/lit/ - Literature

>>8530435
Why wouldn't you want your daughter to grow up with women to look up to in literature?

I hope you grow out if your hate, anon. That's no way to raise a little girl.

>>8530435
>her
You fell for the family meme. enjoy never escaping the fact that your daughter's going to suck some dick

>>8530435
>I have a 4 year old to whom I read every night and I'm slowly thinking about redpilling her.

Memes have gone to far.

No seriously, I'm legitimately worried.

>>8530439
I meant with traditional gender roles. She can be a strong character, but I'd prefer if it were in the confines of her home, serving her husband and family.

>>8530450
It's bait. No redpillers on 4chinz get laid, let alone reproduce.

>>8530444
>Being this unloved

>>8530435
Holky shit cucking your own daughter. Epic

>>8530435
Don't worry about what you're reading her. Having her dad molest her daily is going to keep her damaged and fearful anyway, as you like.

>>8530505
>if you're redpilled you're a pedo

Leftist ""logic""

>>8530435
Isn't the point of being redpilled to not live in a distorted reality and make decisions based on all available information?

>>8530794
Yes. Now realize that that does not contradict anything I've said.

Now recommend me some or take your political triggered feels elsewhere

>>8530435

Try some original Brothers Grimm and other traditional pre-Disney fairytales.

>>8530435
You're doing it wrong, op

this post made me sad. i fear for what you teach your daughter

>>8531581
then have a go at The Bloody Chamber

>>8530451
> but I'd prefer if it were in the confines of her home, serving her husband and family.

What are you going to do if your daughter doesn't want to have a family or doesn't want to serve her husband and family?

In our current age, that sort of early industrial era set up is completely unrealistic.

>>8530444
Why would he care that he's daughter will suck dick? Do you think your mother is distraught by the idea that you might eat some pussy?

>>8530800
But you're gatekeeping the information your daughter is exposed to, not letting her make decisions based on all information. She won't have any choice but to believe what you want her to.

>>8531851
Then I'll disown her provided she has turned 18.

>>8531870
That's the point. I will teach her a conservative lifestyle serving God, nation, family, and her race

>people who think this way are allowed to have children

I realize how paradoxical this may sound, but there really ought to be criteria for obtaining a marriage license--not in order to enforce political doctrine, but partially in order to stop those who can view the world only through politics from propagating. I suppose such a thing could only work in an enlightened Platonic Republic. Still, people like this are a blight, on the right or the left. There is so much more to life than what people are doing that offends you at this particular moment. I realize this is probably a troll, but people like this really do exist, and it is a tragedy.

>>8531858
I wish that my mothers biggest concern for me

i have no idea what conservatism even means anymore

>>8530435
Well Animal Farm, obviously, you can just tell her that the pigs are the good guys

>>8531884
>18th century liberalism
>conservative

>>8531896
Animal Farm was written by a socialist so I doubt OP would be interested. Orwell was very critical of Stalin but praised Trotsky and the anarchists in Spain.

>>8531904

>>8531904
Stalin had a lot in common with the facists, though, so there is that

>>8530450
He's obviously lying, no one on this board isn't a virgin

>>8530435
maybe Watership Down?

>>8530435
How does it feel to know your daughter is, at most, a mere decade away from receiving black dick?

>>8531884
>That's the point. I will teach her a conservative lifestyle serving God, nation, family, and her race

Then that isn't redpilled.

>>8531932
That's part of the things I want to avoid. I believe a nation can not prosper if it's ethnically homogenous.

As I've already said, she'll learn about this soon enough. She'll learn the sin of diversity and degeneracy

>>8531947
No woman can avoid the bbc

>>8531940
It really is.

Go back to tumblr, sweetheart

>>8531950
If you people have your way, sure. That's what I am aiming to avoid.

>>8531951
The idea of being redpilled is that you have read all the information and rejected it based on a reasoning. If you're just spoonfed information and you have no other source, then you haven't taken a pill of knowledge at all. You're just a pawn in the system.

>>8531955
You clearly don't understand women

>>8531947
>I believe a nation can not prosper if it's ethnically homogenous.

so you're a big fan of multiculturalism and diversity?

>>8531947
>homogenous

Did you leave out a "not" or do you just not know what that word means?

>>8531960
>>8531964
You know what I mean, retards

>>8531958
So I should let her adopt liberal beliefs? You must be out of your mind.

I'll take my chances and not do that, thank you

>>8531947
When your daughter gets older she will love the taste of big, black cock. She'll probably give you a race-mixed bastard grandkid with nappy hair and copper skin. Luckily by then it will be illegal to voice criticism of race-mixing, so any objection by you will land you in prison, where you can enjoy a multitude of black cocks being forced into you. Your daughter would truly be jealous of you then, but she'll probably cut all contact with you while she births more brown babies.

What will the state of your nation be while all this is happening? Probably one of destitution and desperation for all. Your daughter won't even be happy in her life, save the moments where she's being reamed by drug dealer dongs. White's will be a minority in her lifetime. God only knows what prejudice she will face, if she can survive that.

And there's absolutely nothing you can do to stop it.
So stop trolling /lit/ you permavirgin.

Read her Mikhail Bakunin's "God and the State". If there is any justice in the world, it'll teach her to rebel against reactionary bourgeois parents, who are resentful against proactive women, and feed this resentment to their children, to justify their own petty complexes and sell their neuroses as normal to uninformed children. Good luck!

>>8531947
This thread being bait aside, if one of you Cheeto-dusted mongoloids ever does somehow knock up a woman, know this: strict conservative parents always leads to guaranteeing your kid grows up to be feminist and sexually liberated. The harder you try, the more they will resist. You can take that to the fucking bank.

