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Recommendations:
>Fantasy
Selected: http://i.imgur.com/r688cPe.jpg/
General: http://i.imgur.com/igBYngL.jpg/
Flowchart: http://i.imgur.com/uykqKJn.jpg/
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What's your favorite book with robots?

Do we see enough automaton-based fantasy?

Are the robots our future?

>Sci-Fi
Selected: http://i.imgur.com/A96mTQX.jpg/
General: http://i.imgur.com/r55ODlL.jpg/ http://i.imgur.com/gNTrDmc.jpg/

>> No.8498987

>>8498819
I haven't ready any sci fi with cool robots. Any recs?

>> No.8498989 [DELETED] 

Hang whitey!

>> No.8498990

>>8498819
>http://i.imgur.com/r55ODlL.jpg/
>Consider Phlebas
>not Player of Games or Use of Weapons
meme chart desu

>> No.8499030

I've tried reading Jack Vance's Dying Earth and his writing seems pretty bad. Big disappointment since he's been touted as a huge influence on a lot of writers.

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8499035

>fuckers are thanking others for books that I memed to stardom
Looking at you coldfire anon.

>> No.8499044

>>8499030
>Jack Vance
>bad writing

Lmao wtf

>> No.8499059

>>8499044
I just opened the ebook, clicked randomly and here it is - "out of all cognizance". It sounds unnatural. And it's wordy, but I don't think that's the main problem. For instance, I read the 1st book of Brust's Khaavren Romances and the wordiness didn't bother me too much.

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8499072

>>8498819
Nice pic

>> No.8499077

>>8499030
>>8499059
The Dying Earth was Vance's first novel, written in the 40s and published in 1950. He was still writing significant works (Cadwal) into the 90s.

I would never recommend getting into Vance with Dying Earth for this reason. Put down it down, and read The Dragon Masters (short) or To Live Forever (longer) instead.

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8499078

>>8499059

>I just opened the ebook, clicked randomly

you're chatting shit. Start from the beginning and read it or don't.

wolfe's prose is fine. if you don't like his style, that's fine too.

>> No.8499085

>>8499030
It is not bad, but it is stylized. You need to get in sync with it. The good news is that once you've achieved Vance-lock you can read any of his books with the same mindset.

>> No.8499090

>>8499078

i confused wolfe and vance for obvious reasons. Yeah, vance isn't as good technically, but I like his writing.

Start from the beginning and give it another go. It's short anyway.

>> No.8499184

>>8499035
Guy who read coldfire here, there's so much shit in your chart that I'd never read something off of your rec

Sorry la

>> No.8499230

>>8499085
Vance is not that stylised but it does remind me of that invisible style manual that some people who write fanfictions (the non porn kind and especially the shorter ones although sometimes the longer ones have it as well) seem to enjoy. Opulent descriptions of the environment, a greater density of metaphors and similes, a deliberately expanded vocabulary, a more careful consideration of the dialogue and some fiddling of the tenses from time to time.

The only difference between Vance's writing and that fanfiction style is that the fanfiction ones can seem abrupt or forced (although one or two authors seem to make the prose sound effortless with the stylisation toned down a notch - it's a real shame that these ones are not published authors) and the other is like watching an absurdly well choreographed dance performed on roller skates.

>> No.8499264

>>8499184
>Guy who read coldfire here
I read and enjoyed Coldfire too and hated other bits of the chart. There's some real good shit there and some really bad shit but I've gotten more hits with that chart and people mentioning things in /sffg/ than trawling through the Goodreads hovel.

People on Goodreads somehow manage to have even worse taste than the folks on MyAnimeList, the awful rating scale and the bizarre hateboner people have for some authors is a part of it.

Moreover, whoever thought that a book scale rating out of 5 needs to be shot. It should be 10 minimum or if I had it my way it would either be out of 100 or a percentage to four significant figures. A rating of 3 or 4 means absolutely nothing and I've never seen a single book that is rated under 3.5. All the 'import your amazon purchases' and 'buy a book here' links just make Goodreads seem like a blatant cash grab to sell shitty fiction.

>> No.8499286

>>8498987
There's a really cool main character that's a robot in Claw of the Conciliator. There's also a robot nun and soldier robots in book of the long sun.

>> No.8499298

so now that i've gone through the hard-luck hank audiobooks - amazing guy who did those - i've no idea what to read for a more humorous experience. already read lems stuff and asimov /ellison but not really much else that isn't "serious".

>> No.8499326

>>8498987
check Asimov's I robot, it's a classic also he has a lot of short stories around 20 pages which are also pretty good, i recommend the biggest and most awesome sci fi book series ever - Foundation.

>> No.8499355

>>8498987
The Cassandra Kresnov series by Joel Shepherd is about a android soldier who runs away because she wants to be human. The author's other series, The Spiral Wars, introduces a Berserker AI as a character in the second book and is seems to be angling towards a big confrontation between two fractions of Berserkers that everybody thought were long dead and gone.

I had The Machine Dynasty series by Madeline Ashby recommended last time I asked about robot characters. Haven't started it yet though.

>> No.8499403

Any thoughts on Peter Hamilton's books? Been thinking of picking up The Reality Dysfunction for a thick timefiller.

>> No.8499459

>>8499403
Reality dysfunction is definitely bretty gud. Takes a while to get going but it's pretty fucking fun as a whole.

His other series, the Commonwealth saga is fucking awesome, one of the best Sci Fi series I have read.

