/lit/ - Literature

>outer /lit/

Stop this meme

>outer /lit/

Saddle in boys looks like we got a shit thread ahead of us.

>>8621401
The last couple ones were chill and nice so we were due for a shitty thread I guess.

Bought "Lord Foul's Bane" recently, but I didn't realise the scope of the Thomas Covenant series so I'm settling in for a long haul, I guess.

I'm in the mood for something new and In Siege of Daylight sounds intriguing.

>>8621401
>Saddle in

https://www.goodreads.com/series/189931-remembrance-of-earth-s-past

>>8621401
The last 4 threads were complete bullshit and the plebs have truly taken over.

>>8621402
>>8621441
Which is it (note, it cannot be both).

I recently read A Canticle for Leibowitz, but felt it was rather underwhelming. The amount of latin was also frustrating. Was there really no point beyond don't let history repeat itself?

Next up is Roadside Picnic. I've been feeling the post-apocalyptic vibe lately. It's good stuff.

>>8621447
Plebs like it because it's endless discussion of trash.

>>8621450
The point was that the Catholic Church will carry on when everyone else fucks up because it is a divine organisation.

Give me some sort of interesting concept with Dwarves

>>8621494
Deep Sounding.

>>8621497

Has anyone written a Dwarven horror themed book about them exploring an endless Parisian like catacomb? If not then I'll get too it.

>>8621494
a dwarf with a femdom fetish sets off from his home city to find the land of 8ft amazon elves

>>8621503
You know what? I have not actually heard of that. And when I was younger I read a lot of Dwarf-centric fantasy literature. You might be on to something anon.

>>8621510

I think a mesh of fantasy/horror is going to be the next big thing in fantasy literature. The genres seem like they'd work incredibly well blended together.

I don't understand all you Bakker haters.
Yes, there's a lot of purple prose, one too many "Death came swirling down", and there are some pretty direct rip-offs here and there, but there's also a lot of good stuff, such as the vivid descriptions of sorcery and Consult horrors.
Don't tell me Bashrags don't make your skin tingle.

>>8621537
Purple prose isn't a very good description of how fucking awful his writing is. It reads like something a 14 year old wrote while trying to channel his inner dialectic materialism for a naruto fan fiction.

What is something that is easy to read but still follows some deeper themes, or anything more than just a cookie cutter story (as in, not Sanderson)?

>>8621503
Yes. but it's not a book. Dungeon Meshi is that, but light(ish) on the horror with a focus on cooking and eating the monsters that live there.

So I want to try some tf (transformation, kinda like animorph) stories, either fantasy or sci-fi is fine, which one should I read?

>>8621784
Just watch anime

>>8621427

>No Goldenhand audiobook

>>8621503
>>8621510
>no book about Dwarves exploring in a mine/catacomb
>a fucking movie is coming out though

>>8621537
>whale-mothers

>>8621947
I have it bookmarked in my tracker, waiting for blood mirror to come out to bulk download.

>>8621537
>>8621541
His prose isn't great.

What I like is that he goes full grimdark and doesn't give a shit. Never tries to break the mood with shitty humor like Kruppe, but goes full gay rape and incest without apologizing.

It's refreshing.

>>8622079
The consult is just such an enjoyable enemy. Like, they actually feel as horrifying as they're made out to be.

>>8622077
>being poor

>>8622079

I tried to read "The Darkness that Comes Before", but felt like I didn't understand shit and eventually dropped it. I very rarely drop books. What did I do wrong?

>>8622094
Darkness is easily the worst book in the series and is almost complete world building. I'd just be a bit more patient with it, if you want to try again.

>reading serialized space opera
>so far has just been adventures of MC and his 3-man crew which include himself, his mentor, and their qt navigator
>can already tell he's about to go solo or join a new crew, effectively ending the other characters' run in the series
>was more attached to them than the MC
Fuck everything, I was actually enjoying this too

>>8621798
>watching anime
>fucking ever
Manga is completely acceptable, however

>>8622149
Which series?

>>8622094
I'm one of the Bakker shitposters I guess, and I struggled with the first two books. I dropped the series at book two before someone convinced me to go back to it.

Book three is where it takes off and goes into "what the fuck" territory.

>>8622218

>Book three is where it takes off and goes into "what the fuck" territory.

In a good way? Sort of grinding out two whole books before it un-shits itself is asking a lot. I had to drop Wheel of Time after book 7 since the grind was too much. There are many books to read!

>>8622234
I think book 2 is one of the best books in the series, so I guess it depends more on your tastes. Book one is the only one where there's a concensus on it being worse than other books

I finished Mistborn while ago. I really liked the setting and the magic system, characters and story so-so. Are the sequels (Alloy of Law etc.) worth reading?

>>8622234
>In a good way?

In a bloody, horrific, and insane way, yeah. The series is definitely unique in how utterly fucked up all of the characters are.

Yes, even Kellhus. Especially Kellhus.

>Book 2 still hasn't been dispatched
Fucking bookdepository

>>8622094
There's a lot of name dropping in the first book that takes a while to sink in.

>>8622332

I'm a sucker for grimdark shit. I wanted to like it, but I remember just feeling confused as hell.

>>8622347

... maybe that's why I was confused. Perhaps I'll give it another go.

>>8622079
>Never tries to break the mood with shitty humor like Kruppe
Kruppe, and others like him, are the only reason I can get through Malazan. I guess I'm just not much for grimdark.

>>8622391
Really? I thought Malazan's humor killed the tension. You can't go from grimdark to wacky in two pages.

I think the only joke Bakker ever made was in book four when Achamian meets Kosoter, Cleric, and Sarl for the first time since it was a lampoon on the classic D&D adventuring party (wizard, fighter, cleric, and thief) meeting in a tavern to start a quest.

>>8622449
>Really? I thought Malazan's humor killed the tension.
That's the point. Malazan has plenty of tension, but I can't read 900 pages of that without burning out. POVs are sorter in the later books, but Chain of Dogs had long stretches of despair/grimdark/whatever.

>>8622449
Lol, I didn't even realize that.

Three-Body Problem is really good.

>>8621784
The Tiger and The Wolf by Adrian Tchaikosky. Fantasy, a pre iron age setting where every tribe has the ability to shapeshift into their animal totem.

I read Echopraxia. Blindsight and Echopraxia are kinda whack desu. I just don't like Peter Watts' prose I think. Also what is with his god damn fetish with vampires?

