/lit/ - Literature

>>8550028
shut the fuck up

Look op you're looking at recent times with a decent perspective but your analysis sounds flawed. 40-70 years had no quietness to them, just activists aren't well organised. No civil war is near, modern politics is much more complex to fall for this

I agree with the last part and I'm really interested in seeing the downfall

>collapse fetishist
I don't understand this please explain but if i understood correctly, yes i am one. Really looking forward to see shit get fucked up but i don't know when, it's still early

>>8550028
>HRT 1 on /lit/

>>8550054

you need to visit the american south, son.

The modern 'civil war' will be waged with shitposts and memes

>>8550071
Bunch of sheep incapable of any form of war

>>8550077
They have no immediate impact you would have lost your shit about meme magic if you were around when California elected Arnold or the US elected Reagan.

Same shit different time bitch nothing changes

>>8550028
> I think the next time the West experiences a moderate economic or environmental shock, shit will really hit the fan. I'm thinking about civil war in America and radical movements in Europe. Our current stability is taken for granted and society will collapse on its own.

that's what joseph tainter seems to think. it's interesting that you say our stability is taken for granted because that's what i find so puzzling about people using our current civilization as an achievement; it's not permanent at all, and it honestly sounds like people are reassuring themselves that it isn't in such the precarious situation that it is currently in

i think one of the most important ramifications of the internet so far has been giving the uneducated a voice, which is why we get this dichotomous shit-flinging match and just generally bad argumentation. but what do you know, it works, it convinces others

good luck with your novel, it actually sounds like an interesting premise which is rare on /lit/

>>8550129
It is the dumbest idea for a novel I've ever heard, and it's on the level of that one dead eyed fuck I forgot the name of who can't stop writing the heaviest handed social commentary from a right wing perspective about "Europe, but the muslims won" or "America, the apocalypse after the Obama years" or "Sharia law in Australia: What if?"

It's dreadful and honestly deserves to be adapted into already existing fiction through fanfiction where it belongs on archive of our own

>>8550054

Yeah I'm avoiding that kind of speculation in my novel, it's just an absurdist character study of some of the deviant fucks who find a place on the internet and in literature. I'll leave the prophesying to characters within the book.
It's a fantastic vision of the internet's real life potential, from tinder, to job loss, to crises of masculinity, to organized mass murder. ISIS recruiting born and raised western muslims on twitter.

The weather will continue bad, there will be more calamities, more death, more despair, as Boris says, and people are justified in turning their eyes away from the current order towards the future. All speculation will ultimately be baseless, but the choice is between that and sticking your head in the sand. I'm willing to throw my life at a new anarchism: who better for this than an utter failure?

>>8550138

Hey, I'm not writing a social commentary. I'm not pro-right, pro-left, any of that shit. But the strength of your reaction is encouraging. Good luck with your short story collection about the ennui of modern academics, friend.

>>8550028
I'd read that gladly, OP.

>>8550138
it gets merit on the basis that it doesn't automatically assume transexuals are on the same side as non-whites, and it's basic enough that it allows for depth and isn't just a long tract about why the left is wrong, or why the right is wrong, because it's focusing on four characters. it's nothing like the examples you have listed in any case

>>8550182
>>8550129

broad premise:

I live in Vancouver. The book is about a NEET who organizes and performs a mass shooting at Metrotown with other three other 4chan users he meets on the internet. They all wear Pepe masks and nazi armbands, and they only kill non-white people. Here the novel is in the mode of pastiche. Before police arrive they kill themselves and three of them are discovered to be trans men and one (the main character/NEET) is an Adonis of a man, and moreover a fascist poet (going to play with self-insert irony). This is the author of the novel - he is writing a record of the future inspired by a song sung to him by his mother, a prophetic sea nymph. Basically the novel begins by following him in the immediate days before the shooting for a few chapters, and then the narrative goes back a few months to the beginning of summer. From there it traces his development from a depressed wreck to a confident, fit guy who gets absolutely debauched, constantly. This section riffs heavily on the beats, miller, pynchon, deleuze, that kind of stuff. The chapters are all written from the perspective of his different relationships with drugs and states of Being as he vividly conceptualizes them over the course of this hot, humid summer. The main character is schizophrenically jumping from author to author in his readings, work to work, engaging with them only superficially, but they're influencing him tremendously nonetheless. He discovers a deep and intense fetish for transmen and starts sleeping with them frequently. He develops a ketamine addiction and has prophetic visions of a mass shooting at metrotown (these are interspersed in segments throughout). He loses all his money on ketamine (he had $20,000, a payout from an accident with a postal truck in his youth). He's all out of money and ketamine. He sees it as this act of depraved poetic romanticism to let a guy fuck him in the ass for a few grams of ketamine one night. He k-holes and the guy fucks him really hard, wrecks his asshole. A few months later, summer has ended and he's gotten back on his feet in the eyes of his friends and family. In fact, he looks back on the summer as a valuable period of self discovery. He's pursuing a master's degree, he has a girlfriend in his program, he leads a tender and rewarding life of study and love. Scenes of nostalgic remembrance, beautiful moments withheld from summer narrative. In the first weeks of fall, he gets a blood test because he's pissing stones and his entire crotch hurts. a lab discovers that he has HIV, as well as a destroyed bladder. He gets utterly depressed. He quits his graduate studies and hits his girlfriend, who leaves him and threatens him with criminal proceedings as he continues to attempt to contact her when drunk or high. His latent fascist beliefs, always an 'ironic' part of his identity, flare up with vigor. Throughout this period he has met three anons on 4chan who offer him some solace. fin.

