/lit/ - Literature

>>8678486
no

Just posting to say Miles Cameron is shit.

Carry on.

>>8677978
>How do they write different sorts of characters then and not make them out to be some kind of twisted/evil/insane/unreasonable caricature meant only to pose as a soundboard for their own beliefs?

Hi, I'm not sure if you're familiar with the fantasy genre, but I recommend you read a few of the books before continuing.

Nobody in fantasy writes interesting characters. The good guys are cyphers for the author, and the bad guys are caricatures that represent everything the author doesn't like. Some writers mix things up by giving the bad guys different sexual perversions to hate, but the overall effect is the same: you root for the good guys (assuming your political beliefs are in line with the authors) and they crush and kill the bad guys.

HOW DO I TURN OFF THE HALLOWEEN THEME

>>8678572
You just wait it out.

>>8678568
And yet extremely popular series that /sffg/ loves to hate have morally gray characters that are likable despite being reprehensible.

>>8678580
You only think they're reprehensible because you're an alt-right degenerate who thinks that people of different colors working together is a sign of villainy.

“A Wizard of Earthsea” – Ursula K. Le Guin

This young adult novel follows the story of Ged, a boy born on the island of Gont. He discovers that he has latent magical power which leads to his training as a wizard at the School on Roke Island. Ged as a youth is portrayed as impetuous and prideful with almost no counterbalancing qualities that usually inspire interest in a protagonist. Le Guin early and often foreshadows Ged’s future as a powerful and accomplished wizard. Through a mishap brought on by his ego at the School, he is changed into something of a wallflower who is hesitant to use his power. The rest of the book details his quest to set matters aright.

Throughout the Roke Island chapters, I was struck by how J.K. Rowling had taken this story and retold it far more skillfully, with a focus on the institution of the school. The result is a world bursting with detail. Hogwarts and its environs are vastly more engrossing than Roke Island, which is a watercolor sketch of a mostly uninhabited island that inexplicably hosts a school for wizards.

>The town of Thwil is not large, its high houses huddling close over a few steep narrow streets.
That’s the description of the town surrounding the School.
>In the hot sunlit pastures yellow flowers bloomed. “Sparkweed,” said Jasper. “They grow where the wind dropped the ashes of burning Ilien, when Erreth-Akbe defended the Inward Isles from the Firelord.”
This is Le Guin’s attempt at imbuing Roke with lore and texture. The reference in the text is as stark and disconnected as my quote: the proper nouns are given no other introduction or exposition. This is a common event throughout the narrative.

>The narrow path had opened suddenly onto the edge of a great black lake. Perched atop a high mountain on the other side, its windows sparkling in the starry sky, was a vast castle with many turrets and towers.
There’s nothing spectacular here in Rowling’s initial description of Hogwarts: you or I might have written just as compellingly. However, the ideas leading the reader to this point are the tantalizing bits: the owls bringing letters; the visit from a giant; the shopping trip to Diagon Alley; the train ride from Platform 9-3/4; what new mysteries does Hogwarts contain? In contrast, goatherd Ged has abandoned a laconic wizard and taken a ride on a galley through a gale.

>>8678612

To propel Ged out of his angst-ridden funk after his mishap at school and back into narrative motion, Le Guin has this shaky teen wizard decide to face down an island of dragons. He wins but he doesn’t have to face anything half as dangerous as Tolkien’s Smaug.
>“ Revenge!” he snorted, and the light of his eyes lit the hall from floor to ceiling like scarlet lightning. “Revenge! The King under the Mountain is dead and where are his kin that dare seek revenge? Girion Lord of Dale is dead, and I have eaten his people like a wolf among sheep, and where are his sons’ sons that dare approach me? I kill where I wish and none dare resist. I laid low the warriors of old and their like is not in the world today. Then I was but young and tender. Now I am old and strong, strong, strong, Thief in the Shadows!” he gloated. “My armour is like tenfold shields, my teeth are swords, my claws spears, the shock of my tail a thunderbolt, my wings a hurricane, and my breath death!”

Le Guin’s version:
>When he spoke the dragon’s name it was as if he held the huge being on a fine, thin leash, tightening it on his throat. He could feel the ancient malice and experience of men in the dragon’s gaze that rested on him, he could see the steel talons each as long as a man’s forearm, and the stone-hard hide, and the withering fire that lurked in the dragon’s throat: and yet always the leash tightened, tightened.
>He spoke again: “Yevaud! Swear by your name that you and your sons will never come to the Archipelago.”
>Flames broke suddenly bright and loud from the dragon’s jaws, and he said, “I swear it by my name!”

>>8678566
Do you not like Knights magic dragons n shiieeet

>>8678612
boring book dropped 50 pages in

>>8678615

The character of Ged is generic superhero trash: he has an innate universal power that others do not and cannot have; his friends exist merely to serve him in some capacity. The transformative trauma is a poor disguise for writing the protagonist as an awkward angsty teenager so the comic book audience can more easily picture themselves as Ged. He has no believable qualities other than the willingness to grow his power. The book reads like a fantasy novel for Marxists, with the easy use of power justification for free food, lodging, travel, whatever you like from the poor normies who grovel at your feet: appropriately, the atmosphere is as cozy as a Soviet housing bloc.

>They, however, asked little of him, holding him in awe, partly because he was a wizard from the Isle of the Wise, and partly on account of his silence and his scarred face.
> He went in a rowboat with a couple of young fishermen of Low Torning, who wanted the honor of being his boatmen.
> When at last he came to Serd, the ship’s master of whom he asked passage out to Roke bowed as he answered, “A privilege to me, Lord Wizard, and an honor to my ship!”
> They offered him dinner at the buttery there in the Sea-Guild; a wizard seldom has to ask for his dinner.
> this old man, for fear and wonder of his wizardry, would have given the boat to Ged.
> “Lord Wizard! forgive my temerity, and honor us by accepting of us anything you may need for your voyage . . .”
>[older wizard friend speaking to Ged] “And if you defeat the thing, should there not be another there who will tell of it in the Archipelago, that the Deed may be known and sung? I know I can be of no use to you; yet I think I should go with you.”

The climax of the story comes when Ged comes to grips with his shadow for the second time which results in him becoming whole once more and somehow better for the experience. Ged’s character arc reeks of dead Jewish psychology: some of his attributes are ripped from him and his quest is to reassimilate them into a conscious whole while the therapy group applauds.. Hurray, an empty accomplishment that everyone can attain with no discernible outward effort or improvement.

>”The Hobbit” – J.R.R. Tolkien
>The Harry Potter series – J.K. Rowling
>The Chronicles of Narnia – C.S. Lewis

These are all tales that are more fantastically told while preparing the young reader with useful lessons for reality. Earthsea is Le Guin whispering in your ear, telling you that your mediocrity is really glory that the masses are too dull to comprehend. I wouldn’t recommend this novel or series to anyone.

>>8678592
jesus, do you honestly see what you're typing?

