/lit/ - Literature

Bob Dylan saving literature.

>>8629079

good odds he won't show up or even acknowledge it ever.

When Bob won it, an insuffarle amount of people who adore him claimed they didn't give a fuck. "I don't give shit about a pretentious prize, makes all the same to me. It's about the rock, man. And he's the greatest, dude".

Yet these same people are so stuck up their own asshole about what is "quality music" and what is not. For years they've scoffed at other musicians who simply don't live up to Dylan.

Yes you do care and you can harldy control yourself but you have to because if you show any emotion you won't look cool.

that is actually funny

>>8629079
thank god he's self-aware

>>8629079
They should've given it to Bladee

>>8629177
>insuffarle

>>8629177
If you think Bob Dylan is the pinnacle of music you not a nigga to take srs

>>8629079
Not surprising at all. Bob Dylan is the last person who would give a shit about being awarded a Nobel.

Well, Dylan DID play guitar for the first time in years the night the award was announced, so that's something of a reaction, but really, Dylan's not one to care. He didn't talk with Obama when he got the Presidential Medal of Freedom

>>8629177
>other musicians who simply don't live up to Dylan
?
>Yet these same people are so stuck up their own asshole about what is "quality music" and what is not.
You weren't still talking about Dylan fans, were you? Some mix-up here?

>>8629405
He's right you know. Don't mix up correlation with causation. People who tend to think of themselves as erudite in whichever matter they like - in this case being music - tend to get a little elitist and separatist wrt what is 'good' or 'bad'.
Usually the criteria is as such - 'If I like it it's good, if not it's crap'.
The thing with these people is that it's hard for them to keep a standard and they get regarded as whining little pseudo pricks because they do not yet realize that the inherent value of a piece of media - if the is any - is not in your personal understanding of it.
It's not so much that Dylan fans specifically are like this, instead it's people who fetishize content creators/artists w/e and turn the whole thing into a parable of the 'I bet my daddy could beat up your daddy' so they can get some sort of external identity approval of themselves as individuals.

>>8629552
>the inherent value of a piece of media - if the is any - is not in your personal understanding of it.
What could it possibly be then?

>>8629552
But music elitists couldn't possibly like Dylan
I think you're shitting out strawmen here

>>8629596
>music elitists couldn't possibly like Dylan
wut

>>8629605
When has anyone with an interest in music liked the "three chords and sing-along" folk guitar type

>>8629578
Aesthetics.

>>8629552
They may be pseudo pricks, but you're a real prick

>>8629662
That's still going by your personal understanding of the aesthetics.

>>8629611
It's like you've only ever listened to two Dylan songs

>>8629680
Maybe four, sure. Why would I listen to more, I don't especially like his lyrics

>>8629611
>more chords in a song means it's good

>>8629704
There's some truth to reasoning like that. I've only read about four of your posts but I don't want to read more because I don't especially like your shitposting

>>8629611
Considering he plagiarizes half of his songs from other folk singers (and then claims its part of the folk culture), your argument is dead on arrival.

>>8629752
>(and then claims its part of the folk culture)
It objectively is.

>>8629729
At most you could consider "three chords probably means it's bad" to be implied, which doesn't lead to your interpretation in any logical manner

>>8629748
And yet you're still going to read this one

>>8629611
A conservative estimate would be from the 60s and onward.

Dylan is among rock's most accomplished artist, you guys need to stop acting so cool. He's borderline Beefheart level, considering his entire discography.

>>8629862
>you guys need to stop acting so cool
kek let me find you a pic of Bob Dylan posing with a cigarette

>>8629862
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>>8629752
>plagiarizing folk

I know you wanted to show how much of a cultured dawg you are but you've only managed to show you know shit about folk music. In it's very essence, folk music is communal, to be shared and changed and altered whenever culture feels it needs to.