>> No.8499468

wew my fucking ereader broke

Not looking forward to trying to work out exactly where I am in multiple books when I replace it

>> No.8499472

As a spinoff of the question about robot characters, does anybody know of any books where there are no "organic" characters at all? ie, everything is artificial life?

>> No.8499492

>>8499472
The Bionicle novelizations.

But those are meant for children and I haven't read them since I was ten or something so I don't know how well they hold up.

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>>8499030

I love Jack Vance but "The Dying Earth" is not even his best fantasy: the Lyonesse series is. As >>8499077 notes, he wrote these stories in the Forties. They were notable in their time for the uniqueness of the setting and Vance's system of magic where the caster can only memorize a handful of spells that are single-use. Only later (late Fifties) does Vance develop the dialogue that is the compelling reason to read him today.

If you are intimidated by obscure words, you are likely not going to enjoy Vance. If you are allergic to dictionaries, you should take a look at recent fiction, especially fantasy Sanderson?, as it is geared to a far, far more limited vocabulary. Reading Vance is equal parts instructive and entertaining: that's why so many writers cite his work as influential.

>> No.8499502

>>8499403

I have read "The Reality Dysfunction". It features a lot of gore--GRRM in space--but the worldbuilding was okay. The protagonist is a Mary Sue who sleeps with every female he encounters, which may or may not interest you as entertainment. The antagonist is probably the most interesting part of the book.

>6/10 space opera

>> No.8499781

>>8498987
Hyperion does the "God-like" intellects of robots well, although they are the antogonists kind of

>> No.8499812

>>8499035
People are not thanking you, and rightfully so, because the disparate quality of the books listed makes the chart all but useless. But by all means, keep spamming it. Watching you grouse about how people don't give you enough kudos is entertaining, in a slightly sad way.

>> No.8499831

>>8499812
Not him but if you don't like it then edit it or make your own. I was annoyed at some of the OP charts and wanted to make my own, but realised I hadn't read enough and decided to hit the books again.

>> No.8499856

>>8499298
You could try GRRM's "Tuf Voyaging" stories, they're kind of funny and better than ASoIaF

>> No.8499892

>>8499831
I've already made a chart, it's one of the ones in the OP. When I find a couple more works worth adding I'm planning to post an updated version, though I expect that won't be for a while.

>> No.8499909

>>8499493
>>8499077
>>8499085
Have any of you guys read Durdane? I picked it up for like 40c at a book fair one time, and it's sitting on my shelf, gonna get around to it soon but it'll be my first book of his.

>> No.8499921

>>8499403
pete is pretty divisive, for good reason. even if you end up loving his books (like many do, me included), you'll still be able to point out stuff you dislike or even hate.

his books, then, all follow the same rough patterns of his weaknesses and strengths, which he has barely improved since he started writing. his strengths are things such as:

his biggest strength is probably mind blowingly awesome world building. he makes worlds that are not only interesting and unique, but that actually make logical sense, are completely believable, and are described with believable characters inside those worlds. to go a step further, the Commonwealth universe is for me easily in the top 5 fictional universes ever, out of any genre or even medium. the way he describes it initially, and then bamboozles you by setting another trilogy in the same universe, but 1000+ years later, and it still makes complete sense how everything evolved, blew my mind so hard the book covers are still sticky cuz of cum.

he is mediocre at characters. very good at presenting characters you can relate to, and characters that have their place in the story. there will probably always be that one or two characters you just have to know more about because they remain interesting and somewhat mysterious even though they've been POV characters for a long while.

but they always end up being pretty static, i.e. they don't evolve over the course of any books and they are relatively lacking in nuance.

>> No.8499928

>>8499921
>>8499403
>cont.

imo all his books contain some characters that are superfluous and serve as kind of walking cameras to show you some minor aspects of the story that could've been incorporated in a more interesting matter by better authors.

one of his biggest weaknesses, imo, is his terrible pacing and verbosity, which together create long stretches of his books that could undoubtedly be packed into a dozen pages without losing any information (in the mathematical sense) whatsoever, and you'll often skip through paragraphs only glancing at the words to get on with it, because you know you won't lose much by doing so. he really couldnt be concise if his life depended on it.

also his endings tend to fall flat. you're really in it for the journey and getting to know the world, vs. the revelation of some all meaningful ending to the story.

>> No.8499935

>>8499928
>>8499403

>cont

also, it's worth pointing out that his Night's Dawn trilogy vs. commwealth are pretty different, it's common to hear people liking one and hating the other. if you don't like one book you should def. give the other a shot.

also, skip misspent youth, it has almost no relevance to any of the commonwealth series and isn't recommended reading for any reason.

>> No.8499943

>>8499468
I can't get into e readers. maybe I've only used terrible ones (got the cheapest kindle one), but there's just something uncomfortable about holding that rigid pad vs. holding maleable books in your hand.

also it's kind of satisfying to see the pile of books growing on my night stand, until I store it somewhere else at the end of the year. it's like a tangible representation of what I've experienced. no doubt there's a bit of elitism involved, too, I wouldn't mind strangers walking into my room and seeing how much I read.

>> No.8499982

>>8499492
Shit, I might get back into those, fucking dug Bionicles as a kid. The universe Greg Farshtey created was pretty alright as far as stuff that got posted on the OG Bionicle site, might get my hands on a few of the old books and see how quality they are.

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8499984

>The hardest thing for me is to pick a book to read

Does any one else feel this?

