/lit/ - Literature

i kek'd

>>8536090
>noldor
>not "sons of feanor"

>>8536090
I don't remember if Wizard of Earthsea has elves or an equal to elves. But I plan on reading that.

Posted this in the old thread because I'm a dumbass I guess

I'm looking for books with similar settings to China Mieville's and Zeno Clash's (PC game).
Does anyone know of anything that fits the really weird, ugly and dirty aesthetic that those have?

>>8536220
Maybe try the Craft Series? I've only read the first one, but it's similar to Mielville in tone and setting.

>>8536230
>the Craft Series
By Max Gladstone? Google gives me ambiguous results when I google it

>>8536254
Yeah that's the one

Are there any fantasy series written by female authors with female protagonists whom aren't mary sues?

>>8536628
>female authors

Why do you want to read trash?

>>8536632
I don't, I was just curious because every single one I've seen has been the author writing herself as the protagonist

>>8536628
Kushiel's Dart.

Problem is that a lot, probably half or more, of fantasy is for the YA market, meaning that regardless of author gender it's going to trite power fantasies, combined with the higher amount of romance elements in fantasy. This is far less common in the science fiction arena.

More like trash general.

The reason why fantasy authors do write fantasy is because it's easy. Throw couple of elves here, some wizards there, add a bit of muh chosen one and muh epic adventures... Voila, there you go.

>>8536628
Sherri S. Tepper - Beauty
Leigh Brackett - Sea Kings of Mars
Hope Mirrlees - Lud-in-the-Mist
Patricia McKillip - Riddle-Master series
Ursula le Guin - Earthsea series

Good female authors are rare these days, mostly because >muh YA

Anyone here read Riyria? I'm 100 pages into Theft of Swords and I want to know if it gets better, so far it's rather bland and generic. A Lankhmar premise in a setting that's a Tolkien ripoff.

>>8536694
Reading the Malazan series right now. Currently on Deadhouse Gates and loving the series thus far.

But does anyone feel like the books are written for the amusement of the author himself and not for an audience? I feel like the books frequently reference places, events and creatures and doesn't slow down to (sometimes ever) explain them to the reader. Like, I've had to put down the book and look shit up online multiple times for Deadhouse Gates, and other times I simply cruise past it hoping there's an explanation somewhere down the road.

One example: what the fuck are rhizar? As far as I can tell its some kind of little winged creature but the book literally NEVER explains what they are. Why? Was it just poorly edited?

>"Now that I have slain my editor, none shall oppose me!" says gun-wielding fantasy author on roof of publishing house

What's your favourite fantasy universe?

>>8536090
King of Elflands daughter Lord Dunsany

>>8536788
"The Land" of Thomas Covenant fame.

>>8536800
Heh. I was thinking of how to post that while differentiating from JRR.

But the Land has original charm as much as derivative. From the sunbane backwards through the sacrifice of Saltheart Foamfollower, every fantasy fan should try it if only to dismiss it.

>>8536807
I think the Land remains derivative only in Lord Foul's Bane, and afterward it is its own entity, and rightly so.

Fuck yeah Saltheart Foamfollower!

How you holdin' up, /lit/?

>>8536800
>>8536807
Thomas Covenant is in many ways more ambitious than LotR IMO.

>>8536891
reading fiction to take my mind off how much I've fucked up my life

yourself?

>>8536891
Reading Wheel of Time because some chick I'm trying to get into is into it.

>>8536047
You should drop it. It's a waste of time, it's only there for entertainment and you aren't entertained.

I feel like rereading something tomorrow.
Should I do The Magicians trilogy or Anathem?
I'm pretty torn tbqh.

>>8536957
The latter, Magicians is awful.

>>8536720
That's the theme of his writing style. He never stops to handhold the reader. Some people can appreciate that, but personally I find that there's a limit to it until it becomes a flaw. People say the books get better when you re-read them, but fuck that. I didn't like how all the interesting stuff happens "off-screen" as well.

The characters are top tier tho, was the only thing that kept me going really.

>>8536938
>Reading Wheel of Time because some chick I'm trying to get into is into it.
Literally the only reason I read it. Biggest waste of time ever but it only took like 2 months to read the whole thing

>>8537123
You didn't get to fuck her I assume?

>>8537145
nope

>>8537153
What, you tried the same thing as me and it didn't work? Shit nigga, I'm off to a bad start

>Don't know how to start a Opening chapter on a Fantasy novel

>>8537228
write your prologue first

>>8537237
Prologue is going to be rather misleading then

>>8537239
doesn't matter, your prologue only needs to begin to make sense by book 3

>>8537239
Just fix it in the next draft.

>>8536682
I don't mind power fantasies, escapism is fun for all.

But holy shit, some female mcs are beyond mary sueish.

Like, okay, we got it, you want to have women characters too, yay good for you, but for crying out loud. This shit's cringey.

>>8536628
Look at female protagonist

>>8536720
Everything is explained, he just isn't Sanderson tier explanations.

The first book you are dropped into the middle of everything, it's closer to the end that everything becomes clear.
If your memory is so short that shit you read at the start of the book is already forgotten, then I suggest you drop Malazan now.

Rhizar are winged lizard like creatures... it was in the book, you didn't have to google anything.

>>8536694
It's pg 13 all the way through, though not YA.
If you are used to gri/edgy, then you will be sorely disappointed. I enjoyed the big reveal, and the tying together of plots at the end. I also enjoyed revelations, and the chronicles, but the new series was just shitty to me.

>>8537303
jesus christ whatever you do don't read anything under 'female urban fantasy protagonist'

>>8537303
>Greywalker
>Skinwalker
>Dead Witch Walking

Why do they like walking so much?

>>8537303
>Gay, Rape & Incest only has six titles

this needs to be rectified

>>8536146
Great series man, I'd recommend it

>>8537343
Which one is the gay book anyway?

posting it again because I like annoying people

>>8537343
more time rectumfied

>>8537399
bakker has plenty of gay, rape, and gay rape, but no incest

grrm has gay and incest

can't speak for the rest

>>8537472
Bakker has plenty of incest and GRRM has plenty of rape.

GRI books have all three.

shit /v/ are talking about us

>>352586238

>>8537602
/v/ has been here for ages, who do you think brings up Sanderson and Bakker all the time?

>>8537513
>>8537472
Any of them have lesbian incest?

>>8537317
I don't want edgy, I just don't want "dwarves are builders, Elves are long lived"

>>8536720
Tfw can't find the second book either in library, half price book store but fuck barnes and nobles. I have the the first, 3rd and 4th book. Anyone a good site for piriting it?

>>8536938
I fucking bought the entire set after so many glowing reviews.

Hated it after the 5th book I think. Forced myself to finish it. Regret it so much.

>>8537984
>tfw bought 9/10 of them at around $2 each.
I'm still missing Bonehunters. Thankfully, based local library had it.