>>8678622
> he has an innate universal power that others do not and cannot have; his friends exist merely to serve him in some capacity.
>whispering in your ear, telling you that your mediocrity is really glory that the masses are too dull to comprehend.
But that's Harry Potter too

>>8678486
Where to start with Philip k Dick?
I was thinking Ubik or A Scanner Darkly maybe...
I've already seen Blade Runner. How much will it spoil Do Androids Dream?

>>8678679
>Where to start with Philip k Dick?
Nowhere
it's shit
Read some David Brin

>>8678625
No, because of the stupid Halloween CSS, but to address your point, all fantasy novels have politically-driven self-inserts as the protagonist characters. The only "morally gray" characters are ones where you don't understand or disagree with the author's political beliefs.

>>8678648

Aright, let's assume for the sake of argument that is the case: Rowling still wrote a much more entertaining novel with the same underlying concepts.

I disagree with your assessment, though. The Potter character does progress through much of the same arc but the friend characters are used to guide and remonstrate with him and ultimately to directly aid him. The Vetch character is a joke:
>don't summon bad things
>welp you summoned it
>hisashiburi desu ne
>I should follow you in case you need someone to compose your epic poem

The Potter series does have trouble defining a workable state of affairs between wizards and muggles but at least Rowling doesn't just designate them as serfs.

>>8678679
It's pretty different. And it depends what you're in the mood for, doesn't really matter what you start with. Ubik is insane. Androids Dream is a bit more normal. Scanner Darkly is his best novel

>>8678691
The Postman?
>>8678715
I'm a big linklater fan so that sounds like a good choice

>>8678612
Le Guin wasn't trying to offer the concentrated escapism Rowling has, counting it against her is retarded.

>>8678622
You are 125% wrong about this but I will delay my response until the skeletons return to their tombs.

>>8678486
>(No, that doesn't mean you should talk about Lovecraft.)
It does mean we should talk about A Night In The Lonesome October.
>Zelazny's last book is a super-chill Halloween Lovecraft Victorian pastiche that combines just about everything that made his books great
>dies at 58
>Le Guin out of nowhere decides not to ever write a good book again
>senilia ongoing after 40 years
Zelazny could still be alive, friends. He could still be alive and writing. Maybe he is, on a nearby shadow world.

>>8678486
>(No, that doesn't mean you should talk about Lovecraft.)
Isn't horror a kind of fantasy?

Is Ted Chiang and George Saunders worth reading ?

>>8678725

>You are 125% wrong about this but I will delay my response until the skeletons return to their tombs.

Fair enough. Thoughtful dissent is always appreciated.

>>8678720

I'm trying very hard not to reduce your comment to:
>hurrdurr Rowling was popular so worse than Earthsea
but you didn't give me much to use in your defense. Can you clarify what you mean?

>>8678744

In some cases, yes. I mostly wanted to have a joke at the expense of the porcine females who dream about Cthulian tentacles stroking the regions they can no longer reach with a washcloth.

>>8678780
>Can you clarify what you mean?
Your posts makes it clear that you think Rowling spending much of her books describing various magical candy Hogwarts has or whatnot makes her series superior, which is nonsense.

>>8678788

Are you saying that superior descriptive and plotting skill are somehow inferior in this special case? Why?

>>8678804
>superior descriptive and plotting skill
Rowling spends more time describing shiny toys for the children who read her books, but she is absolutely not more skillful than Le Guin at writing description. Not even close.

how bad is this?
i got this as a gift from a person i respect, which is about the only thing that keeps me from discarding it with no regrets

>>8678814

I'll admit I'm not well versed in Le Guin; I've read "The Left Hand of Darkness" and now "A Wizard of Earthsea" but her descriptions are, well, nondescript. Barely anything sticks to me from either novel. "Left Hand" had some cities and a Siberian taiga while "Wizard" spent a ton of time on a barely outlined dinghy. Mostly Le Guin seems to spend her time talking about feelings, which had me thinking about what some anon said a few threads back.

Also, how is it somehow a bad thing to write colorfully for the intended market of the book? Are you implying Earthsea is meant for an adult audience?

>>8678834
for YA I thought it was pretty good

certainly an interesting premise

>>8678846
It isn't bad, it's a matter of personal preference. You (and probably the large majority of people) prefer Rowling's style and that's fine, but criticizing Le Guin for having a different style is ridiculous.

>>8678744
Lovecraft is fantasy and horror.

Hey, we have some new skeletons this year, don't we?

>>8678855

Less skill isn't a style. You're claiming she's doing something with less but you aren't providing examples.

>>8678753
>Is Ted Chiang worth reading?
Yes.

>>8678846
Left Hand is her worst good book, I say that here all the time. Sure The Telling is worse but it's worse than everything. City of Illusion, I'm telling you, or at least Dispossessed or Lathe. Left Hand of Darkness was only famous because it was the Ancillary Justice of its day.

Wizard of Earthsea is a very inward-focused story about gaining inner peace. It could have been told as a short story. Not meant to be a tour-de-force. Tombs of Atuan has a little more action if that's your forte. They are not long books.

>>8678753
Ted absolutely yes. And it's short.
Perhaps Ken Liu too.

>>8678753
I've heard Saunders is legit, brimming with negritude without being all muh slavery. Haven't read him yet. I should bump Imaro up the list and report back.

Is this the place to discuss H.P. Lovecraft?

I must say I just started reading his Complete Works and I'm surprised just how much I'm liking it. Really comfy.

>>8679112
I only like his stories that are close to fantasy or sci-fi.

Generally speaking his stories are better the further they are away from New England, so that he can be prevented from sperging out about the Boston skyline. I'm still mad about the ending of Kadath.

Everyone should read Cordwainer Smith's short stories. Weird but beautiful, as I like the idea of space ("the up and out") as somewhere that is going to turn your mind into pulp.

They are to all other SF as Mervyn Peake is to all other fantasy.

There was a fork in the road, we went with Tolkien and Asimov/Heinlein/etc. But we could have gone with Peake and Cordwainer Smith.

Interestingly Peake and Smith both spent a lot of time in China (back when it was cool) and weren't really involved with any other writers they get accidentally bracketed with who were just writing at the same time.

>>8679133
>compared to Peake
so he's boring trash, got it

>>8679112
>>8679121
You should both definitely check out Clark Ashton Smith, It's like Lovecraft snorted several levels of fantasy.

>>8679142
Don't be silly.

I think people that claim Le Guin is going senile are confusing it with her complete lack of real world experience which becomes more evident the more she comments on topics outside of college politics.

Why does he hate Korrasami so much?

>>8679177
>Korrasami

>>8679171
t. 24 year old anon who has worked two jobs and moved once

>>8679228
>24 years old
>still hasn't written his sci-fi novel that takes place on a utopian planet where everyone has adopted your political beliefs, to their great benefit

It's like you don't even want to be featured by the BBC as one of this century's greatest authors.

>>8679228
To be fair even 24 year old anons know that bookstores don't have a infinite amount of space to store unsold books and eventually have replace them with more popular titles.