>> No.8499988

>>8499984
You mean out of your backlog? Or find one at all?

I find it very hard to find something I want to truly read, most stuff I feel pretty lukewarm about

>> No.8499994

>>8499988
Finding a new one. I wish I had a backlog ;..;

It's the same old story with me:
>Don't ever judge a book by its cover

The problem is that I almost always do that when it's fantasy and it never works out. The books either surpass or come bellow my expectations.

>> No.8499995

>>8499892
It's funny that I'm the one who upped your chart to the OP.. and mine is hated on, and you turn your nose up on mine.

>> No.8500000

>>8499994
I tend to have a very good feel whether I will enjoy a book or not before I start it. I just don't know *how much* I will enjoy or hate it. I have a couple books lined up that I'm sure I will like but I also know that they won't blow me away so I'm stalling them for something "better". It's an eternal struggle.

I want more unique books like Shades of Grey...

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>>8500000
Thank you /lit/ for actual conversations and not just dubs, trips, quints and all that jazz.

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>>8499921
>>8499928
>>8499935

>> No.8500035
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8500035

Bought all the New Sun serie.


Fuck you /sffg/!

>> No.8500049

>>8500035
Haha another one fell for the meme.

>> No.8500131

>>8499909

I have not. I believe it's the only series of Vance's that I haven't read.

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8500266

post your fave sci fi pics

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8500276

>>8500266

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>>8500276
not fiction but

>> No.8500279

>>8500276
How the fuck do that boat and skyscraper not collapse under their own weight?

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>>8500278
Here a better version.

(Stephen Baxter wrote about these large-scale structures)

>> No.8500284

>>8500279
SCIENCE!

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8500348

>>8500283
spess

>> No.8500353

>>8500348
I don't have that in my sky

>> No.8500360

>>8500348
>>8500353
space confirmed for not real

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>>8500353
>>8500360
illoominaughty

Oddly enough the unlayered version is too big to post

so heres a screenshot of it

>> No.8500400

faggots

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>>8500266

>> No.8500409

Moon-watcher is my nigga

>> No.8500444

>>8499943
I've already got two full bookshelves and extra boxes full

I don't have the space
Plus even though I break an ereader every year an a half it's still cheaper than buying books because of how much I read.
Even secondhand there's postage costs and the local libraries are getting worse every year

>> No.8500507

>>8500035
Instead of listening to chart anon, you listen to the pseudo elitist that try to make themselves out to be more read and world weary.

Got what you deserve, listen to the minority (but very boisterous) section of sffg that says there is nothing good in modern books at all, and that you should only read 1980 or before fantasy and sci-fi books.

Get fucked.

>> No.8500526

>>8500507
Bakker is the same mate, and he's modern.

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>>8500408

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>>8500526
What's your thoughts on this? >>8499035

What books do you guys think I'm "trolling" you with?

I know a lot of the sffg regular users are lawyers, professors, teachers, bio technicians and are married with kids and a mortgage.

A lot of the books might not mesh with you because you read WoT and Book of the new sun when it first came out.

I see how you few are slowly conditioning this general to be a safe place for you to discuss old books of your teenage years. Books, which your modern counterparts don't like as much as you did.

You berate anyone who doesn't share your nostalgic trip in time, and you belittle any book you haven't read yourself as "YA" or "edgy".

You then try to only discuss Vance, Wolfe or Lem.
This shit needs to stop, you are bringing down the general into an infinite loop of the 3 same shit that affects outer lit

>> No.8500706

>>8500507
But chart anon has Gene Wolfe too.

>> No.8500812

>>8500706
so chart anon was a hack all along?

>> No.8500858

>>8500690
>You then try to only discuss Vance, Wolfe or Lem.
>This shit needs to stop, you are bringing down the general into an infinite loop of the 3 same shit that affects outer lit
Please don't try to chase those anons away. They are at least capable of interesting discussion. Yes they do indulge in the occasional shitpost (don't we all?), but I've read far more in the way of analysis from them than those that prefer newer books. Wolfe appears to be a meme because there are multiple anons here who have read his work and are willing to waste time engaging in discussion and composing long posts. Perhaps those who dislike this need to step up? Shitposts will not help your case, but a lively forum could push those 3 authors out of the limelight. You just need to build critical mass somehow, by convincing enough debate minded anons to read the books you like. I'd try this myself, but I mostly like reading what others have to say :3

>> No.8500869

Informal strawpoll.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11211161

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>>8500654
What's the book version of "The Fountain"?

What's the best Sci-Fi Novella?

>> No.8500880

>>8500869
You're a retard

>> No.8500898

How would people classify the original Foundation trilogy on the sci-fi scale?

while it certainly portrays a space opera vibe, especially the sections on or involving Trantor, I think it covers much more ground. Is there a word for books involving political intrigue and large scale conflicts? Potentially even post-apoc, in the sections where the galaxy is in decline. I had the idea it might be "hard-social science", given its themes of society's and civilisations collapse and rebirth. Most hard science novels obviously cover physics or biology, but could Foundation be to political/social science what Tau Zero is to physics?

Just finished it on the train home and my heads buzzing.

>> No.8500988

>>8500690
>You then try to only discuss Vance, Wolfe or Lem.
I'm part of the newer gen, from the 90s and 2000s. That said, Lem, Wolfe, and Vance, are leagues ahead in terms of quality, than the vast majority of major popular contemporary authors of science fiction.