>>8550158
I'm writing a novel about transgender people as well. Really, about many people on the internet, with various motivations, various conflicts, various conclusions all related to themselves, where one unintentionally changes the other drastically for the worst. They all become incresigly alienated at their past behavior, become self destructive.

The question at the bottom is, why do we judge and hurt ourselves in such a cult like fashion. I don't remember a time as bad as this in the 21st century socially on the internet, and that's saying something when for the longest time the defacto conspiracy was David Icke for years.

It's all very fascinating, and I do not think you're doing the topic justice.

This isn't really what I'm wholly trying to write about, but it's the skeletal structure. It also hasn't been my first novel, I've ghost written several.

I don't mean to be rude, but it's not well thought out and mostly schlock.

>>8550223

You're probably right, but instead of entering into a period of self-reflection I'm just going to give you the good ol' 4chan "kys" and do my best to get some schlock published. The market doesn't seem to discriminate very well anyways.

>transgernder
>not futa characters

Lmaoing @ your lives you cucks
i will be remembered as the creator of a genre and you will only eat dirty semen from semen free samples in the street

>>8550028
The real irony is that the internet is giving birth to the political movements that will ban and outlaw it. It's poetic, really.

The greatest platform of free speech is so segmented into echo chambers that it's creating a totalitarian monster on which millions will die.

>>8550406
Probably not outlaw, but considerable censorship like in China. The internet is too lucrative and useful to ban outright. But we are at the end of the Wild West phase of it all.

>>8550690
>>8550406

kek

this is not going to happen.

>>8550204

sounds like utter shit

>>8550223

sounds like nu-male masturbation, even worse

fuck this whole thread

>>8550204

>current year
>still thinks schizophrenic = multiple personality

other than that, sounds like a gay irreversible on ketamine. would probably read. want to share a sample?

writing about this sorta thing too, incidentally. don't feel like sharing on the off chance of plagiarism tho. i will say that i do also have a tranny and the internet's p important.

I remember you vancouverbro.
Ignore the haters, I like your concept. It seems to reflect the dark strangeness that's so easy to find on the internet.

Personally I've always thought that the godfather of modern literature will be J.K. Huysmans. I doubt there's a single book being published today that better describes having an wifi connection than A rebours. It's not a coincidence that Houellebecq has been paying homage to him lately, and its not going to be an isolated incident either. The man was a genius just now coming into his time.

>>8550139
It'd be more interesting if you the state's reaction would be to ban the internet

>>8550204
I think the part about jumping from author to author could be good but only if executed well. otherwise I think it can come off as name-dropping, unfocused, and forced

>>8551739
The internet is already more censored than ever, silly.

>>8550201
This is also, the dumbest thing I've ever read

>Anyone else a collapse fetishist here? Anyone else writing about it?
stop reading Zizek and start reading Land

>>8551739
>>sounds like nu-male masturbation, even worse

Good bitch

>>8550028
I have a complete first draft of a satirical accelerationist sf/f type book.

>>8550204
>summer
Indeed

>>8550204

Sounds pretty good desu

Vancouver eh? I know some people there, you even sound like them.

The internet (and mass media before that) is essentially a slow motion asteroid strike which is disrupting the human environment so drastically it is inducing a Cambrian explosion of memes, and soon, genes. Relationships between people have been so effectively disintermediated/remediated (deterritorialized/reterritorialized for you D&G fags) through the internet that we are, in a sense, transitioning from one Matrix to another, with a complementary religion/worldview attached to explain everything that is going on.