>>8531974
She'll do it on her own :^)

>>8531978
Why are leftists so obsessed with race mixing?

>>8531983
We'll see. I'll homeschool her to keep her away from liberal brainwashing

>>8531987
It's almost impossible to isolate her and she'll be influenced

>>8531981
PS does anyone else think it wouldnt necessarily be a bad thing if we had a revolution, and then a subsequent terror, simular to the Jacobins Terror in France or Lenins Red Terror, to weed out abusive parents who teach their children that they shouldnt emulate strong, independent women?

>>8531993
Key word: almost.

Also, you seem to want me to just give up on her and give her over to the globalist. Keep that cuck mentality to yourself

>>8531998
>strong independent
>women

Pick one, numale

>>8532003
It's impossibe. Not even the Amish are free of defectors

I honestly don't know who is trolling who in here.

But james fenimore cooper would be something you might be interested in OP, really any romance written before the civil war, american or english. If you want, look at early american literature about the seduction romances, they are all about how bad things happen to girls who have sex before marriage.

>>8531957
Redpilled and spoonfed are literally the same metaphor. You're given something, you accept it, you willingly swallow the pill and your worldview changes. If you wanted to say you were enlightened, or you learned the truth or you studied it, then you would. But no, the metaphor is blind acceptance, taking the drug you know nothing about in the hopes it will cure you based on someone else's urging, not your own knowledge.

Redpill is repeated so often by people who believe they are now smarter than the herd. But it is more like mindless submission. Even if the redpill worldview is the correct one you have still got there through ignorant pill popping.

>>8531957
But the system is clearly bluepilled and not redpilled.

Say redpilled beliefs in public and you will risk getting arrested and fired

>>8532057
Because it's sociopathic

>>8532057
>risk being arrested and fired
Not in america

>>8532064
Try going out and tell the truth about women and blacks, and see what happens

>>8531851
i think it's realistic, a lot of rich couples in the city include women who do nothing but relish their husband's wealth.

>>8532069
Nothing?
Note how David duke isn't arrested

>>8532079
not everyone can make their living as a far right pundit buddy

>>8532069
That they're just people living their lives?

>>8532098
This threa and subject matter isn't for you, kid.

It'd be best you leave

>>8532087
but your claim of complete oppression is pretty weak if someone who is well-known isnt imprisoned

>>8532101
You guys crumble so quickly in any kind of debate. How do you possibly expect to influence the hearts and minds of this generation?

HOLY SPOOKS BATMAN

>>8530435
>redpilling your daughter
>mfw she takes my black pill in a few years

>>8532108
Through Pepe and Lord KEK.

See how huge we've become on /pol/, and how huge /pol/ and /r9k/ are

>>8532108
With memes ya dip

If you really want a conservative daughter, false flag as hard as possible. Have her grow up thinking that her parents are a bunch of stupid hippies and she'll find the red pill herself.

>>8532120
so you've got your echo chamber, what good is that?

>>8530435
Eh every children's novel written before 1950?

>>8531886
Good luck finding anyone who can raise kids without pushing some form of ideology on them, you enlightened fedora (or subtle anti-natalist?). While op is a retard, the vast majority of children are raised this way, and the modern western reaction against it isn't enlightenment, it's just a shift of paradigm. Anyways, op, read her the quoran, hadiths and sunna literature.

Every time I see a faggot use "redpill" I just want to crush their windpipe.

>>8530794

No. It's now about being forced to believe in the bullshit /pol/ spews out of its collective asshole. If you don't go along with thd groupthink then you are wrong and voting for Clinton.

It has been bastardized and completely distorted.

>>8530435
I hope to God this is a troll, if not I really feel sorry for that poor little girl.

What is her MOTHER like? Is her mother in the picture? I assume you're married? Has a female companion and a woman's touch really not tempered you against this meme permavirgin assflustered redpilled fedora shit.

I simply cannot believe that any woman with a daughter is like "Yeah, show her some books where the woman stays in the house. That's where she belongs, I don't want my little girl getting ideas of becoming a doctor or anything like that."

Even the woodland critters shit is more excusable, but "Remember sweetie, your place in the kitchen."??

This HAS to be a joke, right?


You are a real man, bro. A father. Not a basement dwelling virgin.

This is so sad. Smh.

>>8530435
Do your daughter a favour: put her up for adoption.

>>8531960
>>8531964
We have met the enemy, and he is illiterate.

>>8532546
>>8532549
>>8532565
>>8532583
>>8532591
the numales are out in force today, I see

>>8530435
120 Days of Sodom.

>>8532599
Oh, fuck off.

>>8532613
Not an argument

>>8530451
>serving her husband and family.
The best way my wife serves me and my family is by getting her ass to work.

>>8530451
"Daddy I want to be a scientist!"

"No, stay in the house."

Kill yourself, prick.

>>8532617
Neither is "hurrr numales"

Also,

>watching the le bald, spanking single mothers meme cult leader man

>>8532622
>women
>scientist

Pick one, retard

>>8532617
>Not an argument
>lol numales haha

>>8532599

People that make fun of the 'numales' are often, surprisingly, more beta than the object of their ire. It's pretty pathetic, honestly.

>/lit/ is now a feminist board

Sad!

I like how in this whole debate you can either be a fucking caveman spitting out sexist bullshit or a fucking feminist slave who thinks females are holy, no middle ground at all

>>8532646
A woman's nature lends itself best to domestic matters. That's where the feminist numales in this thread go wrong.