>Blindsight, Chapter 2
>The terrifying vampire Jukka terrifyingly stared at me, baring his teeth. These foul primal predators could freeze us in place with a glance. The razor sharp teeth glinted in the clinical white light of the ship

>Blindsight, Chapter 3
>The spookyfying spooky vampire Jukka Sarasti growled at me. I stood frozen in place, flashbacks of humanities primal existence on the plains of the sarrenghetti being hunted by the infinitely smarter and sexier vampire race saturated every neuron in my brain which is also inferior in every way to the superior vampire brain

The same shit literally every chapter. Shut the fuck up Watts, Jesus

And then the same exact shit in Echopraxia too

>The 5D brains of the superior untermensch vampire race coordinated in real time with its peer vampires without any communication, reprogramming their human handler brains to seize when seeing a crucifix

Durr durr durr every fucking god damn chapter

Also Echopraxia was lame. Here I thought we were going to find out so much more about the only good thing about the first book (the aliens) and we get nothing but grey goop thats now reprogramming/redesigning humanity or something to erase consciousness?

This dude and his vampire and consciousness ideas man. It isn't put in front of you subtly in apple-pie form with a knife and a fork and a cold glass of milk. Its a cream pie launched at your face from a fucking cannon.

So is Black Company any good?

I'm normally pretty prejudiced against science-fiction, but I really liked Vance's The Dying Earth. Wasn't a reddit r/WritingPrompts high-concept exercise, or a plot-heavy page-turner thing. It had it's own alien linguistic weirdness without calling things 'The Forsaken' or other semi-autistic Wheel of Time stuff. Any similar weird dream worlds? Preferably in short story form?

>>8622698
The Buried Giant

>>8622698
Lyonesse

>>8622700
>>8622756
Both seem promising, thanks.

>>8622698
5th Head of Cerberus by Gene Wolfe. 3 interwoven novellas, about 70 pages each.
Book of the New Sun if you don't mind an 800 page epic.
Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser if you want honest adventure stories, they are some of the best ones around.

>>8622698
>without calling things 'The Forsaken' or other semi-autistic Wheel of Time stuff.

I find it exceedingly funny that you take issue with "The Forsaken" while completely ignoring shit like DARFRIENDS. DARK. FRIENDS.

>>8622666
Are those his actual lines or are you memeing?

>>8622780
please stop and read new books...

>>8622784
I'm reading new books right now. But I hardly think Imitation of Christ and History of Philosophy Volume II are recommendations that work for someone asking for things similar to Jack Vance. In fact, no author is closer to Vance than those two.
Now instead of spending your hours reading trash fantasy, how about picking up something that doesn't rot your brain? At least for once?

>>8622793
>Imitation of Christ and History of Philosophy Volume II
oh wow that's really coo.... zZz

What are the best books set in worlds inspired by ancient Greece, Rome or Mesopotamia? Or just ancient as opposed to medieval.

>>8621450
>>8621458
It's about the endurance of the Church, but also human nature and the futility of trying to perfect a fallen world

>>8622805

>Being so ADHD you shit talk good books only because they don't have le cool explosions and anime swordfights

Boy I sure wonder what country you could possibly be from.

>>8622815
The Soldier Series by Gene Wolfe

>>8622823
>good books
The only thing they're good for is providing sleep aid.

>>8622666
>juuka
Are they Finnish?

>>8622698
The Hugo award winning novella Nightwings by Robert Silverberg, set on another dying Earth, combines new and old technology like Book Of The New Sun.

>>8622782
I'm memeing you retard

>>8622837
Idunno, one of their names was "Jukka Sarasti". The other was just known as Valerie.

>>8622698
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying_Earth_%28subgenre%29

>>8622815
Till We Have Faces.

>>8622679
I liked the books of the North and South, the glittering stone shit got a bit dull

>>8622964
Bakker is actually liked here, there's no reason why that couldn't be actually in the book. The standards for science fiction and fantasy are so low it wouldn't even be surprising.

>>8622650
>suggesting the black and gold empire guy

>>8622698
Iron Dragon's Daughter

>>8622780
Hello dino, my old friend.

Where were you for the past month or two?

>>8622815
Red rising

>>8622449
>You can't go from grimdark to wacky in two pages.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bavyy5APflg
"I keep offering 'em cigarettes, water..."

Can't find Aniara anywhere except for resale on Amazon. Do you guys know where else to cop it?

>>8623247
It's okay, but only within the constraints of the young adult genre.
A little too many cliches. Uninteresting main character. In my opinion.

>>8621274
>What did you read recently?
i dont know

Why is Dune so fucking highly regarded?

>>8623371
Because it's one of the best and earliest examples of good Scifi worldbuilding that a lot of popular franchises (e.g. Warhammer 40,000) pull things from.

>>8623292
Nevermind, found a PDF.

Any books with revolutions and uprisings?

>>8623511
Powder Mage by Brian McClellan starts off with most of the nobility in a fantasy kingdom getting sent to the guillotine.

The second Shadow Campaigns book (Shadow Throne) by Django Wexler has a similar style uprising, with a storming of the Bastille and all that.

The first Black Company books deal with the so-named mercenary company fighting against rebels.

It's not fantasy but Blackcollars by Timothy Zahn is a fun series about enhanced human ninjas battling against the alien invaders who conquered humanity.

>>8623240
All these pseuds are heathens take it slow..,
Wait for them to offer you Gene Wolfe...,
Please don't make any sudden moves...,
The dinoposter will blow a fuse..,

>>8622309
I thought it was a massive drop off. Far more YA-ish in tone. Give Elantris and Warbreaker a chance. For non-Sanderson similar style magic systems there's the Lightbringer series and the first few books of The Sum of All Men.

>>8623563
>It's not fantasy but Blackcollars by Timothy Zahn is a fun series about enhanced human ninjas battling against the alien invaders who conquered humanity
This better not be a meme

>>8623591
Timothy Zahn is a meme just like Alan Dean Foster. They're both incredibly fun though.

>>8623511
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>>8622303

It's a Surprise

>>8622077

Privilege

>>8623511
Any book released in the last 20 years, they always, ALWAYS, progress to some down with the monarchy, in with democracy.

The writers have gotten so heavy fisted that they even have the nobles themselves looking to usher in democracy.

You think Prince William would give up his nobility? Pfftt. The Queen can dissolve parliament anytime too, so it's not even a real democracy.

90% of pic related is revolution shit, and to be quite honest I'm getting sick of read about that shit.
That is why anti-hero grimdark books are the future.

Conquering to make your life better, and not those of your fellow people. Fuck the small guy toppling empires. The greeks and Romans did it to death.
Need new shit.

>>8623732
I think John Barnes' Jak Jinnaka trilogy was in the last 20 years. In its future democracy is mostly a joke, there's one big country that practices it and everyone acknowledges it only kind-of works there because of all the shady underhanded dealings going on.

And there's Red Rising, where "demokracy" is just some stupid philosophy that gets everyone killed. The main character doesn't even try to set up a better system, he just looks out for his own, which is a pretty accurate worldview for someone who's never ever been exposed to the Brotherhood of Man doctrine.