>>8538016
You lucky bastard. How do you like the series so far? Hopefully it doesn't go to shit like The Wheel Of Time did.

>>8537403
Honestly not bad. The tongue-in-cheek tone is just right for this general.

I think it should also cover KSR, Stephenson, and Iain M Banks though.

This is also pretty much exclusively "space scifi," which is fine, but maybe it should be acknowledged as such.

>>8538240
Only covered stuff I've read, but Steph & Banks are in my headlights

>>8536090
>Does anyone have new elf-related literature to recommend?
Tad Williams' Memory Sorrow and Thorn has a basket full of Elves.

>>8536628
I liked Trudi Canavan's Black Magician trilogy but I'm sure somebody probably thinks Sonea is a mary sue just cause she does normal protagonist stuff. Also maybe Karen Miller's Godspeaker trilogy counts. The story is told in a kinda weird way so there's potentially 3 main characters, two of them women.

>>8538372
it's also terrible

>>8537472
>grrm has gay and incest
Did you somehow mentally block out all the rape?

Would people read about a masonic order in a Mad Max, Hokuto no Ken post-apocalyptic wasteland setting trying to uphold order or has that been overdone?

>>8538410
It's definitely not his best work, but I wouldn't call it terrible. If only because I've read actual examples of terrible high fantasy and however dull and plodding Williams can be at his worst he's still fundamentally not a hack writer.

>>8538417
Could be neat depending on how you handle the masonic order.

>>8538432

I was thinking ranger style like in LOTR, they basically have a networking thing going on with other smaller settlements, trading, protection, etc. If some band of savages fuck with them then the order comes in and sorts them out.

>>8536720
That's what grabbed me about Malazan when I first read it. He just drops you into the setting and story and expects you to pick things up as you go. Took me like 4 or 5 books to get a reasonable grasp on major aspects of the world building, and even then he still kept throwing new names and concepts at you later in the series. I burned out by Dust of Dreams, haven't been able to get back into the series.

Oh and by the way, Malazan was originally conceived as a table top role playing setting that just evolved into a novel series as Erikson and his friend were making it. So yeah there definitely is an element of the author just exploring and reveling in his own creation there.

(you) killed /sffg/

>>8538445
Not sure how that's masonic but I guess it could work. The thing about masons is that they are super secretive. Masons don't advertise who they are and flat out pretend to have no idea what you're talking about if you mention Masonic secrets in public. So if this order is going to be based on them they should be more clandestine. Not to say they can't be like rangers, but that could be a front organization for the REAL masonic order.

Are we allowed to talk about new books now?

>>8536720

The first Malazan book is the best, skip the rest, it all goes downhill

>>8538479

Might just call them the order then to save an unintentional slander.

>>8538503
Well the upside to them being so secretive is they don't really prosecute people for slander or anything cause that would have the side effect of dragging their order into the spotlight.

>>8538116
I recently finished Reaper's Gale. Series has been pretty good thus far. The number of PoVs is getting painful though, large sections of switching to unrelated PoVs every page or two. I found it helpful to read one-shots at the same time to break things up.

>>8538494
No, but feel free to discuss good books.

>>8538561
Ebic

I regret reading both Name of the Wind books.

>>8538591
I regret reading every fantasy book I read.

>>8538598

Alright.

>>8538614
At least Gene Wolfe is SF.

>>8538598
Which did you read?
>>8538591
I get some satisfaction knowing that answering questions on how awful it is may turn some innocent souls away from reading it.

>>8538665

It's not necessarily that it's awful. Just horribly paced and a chore to get through.

The book is also a how-to on being an incel beta orbiter, by the way.

>>8538733
How to beta orbiter chore to get through horribly paced is awful in my book.

>>8538771
>How to beta orbiter chore to get through horribly paced is awful in my book.
Is "your book" written in English, by any chance? Because that word salad is not.

>>8538790
Oh good I thought it was just my brain crapping out when I couldn't read that post.

>>8537330
How else is everyone going to see their new shoes?

>>8539042
>Girls, I New York OG a pants
What the fuck. Just stop posting.

I just finished reading this, the first half was really enjoyable

has anyone here read any good non-epic asian fantasy that they can recommend?

Recommendations for dark fantasy? Looking for the gritty grim grimdark here.

>>8539059
First Law series
Prince of Nothing series

>>8539042
Softbait clickporn? In MY /sff/?

More likely than I thought.

>>8538733
>first pedobear
>then spurdo
>now this all legs thing
Is this how new marcos are formed?
When people with no skill try to draw an already existing meme?

>>8539103
>first kek
>then zozzle
>now this all memes thing
Is this how new dialects are formed?
When people with no literacy try to write in an already existing language?

>>8539122
but no one says zozzle anymore

>>8539046
>Girls, I New York OG a pants
This makes no fucking sense, are you the retard that also posted this? >>8538771

>had cool scifi idea
>reading cool scifi book
>it fucking stole my idea before I was even born

ENOUGH

What's his endgame?

>>8537403
>>8538240
>>8538244
this is actually a pretty good idea; I think a chart with ~30-words reviews of /sffg/ anons would be pretty cool

I would even volunteer to do the chart if enough people post their "mini-review" of a book of their choosing

>>8537472
>no incest in Bakker
>first book a guy fucks his mom
>latest book a guy rapes his sister

>>8539199
Shitpost all day erryday

What the fuck was about?

>>8536090
I wonder, how do most of these old sci-fi books hold up? I mean the further back in history we go, the "weirder" their visions of the future become, sometimes to a degree that might be so laughable that it distracts you from the actual story.

RIGHT NOW should be a second golden age for sci-fi/cyberpunk. Why is it not?

>>8539222
Make a chart with books you read.

>>8539222
Do it faggot. We would appreciate it.

>>8538494
Always anon, always.

>>8539363
HYPOTHETICALLY speaking, If I wanted to pirate this books, which websites should I use?

>>8539382
Books are the EASIEST thing in the world to pirate. just post a random sentence from the book into google and its right there.

>>8539382
gen.lib.rus.ec

>>8539340
To answer the first question, yes. A lot of older books have entertaining visions of the future, but we still enjoy them. Especially in the 40s a lot of writers were ethically optimistic so their social visions can still ring true. Also scifi is a genre which contains a lot of work which builds on older stuff, so the further back you go the more foundations (pun intended) to modern work you see. Also age =/= poor quality.

As for our current shoddy state of affairs, it's a mixture of lack of public interest (which will fade soon), the cancer of a science fantasy, and just bad luck. Quality work is still being published, you just need to look for it. There's another anon circulating which answered this question a couple of threads ago so maybe he'll step in.