Readers of Lem and Wolfe also tend to provide better analysis than the fans of modern works can provide themselves, as >>8500858 noted. I don't think that's elitism, but the truth is, they provide better results.

If you don't like Wolfe, that's fine. If you value this board even a little, try to avoid being overly negative about things.

>> No.8501010

>>8500878
Couldn't possibly name just one, but try Starmaker by Olaf Stapledon

>> No.8501066

>>8500898
Sociopolitical or psychohistorical science fiction. Other than that, I think space opera covers it fine. Why reinvent the wheel?

I'll rate it.

Characterization and emotional response--even if limited to the wonder of the sense of time scale, gets a 6.

Writing is a 6.5. Concise and clear, but dry.

Themes touched on, and sheer imagination gets an 8.

Overall a high 7.

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>>8500266
more of his sci-fi stuff here: http://kuldarleement.eu/

>> No.8501243

For a novel about magical dolls House of Blades is really fun

It's a Sanderson style action novel with everyone having magic ripped from anime but the author actually knows how to pace a book

And it's in glorious single POV

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>>8501241

>> No.8501256

>>8501243
Love how the hero of prophecy is such a naive twat in that

>> No.8501293

I love it how people still think I'm responsible for all elitism and Wolfe/Lem/Vance posting after not posting in here for over a month.
I also find it funny how I'm still accused of being 60 years old (I'm 22) and how I never discussed newer sff as something good (which is almost true because I only liked Golden Age, out of a small amount of new sff I've read).
>>8500035
Enjoy it. It's absolutely fantastic. If you will have questions, feel free to ask, but try making a specific thread, those are always higher quality discussion.
As for something I only realized relatively recently, read an article or two on Aquinas on Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. New Sun is very thomistic, in fact, I don't think I'd have an understanding of it without it as far as the 'feel' goes. Wolfe did an outstanding job at weaving a plot around the very specific philosophy which is hard to comprehend to the modern reader.

>> No.8501309

>>8498987
I,robot and Caves of Steel by Isaac Asimov are the shit. Basically required reading if you want to read sci-fi with robots.

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>>8499035
I don't browse lit a whole lot, but is there a reason why I'm not seeing Wheel of Time here? Is it hated by this general for some reason?

>> No.8501402

>>8501393
Nigga it's like the most read fantasy series outside of lotor/asoiaf, it's not very good and it's way too long for a generic heroes tale.

That chart's not the best anyway but I couldn't earnestly recommend wheel of time to anyone. Plus anyone looking for fantasy recs should already at least know about the biggest series in the genre

>> No.8501425

>>8501393
>>8501402
I think I sound a bit too harsh with "not very good"

WoT is good enough, if you can tolerate Jordan's females and repetitive descriptions then it's fun. But the issue is recommending something longer than sodding Proust when it doesn't really have any standout qualities besides being a really long adventure

>> No.8501494

>>8501393
It's 10 times the size of say Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser, but has half the content. It's thousands of pages that can be simply ripped out and nothing is lost.
Sadly, there isn't an abridged version, of say 4 volumes.

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>>8501425
>>8501402
I'm only on book 2, but sofar I'm having fun, my mom has been recommending it for a while, and she already has all the books so I really don't have an excuse not to I guess.

I heard Sanderson is a good place to start after I finish this series. It's pretty cool 4chan has a decent literature board, desu

>> No.8501507

>>8501494
>Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser
Hibernating long? :3

What have you read most recently that was at least mildly enjoyable?

>> No.8501521

>>8501507
Gulag Archipelago, parts I, II
Endgame
Waiting for Godot
The Quiet American was disappointing after End of the Affair, but not bad.

>> No.8501536

>>8501504
>I'm having fun
>reading for fun
You're doing it wrong. You're on /sffg/ you have to read to feel superior

>> No.8501544

>>8501536
No, you read literature to feel superior. You read quality pulp to have fun. You read bad pulp because you have shit taste and for some reason actually enjoy reading thousands of pages of dull, lifeless novels about world building autism.

>> No.8501549

>>8501504
Sanderson's a pretty fun author,

He actually writes the last couple of WoT books so if you're okay with them you might as well give him a go.
>>8501536
desu I automatically feel superior to people being smug over what type of sff they read because I read other genres as well

>> No.8501586

>>8501521
>Gulag Archipelago, parts I, II
This actually looks very interesting, and is available on archive.org. I might just read it, thanks.
>Endgame
>has no legs and lives in a dustbin

I guess I should have been more specific. What sff have you read recently that wasn't terrible?

>> No.8501627

>>8501586
Not much really. In fact nothing in three weeks. The Vanishing Tower by Moorcock. It's nice if that's what you want. The prose is repetitive and mediocre compared to other great pulp authors, but it's entertaining ironically because of how edgy and melancholic it is. The only actual character is Elric and the series as a whole grows less and less interesting with each installment, because it's more of the same. I've read The Land Across by Wolfe and it was not bad, pulpy and fun, but also incredibly disappointing because you always want more out of him. Before that I've read 2 Le Guin novels, The Dispossessed and The Word for World is Forest. The first was too political and hence at times incredibly annoying and also needlessly long (similar to Left Hand of Darkness) as it explored the themes in say 200 pages but goes on for 300. Also read Dying Earth volume one and was pleasantly surprised by how well it reads and how emotional it was.

>> No.8501636

Blindsight is fucking weird.