Le Guin didn't know this at 87.

Have you read any of her interviews?

Anyone here doing NaNoWriMo?
I'm considering writing some short stories, rather than a novel. I don't have nearly enough experience to justify any story longer than a few thousand words.

What are your guys' ideas?

>>8679258
>Have you read any of her interviews?
No
Quote about the bookstores having an infinite amount of space to store her books?

What's the "Jojo's Bizarre Adventure" of SFF?

>>8679262
I can't find it, but she mentions something similar in this blog post: http://bookviewcafe.com/blog/2015/06/01/up-the-amazon/

>Fading BSs must be replaced constantly by fresh ones in order to keep corporate profits up
>then trash and replace

>>8679278
What's the "Boku wa Mari no Naka" of SFF?

>>8679303
Not even joking about Mari, btw. I'm genuinely curious.

>>8679297
Every single point I see in this post is accurate. Amazon essentially monopolises the book market and allows people to post worse than fanfic rubbish as an actual book.

And of course, people will only buy the next new thing and there comes a point where the small proportion of readers in the population has reached saturation point.

Indeed, the only bookstore that will outlast the cycle of artificial scarcity are pirated books which are no different to library books except that they will outlast time and can be distributed infinitely.

>>8679323
>allows people to post worse than fanfic rubbish as an actual book.

What the actual fuck are you smoking, we're in the thread were 90% of /lit/ think that about us... and we think that about pulps, to bad there's no pulp general so they can think that about Penny dreadfuls.

>>8679133
Can't we enjoy them both?

>>8679329
At least try and speak english if you're gonna post on 4chan

>>8678592
I'm pretty sure murdering children is reprehensible to everybody with a soul.

>>8679361
It isn't murder, Its postnatal abortion.

>>8679350
Bullying is not okay, Anon.

>>8679372
Geder pls

>>8679330
Well, I certainly do.

I didn't mean it like that, its just I put off reading his stuff because I saw when it was from and where it was published and wrongly assumed it would be like everything else from that period.

But he was just doing his own thing it turns out.

Interesting man too, invented modern psychological warfare, CIA stuff, advised JFK etc. .

you know what I miss?

>enjoying writing and wanting to do it
>reading things I actually like instead of trash I need to trudge through to bide my time until more books come out

>>8678834
Read a portion of it and find out? It's not like you have to go out of your way to buy it and hope it is good. You already have it so the least you could do is read a couple chapters and make at least a first impression with the book instead of asking this board's judgement

>>8678848
What is YA

What are some interesting fantasy stories that follow a villain?

>>8679788
Young
Adult

>You'll never save SFF because every time you try to work with an idea you realize it's shit and aren't creative enough to work it up

What is some decent introduction books for Science Fiction or Fantasy? Would prefer stand alone books but series are fine.

I'd like to get into the genres but have no clue where to start. I'm pretty new to reading novels in general tbqh

>>8679790
Godspeaker, especially the first book.
Coldfire isn't exclusively villain perspective but the villain is so good
Dagger and Coin is dragged down by the villain getting PoV

>>8679361
Are you saying that baby-eaters don't have souls?

http://lesswrong.com/lw/y5/the_babyeating_aliens_18/

>>8679850
>>8679790
Forgot Black Company, which is really the go to example.

>>8679850
Coldfire is so good. Got the books at random from a used bookstore because I vaguely remembered somebody on here recommended it, and I ended up really enjoying it.

As to Dagger and Coin, I think Abraham is trying to humanize Lord Regent Autismo, but is failing really hard at it. The series would be massively improved if it was just Banker Girl, Mercenary and the young nobleman/his mom.

>>8678513
>not literature

>>8679850
Agreed.
A random anon recommended it and I found it well written and enjoyable.

>>8679870
Geder did nothing wrong and that the entire plot was probably the insane dreamings of his comatose mind.

I don't know anything about Le Guin, except the Lathe Of Heaven is a handsome little book, with good prose, and some Eastern profundity here and there. It's like a less disjointed, more poetic PKD novel.

This book is basically the pussy is too tight. The novel.

Some roastie breeks was trying to sample vagina from told him that her pussy was too tight. So he wrote an entire book dedicated to her pussy, in hopes of loosening it for his entry.

>>8679894
>>8678612
Place your bets.
There's going to be blood, boys.

>>8679901
>expect the book to be as good as the rest of them or at worst Night Angel tier
>instead, it's about Breeks' sex problems
>the only interesting part of the book is essentially Gavin and assassin girl
>too bad Gavin only gets about 1% of the screen time

>>8678622
>>8678615
>>8678612

>>8679917
Just filter them ffs, it's a shitposter forcing us to suffer because he didn't get to write essays in college. With added political trolling!

>>8679917
Thankfully, tripfags are easy to filter

Just reread Year of the Griffin by Diana Wynne Jones
Love that book

Does anyone know what the holography technique in The Wall Of Storms us called? It's described by one of the PoV characters as polishing over depressions on a mirror and then reflecting light off it to project a static hologram

>>8679893
It was chart anon... I was shilling that book for years.

>>8679933
>>8679936
Doesn't that mean you will filter the thread if they make it?

>>8679846
It's cliche and you've already seen the movies, but read LOTR anyway. For sci fi, read Foundation.

What's some good generic Orc/Elves/Dwarves type fantasy

(not LOTR or related)

>>8679902
Well, I can't comment, except to say Donkey is being mischievous. I haven't read any Le Guin outside of Lathe, but I will read The Dispossessed before Christmas, because I have read enough from her to see that she can write well about interesting ideas. Is there layers of philosophical meaning and rereadability in Rowling? I don't know, I've never read Harry Potter, because I was reading Discworld. I never saw the movies either. Although Rowling is a milf whereas Le Guin isn't, but neither will appear on mompov anytime soon.

>>8679940
>Love that book

>ywn attend griffin school

>>8679901
How can he recover from this?

>>8679998
No I just tested it.

Tripcode IGORsW/P/E posted 3 hours ago according to the archives so I used this tripcode as a test subject.

>>8680000
Quads confirm read LOTR.

>>8680022
What am I looking at?

>>8679917
TL:DR version:
Furry who likes donkey dick has shit taste in literature.
Now you know everything about him you can filter without worries.

>>8679901
I could have lived with this if the plot had actually gone anywhere but it was 99% filler

>>8680022
What irked me while reading was the emperor bit. I can't remember reading the prism as akin to an emperor.

>>8678834
There's at least a neat central concept and a memorable villain, so better than most dystopia

>>8679782
Also this; it's not like P. Ness is a hard read

>>8679901
Eh, Gavin was good, the slow reveals of demons and angels compliment what happened in the last book, Teia is great, Kip is finally getting over his insecurities and isn't sperging out as much. It wasn't that bad.
But seriously, by now the "is Kip the lightbringer? Maybe..." schtick has gotten dumb. He has fullfiled all prophecies and is a nine color supercromath. If it turns out he isn't the fucking lightbringer it will be a worse asspull than if he is.