>>8539343
>>8539222
>>8539353
Going to bed now but I'm still up for this. We need a word count and a list of shit everyone's read. Any clashes can be negotiated into a combination of the two. Also we need a spreadsheet

>>8539408
>>8539340
One thing I find interesting is the books that were fairly close to the mark with their predictions. Eg, a American infantryman today has similar equipment to a Mobile Infantryman in Starship Troopers, minus the suit of full-body armor with jump jets and easy access to nuclear tipped rockets.

>>8539408
Oh by no means did I try to imply that the old works are bad. I mean they're called classics for a reason. Rather what I mean was, that even though the work itself is good, some of the views of the "future" can be so outlandish as to be distracting. Everyone has their flying car, and now the street is just 10 stories in the air, pedestrians all having jetpacks, a complete misunderstand on how computers work etc. (note that these are overblown examples) I find that reading about these always pulls me out of the story a bit. And I feel like this gets more "right" the more recent the work is.

>>8539470
I'd love to read something that is like Ghost in the Shell for example. A world that just "works" as a World because it balances the great things out with the flaws. Yes you can get cyborg body parts (if you can afford them) but there is also an increasing demand for human organ transplants which results in a large organ black market and the fact that everything is connected has brought a golden age for cyber criminals.

>>8539470
I understand now, and agree. I rather enjoy older works which focus on what is still our future, and hence still possible (however remote). I feel what every older novel seems to miss however is the era of mobile phones and easy access to the Internet. Although plenty still predicted this (see Hyperion, Simmons you dog).

>>8539455
>easy access to nuclear tipped rockets
That's one thing you saw a lot of in older speculative science fiction: a predicted mass proliferation of nuclear technology that just didn't happen. Not just in weapons but for all kinds of technology, everything in the future was going to run on mini nuclear batteries and outlast the people who used them.

Anyone on /sffg/ read Neil Stephenson's "Seveneves"? Any thoughts?
I don't read these kind of literature. And apart from "Roadside picnic" nothing of sci-fi really left a trace in my mind. However "Seveneves" happened to be a huge exception.

>>8536930
Having a shitty time since moving for grad school. The program itself is great; external events that have transpired since moving is not.

>>8536938
Don't read for girls, baka.

>>8539508

The environmental movement hadn't gotten traction yet.

>>8539415
>>8539222
>>8539343
>>8539353

As I said I would love to contribute by creating the chart/guide but I wouldn't want to put my own reviews in it until maybe we have a sizable amount reviews from other anons.

Even if I personally think there is major lack of real criticism of science fiction in general, a guide made by sffg specifically for sffg anons would still have its merits. Because as of right now the guides we have don't include any kind review at all.

>>8539515
I had given that book a try. But I had to drop it due to RL shit effecting my health.

I remembered the opening being interesting with it's use of an astronomist character.

>>8539318
Road trips in Japan and self reflections.

Why is there almost no non-epic asian fantasy?

>>8539222
I thought about adding a 1-2 sentence review/summary to the chart I made, but text just takes up a lot of space. I'm considering maybe doing a few author/subgenre charts with some text; I think a "general" chart with reviews is too much. Attached only has 30 books and I don't think there's a good way to get even a sentence or two in on each book.

>>8539515
It's shit.

>>8539562
>RL shit effecting my health.
causing anxiety and depression? I don't get what in this book could do that to anyone?

>>8539515
Yes, I thought it was very good except for the structure. It's really three books in one volume, and it still resets the story momentum at the beginning of each "book". And the antagonist of the second part seemed a bit strawwoman-ish.

Still it was a satisfying mix of thoughtful and enthusiastic. The "bad" characters of the second act gave the final compromise a weight and a twist on the future that would have been missing if their problems had been only technological.

If you liked those two try Earth Abides and Metro 2033.

>>8539609
elaborate your opinion please

>>8539415
>>8539544
The whole point of charts are books you read, and would like to recommend to people.
If someone attacks your chart, you hit back.

Just putting w/e anyone says will lead to a troll chart.

>>8539617
Explained this shit too many times in the general(was here since the first general).

Go to the archives and search seveneves and take the responses from the sffgs, one or three is most likely mine

>>8539630
Oh piss off. If you can't discuss your opinion don't bring it up in the first place.

Archives are for reddit.

>>8539608
This is fucking dope.

If I could suggest I would love there to be a science fantasy section. Could be ordered,
Book of the New Sun
The Deep
Viriconium
The Dying Earth
And lastly I would say Eisenhorn if there's no stigma around 40k books here, I guess those dreadful CS Lewis Mars books could be subbed in instead though.

Also I would petition for Solaris to be on New Wave instead of Dangerous Visions and for The Stars My Desitnation to be in Golden Age instead of either Starship Troopers or Slan. Also, Fountains of Paradise was good but we all know 2001 is where it's at.

>>8539634
>I'm a special snowflake
>repeat the same shit over and over for my amusement

Go get fucked fagget, I'm not hand holding your lazy ass. If you want a long ass review which no one reads and responds to, go to the fucking archive.

Typing out shit for people here is a waste of time.

>>8539651
>go to discussion board
>too cool to discuss
Then just leave, m8

>>8537403
Damn, this chart is fucking beautiful. Make more on other time periods (classic, modern) and sub-genres (cyberpunk, steampunk, etc)

>>8539657
I discuss, but talking about boring shit books which you and a bunch of other people gave pros and cons for ages ago is a waste of time.

Go to goodreads and look at the 1 star reviews, one is most likely mine, and other anons from here.

Not my fault your ass is fresh off the redshitor boat, and missed all the discussions for that shit book when people cared enough to type it out.

Some autistic anon will type theirs or go in the archives to please your ass, don't worry.

>>8539651
Just find it and copy paste you lazy nincompoop

>>8539608
>No Gene Wolfe anywhere

>>8539676
He only reads old books, and only sci-fi.

>>8537403
Why Chasm City before Revelation Space? Isn't it a sequel, or follow-on?

I ask because I had mixed feelings about RS, and the good part of the mix wasn't strong enough to keep me from dropping the series. But if it gits gud later on...

>>8539676
Cheers anon, it was worth staying up until 02:40 afterall

>>8539685
>old books

Blindsight and Metro 2033 came out around 2005 and The Thing Itself came out last year I think. There's older stuff but then isn't that where you have to start with scifi?

Also it's only scifi because it's a scifi chart ya dingus

>>8539696
Not sure but I started it today so updates to follow

>>8539340
How old SF holds up

Philip K Dick was writing since the 50's but he feels modern, still. I think this is due to his pessimism and focus on working class characters.

Ray Bradbury's idea of Mars in Martian Chronicles is completely unrealistic but he is writing as a fantasist, not a prophet. I think this is a good way to view old sf stories generally. That, or as alternate timelines, speculation, and insights into contemporary concerns (like all the 1950's stories where the USSR nukes America by year 2000.)