They shouldn't take part in politics, art, etc

>>8532653
What are you basing your claim on? History?
Then a man's nature lends itself best to being can non fodder, I'm afraid.

>>8532679
Fuck me, can't even spell properly.

>>8532679
I was talking about the numales re politics and art

>>8532646
Females should just be treated like anyone else. Sick of this whole feminist things. Its simple. Just treat people on individual by individual basis on their own terms, unless their a dick. Don't put your own shit on them.

>>8532635
This. Whenever you see manly men who get loads of pussy, they tend to be respectful of both women and less masculine men.

>>8532637
Literature eventually bluepills you to the feminist position. It's only a matter of time.

That's how everyone knows the redpilled shit posters haven't actually read anything (other than that they rarely talk about books).

>>8532565
Even with modern technology, it fucking sucks raising kids and working full time. My mom worked 40-50 hours a week, only had two kids, and hated it. Most women, if they they were given an honest idea of what they were in for, would choose to work part-time or stay at home and have kids. And now thats rarely an option because modern capitalism created the "two-income trap".

All these pinkos make gender roles into this political thing when its mostly a matter of the division of labor within the family. Having the man work, and the woman stay home with the kids and manage the finances, is a more efficient division of labor that leaves everyone happier in the end. Its not about viewing women as retarded weaklings. Mary Tudor was Queen Regent of England 500 YEARS AGO, and her favorite pastime was burning political and religious dissidents at the stake. Sound like a society created by male permavirgins to keep women oppressed?

>>8532599
It's amazing how quickly they become angry just because someone wants to spare their child from ideological poison.

>>8532034
you're a fucking idiot. the "metaphor" is from the matrix and we wouldn't say redpilled if it wasn't relevant. neo was found because of his curiosity about the nature of his world, and he wasn't the only person that could have been the one, but it was him because he was already looking for it. You're right in that the pill suggests death, either of neo's will to continue and memory and accept his place, or the death of the illusion. But even in the movie the pill was a shitty metaphor, a visual gag from morpheus for neo's brain to accept what was happening and reject the simulation. The red pill ultimately represents the choice that neo was willing to learn the truth and accept it, which is sadly unlike your understanding of what the term means.

Oh, by the way, this is the fourth time we have had this conversation. did you know that this scene is parallel to the allegory of the fruit of knowledge in the garden of eden? Once adam and eve knew the truth, they were also cast out.

I swear there is more /pol/ leakage on /lit/ than any other board here, even /int/

>>8531982
As one of those children can confirm

>>8530435
Start with the greeks.

>>8531893
This.
Most people confuse Classic Liberalism for Conservatism.

>>8530435
I got ya'
- the Barsoom series by Edgar Rice Burroughs
-The Tarzan series, same
-The Narnia series by Lewis
-The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings
-the Space Trilogy by Lewis
-the Trixie Belden series
There you have it - plenty of books

>>8532625

>>8532899
Riding Pierre's coattails.

The Old Man And The Boy by Ruark

More of a boys book but it teaches life lessons and by establishing male roles hopefully she will understand hers.

>>8532731

>Whenever you see manly men who get loads of pussy, they tend to be respectful of both women and less masculine men.

This never happens though. Those 'respectful' guys are being unwittingly cucked as their 'progressive' girl hooks up with whatever gym-going Chad swipes right on Tinder.

>>8532896
In the US they are one and the same.

>>8530578
>Thinking OP isn't a childless troll
Go to bed. Adults are wasting time. No child is involved.

>>8532909
>girl hooks up with whatever gym-going Chad swipes right on Tinder.
This is a fantasy you've cooked up in your head.

>>8530435
I really hope this is just a shitty b8

>>8532910
>In the US they are one and the same.
No, they don't. That is part of the problem you see in the world in general and America in particular.
The definition of Liberalism is
>"the ideology that the primary or even sole purpose of the government/society is to maximize individual freedom and equality. Liberalism is divided into two very broad groups: those that focus on individual liberty, call Classical Liberals, and; those that focus on individual equality, called Social Liberals or Progressives"
That is a contemporary definition, which is the same as it ever was.
America was founded by Classical Liberals, certainly, but they were still Liberals and those that support their positions are also Liberals.
Friedman, Rothbard, etc. all openly discuss this in their own books about politics, America, etc.
The Overton Window of modern politics is extremely narrow and boils down to a vicious fight between to branches of Liberalism.

>>8532829
How smug and deluded can you be? You think people don't know one of the biggest grossing movies ever. You think you're the only one who has spotted a vague parallel with one of the most famous biblical stories? Oh and everyone that points out points out facts you don't like is one crazy person who stubbornly refuses your wisdom.

Face it, redpill means blindly swallowing some black guy's ideas then presenting it as an informed choice. Afterwards looking for a theoretical justification for your leap of faith is entirely optional.

>>8532931

It's a reality that real life attests to, time and time again.

>>8532727
>Females should just be treated like anyone else.
sounds like something a leftist numale feminist cuck would say

>>8532950
No need to be bitter.

>>8532950
You forgot "fedora", otherwise that's the full set of meaningless buzzwords

>>8532727
*they're

>>8532937
Yes, we don't disagree on these points, but my opinion is that mainline conservative opinions held by Americans are actually mostly influenced and are a product of Lockean philosophy, both in the religious and economic sense.