>>8678834
For YA, the Mayor is a memorable and well characterised villain. The first book isn't too memorable but the stakes are upped in the second and the third books.

Ha ha! Time for chart!

I figured that I will possibly have better luck posting this in /sffg/ than as a stand alone thread, so here goes (copied and pasted from a thread I wrote yesterday)

I apologise if my subject seems to be a lot of babble, please let me elaborate.

My other scifi favourites go along the lines of Philip K Dick and Arthur C Clark. I'm also highly appreciative of any other recommendations you may have. I love scifi that makes me question things.

To start, a little about the book, which I highly recommend, I found it incredible. (Skip this part to get straight to my question in post #2, but I thought I'd do my best to interest others in reading this book)

I recently stumbled across pic related and thoroughly enjoyed it. It is set in a time where a massive super computer spans across the world, this computer is extremely intelligent and complex, managing its processes by itself, unmanned. The computer system is responsible for a huge amount of things, farming, collection of power and resources and is even able to perform physical self repair.
The computer also functions like a massive resource for information, almost like a more heavily regulated wikipedia. Information which is gathered by Computer One itself, scientists and other researchers throughout the world is published on here through an agreement which the vast majority of countries and communities abide by. All information is freely available, provided that your country or community has agreed to make all of it's findings available through the system also. If anybody is found to be withholding anything from this database then this results in the whole country being disconnected from access to what is essential the library of all human knowledge. Small and secretive communities have developed who either fear or disagree with a society essentially governed by this uncontrollable force are hidden in underground or highly isolated cities outside of the knowledge or range of Computer One.

The plot revolves around the theory that through the huge amount of data available to Computer One, it's evolutionary nature and it fulfilling the requirements for something to be classified as conscious, that the computer will come to identify humans as a potential threat to it's survival and through means which would affect the survival of humans but not itself (radiation, physical viruses) will attempt to eradicate the human race. The main characters in this book are academics, professors and other specialists. An issue with these characters addressing this theory is that any conferences and talks at Universities or other such meeting places is that Computer One records, transcribes and uploads these meetings to it's databases for itself to analyse and for all others to see - so even if their theories are incorrect, it is paradoxical in that it will then make Computer One aware of this survival strategy for itself.

>>8680091

It's probably gavin/daison. He as darkness personified will bring light to someone in darkness. Probably god after they are blinded.

Kip will probably draft white. Or there will be some little euphemism that we are all lightbringers or some shit.

Fuck breeks for pulling this harry potter last movie, gurm, bakker, locke lamora, etc i.e. making the last boom 2, and not releasing them in sort succession.

I'm sure I have to wait 2-3 years for book 5.

>>8680109
Now, my question;

In this book given that the main characters are professors and such and that a lot of the book revolves around the development of their theory, a lot of conversations go on in between these characters which are based on real-life studies. One of which I found interesting and did further reading on was Konrad Lorenz On Aggression. As somebody who up until a few months ago mostly read non-fiction on philosophy (general, religion, spirituality), science (chaos, quantum, time) and psychology (strong interest in psychedelic drugs relevant to psychology but also science and philosophy) I very much enjoyed the inclusion of real life studies and theories. It fulfilled an aspect of science fiction which I strongly enjoy more than other books have - questioning the logic, philosophies and other implications that these realities/societies present. Whilst typically the science fiction that I read invokes such thoughts and leads me to further reading based on these thoughts, this book actually delivered some of the information which I desired and even gave me thoughts and answers to things I perhaps wouldn't have come to alone.

Does anybody know of other books which would deliver to me as this book has? Or any other sci-fi recommendations based on what I have mentioned here?

I apologise if my structuring or general means of communicating my ideas and questions hasn't been ideal for you. I do highly appreciate any input, I'm thankful for your time. Thanks very much and have a lovely day/evening!

>>8680093

>>8680115
>>8680109
>implying I'm reading that wall

>>8680113
>It's probably gavin/daizen. He as darkness personified will bring light to someone in darkness. Probably god after they are blinded.
I hope the Gavin bullying will eventually end.

>>8680052
>What am I looking at?
A undeservedly book high rating

Who here has red this book? What are your thoughts on it?

>>8680113
But we get the next Bakker book next year m8. That's quick in the publishing world.

It was split by the publisher, not him.

Novels that take place in victorian era?

>>8680243
Great Expectations

>>8679133
I didn't feel pulped by them, they were kind of nice though. There's this layer of sentiment in them that modern authors can't really do right. It's the same thing that Bradbury has.

Oh, and New Wave was the genre trying to go Peake. It didn't actually work out that well for anyone. Sure, we got some nice works out of it, but everything was renivenized right after, and then of course was Terry Brooks and the flood of paperback fantasy that followed. We were never going to get Peaked.

>>8680205
If you like hard sci-fi you'll probably enjoy it (I did).

However, it has all the typical faults of the genre (clunky writing and dull characters), although I think the ideas he explores makes up for it.

>>8680087
>What irked me while reading was the emperor bit. I can't remember reading the prism as akin to an emperor.
He talks about it in the first book

But Gavin is clearly in a political role more akin to that of the English queen today in that one.

Weeks just isn't very good at writing

>>8680243
Night Circus

What you guys think about Tolkien?

>>8678708
How can you genuinely believe this and yet still purport to be a mentally capable human being?

>>8680649
I want to grow up to be as autistic as him

>>8680000
Actually LotR defined high fantasy, and some of the cornerstones became clichés in the numerous attempts to copy Tolkien.

>>8680002
Try Markus Heitz.

>>8680183
I still rated it 4, even if the book was just vagina filler... or the lack thereof.

What breeks has to do is released the next book by this time next year. Like bakker is doing.

>>8680243
Dr strange and Mr norrell

>>8679790
Liveship Trilogy by Robin Hobb, has multiple perspectives but one of the main ones is a villain.

>>8680002
Not really generic, but try cogweaver trilogy. It has gnomes... that is w cousin ro dwarves right?

>>8680243
The Revolutions by Felix Gilman

>>8680002
Specifically orcs, elves and dwarves? If not, Lyonesse by Jack Vance.

I need some comfy fantasy/science fantasy, boys.

http://www.gq.com/story/black-mirror-reading-list

Which of these are worth reading? Only read Lathe

>>8680917
Foundation is comfy in parts.

>>8680205
Hmmm. To quote myself:
While Interesting w/ good flashbacks, weak characters & imperfect translation sadly dont propel this sinocentric ride far.

>>8681010
Black Mirror is awful and you should feel bad.

>>8680183
I rated it as 4, since I literally just torrented my copy.

>>8680109
>>8680115

I may be oversimplifying your posts but to me it seems that you're asking for novels about artificial intelligence. If I were not interpreting,
>Does anybody know of other books which would deliver to me as this book has?
would be impossible to answer as no one else is qualified to claim certain knowledge of how a given book would affect you.