And I can't belief I get stressed out and annoyed about my prose being readable while I'm lying here with this mess of published words in my hand. Watts has done nothing but wow me with the plot and ideas so far, and he makes up his own vocabulary fairly well (Although it has shortfalls, "inlays"?) but gosh he cannot write.

He's Canadian he should know at least how to structure paragraphs, although I'll admit he writes good speech so maybe he's not all bad.

It's fucking good though. Once I got past the vampires thing.

>> No.8501652

>>8501636
Shit prose and great ideas is the core of hard sf

>> No.8501673

>>8501652
>>8501636
Amen

>> No.8501781

>>8501393
It's discussed pretty often. The consensus is that it's way too long, and that an initially entrancing 1-2 books bog down into a multi-thousand-page slog that most feel compelled to grind through out of sunk-cost reasoning.

The people that bought into WoT in the early 90s at least could tell themselves that maybe Jordan would finish the series and blow everyone away, but we now know that isn't true.

Also, WoT arguably damaged the whole genre by demonstrating the potential profitability of authors spending decades writing interminable "epics" padded with technically unremarkable writing.

>> No.8501813

>>8501636
>Once I got past the vampires thing.
If it had just been "a hidden subspecies that has secretly been preying on other humans for centuries" no one would've raised an eyebrow. Contextualizing it by saying "yeah, those legendary creatures you have heard about were actually based in reality" should've made it more interesting, but since it happens to be vampires, it sets people off. Twilight and all that fetishistic shit ruined a perfectly good bit of folklore for everyone else, basically.

>> No.8502041

What is the /lit/ consensus on The Great Ordeal?

I know Bakker is pretty divisive. I have read the first trilogy and started the second, but dropped it in the beginning, it was different and I didn't like it.

Curious what people think of the later one, is it as great as the first trilogy?

>> No.8502060

>>8501293
Little summary on the importance of thomism for understanding New Sun?

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>> No.8502133

>>8500507
Do you even actually pay attention to these threads? Obviously not considering that the sffg immediately prior to this one had a poll in the OP that showed that Wolfe was voted the best author of science fiction with over 90 votes. Liking Wolfe is a plurality stance and as close to a majority as we're likely to get. But of course, whoever discusses what you dislike must only be a small but vocal minority.

>> No.8502193

Calibre's built in reader is suprisingly alright on a small laptop

Not as good as an ereader but alright until my new one turns up
>>8502041
Bakker fans seem to like it
People who dislike him haven't been won over

>> No.8502531

>>8502125
Man fuck the Aspect-Emperor. Akka is the only hero I need.

Also fuck Brandon Sanderson, he's shit.

>> No.8502639

>>8501243
>House of Blades
Chart anon here.... will report back

>> No.8502646

>>8501293
All of Golden Age, or the first one? Been seeing mixed reviews on books two and three.

>> No.8502651

>>8499921
>>8499928
>>8499935


Thanks for the analysis, it sounds just like what I'm looking for, a sprawling, entertaining space opera.

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>tfw starship captain falls in love with enemy telepath and doesn't get exiled to siberia

>> No.8502671

>>8502659
She got "BUGGED" right?

>> No.8502677

>>8500690
How many confirmed kills to those fellows have?

>> No.8502688

>>8502671
I'm going to say, Yes?

>> No.8502709

>>8502646
The last two aren't quite as strong--partly I think the setting's novelty wears off, or at least Wright decided to tone it down a bit in the interest of telling an actual story--but they're definitely worth it imo.

>> No.8502827

>>8502671
>>8502688
No, wait, I'm slow. She's the telepath, and there isn't any bugbuggering.

>> No.8502938

Maybe I've already experienced terminal exposure to this stuff, but I suddenly feel the desire to read a book with the female alien MC falling for a human starship captain/whatever. Preferably written by a female. Any anons here got a line on this?

>> No.8503107

>>8501393
WoT gets talked about but a lot of the elitists in /sffg/ turn their nose up at it. It's a popular series and there's a few regulars who are reading it currently. So if you just post about whatever book you're on you'll probably get 2 or 3 people responding. I've learned to just tune out all the snobbery.

>> No.8503247

>>8502060
I think it is. Of course you can get the plot and Severian as a character and a myriad of other things, but this would be also helpful.
>>8502646
The first two are much better than the third, but you'll want to know the end, even if you skip a chapter here and there.

>> No.8503399

>>8503107
>WoT gets talked about but a lot of the elitists in /sffg/ turn their nose up at it. It's a popular series and there's a few regulars who are reading it currently. So if you just post about whatever book you're on you'll probably get 2 or 3 people responding. I've learned to just tune out all the snobbery.

Eating shit gets talked about but a lot of the elitists in culinary forums turn their nose up at it. It's a popular delicacy and there's a few regulars who are eating it currently. So if you just post about whatever entree you're on you'll probably get 2 or 3 people responding. I've learned to just tune out all the snobbery.

>> No.8503405

>>8503399
No man, it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that its drivel, it's all the elitists fault, because it's popular (of course that's only the case for WoT and Asoiaf and not other popular works like Lord of the Rings or A Scanner Darkly or The Brothers Karamazov or Ulysses).

>> No.8503418

>>8503405
Ah I see! I've heard of this conspiracy before. Fucking Tolkien and Herbert trying to bring...Jordan? is that his name? I seriously always forget...down!

>> No.8503441

Hey guys, I wondered if anybody could give me some suggestions? I'm very new to fiction and have only read 2 fictions in the past 10 years.