To me, the more hard old SF like Clarke and Asimov feels hoarier than more soft authors with more social and philosophical concerns: Vonnegut, Sturgeon, Dick. This is because they are writing about universal (timeless) human experience. These books tend to be more literary as well.

Meanwhile look at something like Greg Bear's Blood Music - a book from the 1980s, 30 years after many of the authors I listed, and well regarded in its time, a piece of hard sci fi. It feels both dated and stilted.

>>8539608
I like the approach of this, grouping books into sub types. You'll never please everyone.

>ran out of fantasy shit to read months ago and haven't found anything since
>so picky it will probably be months before I find something new

>>8539340
I find that for things that are sufficiently historical if I don't like reading the story I like reading the audience.

If you're reading a shitty book and you cringe and ask yourself who likes this shit, and then you set yourself the task of actually imagining that person who likes this shit the material is suddenly interesting again.

>>8539758
Nah mang. That only carries you so far. Could you sit trough 750+ Episodes of One Piece just by "What kind of person likes this shit"?

I couldn't even make it trough the first episode of Supergirl and I know EXACTLY what kind of person likes that shit.

>>8539758
>If you're reading a shitty book and you cringe and ask yourself who likes this shit, and then you set yourself the task of actually imagining that person who likes this shit the material is suddenly interesting again.
There are many more books that exist than you can humanly read, therefore I don't see the point in reading books that you hate when something fantastic or enlightening could be around the corner.

>>8539778
It got me through Twilight. And was enlightening for it.

>>8539508
It wasn't until the late 50s that military planners started to move away from seeing nuclear bombs as being "really big artillery" (and for the Soviets, the early 70s).

So at the time nuclear power was seen as being far superior to chemical batteries, since a modern alkaline battery has about a 2% efficiency (which I'm sure was much lower in the 1950s) but a atomic battery can go up to 5% so clearly it's the power source for the post-modernist man on the go.

I know it's probably too old to count as "fantasy" really, but is Journey To The West worth reading? Last time I tried reading a classic I was disappointed

I need some asian fantasy to read but I don't know any that aren't epic fantasy

>>8539699
Sorry friend I thought the guy was quoting this fellow >>8539608

>>8539758
So are you implying that black boys read pulp?
From your audience comment.

>>8539830
Wind up girl. Takes place in Thailand. The only other Asian fantasies I read and remember are probably mangas

>>8539696
Chronologically, it takes place in between Revelation Space and Redemption Ark.

>>8539830
>Journey To The West
It's a very popular story told to children (why do you want to read this?), I got to watch it in chinese animu form on a whole bunch of DVDs.

It's essentially about Buddha punishing a shitposter (Sun Wukong) with massive headaches since the monkey essentially decided to make himself immortal by eating peaches and also he has access to a whole bunch of powers like shapeshifting. Zhu Bajie is comically lazy and really loves to eat.

Shenanigans ensue and also Sun Wukong isn't really that bad of a person but is especially mischievious.

>>8539614
Oh. I had been badly effected by the flu.

I couldn't read it because of my sickness.

>>8539862
read it already

>>8539870
because I like good non-european fairy tales and because I'm completely out of shit to read.

Are there even any decent Urban Fantasy books? Obviously Gaimans "American Gods" is pretty good, but that is rather low key on the magic for the most part. Tried Lev Grossmans "The Magicians" and I guess it was OK, A bit predictable and a bit all over the place with the magic. People end up strong enough in magic to just fly to the fucking moon, apparently able to support themselves with air and energy out of nowhere, reaching almost a godlike status

I'd like something like the movie "Push" in book form but... you know, actually good.

>>8536938
>>8537123
>>8538116
I'm new to /lit/, so perhaps someone could explain to me why the WoT series got so much hate? I mean yeah it was long and slowed down a fuck ton towards an ending that just felt rushed and shitty, but I though he was a godtier world builder and the sense of serious derailment was just tied with the MC's derailment.

Just finished the first Mistborn book and should I continue on to the other 5 or just accept the ending in the first book to preserve quality?

>>8539862
Ironically for a book partially condemning whitey's poverty tourism of SE Asia, the book itself felt like the author was indulging in the same thing.

>>8539888
>because I'm completely out of shit to read.
>>8539363 ??????

>>8539865
Hey cosmerefag, read that new librarian book yet?

When something cosmere related will come out?

>>8539363
>Trudi Canavan
Read her stuff, It's not too terrible but she does tend to go a little SJW on you sometimes. Like one of the books has this subplot about a Homosex magician who has to hide the fact that he is homosex or the other magicians will bully him and take away his stuff. And it just feels SO out of place in her universe because it's such an obvious "this is you, society!" insert, it's painful.

>>8539910
Urban fantasy?

Say no more senpai, use the male version please. >>8537303

>>8539951
I should have made a bit more specfic that I'm looking for magic in particular. Magic, powers whatever you want to call it. Preferably with a protagonist that is able to do it or learns to be able to do it.

>>8539949
Wouldn't you bully a faggot fuckboi at a male boarding school? Then when you horny enough,turn off the lights, and let him give you a bj.

I mean it's not gay if you think it's a girl right?

>>8539936
That's almost entirely epic fantasy, which I can't stand. the rest I either read, dropped, or in one case got had spoiled for me

Actually, I tried green a while back but just put it down. Maybe I can try going back to it. I also never did finish that last johannes cabal book, but after the first one it kind of went downhill

>>8539965
Yeah, male protagonist of >>8537303

>>8539970
PICKED THE FUCK UP

>>8539924
Can't speak for /lit/, but for me it's a lack of new or interesting ideas - it's just thousands of pages of standard-issue warriors, wizards, Dark Lord, etc. Had the same problem with Brooks, I'm more of a New Weird reader.

>>8539972
Look through my list (old way of sharing, needs serious updating). Something might be in there that you like.

If something catches your eye, just google the names to see if you like them or not, but be warned many of them are shit, or turned to shit later in the sequels.

>>8539978
It's not in the book that I can remember. Somebody gets forced into giving up their ass though.

I was just being hypothetical. If you want gay shit, read the steel remains.

>>8539965
Paul Cornell's London Falling might be what you're looking for, it's about a beat cop whose prime suspect gets murdered by magic and has to learn it himself to fight back. Although it has got the "magic follows pseudo-scientific rules" thing which I know annoys some people.

>>8539994
I don't mind rules as long as it makes some sense and doesn't start to contradict itself. I'll give it a try.

>>8539982
I can respect that, I'm not really fond of heavy magic fantasy because its always felt repetitive to me. I guess something about WoT felt different to me.

>>8540000
>completely ignore me after I try to help
I'm out

>>8539924
I genuinely liked it, till book 10 or 11 I think but even then, the relationships between the protagonists, especially rand were just eh, and the girls scene. Personalities were just mush to me and it grated my nerves. The worst for me was Rand and his three sloots. Did enjoy Matt though, and the other guy but other than that. Eh.