"Neuromancer" is an obvious example of writing that features AI. Iain Banks' Culture series also contain AI although I haven't read enough to know if one novel focuses on the concept more than another--I seem to recall "Consider Phlebas" being mentioned in this thread as having a lot to do with AI manipulation of organic sentients.

If you meant literally another book about Wikipedia becoming self-aware, then I must admit defeat.

>>8680007

>is being mischievous

Not at all. I deliberately compared "A Wizard of Earthsea" to popular fantasy children's works and found it wanting. I have some interest in the subject as I have a young family member who is a reader and gift season is approaching.

As you note, we haven't yet read the same Le Guin books so it would be folly to compare notes on her writing. I may try "The Dispossessed" as well for comparison's sake.

I'm more tempted by China Mieville at the moment. Which should I try, /sffg/? "The Scar"?

>>8680089
>P. Ness
>hard read

So I just had this idea, right. Give me your thoughts on whether this concept is stupid or not.

>Novel is based on earth
>Space travel isn't too advanced
>Interstellar tier space travel
>Aliens are a hot subject in the novel but nobody can figure it out
>End of novel
>Space Travelers go back in time on accident, through a black hole or something
>Reach Earth
>Its extremely long ago, when humans were cavemen
>Maybe even longer ago than that
>Humans realize they're the first aliens
>Do something hugely impactful that shaped earth (Like cause the death of dinosaurs by crashing their ship into earth)

I cant imagine this hasn't been done before

>>8681296
Planet of the Apes?

These fucking wall posters thinking this general is their fucking blog.

Goodreads was made exactly for this reason. You finished a book? Put the review there, your "friends" and followers will comment and you can discuss. Even none friends can come in and discuss(thus gaining new friends).

4chan, and to a degree lit, was not made for walls for text. But for rapid discussion of topics.

You have an idea? Drop it here if you want.
You just finished a book? Go to goodreads.
No one has time to read your dissertations like if you are applying for a phd in the book you read. You even litter it with fucking footnotes and all.

>>8681296

After Earth?

be honest with me /sffg/, how many of you write anime?

>>8681296

>>Do something hugely impactful that shaped earth (Like cause the death of dinosaurs by crashing their ship into earth)

How do you intend to overcome the arguments against changing the course of history? How do you intend to prove that a single ship impact can rival the crater under the Yucatan? How do you intend to convince your coterie of space travelers to nobly commit suicide for this purpose instead of simply flying off to some other star or even pre-colonizing Earth?

>>8681313
Similar, but I think I could get away with it.

>>8681328
That Cant Act Smith movie? Is that the plot?

>>8681332
I write shounen

>>8678717
ignore postman, try glory season or the uplift series. not saying it's the most amazing prose, but definitely great examples of making an interesting journey out of what could otherwise be pretty dry scientific ideas (female cloning/feminism in the absence of men, an oddball space opera explanation of the fermi paradox and the good/bad of directed evolution)

>>8681351

I didn't watch outside of the trailer but it seems incredibly obvious, a lot of sci-fi and fantasy borrow from one another so as long as you make it good I think you can get away with it.

>>8681232
I personally don't like Meiville's storytelling, but I do enjoy his writing. My favorite of his is Kraken, since I'm not too fond of Bas-Lag. Try and find some old school weird fiction/pulp collections, though. Like The King in Yellow!

Also, if you want the weirder side of fantasy in general, check out The Black God's Kiss. It's one of my favorite short stories.

>>8681043
My problem with lack Mirror is that there isn't enough time for the world building. I like the ideas but not much more.

That's why I want to read books dealing with similar themes

>>8681369
that's like the least /lit/rician anime you could write, though

does it include the power of friendship

>>8681394

>but I do enjoy his writing

I've heard it's good, which is why I want to try him. However, I believe that our tastes differ too greatly to agree on a specific Mieville book to try--I don't care for the occult/macabre/weird end of the spectrum very much. From a cursory overview of the titles you mentioned, I would guess the Bas-Lag series is probably more my speed.

I appreciate your suggestions.

>6 months till The Unholy Consult

What are your predictions for the finale lads?

>>8681554
Shits fucked, everyone dies.
Sorweel gets best girl.
Akka suffering increased by tenfold.

Kellhus becomes the no-god

>>8681554

Mimara dies
Achamian dies
Cnaiur dies
Kellhus dies
Sorweel/Serwa and Moenghus Jr die
Crab-boy raises Mimara's twins
Kelmomas rules the twin seas
Kellhus secretly becomes the solitary god

>>8681319
fuck off retard

>>8681562
>>8681585
Does kellhus know dunyain is kill?
Does he even care?
Don't remember that part

>>8680780
Yeah but most of the important fantasy series that were contemporary with or who came after Tolkien had nothing to do with him. His impact on the genre was huge because it gave less talented authors a template to steal from. The other talented authors in the field continued on regardless.

>>8681687

Doesn't know, wouldn't care.

>>8681756
>Yeah but
Where's the disagreement? If you approach Tolkien after having read dozens of fantasy novels and don't look at the publication date of LotR, then you might be disappointed because you may not find a single new idea in there. But at the time of writing these ideas weren't the clichés they've become.

Then there's the awesome world-building, and don't get me started on the languages. LotR is a must-read. Warning someone that LotR has clichés may wrongly put them off.

>>8681530
>I don't care for the occult/macabre/weird
go with The City and the City, my man, please

>>8681859

Alright, excepting further input, I'll read "City & the City" and "The Scar".

Now, does Mieville use a lot of artificial terminology and obsolete words? I ask because I will need to decide to read or listen to his work. For example, I am reading Gene Wolfe and I couldn't possibly manage listening to it as every third noun is either an invented word or the 3rd definition of a Ptolemaic Greek word--even worse, I can't guess which are which.

I'm a Vance man so I don't mind breaking out the dictionary but if Mieville is going to have me doing it every other paragraph, I'm going to have to give him screentime.

>>8681921
read

All "science fiction" and "fantasy" is brainless unimaginative shit. It's not literature. It's just an excuse for retards to do more work to get the same brainfucking they get from watching TV. These genres focus on nothing but a totally meaningless superficial perspective. It can all be fairly reduced to "HAHA WOW MAGIC/LAZERS/SPACE/ELVES MAI FAVORITU".

Lord of the Rings is not "fantasy". "Fantasy" is a hideous bastardization of Lord of the Rings.

/thread

>>8681921
I don't listen to audiobooks, so maybe you should disregard my post entirely.
There are like three or four invented words in City&City, and even though he loves slipping in some "obsolete" words here and there (fucking Brit, what can you say), there aren't many of them either. I think you will be ok with the audiobook.

>>8681962
All "science fiction is gay" and "fantasy is for kids" posters are brainless unimaginative shits. It's not a proper argument. It's just an excuse for retards to do less work to get the same ego-stroking they get from pretending to read "real" literature. These posters focus on nothing but their totally meaningless superficial perspective. It can all be fairly reduced to "HAHA WOW I'VE NEVER READ ANY SF/FANTASY BUT YOU ARE ALL GAY KEK AMIRITE".