I like books on philosophy, science, psychedelics, music and eastern spiritual beliefs.

I recently read A Scanner Darkly and it was incredible, I had never appreciated fiction in the past but found Philip K Dick's writing fantastic, I'm about halfway through Do androids dream of Electric Sheep now. I wondered whether anybody could suggest some science fiction which may appeal to me based on my interests listed above. I very much enjoy the introduction of new technologies or structures within society, this is what's drawn me in with Philip K Dick so much. I enjoy the very dystopian cultures and the new struggles/obstacles faced within them in science fiction but I do not have much/any interest in fantasy or books that would play out similar to Star Wars. I like the books to make me question things a bit.

Thanks for any suggestions, highly appreciated.

>> No.8503443

>>8503441
Blindsight

>> No.8503453

>>8502193
>People who dislike him haven't been won over
Why the fuck would you read the 6th book if you already dislike him?

>> No.8503497

>>8503441
Robert Silverberg - A Time Of Changes
>A humanoid society which forbids referring to the self in conversation, believing that it encourages indulgence, self-pity, and corruption

>> No.8503533

>>8503453
I don't know why one would go through it after the first trilogy or even the first novel.
>>8503441
Le Guin wrote a lot of eastern inspired works, World for Word is Forest and Earthsea.
Dick is very psychedelic, but don't read him too much in a row, he is very, very repetitive, almost as much as Lovecraft.
Golden Age has a lot of pseudoscience and pseudophilosophy, it's pretty fun.
Gene Wolfe is in my experience the most philosophical sf/f author generally knowledgeable of his sources, he's very thomistic in his Sun novels.
Stanislaw Lem is th best hard sf that I've read, Solaris seems like something you'd like.

>> No.8503590

>>8503443
Seconding this finished blindsight at 5 in the morning today after reading it all in one go and fuck me, it was incredible.

For philosophy I recommend The Thing Itself by Roberts
For science of course it's Tau Zero.
Eastern believes I'm not sure about but try the Three Body Problem, which is next on my list

>> No.8503621

>Idiots from /r9k/, /pol/, /mu/, /reddiit/ queue up to shitpost.
>Sudden wave of people who "just happen" to not appreciate New Sun.

No coincidence there really.

>> No.8503631

>>8503621
>le "Haha if you don't it you're dumb or reddit XD" meme
Kindly kill yourself and take your shit tier writer with you.

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What other books are like Evangelion?
Read list so far: Blindsight, Solaris, The Broken Earth and Hyperion Cantos.

>> No.8503635

>>8503632
イリヤの空、UFOの夏 is inspired by it.

>> No.8503638

>>8503635
Thanks anon.
I try to stay away from light novels, however, because I can't read japanese.

>> No.8503650

>>8503632
Try Blindsight or Solaris

>> No.8503651

>>8503650
I've already read them, sadly enough (and echopraxia too)

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>tfw finally finish The Last Legends of Earth
Well shit, won't get a book like that again for a long time, I reckon.

>> No.8503657

>>8503651
Then try Hyperion

>> No.8503659

>>8503657
>listing books off my read list
Please no bully.

>> No.8503672

>>8503632
None of those books are anything like Evangelion.
>>8503621
It's probably more /v/, /a/ and /tg/, the Evangelion light novel reader's post related.

>> No.8503683

I finished solaris and though it was great , which lem's book should i read now ? 'm looking for something as "intelligent" as solaris

>> No.8503686

>>8503672
>/v/, /a/ and /tg/
There's only been 3 noticeable vg related posts lately, and almost nothing a or tg related, other than the usual tripe.

tv could have, but almost nothing in their direction either.

>> No.8503693

>>8503686
The usual tripe of /tg/ is what, half of these threads?
The way they communicate is identical to bakker/jordan/sanderson posters.

>> No.8503712

>>8503672
In my eyes, they are. To oversimplify:

Blindsight almost literally has a Gendo-esque vampire, a similar protagonist as well as being thematically similar in terms of isolation/fear/loneliness/empty spaces and Rorschach exhibits startling similarity to the Angels. The Earth is also in a similar state - dystopian and hostile.

Lem's Solaris explores extremely similar themes to Blindsight as well as hallucinations, the suicidal inclinations of the protagonists and the unknowable/unknowing is important as well as philosophical considerations such as an exploration of what is God/celestial beings and whether their intentions can be considered in human terms.

Hyperion is similar to Evangelion mostly in the more religious undercurrents and the discovery of self/inspiration and the use of symbolism. I also greatly enjoyed the prose (especially the characters of Keats, De Soya and Sol) of Hyperion and although it's not too similar to Evangelion it explores themes in a way as refreshing as the anime.

TBE: post apocalyptic, child abuse/misuse and children as weapons and a consideration of the actions which precipitate the ruination of society. Also, altruistic actions can cause catastrophic effects reminiscent of the Third Impact.

It's not so much as a 'clone of the anime' as a book with something different or unique.

>> No.8503713

>>8503693
but they don't have to be from tg idiot

fantasy trogs are the same 2 dimensional mouth breathers everywhere

>> No.8503726

>>8503713
I guess you are right. But the transition from /tg/ to /sffg/ seems like a natural one.
>>8503712
So basically none are even remotely similar to evangelion, but they very, very vaguely share themes?
Because nothing about depression and suicide is teen angst and the religious themes don't even exist in evangelion, it's just randomly chosen symbols and words.
These 'similarities' are vague to the point you could find hundreds of novels in no way remotely related to be 'similar'.
Uuugh Grahm Greene has like religion and suicide, so similar to my favorite anime xD
Oh man Dostoevsky too has religion and like depressed autists and 14 year old waifus :P

>> No.8503782

>>8503657
Kek that got a chuckle out of me

>> No.8503786

What's all this /tg/ hate? It's a bitter fucking board to /lit/ that's for bloody sure.