>>8629841
You might be confusing people interested in music with people interested in how much cooler their get-together becomes with a bongo player in the background

>>8629897
That's not him tbqh
Also, 63-67 Dylan was the definition of cool.

>>8629885
Bobby can act cool, I don't mind.

>>8629900
*its

>>8629915
No.

>>8629841
Lel you're obviously completely unfamiliar with the entire punk/hardcore scene. Tons of elitists, tons of great music, and tons of simple chord progressions.

>>8630023
>punk/hardcore scene
>tons of great music

>>8630023
The punk/hardcore scene started before the 60s?

>>8629927
>That's not him
>instead of going with It Ain't He

>>8629578
I couldn't tell you because it's difficult to answer and it's always different depending on who you ask. It could be measured trough a lot of parameters as social relevance, artistic relevance, impact and relevance in modern social discourses etc. but these are all shifting things that not hold their meaning trough History's continuos discourse. The values that our Zeitgeist holds in it's from line will change as the previous values did and so on so it's very hard to boil it down to a simple statement.
>>8629596
>But music elitists couldn't possibly like Dylan
How so? Because the nature of what you think of as an elitist is not compatible with what you hold Dylan's music or message to be?
When I say elitists I mean people who cynically disapprove of the work of others and the people who enjoy it because it doesn't meet the standards of what the cynic thinks is 'good'. It differs from criticism in the way you don't have room for constructive discussion between parties. This is common behaviour to everyone to an extent regardless of being a fan of X or Y
>>8629672
Very constructive Michael

>>8629611
Wtf son, music nerds love Bob

>>8630172
Loving Bob don't mean thinking his composition and playing are worth a dime

>>8630202
Dylan could compose.

>>8629552
>the inherent value of a piece of media - if the is any - is not in your personal understanding of it.
I've never seen a music elitist argue the value of something other than the broader concept of music against other mediums.
Artistic quality and the value of art are two different things even if they're (arguably) proportional

>>8630087
>people who cynically disapprove of the work of others and the people who enjoy it because it doesn't meet the standards of what the cynic thinks is 'good'
There are measures of objectivity in any medium though.
It's like the guy the other day that was trying to argue My Twisted World, some things don't require or aren't worth actual discussion because they fail to meet basic measures of quality.
You even touched on this yourself with
>the inherent value of a piece of media - if the is any - is not in your personal understanding of it.

>>8629862
oh god you're THAT guy

>>8630319
Oh, my, GOD.

I will actually think of listening to his music if he doesn't accept the prize, no bullshit.

>>8629611
sometime in february 1973 there was a memo sent out to all people with an interest in music for the whole group not to be homogeneous anymore, so there was some variety in what they liked. some grew to like three-chord-sing-along now that they essentially had permission to

they thought it was weird too since so many composers in the 19th century appropriated folk music into their works and for some reason they couldn't treat popular/folk the same way. but that's all a thing of the past now

Folk Dylan>>>>>Rock Dylan

this is a fact.

>>8630697
Bringing It All Back Home is his best album though

>>8629752
>Considering he plagiarizes half of his songs from other folk singers
You don't know what folk is, shut up.

>>8629079
Lmao. All thar outrage from all those nobody authors and Bob doesn't even care about the dumb award.

My sides are stuck in Mobile.

>>8629888
eggman?

>>8629897
>measures
>/lit/ can't shut up about Rimbaud's boipussy
>when Dylan goes for the same look /lit/ calls him out for trying to look cool

>>8630789
Rimbaud was effortlessly cool, which is why he impresses intellectuals and pseuds. Dylan tried very hard to make people think he was cool, which is why he only impresses pseuds.

>>8630714
>it's okay because plagiarism is part of the art man
Let me guess, you also listen to hip hop? Low IQ pop music fans shouldn't be allowed to leave their containment board

>>8630821
Even Rimbaud's biographers admit he was trying his hardest to look like a poet.

>>8630172
Exactly, music "nerds".