These posts are not even shitposts. These posts are a hideous bastardization of shitposts.

/thread

Hi guys, I'm looking for books in English because it's been a long time since I read one in that language. Any recommendations?

Epic Fantasy or Sci-fi genre preferred.
Survival books type like The Martian are also fine.

>>8681963
This; it's written in a very sparse "Noir" style compared to Bas-Lag. The Scar has more, but even then it's mainly just weird English words like "oneiric" and "benthos".

>>8678486
i just finished reading neuromancer today and i loved it.

Are there any more books like this (other than Snow Crash)?

The book was bad but the concept of immersive virtual reality games, or some big video game competition, was pretty cool.

>>8682007
grow up

>>8682007

"Player of Games" - Iain Banks is about a game played to decide the succession of the imperial throne of a space empire.

>>8681394
Connecting comments above ITT, Meiville is a Peake man.
He is also a Cordwainer Smith man (Embassytown is basically a sort of tribute, I think he says so in the preface).

He hasn't quite got the lyricism of Peake or the sentiment of Smith but thats a lot to ask and he tells more complicated stories anyway.

But thats definitely his sub-genre.

>>8682009
This. That book is cancer.

>>8681986
>calls some one unimaginative
>copies their post

>>8682070
>being this new

>>8681687
He doesn't know, but given his thoughts about the dunyain at the end of TTT, he would probably be happy they were destroyed.

>>8682066
Again, the book was shit. I'm looking for something like that but much better. I'm sure it's out there.

>>8682076
>taking pride in retardation

>>8682082
>Posting a bunch of statements & backing them up by a fart
>Expecting anything but equal retardation in response

Where would it be safe to post the first chapter of the fictional fantasy novel I'm working on and receive feedback and constructive critique?

>TFW you realize the idea you've been working on for a year now is animeesque trash that would be forgotten within a month
>and you don't even know how to make it memorable

What are some good books of fairy tales like The Orphan's Tales

>>8682301
I should have specified fairy tales that aren't medieval, so either it has to be colonial era or later, or it needs to be from another region

>>8682301
Deathless by the same author

>>8682377
It's not too dreary is it? I'm always adverse towards Russian fantasy due to perceiving russia as the depressing, grey north.

Was he right /sffg/?

>>8682184
It's fantasy and/or sci-fi, so by default it's animeesque trash. That's not a major problem, as long as you're willing to commit to the 10 novels in the series the publisher wants.

>>8682159

I don't know about safe and constructive but I've seen people upload to pastebin and then post a link with a request for readers.

>>8682424
I just want to create a mythos, but it's not easy without creating characters who show off the magic system (the fact that I have a magic system is what ruins it)

Just finished this. It's not horrible but it's not that entertaining or memorable. It was basically something to read it on the shitter. Does this series get better later or should I jump ship back to Jack Vance?

>>8682464
Nobody wants to read about your mythos. They want to see characters in some kind of plot. Please stop calling what you did over the past year 'work'.

>>8682464
1.) Get up early and write.
2.) Read what you’re trying to write, for Godsakes! (Don’t read enormous fantasy series if you’re trying to write short stories.)
3.) Remember that it is characterizing that puts your story heads and shoulders over the others in the slush pile.
4.) You do not characterize by telling the reader about the character. You do it by showing the character thinking, speaking and acting in a characteristic way. You simply show it and shut up.
5.)Do not start a story unless you have an ending in mind. You can change the story’s ending if you wish, but you should always have a destination.

>>8682422
Feanor was a good boy, dindu nuffin.

>>8682470
First three books are the worst in the series, but it never grows beyond a fun comfy read

>>8681619
Put on your trip Donkey.

>>8682477
>>8682473
good advice

>>8682470
it gets much better later, but the first two are weak. I actually dropped the second one, then came back to it a year later and read the entire series in one summer

>>8682473
fuck, all my characters are ripoffs of characters who made an impression on me

>>8680917
VANCE
AC
NN
CA
ECNAV

>>8682477
This is all very good advice, except I would say that depending on the subgenre it is acceptable to not know the ending right away.

You know I was really fucking enjoying the first third of Perdido Street Station. Then the second third started to get a bit tiresome. By the final chapters I was just trudging through in order to finish it.
But most of all. Fuck that ending.
That was the worst piece of shit ending I've ever read

>>8682509
What are your characters?

>>8680780
I just meant it was a cliche answer, not that LOTR itself was a cliche.

>>8682522
You know, all that said, anyone know any books with a similar world? It was interesting and I'd like to have something equally weird, and dirty to read while I attempt to write something in that vein

>>8682505
>but the first two are weak.
I found the third way worse than the second

I read the second in a day but the third one is a real challenge to get through.

I think the trouble is that Butcher sets up him explaining more shit to the female cop and then promptly ignores it to address the girlfriend hole he's wrote himself into

Is "Roadside Picnic" worth reading in English?

Adam Curtis talks about it a lot as basically defining of our age in his new documentary Hypernormalisation.

>>8682804
Yes but as a rule Curtis shouldn't be given too much attention, he's very good at presentation but his arguments are nonsense only supported by very specific readings of history

hey /sffg/ does this seem to have character potential?

>girl can turn her eyes in the direction of the future and see everyone's timeline
>one night she goes to bed with tomorrow looking boring and wakes up at the witching hour to find her house under attack and her famliy dead
>she goes into hiding as the fortune teller at the circus owned by her savior who claims to be a friend of her father's
>she goes back to her burned down house every day to look into the past and see where things went wrong, struggling to trust her own eyes after seeing a false prophecy
>What she doesn't realize is the man who saved her is secretly an abomination who is blindly altering his future (and everyone else's) every moment and needed her ability to predict the consequences of his own choices

>>8682940
I don't disagree, his documentaries aren't even consistent with each other.
I was just intrigued really.

>>8682978

If the ability failed at the second worst possible time, why would you keep trusting it for anything other than, "What time does UPS deliver on Tuesday?"

Raises some interesting questions. I like it for a short story.

>>8681833
The hobbit is the only Tolkien book to read, anything else is shit.

>>8683030
Nonsense, Tolkien is the only one to reach the heights of actual myth in a field that mainly just rehashd his ideas for the next 40 years

>>8683056
Sure

>>8683056
>hasn't read >100 fantasy novels
pssh...

>>8682007
Tad Williams Otherland.

Larry Niven's Dream Park series, though maybe that's more larping with tech

>>8682470
I liked the earliest ones best, when he's still a detective. The later ones get swamped by world building in my view, but some people like that.