>>8540031
Yeah, the relationships were kinda meh, It seemed like no matter what, one of the female characters was being a complete cunt to the rest. I'm mostly asking because I need some redpilling, and this is doing it.

>>8539059
Dusk by Tim Lebbon and its sequel, Dawn.

>>8539924
Not really sure since it's a pretty solidly written series. The more I talk with people about it on /sffg/ the more I see misunderstandings about it which makes me think people either didn't finish it or skimmed large chunks of it.

>>8539949
I thought she had a pretty nuanced take on the gay magician thing by demonstrating that different cultures have different standards for decency. In his own country he was a pariah, but in another he just had a different "interest," yet in that culture they were extremely panicky about men and women interacting in private, and in another culture he would have been stoned to death.

If you ask me, it was the sequel trilogy to that one that was unbearable because she dropped all the nuance completely.

>>8539939
I don't read nonCosmere.

Uh, there's a Stormlight Companion novella(?) coming out this year I think but it has no new stories/info. There's Arcanum Unbounded which is a collection of Cosmere novellas plus one or two new ones plus some other neat stuff. That's out sometime this year too.

>>8540248
>I don't read nonCosmere.
Like... at all?

>>8539924
Because world building is the least important element to fantasy novels. If you have shit tier prose, shit tier characters and 13 books that are for the most part completely redundant and the whole story could be told in 1/3 of the size, have no depth whatsoever, the book is a failure. >>8539645
I love 40k because I paint minies, but fuck man, the novels are terrible. Didn't read Eisenhorn, but even other Abnett and ADB are awful unless you absolutely know you are going to read 40k and that you should shut out any criticism a priori.

>>8540411
>Because world building is the least important element to fantasy novels
What
>shit tier prose
I love this meme
>shit tier characters
Man I'm beginning to doubt you've read his books or even like fantasy to begin with.

>>8540467
Fantasy isn't just awful commercial novels.

>>8539363
How the fuck is Roadside Picnic modern?

Why don't people talk about Ursula here?

She's literally holy mother of sffg god.

>>8540615
Which of her books would you like to talk about?

Lathe of Heaven is my favorite of hers, even if it is a bit pulpy. The Dispossessed is a far too on-the-nose critique of communism vs capitalism, I didn't think there was any real insight there. Left Hand is good, and not nearly so focused on gender as what the discussion around it would have you believe. I tend to like her sci-fi better than her fantasy just because that's the genre I prefer, but Earthsea is a fine series for a younger reader. Haven't reread it to see if it holds up.

>>8540358
I meant nonCosmere by Sanderson, obviously.

>>8540467
>I love this meme
why is it a meme?

Fucking hell, I wish "prose is a meme is a meme" wouldnt be a meme. I wouldnt have wasted the hours I wasted reading Dune.

There is fan-fiction out there with better prose.

>>8540585
I explained my "modern" chart already. All it means is that it can be read by someone younger than 38(the average age of "old books only" anons), and be enjoyed, it holds up through the ages.

Not like a lot of the pulpy shit that "old books" recommend, which are usually shit, and you need nostalgia to get you through(which I don't have, because I'm not 40 with a wife, a mortgage and 2 kids).

>>8540993
But that's not how anyone else uses "modern" or understands it to mean, hence you always get confusion and butthurtery.

>>8540993
But you have to be an old geezer to like Wolfes convoluted writing.

>>8539622
Im not saying it shouldnt be moderated, Im just saying that we should go for different reviews by different anons. I personally would trash Dune in my review, but there are surely anons who would praise it. Also positive reviews tend to overlook the bad things in the books and vice versa.

In the end, if a review is shit, I wouldnt include it in the chart, but I dont see the problem in having to pick well-articulated short reviews.

>>8540016
Nigga I said I'll give it a try. I literally said I'm going to fucking read it. So what's your problem?

>>8540993
Why didn't you just say "I'm a mongoloid"?
>>8541007
His writing isn't convoluted. It's dense. Neuromancer is convoluted for example. Wolfe is very clear and easy to follow, but requires concentration. His writing rewards with very vivid imagery.

>>8540232
I didn't feel that it was nuanced at all. Whenever it came up I heard a narrator somewhere in my Mind going: "And now for the social commentary!:"
The whole thing felt like a forced conflict, it wasn't something that was built up too, or that was subtle at all. She just suddenly wrote: "Oh and here's this gay guy and if these people ever find out he's gay he's fucked but in this OTHER country they're fine with it, shouldn't it be more like that other country???"
To me it felt like the blindingly obvious "moral message" in a cartoon for toddlers. I mean there wasn't even any reason to have him be gay. He literally just existed so that we could have this "Gay oppression is terrible" section and I feel like that's just bad writing. If you want to include a gay character please make sure that he isn't an obvious token for a hamfisted message directed directly at the reader.

cancer general

>>8541170
what was that? sorry? you'll have to speak up

>>8541003
Should I put "fantasy recs for the modern reader"?

Too much words to hold at the top.

>>8541065
Talking about this >>8539989

>>8541352
The modern readers in your meaning of the word implies a cretin. You could just name it /cretin/ reading chart. It would not be a chart for the modern reader since modern (or in this case people younger than 25) have no problems reading literature of any age, as it, if is actually good, is timeless anyway.

>>8541019
I applaud you if you get it done well, but multiple reviews - even short ones - sound more suitable for a wiki, or similar.

>>8540972
Most people who rave about "prose" are pseuds and their complaints come down to nitpicking word choice and complaining that it's too "simple". There can be absolutely nothing wrong with the prose in a book and they will still bitch about it just so they have something to be snobbish about.

>>8541495
Yes, but when talking for example about Dune, this is clearly not the case. It seriously baffles my mind how anyone can read that tripe and be like "ye, that was a fluent read". You dont have to be Nabokov or Faulkner, I just want "prose" that isnt so fucking shit, that I'm reminded every 5-10 sentences that Im reading a shittily written book.

I have nothing against "simple" prose like Clarke uses, but I absolutely cannot tolerate reading something that ignores the "show dont tell"-guideline on nearly every fucking page of the book.

I dont even want to talk about the """""action"""""" """""scenes""""".

pic related
its just one of the heights the prose can get to in Dune

>>8541458
I will probably start by just posting the blanco guide with some of the popular books and just ask for 180 characters or less reviews of them. Pretty sure there will be at least some people who are going to post something about the classics (Clarke, Herbert, Asimov, Heinlein, Strugatzki Brahs)

>>8541552
Every part of Dune set in the desert fucking sucked

>>8541584
except for the "worldbuilding" the book was just shit.

Its the book equivalent of the "idea-guy" in video games.
Okay-ish idea, terrible execution.

>>8541552
It was pretty cool when I was 16 mate

Why is Childhood's End considered to be a must read SciFi novel?