I think a civil war in Europe and/or America is very possible within our lifetimes. Technology is forcing these changes on how we are able to form relationships with each other; it accelerates memetic mutation and, by extension, cybernetic processes involved in social homeostasis.

Good luck with your book.

>>8553688
More like vansewer.

>>8552436
you should try, reading your own posts then. a little proof, reading will do you good

>>8553984
It's still among the dumbest posts I've ever read.

If this is what you think is good, all of you are shit at writing.

>>8553987
It's not good but it's still better than your posts by a huge margin.

>>8550028
omg this guy sucks so bad. op sucks by extension. tell us more about your novel wooooooooowwwww

>>8554958

sure, it is basically a lampooning of and love letter to all the dreams and anxieties of the types of damaged people who end up posting on 4chan with an absurd plot that is probably just the fantasy of one of these failures with delusions of grandeur. main character sustains his 'quixotic' (single quotation marks make me feel like less of an ass for using that word although it is v appropriate) delusions with a diet of edgy books and drugs. shockingly it doesn't collapse on him at the end of it all and guy ends up doing alright. i've decided to retract the HIV shit and end the book with a record of health problems and damaged relationships, though.

>>8553987
good for you man. back to contending with the human condition i guess

>>8553688
>I think a civil war in Europe
I covet this. I can finally use my military experience to an end.

That war won't happen in our lifetime

>>8555088
I wouldn't be so sure.

Gen Z will rage hard with their dopamine fizzled brains.

>>8550058
this is now an /ex-yu/ thread

šta se čita momci?

>>8550204
I hope you're funny, op. I'd love to read this with some black humor and shit.

Also, it kinda seems trans women/traps are way more common here but you do you.

>>8555322
Solženjicin i Ivo Pilar. Nakon toga Marko Aurelije i možda Tuđman, stoji mi na polici godinu dana. Onda neki fantasy tipa T.H. White da razbijem ozbiljnost.

>>8550028
Last night's debate has me feeling those feels. Buying a gym membership today to get swole for the Civil War II: Electric Boogaloo

bump

>>8555322
Proces i Spleen Pariza. Pripremam se za Mrtve duše.

Do people on this board really think "the Turner Diaries, but with MEMES and sex fantasy" is a good idea? This is pathetic

>three /lit/ trannies and a beautiful (but /r9k/) lad

You're not beautiful. Go stand on some traintracks.

>>8550204
stupid self-insert fantasy is still stupid even if it's "ironic"

This is possibly the most pathetic fantasy I've ever read on here

>>8555322
Danas pod kemijom dovršio Glembajeve za lektiru, sat prije provjere :^)
Skoro ću dovršiti i monografiju Maurovićevih stripova i Moby Dicka, a zatim početi U agoniji i Sofijin svijet (radi filozofije, naravno).

>>8555322
pa /lit/ je pola eks-ju po demografiji

P.S. čitam isključivo Dablince, Portret umetnika u mladosti, Uliks i Finegan'ovo bdenje

>>8556857
>za lektiru
underageb&

>>8556880
>Finegan'ovo bdenje
>ne Finegana bdenje

>>8556880
>underage
Ali 18 nije underage

>>8556935
Al si pizda neovisno o tom.

>>8550087
war requires sheep, anon

>>8556900
>Finegana buđenje
>ladno postoji prevod
>radio ga je neki anonimus
dobar pokušaj ali zna se da ipak čekamo pravi prevod

What are you guys talking about

>>8550028
When shit hits the fan, the centrist arm holding up the far left will turn right, and the left will be exposed as the powerless pussies they are

>>8557132
Dablinci, Portret umetnika u mladosti, Uliks i Fineganovo bdenje

>>8557076
O joj :(

>>8557135
Joyce, cunts and high schoolers, what we are reading.

>>8557136
Ok, Novak.

>>8557213
it's fucking Dubliners, Portrait, Ulysses and Finnegans m8

>>8557553
I understood that, it's why I said 'ok'.

>>8557565
I half expected that

>>8550028
I don't think it's the internet you should be scared of, it's the ideology. Ideology is pre-baked fucked up and contradictory. Even worse, social movements form around it, and people will willingly donate their mental faculties to them and trap themselves in a tiny box because they want to be free. The internet is just a springboard for it.

Also I hope your book doesn't actually mention /lit/ and /r9k/

>>8550028
I wouldn't worry about it if I was you. Wars been banned.
>it causes insurance premiums to rise too much

>>8556765
mrtve duše su bomba, jedan od najboljih ruskih romana definitvno. proces nisam čitao jer mi je kafka malo edgy.