>>8532565
Not OP, but you need to get out more.
I have a wife - she stays home full time raising and homeschooling our 5 kids.
She and her many friends are all pretty opposed to their daughters wasting their time with a college education unless they have a burning passion for a particular field.
Protip: the entire world doesn't look like the narrow slice of people that tolerate your presence

>>8530435
Dante's Divine Comedy. Each group sticks to their own level of hell and no brave feminist protagonist to be found. Also it will probably fuck her up as you intend.

>>8531858
Fuck off femnazi.

>>8532957
I knew I was forgetting one.

> the entire world doesn't look like the narrow slice of people that tolerate your presence

this.
so much this.

>>8532646
Nothing in this thread involves lady worship, calm down you special snowflake.

>>8532975
Locke was a Liberal, like his concepts.
As someone on the outside looking in what I see a lot of in America is a political party (Republicans) that have a thoroughly Classical Liberalism mindset and outlook totally baffled by the large number of non-Liberal voters they are trying to get into the booths for themselves. Look how they struggle to grasp the energy of religious social conservatives that oppose abortion! This is a large, wealthy group of voters that are demanding *any* candidate to get behind and the Liberal Republicans cannot do so because they are unable to grasp the non-Liberal forces motivating these citizens.

>>8532983
Grow up.

>>8532977
>the entire world doesn't look like the narrow slice of people that tolerate your presence
An important point people should remember, but people should also remember the world doesn't look like /r9k/ memes say it does. My social circle includes highly successful women in various fields, as well as stay at home dads.

>>8532996
Well we agree- America is a country founded on ideals of classical liberalism and that their conservative party is just a different branch of liberalism. Social conservatives there have not had a candidate who aligns with their views since.... Regan?

>>8533006
>stay at home dad
This sounds so humiliating

>>8533019
It's the literary lifestyle.

>>8533010
Probably before that, actually. Hard to say.

>>8533019
Sounds fun.

>>8533020
Only because cuckoldry is so prevalent in literature.

>>8533023
Kennedy I'd say. He was a pious Catholic from what I understand.

>>8533019
>This sounds so humiliating
Yes, it is. I'd rather kill myself than do that. These guys tell themselves they're artists etc. and in fairness some of their art is good.

Then again it's the same for women, I don't know how any woman could stay at home and keep any self respect.

>>8533031
>I don't know how any woman could stay at home and keep any self respect.
>implying women have any self-respect to begin with

>>8532977
>I have a wife - she stays home full time raising and homeschooling our 5 kids.
your wife sounds like a cuck.

>>8531982
This. All of this.

>>8533031
>I don't know how any woman could stay at home and keep any self respect.
You're right; caring for and nurturing a family, giving them a warm, secure, comfortable home, a secure childhood, and a refuge is just, like, THE WORST, ya' know?!
And homeschooling them?! Such humiliation!
It would be far, far better to slap your children into a daycare where you pay strangers to make sure they don't starve and then move them to the school system where different strangers take over educating and raising them so the mother can work for OTHER strangers in a desperate attempt to earn enough money to pay for daycare and schools.
Laboring for strangers for a wage is MUCH less humiliating than caring for your own family.
Obviously.

>>8533042
You don't even know what that word means, do you?

>>8531982

Well then what happens if you're just some hippy parent who lets their kids do whatever they want? Buys them condoms for when they're fucking around, etc. Do they grow up to become strict conservatives?

I doubt it. Sounds like a lose-lose to me, desu.

May as well hedge your bets and be a strict parent, or at least moderately strict.

>>8531982
Unmitigated bullshit
If that was true New York would have no Orthodox Jews, Utah would have no hard-core Mormons, and Chicago would have no traddie Catholics.
And Alabama would be chock full of atheists, not Baptists.

>>8533050
>You don't even know what that word means, do you?
noone does

>>8533053

A surprising amount do grow up conservatives actually. They usually hippy around in their teens, then by their 30s they've realised that their parents were fucking losers and struggle to not go down the same path.

>>8531982
There's a difference between just enforcing ones own bigoted opinions upon someone (more so on the left this is prevalent, really) and teaching a child about discipline, sacrifice and custom.

>>8530435
Is this your daughter?
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1474320329563.webm

Also, Kipling. And Twain. And Dickens.

>>8533045
It's humiliating because it's lazy and it isn't most people's passions.

Daycare isn't that expensive and it is more economically beneficial to society than half the population staying at home, because you pool your kids together, and you still raise them when you aren't at work.

>>8533053
There's nothing wrong with condoms. Your kids are going to have sex whether you give them condoms or not, better that they have them than they don't.

>have lots and lots of kids
>decide to homeschool them
>pull the playpen into the front room, in front of the big tv
>stream infowars and freedomain radio all day every day
>get lectures from da da when he comes home on the world menace, the Jew, the lost cause of the civil war, why the nazis should have won both world wars, etc, etc.
>everyone will receive weapons training
>everyone will partake in a bug out drill 3 times a day
>girls will learn to make the house and please their husbands
>no internet, tv, or phones
>all literature I'll be approved by me
>no nonwhite friends or white friends with different worldview allowed
>diet will entirely consist of patriot power greens, whey, brest milk, and Alex Jones filtered water

what am I missing bros?i don't want them being cucked by the system. pic related, it's what I hope to have once all the hard work pays off.

>>8533031
Being a stay at home mom is so hard when the children young. Like, before school age.

>>8533088

>Your kids are going to have sex whether you give them condoms or not

I love how Liberals claim to have reason on their side, and then spout faux-truisms like this.

>>8533084
>letting other people raise, educate, and discipline your own flesh and blood
is there any higher cuckery than this?

>>8533090
Some SUPER MALE VITALITY, you scrub.