>>8623673
You can private too.
I got into demon years ago. When feds doxed it, I went to /t/ and saw a torrent tracker thread.

Ppl were asking for what.cd and a bunch of others. After lurking a while I saw that mouse was best for books, posted my pre fed demon ratio. Got an invite, private since.

>>8623732
You have a poor understanding of Greek or Roman history if you think their Empires were entirely selfish

>>8621274
What did you read recently?
Ray Bradbury - The illustrated man. It was pretty good. I needed something different after reading 1984.
Did you like it?
Yes. It was good. The story about white people coming to mars was a bit off to me but I can't place the reason why I didn't like it.
Was it GRI Approved?
No. No grapes, rapeseeds or incense.
Would you recommend it?
Yes. It's a good short story collection.

>>8623511
Iron Council is literally the Russian Revolution with golems and train engineers

I just read this, glad to see Trudi Canavan worked out her feminist angst issues and is back to writing compelling characters and settings. I don't think Millenium's Rule is as strong as the Black Magician trilogy though, the third book would really have to blow me away to revise that.

>>8622469
For Coltaine

>>8622469
>>8624091
You guys are making me want to reread Malazan for the first time in like 5 years, and I had resolved never to dig back into that swamp of lore.

>>8623591
Nope.

>>8623761

>Ratio: 1.63 Up: 3.81 TB Down: 2.34 TB

Too bad I'm at uni and can only seed during summers right now

When is it gonna hit the public trackers?

>>8624209
Don't know. Check audiobook bay.

>>8624246

I did.
It's not on any public ones right now, I hope it will come soon though

question: is this enough mythical creatures for a beastiary?

>thunderbirds
>rats-in-the-walls
>hell hounds
>bakeneko
>catdogs
>radgin
>orthrus
>chemical elementals
>pixies
>nekomata
>rat kings
>naga
>weeping angels (might be mixed up with gorgons for copyright reasons)
>sewer drakes
>seraphim
>basilisks

>>8624185
It's the fucking phantom (great movie) in space.

>>8623565
I love 21 test pilots too

Damn guess I've gotta go back and take another crack at this doorstopper.
http://variety.com/2016/film/news/grace-of-kings-movies-dmg-ken-liu-1201889095/
>DMG Entertainment has nabbed worldwide film and licensing rights to “The Grace of Kings,” with an eye toward turning the fantasy series into a franchise, Variety has learned exclusively.

>The company is fast-tracking production and has tapped Michael Ross (“Fallen”) to write the screenplay. The deal is not only for “The Grace of Kings” but for its two upcoming sequels. The book was the debut of Ken Liu and focused on two men, one a bandit and the other the son of deposed duke, who rise up against a cruel emperor. Later, their alliance cracks and they find themselves fighting over how best to run society. It is the first volume in what Liu has called “The Dandelion Dynasty” series. Liu has described the genre as “silk punk,” by which he means it’s a blend of science-fiction and fantasy that integrates elements of classical East Asian antiquity. That should help the film play well in China and the United States, or so the thinking goes.

>>8624264
>That should help the film play well in China and the United States, or so the thinking goes.
Maybe they should stop scratching their heads about genre and focus on getting talented directors and writers together with experienced crews and actors with chemistry.
>maybe THIS genre will let our by-the-numbers script, deadfish glorified cutscene make Star Wars bucks

>>8624264
Holy shit! They're making a movie?

I've almost finished the Wall of Storms. I am hyped

>>8621278
what are you quoting

I always notice at the beginning of general threads people comment as if they are mid conversation and I get so confused.

Sorry for sounding like a complete fucking newfag. I try not to ask questions but this is getting irritating

>>8621274
What is a good fantasy/story set in the medieval times that has to do with fighting against the church.

Like the church is some scary political power doing some stuff and MC for whatever reason is pursued or is pursuing the church to end the corruption

>>8624380
>not lurking more

>>8621784
Ovid, mang.
Really though, there are lists if you know where to look. Of course, there are always werewolf books if you're okay with the monotony. If all you're interested in is the tf itself, there are far better places to look than a bookstore.

>>8624389
*tips*
Name of the Rose, my enlightened friend.

>>8624389
A Magic of Twilight maybe? I found it to be mediocre though.

>>8624389
"Heresy" by S.J. Parris, but I think it's more a historical mystery/intrigue without fantasy elements.

>>8624405
Also this

>>8624405
lol didn't realize how much of a fedorafag that made me sound. I just honestly like the concept because a corrupt theocracy seems even spookier than a normal corrupt political system. You aren't just questioning the officials but you are questioning God in the people's eyes

>>8624400
cmon help me out here

>>8624424

lurk moar fgt

>>8624250
bump

>>8624419
too bad The Dark Forest isn't great

>>8624405
I get that it's a meme, but the fact that suggesting the Catholic Church is corrupt is always met with mockery is a little unsettling, regardless.

Anyway, is there any SFF with a similar feel to Borges?

>>8624380
>>8624424
He's making fun of the OP image for including that "outer /lit/" (as opposed to "inner" /sffg/) meme

>>8624433
if you're looking for things that are detestably boring, try A Wrinkle In Time

>>8624433
Merely a response to the suggestion that organized religion is always corrupt, friend.

>>8624435
Are you saying that it's similar to Borges but more dull, or are you saying that Borges is boring?

>>8624440
Well, obviously not ALWAYS, but you can't deny it happens (and seemingly more so recently).

>>8624435
A Wrinkle in Time is pretty good. Nice childhood memories. I can still remember how I pictured the witch explaining wormholes. Has anyone read more L'Engle? I haven't gotten into them but they seem they'd be rewarding.

>>8624470
Just as churches in fiction not always being laughably telegraphed as corrupt before the big reveal if not revealed as corrupt from the start does not always happen, but...

>>8624456
the latter.

granted, I haven't read enough borges to tell, but I tried reading what was supposed to be his best work and gave up 15 pages into him bitching about a smug /lit/tard who sucks at writing. If that's his best, I don't want to waste my time with his worst

>>8624475
Speaking as a guy who's fascinated by physics, I have nothing but disgust for that book. L'Engle had some good ideas, but she had no idea who to write something remotely entertaining.

Ironically my writing is ending up following in her footsteps, which is a pretty goddamn bad sign that my self-loathing is metastasizing

>>8624488
Eh, I was enchanted by it enough to read two of the sequels. They were all a bit slow and a bit too dependent, I think, on the mid-20th-century zeitgeist, but as children's noggin-knockers they're just fine.

just finished this for the second time, easily one of my favorite books this year. it's light on wordcount but it shuttles the mind quite a distance. takes it cues from conceptual physics, star trek, and good ol' contemplative abstraction. highly recommended, especially because copies are cheap online because who the fuck buys poetry?