The first half of the book was good but the ending was so shit. Am I just supposed to ignore the ending and only like the book because of the beginning and middle?

>>8541667
Then maybe you should consider that when (and Im not implying that you ever did or ever will) you recommend that book to anyone above the age of 16.

I get the feeling that all the people who rave about this book either have read it when they were very young or never made it past YA fiction anyway.

There is no way in hell that anyone who has ever read anything besides YA or pulp SF thinks that the prose is tolerable. Just fucking read the pic I posted. That passage was in the first 40 or so pages and its neither the first nor the last of its kind.

Is Bakker our guy ?

>>8541700
Maybe they read for content/ideas and not beauty of language

Why did Titus fuck him over and abandon him to live with the maniacs?

>>8541727
He self shills here, but there's no reason to like him.

>>8541729
I dont give a shit what they read for. The prose in the book is shite, just as well as anything else except for the "idea/worldbuilding". The question really is: who cares? Well, I cant force anyone to give the book a shitty review and in the same time I cant demand to be given good and thought-out reviews of the book.
I know that even if it baffels my mind to no end how anyone can read through that crap and be astonished by that, I cant do anything about it. The thing I can do tho, is to shit on the book here and post examples of why exactly the book is practically unreadable to anyone who considers himself to be "well-read".

I wouldnt have to this if all those people shitting out those 5/5 reviews on gr or even here on sffg >>8539608 would just fucking write under their reviews or charts or whatever
>oh and by the way, everything in this book including but not limited to: the prose, the characterization, the pacing, the dialogue is absolutely fan-fiction tier. The worldbuilding is great tho.


ye but in the end its me getting mad over literally nothing, who really gives a shit. just mad af that I was tricked into reading that shit.

>been single so long I have to resort to reading chicklit like Lord of the Fading Lands to assuage my loneliness
>go on goodreads
>Felicia Day has selected it for her 'vaginal fantasy' club

fuck my life

reommend similar titles pls familams

>>8538591
Oh man. This. I was younger when I read it, and liked it to be honest, but in the back of my mind it just rubbed me the wrong way, especially some of the relationships/personalities of the main character and that girl he's being a beta for while she was having a sugar daddy. Came back and reread it a second time months later, couldn't get past the first five pages. It was shit.

>>8541739

Everybody got fucked over in Gormenghast heavily anon, except for maybe the earl. Poor fucker just wanted to be alone with his books.

>>8540039
He had some good lore going on, but Rands woe to me shit was annoying as fuck, egwene, aviendha or w/e and the rest were so just fucking annoying.

I don't mind long books, but his were just ridiculous in terms off fluff vs actual story

>>8541786
Why don't you try novels with a lot of cute romance that are also not retarded af? Like Anna Karenina, Kiti is top tier waifu, or Book of the New Sun with Dorcas or Kiku's Prayer for some japanese teen action?

>>8541784
What are some examples of good prose then, from books you have read?

I'm asking out of curiosity, not being snarky.

>>8541798
because the setting matters, I prefer high fantasy

no paranormal/urban

>>8541786
I don't know how anyone can read a book with "fey" in the blurb

>>8541800
If by good prose you mean prose that was so good that it stood out for me
>Faulkner's Absalom! Absalom! and The Sound and the Fury
>Nabokov's short stories
>Kafka's Metamorphosis and The Trial
>Goethe's Werther
Obviously those arent all the books that I would classify as "good prose", but I think that should give you a general idea of what I think of as good prose.

There are also many books where the prose is good, but they just couldnt evoke the same feeling in me that above mentioned books did, namely
>Steinbeck's East of Eden and Of Mice and Men
>Hemingway's The Old Man and the Sea
>Eichendorff's Good-For-Nothing

But these arent necessarily the books I look for when I read SF (I obsviously dont actively avoid reading them), rather Im ok with reading SF books where the is "good enough". This includes works of authors like Clarke, (translations of) Strugatzki brothers, (translations of) Lem, Bester, Dick and so on.
These are books where the prose is neither so bad that you have to stop reading nor so good that you have to take a minute to just appreciate the language.

I should also mention, that I know that Im neither well-read enough nor trained to differentiate between the nuances of the language use between say Nabokov and Faulkner. I just know that reading them feels cutting through room-temperature butter with a hot knife. Meanwhile reading Dune was like getting hit on the head with a frozen block of butter.

>>8541882
>rather Im ok with reading SF books where _prose_ the is "good enough"
> I just know that reading them feels _like_ cutting through

maybe I should spend more time proofreading my shit and spend less time shitting on dune

>>8541882
>>8541890
Lel, thanks for the suggestions though. I read a lot but I've never really payed attention to prose etc, if I liked it, I liked it. Been wanting to spend more time actually appreciating language lately so thanks for the info.

>>8541890
you showed him! good job fellow redditor!

>>8541916
Anon I really dont want to do this, but maybe reread the post you replied to? Thanks for defending me from against myself tho.

>>>8541912
No problem brah, the thing is, dont force yourself to read shit you actually dont enjoy, there is definitely stuff out there that with "good enough" prose that you would enjoy anyway. You'll acquire a personal taste just by reading (especially if you try to read more and more demanding stuff) without having to force yourself to read post-modern stuff right off the bat.
I would even go so far and say that by reading the SF authors I mentioned you would be accustomed enough to "okay-prose" that you wouldnt and couldnt enjoy Dune.

Also I completely forgot about Le Guin. You should check her out as well. Whatever tho, just read stuff you like and dont let random anons like me spit in your soup.

>>8541948
Thanks for the tip, I appreciate it.

>>8541882
Bradbury (and Simak's) prose feels like Steinbeck for me: simple yet very poetic with a great sense of atmosphere and scenery.
I also like Olaf Stapledon.

R.C. Wilson tries to have a good prose but generally doesn't suceed

>>8542176
I absolutely agree with you, City was had some very fine, good flowing prose, just as well as The Martian Chronicles?

Unfortunately I only read City by Simak, so it would be appreciated if you could rec me something written by him.

All good scifi starts off unreadable because of all the new words, anacronyms and phrases you're introduced to. Another reason why you should reread so much gunk.

>>8541361
Even more retarded. At no point in the conversation string of >>8539989 Was I even part of. You where talking to some other anon and then suddenly got all pissy at me for not taking the advice you gave another anon? What is wrong with you?

>>8542226
>was had
>just as well as The Martian Chronicles?

fucking hell what is wrong with me? I really should catch some sleep asap

>>8542226
>Unfortunately I only read City by Simak, so it would be appreciated if you could rec me something written by him.
Way Station, A Heritage of Stars and any of his short stories.

>>8541804
wolfe is pretty high fantasy

so i know some of you are sanderfags too
some friend on tumblr asked me to write shallan watersportsyou want it when I'm done?