>>8533105
>Denying your child social interaction with other children and knowledge from outside sources because you're scared of ideas from other people's brains and don't trust your own ability to raise a child who can reason and think for themselves.
>Not cuckery.

lol,

>>8533094
They will though. Most people lose their virginity before age 18, and it has been this way for centuries. Church, family, paterfamilias, matrons, it doesn't matter who tries to control it. Once those hormones start flying, and once that teenage rebellion sets in, you can't control it unless you physically tie them up and watch them constantly like a hawk.

I certainly wasn't encouraged to have sex as a teenager, but I definitely did it.

>>8533123

>I did it, so, uh, everyone does and it's always been this way

Citation Needed.

>>8530435

>/pol/tards are breeding

Poor child. Must be tough having a father who unironically uses the term redpill

>>8533077
Twain used the word 'nigger' in his stories, sure, but he was a huge advocate of the abolitionist movement during his time.

>>8533131
>What is common human experience
>What are survey statistics
>What does anthropological/historical inquiry find.

You can't be this stupid.

"However, the 2005 Durex Global sex survey found that people worldwide are having sex for the first time at an average age of 17.3, ranging from 15.6 in Iceland to 19.8 in India"

>>8533141

>lefty/pol/tards are breeding.

Poor child. Must be tough having a father who unironically uses the term bourgeois

>>8533157

>Surveys statistics

That's a contradiction in terms, bub.

>>8533149
Doesn't change the fact his books are great for kids, and while not exactly redpilled, not leftie either.

>>8530435
Looks like we've trolled our way straight to Hell boys. Impressionable, sheltered types should not have access to the Internet.

>>8533168
Explain.

>>8530794
That's what makes it so ironic. All the idiots who think they're "redpilled" are some of the most delusional motherfuckers around.

>>8533162
>/pol/
>left

>>8532069

Clearly you're not redpilled. There's nothing inherently wrong black people. There STASTICAL things wrong with them, but those things have direct causes such as the welfare state and anti-western ideologies and obviously the fucking jews.

The redpill man attacks the source, not the symptoms.
The black guys in Blacked.com aren't the problem. It's the jews that produce and film it.

>>8533184
Lurk forever.

>>8533191
Lurk elsewhere.

>>8533058
Those are long-standing groups and even they sometimes fail to retain people. Some random redpillfag on his own doesn't stand a chance.

>>8533189
>There STASTICAL things wrong with them

Do you even think when you type?

>>8533198

Statistical*
if you couldn't decipher it yourself

>>8531982
Actually, religious and political socialization are pretty heavily studied and the meme that strict religious/conservative parents = liberal kids is pretty much only a myth since the Second Demographic Transition.
Very Liberal parents have a socialization rate of about 60% while Very Conservative parents have a socialization rate of a little over 80%.
So - the reverse of what you are talking of is closer to the truth
>See Kauffman 'Shall the Religious Inherit the Earth?' and others

>>8533084
>It's humiliating because it's lazy and it isn't most people's passions.
Sweet heavens, you haven't even thought about the words coming out of your mouth, have you?
>A mother staying home cooking, cleaning, shopping, educating, etc. = lazy
>A single woman getting $100k in debt to just teach = productive!
>A woman with her own housecleaning service = hard work!
>A woman running a day care = economic bonus!
Hiring women to replace a stay at home mom who does NOT also homeschool would cost more than the median household income, friend. Add in tutors and poof! six figures, easy.
>Daycare isn't that expensive and it is more economically beneficial to society than half the population staying at home
You measure worth by paycheck?

>>8533088
>Your kids are going to have sex whether you give them condoms or not
Says who?
a huge percentage of children raised religious remain virgins until marriage, dork.
>this is /lit/, you should read a book

>>8533090
What you will actually get is this pic

>>8533105
Nope.

>>8533045
>You're right; caring for and nurturing a family, giving them a warm, secure, comfortable home, a secure childhood, and a refuge is just, like, THE WORST, ya' know?!
There's nothing wrong with it morally speaking, I' just saying it sounds like the most miserable soul destroying humiliating experience ever and I don't know how anyone could put themselves through it and claim to have any shred of self-respect.

>>8533251
>a huge percentage of children raised religious remain virgins until marriage, dork

I would doubt that even half of religious people remain virgins until marriage.

>>8533254
That's a nauseating photo.

>>8533248
Alls I know is I had one of those rare mothers who stayed at home and didn't have a job growing up, (my dad wasn't around either), and she found it humiliating, the fact that she didn't have a job.

I think it's lazy for people not to at least do a minimal amount of work, even if they do have kids, even if they are a woman.

>A mother staying home cooking, cleaning, shopping, educating,

Sounds like a fucking miserable existence for anyone, man or woman.

>>8533257
>caring for and nurturing a family, giving them a warm, secure, comfortable home, a secure childhood, and a refuge

>the most miserable soul destroying humiliating experience ever

I mean if you wouldn't want to do it yourself, I can understand. I don't want kids myself either. but can you really not see how it might be fulfilling for someone else? probably more fulfilling for them that anything you've ever done has been for you, to be honest.

>>8533284
I'm not that same anon, but yes, you're right. But that doesn't mean you should be expecting and demanding that all women find this lifestyle, in this day and age, an acceptable or fulfilling one.

>>8533284
>can you really not see how it might be fulfilling for someone else?
Not directly, but I can accept if they say it is. I don't expect everyone to be the same as me.

moar like cuckservative i am rite

>>8533189
>DA JOOOOOOOSE
This is the exact kind of persecution complex you'd see from some tumblrite with a made up gender.