>>8624475
>Just as churches in fiction not always being laughably telegraphed as corrupt before the big reveal if not revealed as corrupt from the start does not always happen, but...
True, but there's a risk of thinking, because certain authors make these laughable portrayals, that ANY work criticizing the church is laughable by association (the way you'll see fedora.jpg posted in any Nietzsche or Bertrand Russell thread). It doesn't sound like >>8624389
was asking solely out of edginess.

>>8624389
Riyria, mistborn, thousand names, warded man(kinda), promise of blood (kinda).

>>8624509
Yes. We seek the middle ground by memeing away extreme points.

>>8622064
That's an oversimplification of what the other poster said.

>>8624291
Not exactly, a company has purchased the film rights and now has to find investors and a director and shop a script around to studios.

>>8624488
What exactly did you read of Borges? Give Ficciones a try. All the stories are short, and anything but dull.
Please my dude, I'm trying hard not to be triggered right now :^{

>>8624389
The Instrumentalities of the Night series by Glen Cook has the Not-Catholic Church/various factions of it as the main antagonists early on, (it's been a while since I read it so some of this may be incorrect) the main character is a soldier from a Not Islamic state sent by Saladin to spy as a mercenary, but he ends up involved in far greater things after he uses a cannon to blow up a demon and meets a wizard, and a good portion of the plot revolves around the not-Cathar heresy being able to resist the Church's attempt to crush it and there's a minor plot about a anti-pope.

>>8622666
Nice trips, unfortunate that a pleb should get them but so is life sometimes.

>>8624569
I think it was the aleph? Honestly the damn thing was a excessive monotony I could have done without. Granted, I'm by nature dismissive of high literature (which borges seems to be, even though I never heard of him before I came here), becuase I find jibe-justified elitism completely revolting on several different physical and metaphysical levels. True literary depth is not capable of being an excuse for having the literary flavor of those little white crackers with the burnt bubbles all over them, because anything that seeks smugness over entertainment value is no different from jerking off into a brandy snifter at the country club. If only Joyce reallized it

>>8622543
Have you read any of the sequels? what did you think of them?

What are you reading this Halloween /sffg/? Is it spooky? Would you recommend it?

>>8624961
Some stories from Innocents Abroad are very spooky, especially Tree is my Hat.
The rest are mostly very comfy and a few actually fit "the season", which isn't Halloween, but All Saints Day.

>>8624596
This is the face of true plebeian scum of reddit.

>>8624596
The bastion against e/lit/istim that this general sorely needs.

>>8624596
10/10 post

>>8622183
is was a manga actually

>>8625251
doesn't change anything pls tell

>>8624433
>Anyway, is there any SFF with a similar feel to Borges?
Stanislav Lem's A Perfect Vacuum is a collection of reviews of fictional books, most of which explore philosophical science fiction themes. I would give it 4/5 labyrinth-knife fights.

>>8625294
Planetes, go read it right this instant anon-kun

>>8624433
Wolfe of course, Borges was a big influence on him. Chesterton wrote a lot of metaphysical thrillers, Man who was Thursday should be a great read.

I don't get most anti-bakker complaints....Who reads fantasy for the prose? that's the stupidest thing ever. Fantasy is about cool shit happening and it's about emotions. You have dragons wrecking shit, friendship, love, honor, duty etc.

It's for many people that are bored with the current world and want to look back at the past and romanticize it. Nostalgia is the defining feature of fantasy. These days you might fuck a slut, get a promotion, buy a nice car...but that's as good as it gets. In fantasy novels everything is "better" in a way. It's more simple and honest. You don't have scheming politicians,boredom and apathy. Things are simpler. The evil king is evil, the good hero is good and so on...

"grimdark" ( it's a stupid name) or Dark fantasy arose as a response to that. The writers wanted to keep alive the nostalgia of "better times" but wanted it to be more relevant to today. It's the difference between going to a historic village ( standard fantasy) and hearing stories about how people lived in the past OR going into the past 500 years. The same village is full of shit, it smells, the peasants slave away for the local lord and so on...it sucks but it's "real" and honest.

This is the whole point of what Bakker is trying to do. His world is honest. You don't need to ask yourself why the "dark lord" didn't rape,kill, torture etc because they do these horrible things. Evil here is truly Evil, not pg 13 evil...

As for the prose, it's written in a way that respects your intelligence. The first time I have read the first trilogy and was kinda "meh" towards it(this was years ago, when I didn't have much experience reading books, I started but a few years ago). Only the second time I was blown away. I have changed much between these readings, read philosophy, became more mature etc so I could appreciate it more.

I also realized, and this is the most important thing about Bakker's work, that you need to read this shit slowly. You can't just go trough it while jogging or on a bike.

So this is my Bakker PRO tip, it will drastically increase the chances of you liking this: READ IT SLOWLY! After each chapter you should STOP. If there's something you don't know read it again, make an effort to understand what's happening. Treat it like a detective novel where you are the detective. Make up theories, try to understand what's happenign and what the deeper meaning is.

If you are the type of person who enjoys this, you will love Bakker. If you are used to "lights reads" that his books and prose will make no sense to you...

>>8622449
Bakker joke:


Then, as though massacre possessed its own momentum, the Holy War’s occupation of Shigek degenerated into wanton carnage, though for what reason, no one knew. Perhaps it was the rumours of poisoned dates and pomegranates. Perhaps bloodshed simply begat more bloodshed. Perhaps their faith’s certainty was as terrifying as it was beautiful. What could be more true than destroying the false?


Word of the Inrithi atrocities spread among the Shigeki. Before the altar and in the streets the Priests of Fane claimed that the Solitary God punished them for welcoming the idolaters. The Shigeki began barricading themselves in their great, domed tabernacles. With their wives and children they gathered wailing on the soft carpets, crying out their sins, begging the God for forgiveness. The thunder of battering rams at the gates would be their only answer. Then the rush of iron-eyed swordsmen.


Every tabernacle across the North Bank witnessed a massacre. The Men of the Tusk hacked the screaming penitents into silence, then they kicked over the tripods, smashed the altars, tore the tapestries from the walls and the kneeling rugs from the floors. Anything carrying the taint of Fanimry they heaved into colossal fires. Beneath monstrous towers of smoke, dogs ate the heaped dead and licked blood from the broad steps.


None suffered more horribly than the Fanic priests. At night, the Inrithi used them for drunken sport, slicing open their bellies, leading them like mules by their own entrails. Some were blinded, some strangled, some were forced to watch their wives and daughters raped. Others were flayed alive. A great many were burned as witches.