>>8541798
I was about to say that Anna Karenina was absolutely retarded af but kitty is absolutely a god-tier waifu. good taste, anon

>>8539924
It's way overdrawn, you grow to dislike the characters because they speak and behave the same way over and over again with no real sense that they have matured.

My own bitterness with the series is that the first 4-5 books are good and keep you interested with promise that the quality will continue but by the end of it all my mind could not deny that I had just wasted a giant amount of time on something quite generic.

I was going to start reading Roadside Picnic because it's a) apparently really good, and b) because I really enjoyed playing STALKER. Are the other books by the Strugatsky brothers also worth reading? The only work of theirs I ever see mentioned either here or any other literature websites is Roadside Picnic.

>>8541793
Poor fucker needed /lit/

http://ladybusiness.dreamwidth.org/2016/09/19/readers-of-the-lost-arc-courtney-schafer-explores-the-1990s.html

Thoughts? Illusion, Exchange of Hostages, City of Bones, and Wars of Light and Shadow sound interesting.

Also point me towards any other "the best X of #Decade that Nobody Read" style lists.

I have just finished the second of two books by Poul Anderson and I have written a short review of each. The first was written in 1970 and the second in 1989. Both novels were Hugo award nominees and presumably offer a reasonable assessment of Anderson's matured style in science fiction. As I found both books to have a consistent style and similar themes, I will critique both together after summarizing each novel.

>"Tau Zero"

This novel concerns itself primarily with the concept of time dilation at relativistic speeds. A colony ship is launched at yonder star but en route a collision occurs, causing system failures so that the ship cannot safely decelerate. Instead, the crew elects to accelerate so that they can more quickly reach extragalactic space. This proves unfeasible as does every subsequent idea until ultimately the ship passes through the extinction of the universe and into the rebirth. The action primarily focuses on the crew and their attempts to come to grips with their situation. The situation nominally changes but the underlying problem remains the same so the actual change is solely in the relative age of the universe and the psychological impact on the crew.

>"The Boat of a Million Years"

This novel proposes the existence of immortal humans. The book opens with a vignette set around a Phoenician who the reader comes to understand is immortal. Subsequent scenes repeat this theme, where either new immortals are introduced or the narrative of preceding immortals is taken up again in a later era. The first two-thirds or so of the book proceeds in this fashion before the plot reaches the near future. Thereafter, the story shifts to a intergalactic colonization voyage undertaken by the immortals, who seek new challenges to justify their indefinite lifespans. Anderson envisions his immortals as being simply long-lived mutations rather than having additional superhuman qualities that other incarnations of this concept (vampires, etc.) rely on. This adds an interesting dimension to the idea and places limits on them so that the plot doesn't simply reduce to immortals secretly ruling the world.

>>8543315

I place Poul Anderson in a category of science fiction authors I call "idea writers". I think of this type as enthusiasts who created or encountered a possible scientific concept and then wrote a book that explains it.

In these novels as with most other authors of his type, Poul Anderson writes with a two-dimensional style where his characters solely exist to expound or criticize some aspect of the ideas set forth in the novel. Consequently, his prose is thin and simply suffices to create a framework for his ideas to operate in--a stage, if you will, for his cardboard-cutout actors to orate upon. Where his imagination fails to provide a situation suitable for character exposition, he does not shy away from simply narrating his thoughts in his characters' minds.

In both novels, Anderson uses a father figure to make key decisions for the rest of the characters without consent and with questionable rationale. Both sets of characters initially express anger at this breach of trust but submit while eventually coming to accept and agree with the father figure despite marginal results. Is Anderson positing that any human venture boils down to a single authority figure? It strikes me as an odd theme for a lifelong civilian and an avowed libertarian in later life however his father died while he was a preteen so perhaps that explains it.

A less impactful yet consistent theme is short-term monogamy with frequent swaps of companion. In the context of immortality this seems logical but Anderson makes a point of continuing it when both sets of characters are confined during relatively short-duration space voyages. Perhaps he was pandering to his young male audience here.

I wouldn't care to read another Poul Anderson book. His concepts were interesting but I would have preferred to read them as a journal article. I consider Isaac Asimov to be another prime example of "idea writer" but R. Daneel Olivaw and Hari Seldon are at least memorable: I've already forgotten Anderson's characters' names.

>>8543317
>Perhaps he was pandering to his young male audience here.
Care to elaborate?

>>8543453

Nothing beyond the cliche "sex sells", really. Science fiction is sold by ideas and future permissive sexual mores probably sell as well as future technologies.

>>8543471
Also it can be a way for the author to soap box about how their fetish should totally be legal. Eg, Heinlein and polyamory, Piers Anthony writing in defense of pedophiles.

>>8543508

Agreed. I think this is probably the case, especially when the fetish is consistent. If it were just to boost sales, wouldn't you vary which social norms you violated?

That ending to Traitor Baru Comorant is actually mindblowing in the amount of ALL ACCORDING TO KEIKAKU.

>>8536628
I like Jennifer Fallon. Her female characters are layered and have considerable flaws, while still being admirable protagonists and compelling antagonists. The stories too are sweeping grand fantasy of the best kind, with Second Sons trilogy being the most convention (but with a great setting/pay-off) and Tide Lords being something of a character study of a suicidal immortal.

However, if you're easily triggered by feminism you probably won't enjoy reading it. Most of her books also dwell on the uneven power between genders in medieval societies. Characters remark upon this, and actively fight to subvert it. You can tell if a male character is going to be a good guy or a bad guy pretty quickly by how willing he is to recognise the equality of the fairer sex. Hythrun Chronicles is especially grating for this, having a female character who constantly reminds everyone that she's as good as any man and better than most at anything (although the author subverts this somewhat in the third book, when the Prince allows this character to lead her father's army in battle, whereupon she promptly shits the bed and cops an arrow to the face.)

Overall, if your filtering condition is 'fantasy', 'female author' and 'good writing' you can't go wrong with any of Fallon's earlier works: Second Suns, Tidelords, Hythrun Chronicles (in descending order of quality).

>>8543653
I liked Jennifer Fallon too but I couldn't get into Second Sons. I read her for the Tide Lords series which I read as a kid.

>>8543664
If you read Fallon as a younger reader Second Sons would have been a bit too dry, I imagine. Admittedly I read all her stuff when I was 16-20 and enjoyed it, but I didn't properly appreciate Second Sons gritty, Romaniam-folklore vibe until rereading it in my twenties.

Also I hope you didn't read Tidelords too young cause woo boy some of that is lewd that moment when he finally fucks Arkady against a tree during a tropical rainstorm and it goes for like three pages

>>8543675
>Also I hope you didn't read Tidelords too young cause woo boy some of that is lewd that moment when he finally fucks Arkady against a tree during a tropical rainstorm and it goes for like three pages
I remember that. I waited for weeks for my copy of book 3 and 4 since they didn't have it at my bookstore so they had to order it in (which was extremely expensive) and I didn't really know what the internet was in those days.