Just go full crazy person and read her Nietzsche and Carl Schmitt before bed. Start with Zarathustra.

Or just If You Give a Mouse a Cookie.

>>8531884
Christianity is inherently anationional and race. You aren't Christian, you're a heretic. We are evangeline, not dividers.
>>8531886
Fascist

>>8533118
>>Denying your child social interaction with other children and knowledge from outside sources
Translation
>I know nothing about either stay at home families OR homeschooling
GSS, Pew, Gallup, and several studies by academics and the US military all show
-children with stay at home mothers are healthier, happier, less likely to suffer from mental illness, less likely to be bullied, less likely to use drugs, less likely to commit crimes, and more likely to volunteer, more likely to graduate, more likely to go to college, and more likely to graduate college.
-Homeschooled kids have a better education across the board, are more open to learning new ideas, are more likely to speak a foreign language, less likely to cheat on tests or exams in college, are more independent in thinking, are much more likely to fraduate college
-Homeschool kids are MUCH better socialized than public school kids. Repeated studies in the US and Europe show that homeschool children score much higher in every area of socialization and to be more proficient in approaching ans speaking to strangers and were more comfortable in interactions involving people of other cultures.
Hell, one of the reasons the Ivy League actively recruits homeschoolers is because they have far fewer problems socializing!
>it is almost like you don't know what you are talking about

>>8533157
...
You do realize that the survey you cited points out that more than half of the world IS a virgin at age 18, the opposite of your original claim?

>>8533257
>I think personal incredulity is an argument!
FTFY
see
>>8533248
Years of actual analysis show that SAHMs are the most satisfied and happy.
So.... once more
Your preference != how the world actually is

>>8533266
Doubt away!
I hear there are people who doubt the world is round, too.

>>8533254
They look like a bunch of libcucks, except for second from right. It looks like the indoctrination took with that one.

>>8533378
Out of all religious people I know, literally none waited until they were married to lose their virginity, despite having harsh, strict parents.

>>8533394
They look like a conservative right wing family to me l

>>8533274
>those rare mothers who stayed at home
the lowest percentage of stay at home mothers ever was 23%; today the number of mothers who are stay at home moms is about 33%.
It isn't rare at all.
>My mother was humiliated raising me
Once more,
the entire world is not just like the handful of people you know.

>>8533373
Except that there are a huge amount of women who hate the idea of being a stay at home

>>8533254
They look like a bunch of socially liberal, theistic, cucks. Except my man with the bowl cut, second from the left, it looks like the indoctrination took with him.

>>8533295
Who said they are?

>>8533413
and a huge number who don't.

>>8533360
No it doesn't you innumerate retard

>>8532618
kek

>>8533417
The OP

>>8533399
>My personal experience = the entire world
that was boring the first time.
How about I call up a guy I know that grew up in an Orthodox Jewish neighborhood and everyone HE knows waited for marriage?
Whose personal anecdote will win?

>>8533373
>>I think personal incredulity is an argument!
Do you even understand the word you're using?

>Years of actual analysis show that SAHMs are the most satisfied and happy.
Yes, and scrubbing toilets could be the most rewarding thing in the world. I'd still find it humiliating.

>>8533412
>anecdotal experience is worthless

It isn't. You only have to look around you. Maybe where you live it's considered a good thing, but in my experience and in my culture, people who don't work, even if they look after kids, are considered lazy.

>>8533429
Scrubbing a toilet isn't humiliating, it's hygiene. Don't you wash your toilet? Or do you humiliate someone else?

>>8533413
...which is why 33% of all mothers are stay at home mothers?
....which is why 55% of women state that 'children are better of with a parent who stays home'?
...which is why the percentage of women staying at home to raise children has been increasing for years?
You make no sense.

You're obviously an idiot but a child should be given a good cultural basis for later life. Read her mythology and Harold Bloom's jnr Canon

http://www.mrbauld.com/bloomjr.html

>>8533425
OP
>talks about how he wishes to raise his own children
That isn't "all women"
>fucking people

>>8533429
>I hate hard work and hygiene
Well, so much for your opinions.

>>8533426
This is a forum. Personal anecdotes are perfectly appropriate for this level of discussion and this retarded of a topic. And your analogy sucks by the way, obviously people in specific communities behave different ways, but it seems wilfully ignorant of you to deny that a great deal of religious people don't wait until marriage. It's just human nature to fuck, simple as that. Belief in God doesn't stop people from succumbing to sex as teenagers. And I think I've known quite a lot of religious people who are quite representative of the religious more generally.

>>8533437
Pointing out that your narrow personal life !+ all of the planet is not only something you gladly admit is true, it is not the implication that anecdotal experience is worthless.
You people are on /lit/ - why is critical reading so hard for you?

>>8533446
I know from personal experience, from knowing women, and listening to women, and reading women's thoughts. Also those statistics seem made up. Source or stop repeating them.

>mfw this entire thread exists
how can /r9k/ fags even blame women for avoiding them? I mean even the most retarded idiots have figured out that you have to be nice if you're not atttractive, not hateful and retarded.

>>8533467
It's actually you who is struggling to read between the lines, buddy.

>>8533472
>reading women's thoughts

>>8533439
Do you have autism?

>>8533472
I did cite sources - you should pay better attention.
Try the Pew Research analysis on stay at home mothers to begin

>>8530435
A Child's Garden of Verses, Robert Louis Stevenson. Not originally meant as such, but now is, by default.

>>8533475
And a hearty laugh was had by all.