In red-walled Nagogris, the maddened Men of the Tusk actually began slaughtering one another. Almost as soon as the Holy War had arrived at the city gates, the Shigeki governors remaining in the city sent emissaries to Ikurei Conphas, offering to surrender to the Empire in exchange for Imperial protection. Conphas immediately dispatched General Numemarius and a strong cohort of Kidruhil cavalry. Through some fatal mistake, however, the gates were thrown open to a large force of Thunyeri, who promptly began massacring and plundering the city. The Kidruhil attempted to intervene, and pitched battles broke out in the streets. When General Numemarius finally met with Yalgrota Sranchammer under flag of truce, the giant brained him.

>>8625409
I used to love Bakker but this post made me hate him.

Alright guys recommend me some stuff with scumbag protagonists, anti-heroes and shit

no preference outside of that

>>8625419
Same
>>8625409
You're trying too hard scott

I read This Immortal by Roger Zelazny yesterday. It was boring and extremely pretentious. I don't care if a guy is 400 years old, people don't spout poetry in the middle of conversations while they're running away from mutant cannibals. Characters were thin, world building was half-assed at best. Best thing I could say about it is that the alien society was somewhat interesting.

>>8625409
Bakker and his fans are a joke, this is one of the dumbest posts I've seen here, and stupid is the standard.
It's like you people only read Tolkien clones and than suddenly discover someone is for the 60th time 'subverting' him.

>>8625470
I thought it was okay. Not great and importantly short enough not to get on my nerves.

>>8623511
Selected Works of Mao Tse-Tung

What went right?

>>8625419
>>8625437
>>8625471
Could you iddiots make any counterpoint ? You literally igbored every word and just said im wrong...thats pretty pathetic honestly

>>8625574
More like what went wrong.

5 years later (almost 6) still no The Winds of Winter.

>>8625614
You aren't worth a counter point, counter points are for those who are capable of understanding them.
The same reason why I don't argue with 6 year olds.

>>8625614
And for the record, I have pretty much read most important/popular sff books. These days I don't know what more to read.... I cant find a good" top list "recomandation anywhere. I come here, go to reddit, the asoiaf lit forums and many more. I have pretty much read everything... even after all of that Bakker is one of my favorite writers

>>8625626
Do you honestly think a 6 year old could write like I did ? You are lazy. Its ok to disagree with me, its ok to think of me as an idiot...But what you are doing is typical internet dehumanizing. You think someone who has a certain opinnion must be so damn retarded it isnt even worth it to engage with him...like I said, you are ignorant and lazy. You want to be superrior but cant put in the work to refute my points...must be nice living such a life,being always the smartest in the room...

>>8625627
>And for the record, I have pretty much read most important/popular sff books.
:^)
>These days I don't know what more to read....
How about Downbelow Station? All I know about your tastes is that you like Bakker, but Imma recommend you this anyway.

Just finished Howard's Conan. Should I try the rest?

>>8625409
This is definitely a meme post, but honestly, I kind of agree with the general point.
Bakker haters are being erratic, hating Bakker is becoming a meme of its own and people are jumping on the bandwagon without analyzing their own behavior.
That is of course not to say that his books are some kind of masterpieces. Most of the good stuff has been ripped off from Tolkien and Frank Herbert, but there are still some original ideas in there.

>>8625679
Probably not, most of everything else is pretty terrible.

>>8625644
Yes, honestly, it's on the level of a naruto loving child who is sperging on tumblr how it is actually deep.

>>8625696
Oh well I'll have to find something else I guess. Howard sure knew how to write fun stories though

>>8625574
>5 books and more on the way
>only three are any good
Nothing.

>>8625849
>more on the way

I fucking wish.

Winds Of Never when

Anyone ever read the serrano legacy? My wife bought it for me but it's long as fuck and sounds kinda stupid. Not aure if i should start it.

Why are prominent female characters never ugly in SFF? They are 99% of the time gorgeous or, when the author wants to "subvert tropes" they are "average." Their "unremarkably average" looks are always commented on and in the end they get chad/the MC anyways so it makes no difference. Them being average looking has no impact on the plot or theme, its just something the author can brag about later to score feminist points. Even the tom boys turn out to be good looking when they "clean up" for the right man. Seriously, we need more ugly woman representation. Am I the only one who feels this way?

>>8625899
When I jack off to literary scenes, I don't want to imagine a hideous man

>>8625899
Yes you are.

Ugly chicks are supposed to self-insert as the boofitul guuurl heroine.

>>8625899

boys like to read about strong men to self-insert and beautiful girls to imagine as their love interest

girls, surprisingly, like to read about strong men to imagine as their love interest and beautiful girls to self-insert...

what do you want of wish fulfilling genre fiction?

>>8625899
Are there prominent male characters that are hideously ugly and never get a beautiful female love interest? This doesn't seem like a problem limited to female characters.

recommend me some vaginal fantasy

>>8625911
>>8625942
A hopelessly ugly woman who never gets a man is something interesting to me. Sure it isn't wish fulfillment but sometimes you want something different

>female protagonists

>>8625958
don't read crappy genre fiction then

>>8625990
>First person where the narrator is a borderline side character

>>8625679
Move on to the next of Howard's stuff.

Solomon Kane is killer.

>>8626114
>first person where the narrator is the main character

>worldbuilding amounts to calling these people darkeyes and those people lighteyes and calling that some mcguffin a Shardblade and one of the gods a Stormfather

>>8625948
Literal heavy petting?
Part of me was repelled. I'd never considered bestiality before, not even while in heat. Another part of my being held me still beneath his hands, pretending that I was dreaming. Who would know?

>>8626142
Makes more sense with the pic.

>>8626141
>Sanderson managed to get published but not you

Storm it.

>>8626157
stop

>>8626157
Not only published. He got a 2 mill advance for Stormlight

>>8626167
>Bakker got published
>Rothfuss got published
>All you do is shitpost on /lit/

>>8625574
>>8625849
GRRM published five novels and a bunch of shorter works before A Game of Thrones in 1996, they were generally well-received including two Hugo awards and maybe a couple of nominations. He has been writing published SFF since the early 70s and has been a recognized talent since at least the late 70s.

When he started ASOIAF it created a sensation because A Game of Thrones was both good (remember the main point of comparison would have been to Wheel of Time) and because insiders/fans "knew" that GRRM was an experienced author with a solid track record taking it up to the next level. Then GRRM got bored/complacent, and ASOIAF petered out.

>>8626183
The best move is not writing fantasy at all.

>>8626190
>and ASOIAF petered out

i hope you mean in quality alone

>>8626183
but i'm the next Tolkien, my worldbuilding is marvelous and my concept is legitimately unique

it's just not finished yet

>>8626183
>Terry Goodkind got published
It honestly can't be that hard to get published.

>>8624720
Not yet but I plan to.

Hello /sffg/, newcomer here.

I was suggested to read Dune by you guys, and I have to say it's pretty good. I feel the sci-fi portion of it is lacking a bit at times, but otherwise it is a really good read.

Any other suggestions for a sci-fi newbie?