>> No.8503798

>>8503726
>Greene
>Dostoevsky
They aren't science fiction and they aren't similar at all to Evangelion. Greene deals with the post war fallout but it isn't particularly speculative.

I don't care about waifus and actually hate romance. Evangelion is fascinating because it eschews typical genre conventions and has an interesting way of framing the plot in several scenes (The first Hyperion is interesting because it essentially a collection of short stories, each one contributing to the whole, TBE is interesting because the narration is believed to be three narrators, Solaris' narrator is extremely unreliable. )

And simply because a story is post-apocalyptic or scifi it doesn't make it Evangelionesque. A Canticle for Leibowitz, is overly focused on religious matters as well as having a gently meandering story as well as being focussed primarily on uncovering relics from the past and isn't as insular as the other novels I've listed.

>> No.8503802

>>8502125
So true

>> No.8503831

>>8503786
Fuck off to /tg/ then.
>>8503798
>They aren't science fiction and they aren't similar at all to Evangelion.
Science fiction isn't something defining as to the core of the story in case of evangelion. It could have been set in a number of other settings without much being lost since its essentially a psychedelic story about teenagers. He could have been on drugs and it could have been completely realistic with the same characters.
>Greene deals with the post war fallout but it isn't particularly speculative.
Neither is evangelion. It's not very comparative to the speculative aspects of science fiction, if we take say Le Guin or Lem as examples.
>I don't care about waifus and actually hate romance. Evangelion is fascinating because it eschews typical genre conventions and has an interesting way of framing the plot in several scenes.
Sure, but that doesn't make it similar to those books. As far as that goes as well as the themes, characters and plot it's far closer to Iron Dragons Daughter which is also about playing around with tropes and fucked up teens.
>And simply because a story is post-apocalyptic or scifi it doesn't make it Evangelionesque. A Canticle for Leibowitz, is overly focused on religious matters as well as having a gently meandering story as well as being focussed primarily on uncovering relics from the past and isn't as insular as the other novels I've listed.
Canticle isn't focused on uncovering relics of the past. It isn't even the focus of the first part, which is really the only part which has that.

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Hi friends. I made a thread, but was directed to this general.

I'm in the mood for some post apocalyptic stories, but I'm more interested in the setting than the apocalyptic event itself. I've read The Road and some other less relevant works, but never really explored the genre much.

I like the idea of a person/ground/community trying to survive in this PA world. "The Book of Eli" setting is a good example of what I'm after.

I'm going to buy "Metro 2033". Are "I am Legend", "Emergence", and "The Stand" any good? I read a lot of good things about "The Stand".

Suggestions and discussion, please.

>> No.8503850

>>8503786
I'm fine with /tg/. If there's hate between lit and tg its just between the lower portion of angsty idiots. Everyone else just watches and wonders why the sweaty nerds are hand wriggling at each other

>> No.8503851

>>8503833
Lucifer's Hammer
Canticle for Liebowitz
I Am Legend is good, the other two are not, The Stand being complete trash.
For something more exotic, Dying Earth and Book of the New Sun are recommended.

>> No.8503867

I can't seem to find the guide to the irc for books, trying to get lost fleet: Invincible, nothing on torrent sites, and google has stopped being useful a long time ago.

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>>8503851
>mfw people are subtly bridging people into reading Mr. Wolfe sama san senpai

>> No.8503873

>>8503786
>What's all this /tg/ hate? It's a bitter fucking board to /lit/ that's for bloody sure.
Some posters of late (like 5 threads) have decided that they want to be elitists

Hence how Gene Wolfe is now some kind of fucking battleground instead of just being a good author who some people don't like

>> No.8503875

>>8503833
Metro 2033 rocks, but the sequel (2034, duh) doesn't really do very well. If you enjoy metro then you've got to at least read a bit of Roadside Picnic.

As for other post apoc, I'm not too familiar but Ballard writes some good albeit strange stuff. Try the Drought.

>> No.8503881

>>8503833
Earth Abides was a very early example and is excellent. A big hook for me was that the survivors weren't super engineers or even really that special or smart. Great descriptions of the world without people, too.

I liked the ones you listed, but haven't read Emergence. I also enjoyed the Postman, but many people here seem to dislike it due to its cheese.

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Missed the /sff/ images from last thread so here's a few of my own.

>> No.8503885

>>8503873
>Some posters of late (like 5 threads) have decided that they want to be elitists
Threads by /tg/ers? They can't even be elitists. Just from the way they post it's apparent their opinions couldn't stand in water.

>> No.8503887

>>8503833
Ballard's interesting

The Drowned World/The Burning World/The Crystal World

Drowned world's interesting because the protag likes the apocalypse
Crystal's interesting because of what the threat is
>>8503867
http://ebook.bike/books/158670

Isn't the guide a stickied thread?

>> No.8503888

>>8503873
>Some posters of late (like 5 threads) have decided that they want to be elitists
But that's always been here, maybe there was a short pause. After all, I've been posting here since the first thread.
>Hence how Gene Wolfe is now some kind of fucking battleground instead of just being a good author who some people don't like
He's always been a hot topic. It's nothing new.

