

>>8702153
Half of those books are <25 years old, anti-dinosaur-anon. Also watch your language, this is a blue board. You should be careful or the mods will give you 30 days to rethink your actions.

>>8702139
The Assemblywomen wasn't a comedy.

>>8702139
Sexism isn't a real thing, it was invented by kikes to create a gender conflict.

>>8701647
>*Dialogue* - Problematic
Heh

>>8702172

Is it ever worth reading the books with the ridiculous covers and premises, or are they comparatively bland inside?

>>8702084
You leftist rule nazis are the reason why this site started sucking. GRRM will likely never release another book so are we basically forbidden to talk about that fat old queer now? We already know that the TV series confirm the old theory that Jon Snow is a Targ and that he will end up with Kelly C when she invades Westeros but we can't talk about that either. Auchtung, only recent books released by approved progressive authors that promotes cuckoldry are allowed! Heil Hillary!

>>8702182
Look it up, they were all Jews. Recognising gender differences and structuring society accordingly is the rational thing to do, feminism and other neo-marxist ideologies were introduced to spread dysfunction and instability.

>>8702187
You should read it and let us know

>>8702192
>>8702200
Please tell us more about your racial theories, anon. That sounds like a great read.

>>8702164
Blue board means no porn, my pol shilling non-compatriot, not profanity. Seeing as you have to be 18+ to use this site, some fuck and cunt shouldn't affect you... unless you are also a Christfag.

In which case >>>/his/ >>>/c/hurches this isn't a safe place for you cross tippers

>>8702139
What's also funny is in traditional chinese the women had to walk behind the men in a subservient way.

>>8702213
I'm only dealing in facts, not theories. It's hilarious that millennials think concepts such as racism and sexism are real things when they are modern inventions. Just read some history, anon.

But that's enough for now, I didn't want to go too offtopic, just saying that "sexism" truly belongs to the fantasy thread.

>>8702200
>>8702172

>>8702217
You're a real potty mouth.
>>>/b/
This is the board for the literati, we're above resorting to that kind of language. Go back whence you came.

>>8702225
Racism was always around, it's only the modern people gave it a name. You do know about tribalism right?

Sexism was always around, it's only the modern people gave it a name. You do know about women being considered property to trade right?

>>8702233
Was here (lit) since 2010.
Also... why do I feel that you want to fuck now... no homo. Are you a pretty gril?

>>8702244
I can be a girl for you if you talk about science fiction or fantasy books.

>>8702249
This cute?

>>8702257
I am, unironically, unattracted to that woman.

>unimaginative hair
>ridiculous shoes
>strangely shaped legs
>grotesquely large breasts (imagine her in 30 years)
>thick fingers

She does have a pretty face but that's kind of it, and given make up I don't even know how accurate that is

Also, Starfish fucking rocks. I've heard mixed opinions about the sequels, but it's set up for one so obviously.

>>8702240
You might as well say class struggle and exploitation of the proletariat was always around. It's revisionism and a particular framework through which you look at things.

Women are property in some cultures, yes, but what does that mean? In many cultures slavery was around in different forms. Feminism limits your mode of thinking about these things.

>>8702347
You should try joining Islam

>>8702187
Always anon, but make sure you actually buy them so you can ogle the hilarious covers. Probably not worth downloading.

>>8701776
Dragon's Blood!
Thank you for the chart anon. I've wanted to pick up that slave computer one every time you mention it, but I never remember the name.

I'm a huge fan of Robert Jordans Wheel of Time but have not read anything else by him. Is his Conan books any good? And what about his other novels?

>>8689020

I tried to listen to Fool's Assassin in audiobook format while driving cross country and it turned out that static was actually significantly better and more dynamic entertainment.

Help me out, /sffg/!
I usually don't read much, but maybe I'll fond something I like.
Long as it contains interesting fights, skilled weapon masters and interesting characters I'll probably like it. ASOIAF is good I guess so stuff like that

>>8702667
Go watch anime.