>>8626328
Philip K. Dick and Ursula le Guin are pretty good and are easy to get into.

>>8626183
>Implying my high fantasy story that takes place in a civilization on par with our modern society with exquisite world building, magic systems, and themes pertaining to religion, myth, and reproduction won't be a novel talked about until the sun burns out

>>8626357
>high fantasy
>setting isn't still in the middle ages

Instant reject.

>>8626357
>implying I am not already writing a high fantasy modern setting story with more interesting themes and better writing

>>8626183
>You'll spend your entire life practicing writing and will probably end up on par with Rothfuss if you're lucky

>>8626400

>>8625645
I have read probably 90% of her work. Really like it. Now I'm reading "the stone man" which is science fiction. Not the best, but honestly I don't know what to read anymore...

>>8625693
I don't know what a "meme post " is...anyway, I have read Dune ( and it's sequels) and I have also read Tolkien. For me it's like a recipe. Sure, those books have the ingredients, and at the time they where amazing, but it's hard, almost impossible to write something timeless.

The Dunyain have similar elements to the Mentat, but manage to be much cooler and interesting. Bakker goes all in and doesn't care if you don't keep up, that's something I respect.

For fucks sake, he starts his novel with a guy rapping a child. The second scene is with Kellhus leaving Ishual. As a first time reader it's damn confusing and stupid. You see kellhus literally break down because he was used to order and causality in his life. He stares at some fish for hours, stops because a stick gets lodged in his sandals,doesn't eat anything while he turns into an animal with only "Shimeh" ( his destination) in his mind. All that changes when he sees a reflection in a river...

anyway, I admit it's damn weird. And many people here can't get passed that. I don't know what philosophers said this, but someone made the point that you need to invest in a book to get a reward. Sometimes the investment is only time, with Bakker ( and other books like Malazan or Wolfe) you need to invest some processing power...that's why many people in general hate him...They are not willing to give him a chance.

>>8626420
>For fucks sake, he starts his novel with a guy rapping a child.
That's both childish, stupid, cheap and edgy.

>>8625421
Cugel the Clever

>>8625421
Cugel stories from Dying Earth
Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser
Conan

>>8625861
No. But you can give us commentary so we can learn about the book.

>>8622336
I hope they'll hire a better translator for the next volumes, or people will stop buying them and we'll never get 7-10. They are already lowering the frequency of releases, with only two volumes slated for 2017 and one (so far) for 2018.

I read some w40k books does this count?

dead men walking

>>8626706
I've been meaning to try one of the 40k novels.

Is Dead Men Walking a good place to start?

>if the writing is good, the worldbuilding sucks because the author is too patrician to waste his time on something so petty
>if the worldbuilding is good, the writing sucks, because the author is autistically overindulgent when it comes to creating the world
WHY CAN'T I HAVE BOTH?

>>8626833
It sounds like you need to read Memory, Sorrow and Thorn

Upon rereading, Blindsight remains the best scifi work I have read to date.

There is a Strugatsky brothers (Roadside Picnic, Hard To Be a God) novel recently back in print. Has anybody read it? It seems a random choice of book to republish. I also note this is an Andrew Bromfield translation, whereas the previous two Strugatsky SF Masterworks novels were translated by Bormashenko.

>turn page
>author introduces a Christfag character

>>8627035
Religion was a mistake.

>>8627035
>frogposter complaining about Christians
Maybe you'll realize that all ideologies and religions (including muh secular humanism) are meta-viruses someday, you filthy fucking millenial idiot.

Will this cunt ever release the conclusion of the kingkiller series?

>>8627035
>protagonist is a beta, awkward with women, unathletic and/or disabled man who serves as a thinly veiled authorial self-insert, and who also tends to quip sarcastically as a self-defensive mechanism to hide his insecurities (in addition to doing so thrice every chapter in italicized thoughts to zing the purposefully retarded secondary characters set up to make him look good)

>>8625618
Where's the one of him bouncing naked on a trampoline?

>>8626114
That's the best kind

>>8626442
If it's just a random rape, sure. However there's more to that...You and others can't look deeper because you are too triggered.

Bit unrelated but does anyone here read on a Kindle, or digitally in general? Is it worth it?

>>8627035
You only say that because you've never read the Golden Queen series.

The christfag is the bear

>>8627249
I do. because I don't buy books

>>8627249
I just use read my ebooks in the browser with amazon's cloud reader web app. Don't really see the point in buying a dedicated e-book reader.

>>8627249
You can steal any book, buy and book instantly from anywhere and carry any number of books with you for the same mass as one.

>>8627262
In bed, on the bus, on the can, in your tent, at the beach, lying on your back...a laptop is not always so convenient. I'm hoping Surface Pro 5 is a bit lighter or just better as a tablet so I don't need two devices.

>>8627165
I'm 3/4 through the second book and having fun.
It is cringe inducing in many aspects, especially the prose. The MC is so mary sue some anime writers could learn from him. Still, somehow, I'm enjoying this.

what is wrong with me

anyone here read the Warcraft novels?
I know the lore pretty well from just playing the game and reading Wowwiki articles when I was young and bored, always wanted to read them all in High School

>>8627167
>Act 1
>MC is awkward, unattractive, and misunderstood, but smart and snarky
>MC discovers the heart of the misunderstanding is his previously unknown incredible gift
>MC enters a whirlwind of an adventure of discovering his gift as people are suddenly after him
>MC defeats some minor foes with his gift but doesn’t know how
>MV (Male Villain) is introduced, an ass for no reason, is a jock, and good looking
>MV has control over seductress Female Villain (FV) The FV is shown not totally responsible for being a villain

>Act 2
>First confrontation with MV who wants gift to be a bigger asshole, MC escapes
>FV sent to seduce MC
>MC has the greatest moral victory of all time, he turns down a hot woman with dark hair, and large breasts
>FV found MC sincerity and respect for women attractive but must obey the MV
>FV killed by MV since she failed and MV captures MC, relishes being an asshole, brags about it, and has sex with hot slave women in celebration

>Act 3
>MC escapes with the help of a spunky, quirky, FR (Female Rogue) who doesn’t realize how pretty she really is
>FR helps MC unlock his gift but is better at everything else than the MC and is more intelligent and wise. Effectively the FR has no flaws
>FR beds MC unexpectedly and loves MC for his snark, mid-level intelligence, and ignores his stupidly childish antics, weird personality, and total lack of friends
>FR and MC team up to beat MV
>MC discovers in the final battle that his gift allows him to be powerful as the gods but he’s magnanimous about how he uses it
>MC tells the FR a stupid joke at the end, she rolls her eyes, and kisses him

Anybody here read the Hyperion Canthos?
Loved them, would really appreciate a rec.

>>8627334
No, don't think anyone's heard of them.