>>8556857
>lektira

mogao si prešutiti tu činjenicu

...nebitno, bitno da se čita!

>>8558893
U kući sam slučajno naišao na nekakvu manje poznatu Gogoljevu knjigu - "Strašna osveta", pretty bad senpai. Nadam se da će mi Mrtve duše isprat gorak okus iz usta.

>>8558983
Gogolj je majstor kratkih priča. Mrtve Duše su mi bile znatno slabije od kratkih priča, Nos, Soročinski sajam, Kabanica, Zapisi luđaka i hrpa drugih su fantastične.
Mrtve Duše doduše nisam čitao dovoljno koncentrirano zbog stresa u to vrijeme.
>>8556857
Zašto Sofijin svijet a ne pravi uvod u filozofiju tipa Fredrick Copleston?
Također, Izazov svjetonazora, imaš u Verbumu je ono što bi preporučio nekome tko nikad nije primirisao Platona.
Russela izbjegavati kao kugu.

tfw počinje faks i ne možeš više čitati cijeli dan

>>8559272
Tfw više čitaš za vrijeme faksa jer nisi doma na laptopu

We /Poland/ now?

>>8559447
Nah

>>8557646
Not him but mine uses a post from here as an epigraph.

>>8557117
Paunovićev Uliks je GOAT. Biće i FW jednog dana.

>>8559505
>http://www.b92.net/kultura/moj_ugao.php?nav_category=559&yyyy=2013&mm=05&nav_id=714674

>>8558991
>Zašto Sofijin svijet a ne pravi uvod u filozofiju tipa Fredrick Copleston?
Pa, već sam dosta čuo o Sofijinom svijetu, profa iz hrvatskog ju preporučuje, i od prije imamo jedan primjerak doma, pa...

>>8559737
Preporučuje jer misli da si
a) idiot
b) jer je žena

Ajmo da vas čujem, najbolja hrvatska knjiga?

>>8559272
koji faks?

>>8559779
Suze sina razmetnoga i Osman naravno.

>>8559737
Kek ja mislio da je ta knjiga neko Koeljo tier smeće jer je svuda viđam, nisam imao pojma da ima veze s filozofijom.

Op please publish this. I want future historians to discover how many layers of irony people were using around this time period.

>>8559957
Knjiga je ok, al ono, nemaš 12 godina da to čitaš za uvod

>Sophie's World is a 1991 novel by Norwegian writer Jostein Gaarder. It follows the events of Sophie Amundsen, a teenage girl living in Norway, and Alberto Knox, a middle-aged philosopher who introduces her to philosophical thinking and the history of philosophy.

kek

>>8559998
>>8560021
Ima li seksa?

>>8559957
lul, jesi li ju pomiješao sa Sofijinim izborom?

>>8559998
Razumijem da je ponešto childish u prezentaciji (znam da opiše Freudive ideje kvazi-basnom sa životinjama), ali nije valjda toliko osnovna po pitanju dubine same filozofije?

>>8555322
All Quiet On The Western Front.

Odlična knjiga, iako zna biti teška za čitanje, barem meni, zbog svog sadržaja.

Može li mi itko od vas preporučiti dobru knjigu o Napoleonu i Odi Nobunagi?

>>8560110
Za tu sam bio siguran da je neki užas. Možda sam zbog Sofije u nazivu povezao jednu knjigu s drugom nekako. Vrlo moguće.

>>8560151
Onaj anime o loli odi nabunagi

Itko čitao LaVeya?

>>8550094
>mainstream democrats are completely different goyim!
>keep getting on the other side when we agree on 98% of issues hehehe

>>8560218
Draga anonimna osobo, rekoh da tražim knjigu ne crtiće za pedofile. Nauči čitati.

>>8560220
Nadam se da ne, ako mislimo na istog tipa.

>>8560110
Ti shvatiti aristotela kroz basnu nećeš. To ti garantiram. Čitaj kao cool roman, nemoj ako želiš filozofiju.

>>8560283
Mislim da mislimo. Iako je kao pička bacio svoje stavove dok je bio na samrti, čujem da su mnogi rekli kako je njegova Sotonistička Biblija zanimljivo djelo, barem što se okultnog tiče pa me zanima mišljenje /lit/faggova.