>>8702089
That wasn't me, but thanks for asking. I haven't posted in these threads for a while because they are a shithole of plebiean scum, and avoiding it has made it better.
I haven't read any sff in a while, I'm reading texts to prepare me for jumping into Aquinas, I have around 2-3 more books left.
Studies are not going too well, I'm repeating my year, but if it goes well I'll be back on track.
I saw Swans live and that was fucking amazing.

>>8702679
While I do, a book could be nice as well. And in animu they tend to throw beams at each other instead of actually fighting.

>>8689950
Got ya senpai. I'm actually writing fantasy set in a fictional paleolithic era with stone and bone and wooden tools, with furs instead of clothes, lush, endless wilderness and there's triceratops riders too
It's crazy and I'm actually making characters realistic and intelligent, who make use of the environment, not just ooga booga spear chuckers

>>8693112
It was good but every 100 pages or so he goes into these disconnected chapters where there's LITERALLY just exposition for the sake of exposition and absolutely nothing else.
It talks about war X of land X with X the Third killing Y the Blessed in battle of Z succeding X the Wrathful who dies of disease X which originated from the land of Y under the rule of W which is the long lost heir of king H, the last lord of J who disappeared a long time ago during the V wars against the K blah blah blah

Also lots of homosexuality. Every character in the books are rampant homosexuals, can get annoying.

>>8702754
Is Bakker homo? I can't imagine straight people writing about gay men constantly

>>8702771
lemme find the part I'm stuck right now. It talks for the last 10 pages about homosexuality in the land of whatever and city of whateverpolis and about some kings and shit. Man, I love fantasy politics when you're engaged in it and it happening in front of you, not when you're reading boring ass exposition.

>>8702771
>>8702795
here it is. I literally started this book twice, and I always stopped around this point. Fucking hell man.

"They raised Gerotha, the greatest city of Xerash, in the heart of the plains, and bent their backs to the fields as they had done in humid Nilnamesh.
By the Latter Prophet's time, Xerash was an old and powerful kingdom, demanding and receiving tribute from both Amoteu and Enathpaneah. The Amoti in particular thought the Xerashi an obscene race, a blight upon the land. For the authors of The Tractate, it was a land of innumer‐ able brothels, fratricidal kings, and rampant homosexuality. And though the blood and custom of the Nilnameshi had been thinned into extinction long ago, for the Men of the Tusk "xeratic" still meant "sodomite," and they punished the Fanim of Xerash for the trespasses of others long dead.
The Xerash that the Inrithi wandered through was a place of old and labyrinthine evils. And her people found themselves called to account not once, but twice."

And due to character count limit, I can only post so much, but there's pages upon pages of thick walls of exposition throughout all of his books.

>>8701694
Found it. Ghost Talkers by Mary Robinette Kowal. Looks like Brandon Saunderson and Sherwood Smith both gave it a thumbs up, so it's going on the list.

>>8702800
But that's explaining why a town with a reputation of degenerate boyfuckers get rekt by the crusade?

>>8702820
Sanderson does a podcast with her, so he'd pretty much have to blurb it. Doesn't mean it's not good but still.

>>8702771
Richard Morgan's straight and he wrote a whole trilogy about bumming

>>8702800
Vintage Bakker there with the nonsensical names

>>8702869
Not that anon but Smith's the endorsement I'd care more about

>>8702820
She's a pretty good author from what I've read, veers a bit too much into the regency/victorian period BUT WITH FANTASY stuff that female authors (especially americans) are prone to but she rises above the cliche.

the next OP starter should be encouraged to post a more edifying picture with their post. there is a big world of SFFG-appropriate art out there - john waterhouse, for example.

>>8703035
Just do it yerself, why don'cha?

Man browsing reddit fantasy for ideas of what to read next is awful

There's so many people there shilling either kids books or self-published shite

>>8703099
>meanwhile on r/printsf

>>8703099
reddit is literally just self-shilling: the sight

>>8703119
>>8703119
>>8703119

Say- how entertaining are the LOTR novels, for one who already saw the flicks sometime in his life?

>>8702520
Asking this also too