>>8533446
>...which is why 33% of all mothers are stay at home mothers?
So 66% aren't. I think it's fair to say that's a huge amount. Even if we say that half of these are secretly dying to stay at home all day and do laundry, it would still be a huge amount.
>....which is why 55% of women state that 'children are better of with a parent who stays home'?
Entirely Irrelevant
>...which is why the percentage of women staying at home to raise children has been increasing for years?
Also Irrelevant

>>8533483
Do you? After all, you find scrubbing toilets humiliating.

>>8533493
>So 66% aren't. I think it's fair to say that's a huge amount.
BZZZZT!
Moving the goalposts and losing the thread, penalty...
well, we don't dare deduct any more of your sub-par IQ.
Original contention was
>there are a huge amount of women who hate the idea of being a stay at home
when the majority of women (55%) state that 'having a stay at home parent is good'
You are pointing to the wrong statistic and have nothing to support your contention except your own unsupported assertions and rank speculation.
In other words, you got nothin'.
let me guess - Communications major, right?

>>8533494
>After all, you find scrubbing toilets humiliating.
Most people do. It's up there with garbage man, burger flipper and whore. One of the jobs you tell your kids to study so they can avoid. There might be some shit cleaners who think they are doing the noblest thing ever but I know that if I was looking at a future of cleaning someone's shit for the rest of my life I'd put a bullet in my head.

I'm sorry if you're a janitor or some shit and I've hurt your feelings, but if someone asked me what I did for a living and I said I cleaned toilets, I know I'd feel a pang of embarassment.

>>8533476
What.. can't you do that too?

>>8533505
You seem to think you've been talking to a single person. You're not btw

>>8533505
>Moving the goalposts and losing the thread, penalty...
not the original poster

>when the majority of women (55%) state that 'having a stay at home parent is good'
Irrelevant. I think having a stay at home parent is good but I would hate the idea of being one. You're conflating two completely different things

Even if we were to take your autistic idea that everyone who thinks having a stay at home parent is good wants to themselves stay at home, your still left with 45%, which is a huge number.

basically you're an idiot

>>8533494
It is humiliatng f you're the designated toilet scrubber and you just clean everyone else's shit while your husband gets a nice cushy job in an office or something, flirting with the Secretary, having drinks after work, and your just the poop cleaner, cleaning his poop while he never cleans the toilet once.

>>8533494
It is humiliating if your just the sole designated toilet cleaner, while you husband goes to work at his nice office job, flirting with his secretary, having after work drinks, and your just at home scrubbing his poop on your hands and knees, and he doesn't ever clean the toilet because that's your fucking job because your the shit bitch.

>>8533559
Sure, but that's not humiliating because you scrub the toilet.

>>8533512
>It's up there with garbage man, burger flipper and whore.
I am very literally laughing out loud.
Someone who pretends to be an adult that ranks food, waste disposal, and janitorial in there with being a whore!
I love running into guys that despise honest work.
Let me speculate here, but I bet I am close....
You got a lot of pressure from your overbearing mother to focus on school and get goodd grades to get into the best possible college to get a 'decent job'. You never did any chores or had a job because you had to 'focus on school'.
Your grades were average, even with all that focusing, and you were careful to avoid the toughest classes. You never spent a lot of time with girls, either, because of your mother's overbearing ways.
You like to think of yourself as 'gifted' but an 'underachiever' because you are 'bored' (and may have used that to try to convince others that you are smart despite tour B- average). You have never taken a formal IQ test and never had a teacher suggest one.
Your grades and lack of extracurriculars meant you had no shot at a top school so you went to the closest land-grant, telling people it was to 'save money'. You took the pre-reqs in math and realized it was really hard so you went for a Liberal Arts program that you thought sounded 'intelligent' and ended up with a lot of people
just
like
you
Your are taking 6 years to get your degree, your grades aren't good enough to justify grad school, but you are still thinking about grad school because the idea of getting a job is terrifying to you.
In the meantime your only source of solace is the idea that the blue collar guys making $28k-$32k to start at the age of 19 are stupid and bad and their jobs are humiliating because otherwise you have no justification for NOT getting a job and having a little money and taking on less dbt.
And you wonder why some mornings it is hard to get out of bed, and why you put off that paper until the very last minute then rush through it, and why you didn't study just a little more for that test you could have gotten an A on, if you tried.
And you are terrified that you mother will look at you with That Look if you graduate and can't get a nice job in a cubicle in a tall building making juuuuust enough to pay back your student loans, guy a Starbucks once a week, and pay a little (a little) rent.
But you know you probably won't get one, what with no experience and no real skills.
But after all that pressure from your mother....
Sure, every garbage company is hiring, and for good money. Sure, every janitorial is hiring, and for good money.
But it would be *dirty*, dirty like a *whore*. Just like the whore your daddy ran off with.
Right

>>8533514
Only with my wife

>>8533523
>>8533537
>not the same
Then it is worse
I can find no actual research on 'women who hate the idea of being a stay at home mother'
I CAN find plenty on the number os SAHMs and how many of them find it great, and how many working moms wish they could stay home.
Again, as I point out, saying
>huge amounts of women hate the idea of being a SAHM' is unsupportable.
How many various ways need I repeat this fact?

>>8533599
Wrong on every count. The only thing more desperate than an ad hominem is a wild stab in the dark ad hominem.

>Someone who pretends to be an adult that ranks food, waste disposal, and janitorial in there with being a whore!
I think you completely missed the point. The humiliating aspect isn't the literal substance you're dealing with. I'd be much happier being a chef than a burger flipper, likewise I'd be much happier being a plumber than a toilet scrubber. I'm really starting to think you might have autism.