It never is more (and doesn't try to be more) than entertaining genre fiction

>>8683094
>It never is more (and doesn't try to be more) than entertaining genre fiction
This. Dresden is a modern pulp, like Doc Savage or something

>>8683030
man, I hated the hobbit. I read maybe 50% of the way through and none of the dwarves had any characterization, the plot was linear and nonsensical, and generally it was just a lot of hobbits walking and waiting around at a werebear's house

>A score of years after he first walked into the histories of men, Anasurimbor Kellhus rules all the three seas, the first true aspect-emperor in a thousand years. As Kellhus and his Great Ordeal march ever farther into the perilous wastes of the Ancient North, Esmenet finds herself at war with not only the Gods, but her own family as well. Achamian, meanwhile, leads his own ragtag expedition to the legendary ruins of Sauglish, and to a truth he can scarce survive, let alone comprehend. Into this tumult walks the White Luck Warrior, assassin and messiah both, executing a mission as old as the World's making

Who the fuck do these authors hire to write their book descriptions on Amazon? Jesus christ, they make me laugh. And not want to read a single fucking modern fantasy book out there.

>>8680205
the scifi is pretty nice , maybe towards the end it goes into full on bullshit extradimentional shit .
the main problem is that there's one pretty good character and all the rest are boring as fuck.

>>8683132
it may be action-y, but butcher is pretty clever at weaving plot lines and keeping track of every villain's subtle manipulations over the state of the world, and I honestly have learned a few lessons from reading it.

The thing that stands out the most is comment Dresden makes in White Knight about how money is a basically just a stand in for power. I don't think it was his direct intent, but he honestly created the best argument I've seen against the viability of economic communism

I just started reading Gardens of the Moon and Kruppe is totally the Eel of Darujhistan isn't he? Irritating fat shit.

>>8682804
The English translation by Bormashenko is the newer one. It's a good book that gets its hooks into you, because of the oblique way the story is told.

From what I gather, Bormashenko's translation was a hobby, a labor of love, that got picked up by the publishers.

However, the way Adam Curtis talks about Roadside Picnic as emblematic of the way governments deceive us through illusory and contradictory realities is tenuous. It is a minor subtext of the novel at most, gained by a highly active and selective reading - whereas it is an overt preoccupation of any given Philip K Dick novel.

god damn this month's new releases look like crap

>>8683388
awww, no love for poor, unoffensive kruppe?

Do I read or no?

>>8683264
>doesn't want to learn the difference between true and false aspect-emperors
Are you a normie or something?

I didn't like the Fitz books at all but I'm reading Robin Hobb's other stuff and it's all so good.

I'm guessing she actually learnt from the flaws of her first trilogy then. Do the later Fitz books follow this trend and improve?

>>8683574
Interesting opinion. I think most people would say the Fitz books are her best work, including the first trilogy.

Classic DnD inspired literature

>>8679977
Posting your chart that lists a hundred different books isn't shilling any of them.

>>8682037
That's not a good recommendation.
>>8683088
Otherland is.

Have any of you read this shit yet? Ive been gone for a couple years.
Itd be Gene Wolfe level praised around here if it was better known. Shits like reading a painting

>>8683889
nigga if I wanted a painting I'd just go look at one.

>>8680038
>a million different fucking covers and editions and collections
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>8683889
>Itd be Gene Wolfe level praised around here if it was better known.
It'd be Gene Wolfe level praised around here if it were Gene Wolfe level. And if it were SFF.

>>8684005
speaking of our lord and savior Gene Wolfe, any audiobook recommendations for something simialr to Book of the New Sun? I finished the series narrated by Jonathan Davis and he did a fucking fantastic job, and now I want more in-depth single POV SFF that's all sorts of fucked up.

Not Prince of Thorns though, holy shit that was bad.

Speaking of Wolfe, which is better to start with - Shadow of the Torturer or Wizard Knight?

>>8684065
Torturer was boring as heck so go with Wizard Knight I guess.

>>8683650
I-is this real?

>>8683659
I was shilling long, long, before my chart.

What I used to do was take pic related, and tick off the books that would most likely appeal to the requestor from what they said they liked.

>>8683889

>>8684239
what the hell is Lolita doing there?

>>8684228
>Not liking a fight where men throw leaves at each other

>>8683889
Gormenghast is recommended here all the time.

>>8684233
I think its from that "Paperback Paradise" twitter

>>8680115
Blindsight, if you havent read it, is worth the time. It spends a surprisingly low amount of time dealing with AIs, but has sonme very interesting ideas about what constitutes consciousness, life and intelligence. Its also a good book in general

>>8683457
Sure. That's one of his earlier titles. So there's a chance it will have spelling errors. It's up to you if you want to get tingled with his early stuff.

>>8678486
nah

>>8683461
If having taste means being a normie, then yes.

>>8684401
I was on lit for a long, long time.

I was suggested it years ago. Bretty gud book, 4.5/5 stars.

>>8684525
>mfw I can tell he was typing with one hand

>>8684548

Bout to start this. Is it good? What am I in for?

>>8683574
Which other stuff are you reading? Her first two trilogies are generally considered her best.

>>8678691
>reading (((David Brin)))

>>8684712
What's your problem with Brin? The Uplift Series is an all-time great

i am not a liar

>>8684883
>seeing ain't free. The coming of the Lightbringer gotta to be littered with the blood of drafters.
>andross "red wight" Guile is not my leader.
>he is the sock puppet of a slave and probably an unbeliever too.
>Tsis "tight pussy" and not Teia the murderous ok.
>praise orholam

Somebody plz make a kip spurdo

>>8684648
Soldier's Son and Liveship

Redpill me on the powder mage trilogy

>>8684883
Any more sffg spurdos?

>>8681296
>time travel
Instant drop.

>>8685249
There's a LOTR one somewheres.

>>8685155
First book is great, second two are merely good, haven't read the short stories.

Try the Shadow Campaigns series by Django Wexler if you want more Napoleonic-period fantasy.

>>8685155
Starts off promising, the delivery of the third gets jumbled as he tries to wrap everything up.

Still a solid napoleonic fantasy with a good waifu

>>8683394
Thanks mate.

>>8684562
New wave, mainly about the characters and encountering the incomprehensible. Lovecraft meets love triangle, but the prize the men really contend for is death.

If you liked Roadside Picnic or the Kefahuchi Tract it's like a little brother version of that. If haven't read those, and like this even a little you should read them too.

>>8683672
>That's not a good recommendation.
Anon asked for something similiar to an incredibly shitty book. He got an incredibly shitty book as an answer. I'd say that's a pretty good recommendation.

>>8684959
>>8684883
>>8685249
>>8685518
Done. How's it?

>>8686200
It lacks the :DDD and the random capitalization

>>8685249
There's a Witcher one

>>8686200
>>8686223
>>8685249
>>8684883
if we meming

>>8684554
what ethnic japanese homosexual web comic is this from?

>>8686401
the tree of hard sf gotta be watered by classical study and prose skill, poul not pohl ok

>>8684959
where does the tight pussy meme come from? I havn't read BM yet, is it really just about tight pussies?

>>8686518

At least 1/3rd of the book is about kip not being able to have sex

>>8686408
You got a thing for gyaru tomgirls?