I'm interested in the Elric stories, as much of it as possible. Everything regarding the Elric character and the Stormbringer sounds incredibly interesting. Where should I start and which books should I read?

>>8536090
Just finished the Silmarillion

Made me kek

>>8543317
Anderson is all ideas yes, for actual /lit/ fans it's apparent how weak his characters and overall narrative is. I always felt he should have written short stories instead of drawn out dull examinations of people. Good conclusions anon.

>>8543317
> I wouldn't care to read another Poul Anderson book
But Donkey, you will never experience the fun of "The High Crusade"!

>>8539931
Read the series up until its third installment, then I stopped reading

>>8541786
Felicia Day is my vaginal fantasy, mate.

>>8544106
Does her pusssy look like a camel too?

>>8538384
>inexplicably able to stiff-arm folks many levels above her pay grade
>superlinear power creep
absolute definition of mary sue. Still entertaining but it made me feel like a 10 year old a bit too often.

What is some good edgecore sci-fi

I want a utilitarian protag and no romance or gay moralising shit

>>8539363
>the painted man

Ok that's it. Now I know I can't trust /lit/.
I bought this book on audible and it was just garbage because it was generic fantasy trash. How the fuck can anyone recommend that shit is beyond me. I just can't enjoy non classics anymore because it's the equivalent of generic action edgy shit mainstream anime.

>>8544176
Don't group up the entire thread with that idiot. We all shit on him all the time

>>8544176
Every time he posts the chart we shit on the cretin.

>>8542234
Sorry it was a mix up then. Reply string confusion.

>>8544177
>>8544191
>we
Speak for yourself, I like chart anon.
Put up, or shut up. You finished or you done?

>>8544176
First book was okay, filled my post apocalyptic hunger. It's when they started the not-muslim shit, that I raged.

>>8542944
You're doing God's work anon. I would read the fuck out of that desu.
t. degenerate sanderfag

>>8544648
"We" as in people who aren't mongoloids. I didn't include you in the first place, cunt.

>>8537403
>'no'
>Book of the new sun
top lel

>>8537403
>Hyperion
>Only read the first sequel though
Great fucking call.

I'm still waiting for an actual interesting chart with books like Shades of Grey and Mythago Wood instead of the same dozen that keep getting repeated...

Fuck you genreshit reading mouthbreathing faggots, the OP image is so goddamned annoying, you're all embarrassing autists who should kill yourselves

>>8539508
>a predicted mass proliferation of nuclear technology that just didn't happen

Soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5VNnmAoIYI

http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0510071v5

>>8544985
You're welcome : )

>>8543994

I read the Wikipedia summary this time =D. It reminds me of a similar "futurebros land on medievalbros planet" story but I can't recall enough of it to name it.

>>8544163

"Tuf Voyaging" by GRRM.

>>8544977
I did this modern recs one (though it needs an overhaul), will probably make general purpose SF and Fantasy charts soon. Thinking about doing chronological, so it'd start with "dinosaur" authors like Verne or Eddison and carry through into CURRENT YEAR.

Anyone read the powder mage trilogy? Someone recommended it a few threads back and I need to know.

What the fuck happened to the third book? Did the author say fuck it and submit a rough draft and they called it a day?

>>8545102
>Sandkings
>Tuf Voyaging
Do you think GRRM regrets having cornered himself into slogging through a multivolume fantasy series? A lot of his pre-GRRM stuff was awesome.

>>8545417

I doubt it. He's made tens of millions from Game of Thrones. If he felt a twinge or two of regret for ruining whatever legacy you or I might consider that he had--or didn't have, considering we had never heard of him before--I'm sure a convention visit or two assuages it. I know it would for me, anyways. I might take a dip in my Scrooge McDuck money vault too, just to make sure there weren't any lingering aftereffects.

>>8545317
Felt like "oh fuck they want a series?!" syndrome to me.

>>8545445
Hell considering the HBO series has outpaced the novels, now he could just rewrite the TV script into a book and call it a day. And nobody would ever be the wiser since he's apparently given a plot outline to the scriptwriters or something.

>>8536788

Earthsea

>>8545552
Well, except for all the characters and plotlines that are totally different between the books and the series. Presumably none of it matters in so far as the final resolution of the plot, but you'd have to do at least some work explaining how things get from the status quo of the books to that of the TV series (with the wrong characters in the wrong places doing the wrong things).

>>8545552
What, and completely drop several subplots and book exclusive characters to no noticeable detriment?

>>8544838
Hey! It's one of those old timer fags. What are you doing out of bed so close late grandpa? Let your grandson get some sleep.

Currently halfway through The Thousandfold Thought at the moment. I've enjoyed the books so far, but I must admit, some of the anti-Bakker sentiment has got me worried.
Does he really become Goku later on?

Give me big spooky spaceships. I like big spooky spaceships.

I already read all the books you're about to suggest, so suggest something different.

>>8546061
Hull zero three.
All I read.

>>8546069
>I already read all the books you're about to suggest, so suggest something different.

>>8544977
>Mythago Wood

This seems pretty cool, would you reccomend the entire trilogy?

>>8545102
I think GRRM once said Tuf Voyaging was him trying to do Vance's Demon Princes

>>8543097
Anyone?

>>8546177
Read metro 2033.
Got the same feel as roadside picnic.

>>8546175

Hmm, interesting. I can't say I see the correlation but it's been a long time since I read the Demon Princes series. I wish someone would do audiobooks of the series.

>>8544176
The chart is bait man, half the recommendations are decent, the other are god awful
>>8544648
Neck yourself, your chart is shit. Why can't you trip so I don't have to see it every thread?

>>8546245
Just filter anonymous

>>8546245
>Why can't you trip so I don't have to see it every thread?

KEK
All your ass has to do is leave. Place will be much better without so many fucking fossils lurking about.

>>8546225
Ok, I've been meaning to check the book out; however, that doesn't really answer my question.

>>8546313
just filter your life wolfe faggot

Should I read Count to a Trillion?

>>8546322
I can't tell if you're a troll or an idiot

>>8546650
I tried to read an entire chapter of it and it sounded like the author copied and pasted a few wikipedia articles.

>>8546658
Ouch

Can someone recommend some scifi that actually gets you hyped for the future? Pic related

>>8538771
The first time I read through your post I read it the way I imagine you intended it to read (it was a differently ordered version of "getting through [name of the wind] is how to be a beta orbiter in my book" with the words chore and awful fitting in there some how).
Now after reading >>8538790
I can't read the salad post the same way, and now I don't remember how I had ordered it in my head to make your post make sense.

>>8546745
Ken Liu - the paper menagerie

>>8546825
I read it and the scifi parts sucked.

honestly, I'd take fantasy if I could find some that I like and haven't read, but there is precious little and this general only talks about epic fantasy

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