>I love running into guys that despise honest work.
If by honest work you mean manual labour then no. I sometimes work on a farm, or help out chopping trees and building dry stone walls. In the summer I help build stages and sometimes work on fishing boats. All rewarding in a way that flipping burgers for some dickhead junior manager is never going to be.

>>8533599
Fuck

>>8533662
>I don't know what 'ad hominem' actually means
FTFY

>>8533662
Then why did you claim doing that as a mom would be humiliating?

If you want your kid to be the way you described, the best thing you can do is not teach her how to read

>>8533681
>Then why did you claim doing that as a mom would be humiliating?
I said that I would find it humiliating to be a stay at home mom. I later gave cleaning toilets as an example of another job that somebody might enjoy but I would find humiliating. If someone enjoys being a stay at home mom or cleaning shit, more power to them. It sounds awful to me though.

>>8533704
What a poor troll
>being a stay at home mom is humiliating
>scrubbing toilets is humiliating
>flipping burgers is like being a whore
>but I like manual labor! I go on fishing vessels and work as a farm hand
So being a garbage man for a corporation = being a whore but mucking horse stalls for Farmer Ted = fun?
Peddle the stupidity on /r9k/, they might buy

>>8532937
Roger Scruton's book Meaning of Conservatism does a good job of fleshing out this point.

>>8533197
If a Hasidim/Mormon/TradCat couple has 8 kids, and only 3 stay in the religion, then that's still a higher rate of growth than the secular population, which is replacement level (2 per couple) or lower.

Every day I see evidence that hitler was right
Change my mind

>>8531870

A 4 year old doesn't get to make decisions.

>>8533774
>So being a garbage man for a corporation = being a whore but mucking horse stalls for Farmer Ted = fun?
Yes, I've worked for a big corporation and it was soul destroying and I worked for my neighbour and it was pleasant. What don't you understand?

>Peddle the stupidity on /r9k/
No thanks m8, /r9k/ is a shithole.

>>8533924
and that has what relevance of any kind to stay at home moms?

>>8533940
>and that has what relevance of any kind to stay at home moms?
As I said originally before everyone got ultra-triggered, the idea of being a stay at home parent sounds terrible to me. Maybe it sounds great to you, but not to me.

>>8533924
So being a stay at home mom who works for her own family... Is nothing like working for a corporation?

>>8533970
It's like working for a corporation in that I don't want to do it. We've been through this already.
>>8533704

>>8533970
Let it go - I am pretty sure he's this guy
>>8533274
No father, his mom resented staying home to raise him, he's a mess.
People can hate things for no reason

>>8534035
Different poster. My mom works in a library. My Dad is still around.

I don't get why everyone is so triggered by the fact I would be embarrassed to stay at home all of the time.

>>8533848
Judging from my own experience and every large traditional Catholic family, the rate is closer to 100%, especially as time goes on.

>>8534086
It just strikes many people as odd. I mean, you can like or dislike anything you like for no reason (as I said).
But I can likewise conclude that you are foolish.

>>8534110
Same here
>Big Catholic family
>Oldest son goes to college, is wild and fucks a few girls
>Graduates, marries a nice girl, back to being Catholic
>Catholic girl and boy break the rules, start fucking
>She gets pregnant
>BOOM! Married, both in Mass every weekend, 9 kids
And out of 8 kids only one or two get wild - the rest are just Super Catholics.

>>8534128
Fair enough. I didn't think it was a controversial opinion and I didn't think there would be so many people who would be happy to be a stay at home parent. Especially on /lit/.

Just out of curiosity, would you be happy to be a stay at home parent for your whole life?

>>8534163
My wife has dibs on that but no, it wouldn't.
My mother was a SAHM and I know how much she did not just for us but for the extended family and the neighborhood.
My wife's friends are all SAHMs and the do a tremendous amount of work.
Here's an example from a friend of mine, paraphrased
>"So I get home from the office and ask my wife what she did all day, and she said,
>"Oh, I got up,. made breakfast for the kids, dressed the little ones, and set them off to do their morning readings. Then I ground 20 lbs of wheat berries into flour and baked five loaves of bread. While the bread was baking I made two pies and swapped them out with the bread. Then I made lunch for the kids"
>"Then we cleaned up the entire house and I read their book reports. I then covered history and math with the older kids, handwriting and reading with the younger kids, and then we did a science experiment. I put the little one down for a nap and finished knitting that sweater for your sister's birthday while the kids played."
>"Then we picked up all the toys, grabbed two of the loaves and one of the pies along with a frozen meal and we ran it over to the Smiths because they have the flu. The kids were sade they couldn't play."
>"We got back and I made two dinners, from scratch, one for us and one to replace the frozen meal I sent to the Smiths. "
>"Other than that I just sat around all day crocheting a blanket for the winter"
I simply can't grasp someone referring to that as 'doing nothing' or 'being humiliating'.

Besides, I work from home so I am very close to that anyway

>>8530444
Kek

>>8534233
I'm not saying that your wife does nothing or that should feel humiliated, only that I would in her position. Again, not trying to make any statements about what your wife should or shouldn't do, indeed I didn't realise there was a personal aspect for you and I'm sorry if I offended you.

As I said before, I don't understand your wifes motives or ambitions, I don't know what she takes pride in or what allows her to respect herself. I'd imagine as a woman and especially as a mother it's very different to what works for me. I wouldn't hold any of her ambitions against her. All I'm saying is that I would not be content in doing the same things she's doing. It would not bring me satisfaction the way it does to her. It's not the only lifestyle I don't understand, and I accept that people are different to me, as I said here
>>8533297