Go to sadpanda and search "language:english male:tomgirl male:gyaru" enjoy.

anyone reading twig? I can't tell if it's /lit/ sci-fi or ""deep"" anime.

anyone else hyped for worm 2?

>>8686524
I hated that in the other books, Kip went from being kind of annoying (I know he was supposed to be likable but I can't stand his retarded quips) to insufferable with how autistic he acted around women. Hes like late teens right? no excuse to be that pathetic. I would have gladly read 5 books of just Gavin doing his thing. At least his dialgoue doesn't make me cringe.

>>8686518
There is an author's note at the end talking about deathgrip vaginas. So it has to be he dedicated this shit to that tight pussy he wants to shaft.

I do wonder if Gavin will successfully kill magic in 2 years ;_;

>>8686533
When did you lose your virginity?

As a lvl 26 wizard myself, acting like that around girls is normal. Their presence brings this uncertain feeling over you.

>>8686539
Are you the autistic anon that can't stand to see magic in fantasy books?

>>8686540
19. I'm no ladies man its just really grating that after he's killed hundreds of people he can't handle just talking to an attractive girl.

>>8686545
Those two actions are not related.

>>8686526
thanks senpai.

>>8686542

The opposite, I can't stand to see no magic in fantasy books

>>8686547
That is why you fail

>>8686547
I don't think its realistic for someone to do the things kip has done and still be that pathetic. I know he got abused and shit but hes gone on killing rampages and trained to be part of an elite military unit. How many soldiers come home from iraq and then start blushing and stammering around pretty women?

>>8686565
tons

>>8686565

A lot of them actually, if they were stuttering messes before they will be after too

>>8682037

couldnt stand that faggots prose, tried one of his books, the culture series or some shit.

>>8684005
Oh so I see you plebs haven't read wizard knight or Latro yet either
BotNS isnt sci fi either. Shit, by thst logic Sword Art Online is sci fi

>>8686794
>SFF
>science fiction and fantasy
also
>BotNS
>not science fiction
We knew you hadn't read it, no need to embarrass yourself like that.

>>8686216
>>8686200
Thanks I was thinking if I should. Followed the others more closely.

Now with added full spectrum eyes.

>>8687052
>tfw I'm an /ic/fag and I just got triggered
T-thanks

>>8687052
>upside down quotes
your german is showing, mein freund.

>be authoress
>choose generic male pseudonym
>debut female power fantasy with Vallejo cover art
>encore tiem!
>write eponymous male MC who is a savage (but civilized) rebellious (yet principled) loner (with sense of humor) of deliciously mixed race that stands up to "the man" and gets exiled to wilderness planet
>constantly drop kilt to amaze indigenous peoples with strangely non-retractable genitalia
>have way (respectfully) with all the "empowered" lizard women (ovipostion is way better than pregnancy btw)
>mfw

>>8687063
How so?

>>8687064
Full English fag actually... like I said I followed the previous spurdos.

Mainly >>8686223... but if you said it's german quotes that would make sense.

>>8687310
It's just a comment on the full pinwheel colours, don't take it seriously.

For book 5 of Lightbringer how pissed would you guys be if Gavin died and Andross survived and forever became known as the good guy?

>>8687762
Not mad at all, Andross is a good character

The arc anon was wrong, he said there would be white luxin, I didn't see any.

>>8687762
Pretty pissed if Kip also went, and he was left to lie and take credit. We already know he would blame an accident that benefits him on orholem, instead of someone trying to kill him.

>>8687801
You probably loved byaz in first law trilogy.

>>8687939

Kip can draft white

>>8687943
Is white chi?
so kip is the one to make the new knife? Will his hatred come from grinwoody, karis, or his "grandfather" sending teia to become a heartless killer?

What in the book was about a blood mirror?
Book one's title makes more sense now(I thought the black was used because he was a killer)
Book two's title was self explanatory.
So was book three's title.

What was in book 4 that corresponds to it's title?

>>8687957

Nah, chi is not white, but Kip can draft every color, though I'm not sure about black, but he can definitely draft white.
He might be the one to make the new knife, in fact he would be the only one who could do that.

I'm pretty sure we will find out about the title in the last book, but there was a mirror used in the third book though, right? Maybe something to do with that

>>8687957
>>8687962

I wonder if Kip and Gavin will come together and draft a combination of black+white, it seems likely considering their unique abilities

>>8687969
Yeah this is the most likely I think.
That being said, I hope that Gavin recovers his prismatic abilities and drafts both black + white/

He drafted white once last book and the black djinn or whatever it was was trying to make white seem nonexistent which highly suggests that Gavin can still do both. Moreover, the voice that said 'wait' I think is Orloham and how the hell did Gavin survive the bread poison if white somehow wasn't involved?

>>8687939
I think the first law trilogy is the most forgettable series I've ever read. The only character I can remember is Glokta.

>>8687978
Maybe not orholem. Remember when one side interferes, the other side is also allowed to interfere.

>>8687990
I'm sure you remembered byaz with the ending of book 3. He will be forever burnt into your consciousness.

>>8687994
How many sides are there?

>>8687996
I honestly don't

>>8687978

I just realized, given how much black he drafted, I think it's very likely that black and white are out of balance, I wonder what effects this has had

>>8687996
Bayaz was just a manipulative bastard/chessmaster type, amusing but not particularly clever or memorable, a purely dime by the dozen character. He also does some genuinely stupid things and his book time is essentially assholery, assholery and more assholery.

I agree with the other anon, I'll remember Glokta but not Bayaz or the other characters.

I'm glad that it seems Breeks decided to give Andross more characterisation than massive asshole in TBM. I hope that in book 5 he does something genuinely good rather than 5 books of assholery. He'll probably disappoint me again, but worth a try.

>>8687994
And by how many sides I kinda mean the Prophet sideplot in TBE hasn't been fully resolved.

>>8688002
>once upon a time, White Drafters regularly came to be
My theory is that all Black Drafters could also draft white which is why the Dead Man was so keen on getting him to forget about making white luxin seem nonexistent.

Right now, we have two black drafters. Gavin. The Colour Prince, who is now ironically calling himself the White King despite being a black drafter.

Dead man is stuck in a fucking wall so he can't be talking to TCP which is why I think that TCP is running on his own agenda. Or maybe actual Gavin's or Abbadon's.

Given that Gavin didn't kill Andross I sincerely hope that he didn't break his White drafting ability, but if the Dead Man has appeared maybe he's already tipped over into Black Wight territory even if he hasn't 'broken the halo'. Speaking of colour wights, Andross spent some time as a red one so I'm guessing that not all wights hear the djinns, maybe only the most promising ones. Maybe it's a case of the immortals only being able to visit one time period at once? Reminds me of the Blinovitch Limitation Effect.

I really fucking doubt that draining all of his colours except black was the best idea, maybe the other colours would act as a counterpoint to black. But now, he's lost it man.

>>8688035

>Breeks said in an interview he really hates hates hates filler books
>Made a filler book himself

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