>>8550028
The really interesting thing about online communication and the adults that grew up on it is that communities are increasingly determined and divided along ideological rather than geographic lines, since every year more and more discourse gets pushed into curated contexts, i e social media. I wonder what the ramifications will be for the way we do politics, which exclusively defines its communities geographically

>>8560308
Lit je katolička ploča, odjebi sotono

>>8560341
>vjerovati u monoteističke religije
Kek

>>8560423
>ne biti tomist
Plebejče

>>8560308
Razumem interesovanje za okultno, zna to biti interesantno u nekoj meri, ali mi je LaVey običan klovn, lakrdijaš. Ne vidim kako bi ga iko shvatio ozbiljno. Ne samo njega, nego čitavu tu '''''religiju'''''. Kao da gledam crtani film kad ih vidim.

>>8560423
*tipujem kolovrat*

>>8560341
*tipujem mitru*

>>8560231
What are you saying

>>8560443
Nemoj misgenderati moje papinske kape

>>8560443
Ne vjerujem u stare bogove svojih predaka, no smatram kako je njihova kultura i mitologija bila prilično zanimljiva i jako mi je žao što nam je kršćanstvo uništilo korijene.

Ima nekih ok stvari u toj sotonističkom ateizmu, tipa "Ubij životinje jedino ako ti treba hrana ili si u smrtnoj opasnosti", "ne ulazi u seks ako nisi spreman", ali to su sve stvari koje, barem ja, smatram općom kulturom. Ali da, kužim na što misliš, i meni se on prilično gadi, ali me zanimalo da li ima išta vrijednog u toj knjizi. Vrijedi li išta od okultnog čitati? Tipa Crowley i slični njemu?

guys I'm writing a lengthy epic on the experiences of a member of the European Far Right and his experiences in the Balkans as he tries to bring Albanians, Serbians Greeks and Bulgarians through common cultural Anti-Turkism and anti-semitism ending with the main character delivering a speech in Bari only to be shot

>>8560499
u tom*

>>8560512
Eh...

>>8560473
Oš se tući, anone?

Šalio sam se samo. I meni su fascinantni. Pogotovo komparativna mitologija.

Pa da, taj njegov Satanizam je u biti ateizam. Zdrav razum i malo hedonizma i eto, dobiješ tu njegovu filozofiju. Ne bih znao, nisam nikad dublje išao u to.

>>8560552
Druga polovina je za >>8560499

Gdje početi sa Sokratom? Gledao sam par dokumentaraca o njemu pa bih želio nešto njegovo i pročitati. Ima li što da valja od onoga što je pisano o njemu?

>>8560341
Hrvatska je katolička zemlja!

Anoni posotji li dobra hrvatska verzija Augustinovih Ispovijesti?

>>8560151
Rat i mir?

>>8560603
Više sam mislio neku biografiju i sl.

Rat i Mir sam odavno pročitao i pogledao oba filma.

Holy fuck what an ugly language. you degenerates should have been eliminated by the Nazis back in the 40's

>>8560642
Pazi da se ne porežeš na toj ivici, anonimna osobo.

>>8560642
>he equates orthography with language

>>8560642
>you degenerates should have been eliminated by the Nazis back in the 40's

we were Nazis back in the 40's

>>8560642
Ironically, many Croats collaborated with the nazis.
Also you are fucking dumb but I guess I don't have to point that out.

>>8560512
A lengthy epic with such twist at the end will suck dick. A shorter form would be more appropriate.
The mc's idea is retarded, was that your intention?

>>8560512
Read The Mountain Wreath. It's the best epic from those regions as far I know.

>>8560748
He's a hardcore Tito worshipper and wants to do that which can't be done and slowly slips into his fantasy of bringing back yugoslavia.

just cause he gets shot doesn't mean he dies anon

>>8560587
Nisam nikad čitao hrvatsku duhovnost. A ima je jako puno, svećenici pišu stalno.
Zaleti se do Verbuma, ima ih u svim velikim gradovima i pogledaj što imaju na policama, dobar izbor. Da sam imao para uzeo bi si sve Flannery OConnor.
>>8560572
History of philosophy svezak 1 Fredrick Copleston. Uz to će te referirati na barem 3-4 djela dalje.

>>8561160
Da, Verbum je place to go. Planiram prvom prilikom "orobiti" pola knjižare.

>>8562765
Učlani se, dobiješ 10-20% popusta, uzeo Nasljedovati Krista za 35 kuna. Bretty gud

>>8562793
Oh boy, hvala za info.

...još članarina besplatna uf

>>8555322
You will genocide each other again?

>>8562808
It's only bantz.

>>8562765
>Verbum
Uskoro idem u Hrv. Hvala za rec.