>>8627328
No but I once read a Dragonlance book by Richard A. Knaak. Pretty sure the only reason he keeps getting hired is because "Knaak" sounds like a made-up fantasy name.

>>8627334
People talk about them in every thread.

Maybe if you say what you like about it people could give you a rec.

>>8627339
>>8627342
Oh, really? Kind of a newfag to these generals, only lurked through a few threads, didn't see any mention of them. My bad.

I mostly liked the Odyssey-like journey through all the planets in the second half and the broad allusions and references to mythologies and poets.

Have read much of Vance and Wolfe already, I know they are similar in some ways. Thanks.

>>8627353
I realize the things I liked are pretty nebulous, but the parts that stuck in my mind might be too specific to be useful for a rec - Shrike, lethal ftl travel, sea of grass etc.

>>8627353
If you like classical allusions you might like John C. Wright. His SF is a lot harder, no tree ships, but he still manages to make it poetic, especially the scene in Architect of Aeons where the alien explains that every single astronomical event in this galaxy is the product of war or industry. He pulls names, ideas, and vocabulary from Iliad down to A. E. Van Vogt, and manages to make his books feel pulpy and intellectual at the same time. He doesn't include ridiculous purple sex scenes, though, so that might disappoint you.

>>8627375
Would The Golden Age be a good place to start?

>>8626213
Wizards First Law is actually pretty good. After that sunk cost fallacy and bile fascination kept people buying the series. I myself endured seven books, including the chicken appearance, before I managed to stop.

>>8627375
fuck, I erased those sex scenes from my memory, guess I just idealised Simmons because of how much I liked the books

>>8627380
How many times had Kahlan been (near) raped at that point ?

>>8627375
>read Orphans of Chaos
>feel as if John C. Wright's sweaty fat body is pressed up right against me, his warm ogre breath in my ear as he describes in detail how he likes to tie up high school girls and spank them until they cum

>>8627375
Homer's Odyssey ought to be on the sffg's lists because it is largely a fantasy story, and writers crib from it all of the time, even, whenever there is a sex goddess, an island paradise, a humble herdsman, vengeful gods, magic, or sea monsters.

There is a well-regarded prose novelisation so there is no excuse.

>>8627414
>Reading classical garbage instead of the new hip modern texts

>>8627414

>>8627329
Literally like all my favorite animes

Just finished bingeing the entire Mercy Thompson series on audiobook. between 0/5 and 5/5 I give it a 5/5 because it made me listen to all the books.

I'm running out of UF books to waste time with I think without lowering my standards.

>>8627414
desu the Greeks are pleb and their tropes are trite

start with the Sumerians

>>8627440
UF is all about lowering standards.

What have you read so far?

>>8627390
Iunno, most of the thing has fallen off my brain. I only really remember that the actual sword and the old man wizard were pretty cool.

>>8627455
Meant for >>8627389
Dunno how that happened.

/dpt/, I'm trying to write a beastiary, but it's not turning out well.

I'm torn about whether to depict them as scholarly records of native american legend to just describe them as if they exist. On top of that, many of them are modified versions of pre-existing creatures, leaving me unsure whether or not to call them what they're based on or to give them new names

>>8627378
Yes, it's the tightest of his works in my opinion. You liked Hyperion so you should be able to handle a flurry of unfamiliar terms and concepts.

>>8627449
Off the top of my head Dresden Files, Iron Druid, Pax Arcana, Demon Accords, The Hollows, The Mortal Instruments (pls no bully), Midnight Riot/Pete Grant, Alex Verus, Monster Hunter International, Savannah Witches, Secret Histories/Eddie Drood, and Raven King Chronicles.

>>8627436
>anime
>romantic resolution

>>8627440
>audiobook

>>8627469
only at the last episode

>>8627478
I have a short attention span that is enabled by audiobooks. I can post on 4chan and listen at the same time like I'm doing now. Or listen while shopping.

>>8627440
>Paw print tattoo over vagina
>Large dog on the cover
Hmmm

>>8627465
Oh, you posted earlier, right? Probably a blend of names like in real life, with the less-used one in subscript under the entry title. Fake scholarship is a lot of work, too, it might be best to describe them as if they exist first and then fill out the other conceit if you change your mind.

Have a few of my fantasy creatures:
>Domesticated eusocial hummingbirds
>"Muscle spiders," actually a large, aggressive land octopus
>Gunner crabs, they hide from danger but snap spikes at you if cornered
>leaf-eating giant salamander in a sloth niche
>clown armadillo, brightly colored and rolls in a ball; nobody's messed with it, so it might be a bluff
>some kind of terrestrial hydroid, haven't given it much work
>predatory gliding mammal that surrounds prey on the ground in the canopy, then descends on a signal to attack
>some kind of eusocial insect that has workers dedicated to communication dances and nothing else, some form of cognition may be taking place

>>8627481
You mean the "buy the LNs" cliffhanger episode?

>Mark Twain sex scene
>George Custer Sex Scene
>Theodore Roosevelt Sex Scene
Turtledove pls stop doing this

>>8627468
Not Sookie Stackhouse? Not Fred the Vampire Accountant? Get on my level.

Give Night Watch a try.

>>8627485
Looks like its time to masturbate

>>8627497
>Turtledove
>changing his formula
>ever

>normies can't grasp the absolute.

No wonder you don't like bakker. How does Sanderson's dick taste like ?

>>8627514
*unsheathes shardblade then goes into ironstance*

What was that?

>>8627485
Really revs up the old grey matter.

>>8627485
You could be onto something here.

>>8627512
>That part where the pov character goes to the Hawaiian brothel in Great War American Front

>>8627486
That's good adivce. a lot of the creatures and their names have been changed. I'm trying to keep a certain internal autistic order to the actual species but individual details change

I'm still worried about my interpretation of gorgons, who are kind of mixed up with the weeping angels from doctor who: able to turn themselves as well as others to stone, moving only when unobserved and then turing you to stone with a touch

>>8627578
You mentioned Native American lore; are you familiar with Patricia C. Wrede's Frontier Magic trilogy? It's this really comfy story of a chick growing up on a magical American frontier, and there's always some weird new animal they come across that they have to figure out. The second book had a lizard that cast a defensive petrification spell.

>>8627590
oh, a horned snake? I haven't heard of it. I might check it out after I finish The Wall Of Storms

>>8627569
does that algorithm just base everything on the presence of skin tones?

>>8627440
god that series looks so bad. After being ashamed for reading Vlad Taltos and Iron Druid Iron Druid, I've decided the only urban fantasy series worth reading is Dresden, if only because I loved it before I began to develop taste

>>8626420
>Not the best, but honestly I don't know what to read anymore...
I know I shill this all the time, but you might not have read it.

>>8627609
I know but its actually alright.

>>8627623
I it's GRI you want here is another odd book. I didn't like it much, but if gay herm twincest pedophila is what you didn't know you always wanted...

>>8627654
I'm listening...

>>8627645
Maybe I shouldn't dismiss it without trying it. My biggest grip against /lit/ and 4chan in general is elitist. I'd be a hypocrite if I dismissed it off the bat for being an urban fantasy/paranormal romance

>>8627658
I found an in depth treatment of the text here: https://turmarion.wordpress.com/2011/08/14/a-double-shadow-part-i/

Plot summary:
The ostensible narrative follows two couples involved in a “status war”—a sort of aesthetic competition for prestige (more on that later). The couples are an incestuous pair of siblings, one a female (Cleopatra) and the other a hermaphrodite, the appropriately-named Narcissus (though hermaphroditic, Narcissus is mainly referred to as “he” in the novel, and is portrayed as being predominantly masculine at most times); and a more conventional husband and wife pair, Michael and Snow. Narcissus, perceiving a casual remark between Michael and Snow as an insult to his sister-lover Cleopatra, challenges the other couple to a status war. The playing-out of this is the material of the novel.

>tfw wrote a semi-serious literary attempt of a fantasy book as my first novel
>while writing it I decide I want to write a more contemporary book (ie not SFF)
>tfw writing it now and all I want to write is another fantasy book

sucks

>>8625899
In Cibola Burn the protagonist scientist girl is never described physically beyond her traits (brown hair etc) and those lead to an image of a small, mousy girl. Despite her raging lady-boner for the main character, all she ever gets from him is a polite 'haha no thanks I already have a qt girlfriend' so she ends up with a beta secondary character

>>8626420
>a guy rapping a child

>>8627719
link?

Anyone have a digital copy of Invention of Morel? Been looking for that shit for ages.

>>8627744
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBnqnh682AQ
>a child rapping a guy

>>8627756
to my book?

>>8625899
Hermione is actually supposed to be pretty ugly early on, with her only canon traits being frizzy hair and buck teeth (though she shrunk those in book 4). I imagine Brienne of Tarth was too although I haven't read the books.

Generally speaking, writers avoid creating ugly women except as villainesses

>>8627764
please don't give me flashbacks
>tfw there was no classic rock in the loli van

>>8627769
Yeah. Or is it just a manuscript in your dresser?

>>8627780
Nah I ended up self-publishing it, feel a bit weird sharing it on here though:

https://www.amazon.com/Besides-Tomes-Reflections-Scott-Carroll/dp/1537024213/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1476675666&sr=8-1&keywords=all+besides+i

>>8627785
dis gonan be good

>>8627785
Bro you seriously need to sell this is a kindle book man no ones gonna buy a physical book for that price from a guy they have never heard of

>>8627800
https://www.amazon.com/All-Besides-Tomes-Reflections-Book-ebook/dp/B01LWUQ4ZY/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8

I have that, bit annoying that it didn't automatically link them but oh well

>>8627805
Nice thanks. Stalked you from your amazon profile pic, gonna follow your wordpress, thanks

>>8627796
One star review coming right up.

>>8627785
>>8627805
Seems pretty cool, it's actually motivating knowing that there's people on this general that publish stuff. I want to finish my own projects at some point.

>>8627806
He looks like a bro.

>>8627818
I'm a bro and my name is the epitome of bro so I feel for him

>>8627817
Let's group up a bunch of /lit/izens who have aspirations to write a substantial work and make them all talk together. Anyone down? Saging my own post for inspiring this sort of faggotry

>>8627821
we could make a Goodreads group

>>8627821
>Let's group up a bunch of /lit/izens who have aspirations to write a substantial work and make them all talk together. Anyone down? Saging my own post for inspiring this sort of faggotry
>Hyperdrive
>Reflections on turdatarianism in a turdtra

>>8627805
You know I bet Cirsova would buy a short story from you. He really likes the elevated prose and action orientation and he buys some low-quality stuff too. Not open for submissions atm though.

>>8627817
I'd publish something if I wasn't a shitty writer.

>>8627830
I haven't updated my Goodreads since I started Swale's book on the Meiji period two years ago. I heard it got bad.

>>8627835
That didn't stop Terry Brooks from getting rich.

>>8627831
When will they learn, am I right?

>>8627830
Hmm looks like I'm already part of a /lit/ goodreads group

https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/29373-lit

>>8627859
>outer /lit/

>>8627863
>using outer /lit/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-MhfGqNbhw

>>8627817
On the other hand wasn't there that guy who wrote a book about a nerd falling in love with Hatsune Miku in ~the future~?

>>8627890
You mean William Gibson?

>>8627898
kek

>>8627871
Outer /lit/

>>8627623
What do you like about it?

Is there a greater MC than Cugel?

>>8627915
I like the format. The MC travels to a strange place, encountering strange creatures. A journey is undertaken with sharp delineation between different regions. Inhabitants of each region change the MC in some way, empowering him with odd abilities and opening his eyes to their life philosophies. Nothing is as it seems, and the reader is left to constantly analyze events, searching for meaning.
I had previously read and enjoyed C. S. Lewis's Space Trilogy, which was partially written as a response to this book, but isn't nearly as trippy.

>>8627939
Hard to think of another protagonist who could match him for pettiness, low cunning and degeneracy.

>>8627898
Nice one. But nah, it was somebody from here and I think there was also something about hovercraft racing in it?

I saw them getting told off by a mod on r/printsf for shilling it a few weeks back.

>>8628082
Oh yeah, I remember that one. Didn't make it far into it but the racing thing was pretty cool.

>>8627468
>reading the secret history
I bet you liked the night side series.

Have a look at my chart.

>>8627578
Just give nagas the power to turn pe1to stone and you have your beast.
>some offshoot of the naga species.
>Gained the ability to pretrify prey, also uses ability to flee from predators and rivals.
>stone naga's(give it your own name) gaze causes the recipient's skin to calcifie at an alarmingly rapid rate
>prey's internals are untoucn
>prey usually spends up to 5minutes suffocating because heart failure occurs
>naga then approaches prey and inject liquefying protein through calcified layer that dissolves tissue and bone
>returns 8 hours later to drink prey through a special appendage (modify the tube that allows snakes to breathe while swallowing, to be able to pierce the calcified layer and drink up the soup)

There you have a new entry.

>>8621274
>http://i.imgur.com/r55ODlL.jpg/
decent list, but I have to say that event the modern section is way too classic for me

>>8627466
Thanks

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>>8627774
Brienne is described as being cowlike and homely many many times

>>8627623
Is this the one Harold Bloom wrote a sequel to?

>>8628744
Apparently so. I'll have to keep an eye out for it.

>>8626157
Crem this.

>>8628176
I haven't read the night side series yet. I didn't realize until I read all the Secret Histories books that really the first one was the only good one.

>>8624434
help please