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>>8503884

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>>8503891

>> No.8503908

>>8503833
>>8503881
Fug also Alas Babylon and Canticle for Leibowitz

>> No.8503919

>>8503831
>Science fiction isn't something defining as to the core of the story in case of evangelion. It could have been set in a number of other settings without much being lost since its essentially a psychedelic story about teenagers. He could have been on drugs and it could have been completely realistic with the same characters.
The oversimplification of 'psychedelic drug induced story' could have been just as applicable to Solaris or Hyperion or any author with a remotely rationalistic (as opposed to purely emperical - think most fantasy, most soft scifi or soft scifantasy) approach to story telling. Granted, the quality bar for anime is significantly lower than that of a book (as Evangelion in itself is riddled with the anime equivalent of pagefiller and arguably poor art from an /ic/ perspective) but most individuals would probably find a listing of four books and one anime grouped around a similar concept more palatable and less restrictive than a listing approximately 30+ cherrypicked themes.

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>>8503902
Don't want to spam so this'll be my last, au revoir

>> No.8503933

>>8503919
Solaris and Hyperion are not psychedelic at all. And yes, they can be oversimplified, but not to that. Saying that The Dispossessed is about capitalism versus anarcho communism is an oversimplification, but it isn't wrong.
Evangelion is a psychedelic story about teenagers, there's more to it than that of course, but that's what it's mostly about.
Cherrypicking themes and finding vaguely similar books is what is necessary to compare Hyperion and Solaris to Evangelion because they aren't grouped up around similar concepts, hell I couldn't compare Hyperion and Solaris as similar, let alone Evangelion.

>> No.8503935

>>8503921
No one cares jackass, just stop.

>> No.8503938

>>8503935
>liking fantasy
I'm so, so sorry.

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8503959

Best books that combines Sci-Fi and Fantasy?

Perido Street Station comes to mind.
What else is there?

>> No.8503966

>>8503959
Peridio Street Station has awful writing. It's characters are too weak to carry an 800 page novel in which 3 pages are spent on describing a falling pot with dull and lifeless prose.

>> No.8503973

>>8503933
Ah well, I guess it's better to read widely than to try and pick out specific concepts in such a heterogenous genre like scifi anyway.

>> No.8503977

>>8503973
* heterogeneous
I'm slowly but surely becoming dyslexic.

>> No.8503989

>>8503966
I see you've recommended better books instead

>> No.8503996

>>8503989
I did, many times in this very thread. Like, multiple times.

>> No.8504002

>>8503989
>>8503996
Lol, tell that faggot

Also,
>Improving a shitty board

>> No.8504007

>>8503996
I don't see any. Just the usual crap books like Wolfe.

>> No.8504009

>>8504007
>>>/tg/

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>>8504007
I have just the book for you :3

>> No.8504040

>>8504032
Is that Iron Dragons Daughter evil feminist twin?

>> No.8504066

>>8504040
Maybe?
Is "DRAGONED" feminism?

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>>8503888
>Wolfe
>hot topic

>> No.8504204

>>8504096
Not a bad meme. I wonder if I can get Marc to send the pepe and this stuff to Wolfe. I don't want to send it to him personally via PM.

>> No.8504225

>>8504204
send my spice and wolfe one too please, i'd like to know a little more about what he thinks about the ideation of the female represented in two dimensional form (though I suspect the dancing girls in fifth head were at least partially anime inspired).

i literally would not have made them, if wolfe's protagonists weren't so thick headed about women, all due respect xP

>> No.8504661

>>8503399
>>8503405
See this is the kind of snobbery I was talking about. You can safely ignore everything people like this say, they never contribute meaningfully to these threads.

>> No.8504671

>>8504661
>disliking shit books is snobbery

>> No.8504686

literature is not even in the top 3 of artistic mediums best suited to tell SF/fantasy stories anymore

>> No.8504773

>>8503887
Thanks friend, sticky guide isnt liading for me, but maybe its just a mess because im on mobile

>> No.8504795

>>8504686
what, you got a buzzfeed list for us?

>> No.8504843

>>8503959
The Iron Dragon's Daughter, the cogweaver trilogy

>> No.8504935

>>8504686
I bet you think "video game" is a storytelling medium. Let's just agree to disagree and not get into an argument everyone knows to have no other endpoint.

>> No.8505213

>Shallan gets what's her faces ring
>Starts using the magical email reeds to tell her brother
>Brother compliments her for having the common sense to not immediately run back home with it

I'm so sick of Sanderson fellating this cunt as being so clever and intelligent when she's nothing more than that kid who replies to everything with dad sarcasm.

>> No.8505258

Any fantasy novels featuring tall women or giantesses?

>> No.8505268

>>8505258
Literally Book of the New Sun.

Several actually. One's a priestess, one's a princess, one lives in the sea.

W-why are you asking this?

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>>8505302

>> No.8505312

W-what...

O-okay man.

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>>8505308

>> No.8505388

>>8505268
Probably not why new sun has them.
It's not a very fetishistic novel.

>> No.8505482

>>8504686
Unless you can find a better way to convey knowledge than a college textbook, hard sci-if will never find a better medium than text

Unless we're combining mediums, but that's lazy and, dare I say, cheating?

>> No.8505496

Blindsight is fucking amazing.

But yet again I fell I've missed the point. Obviously the idea of counciousness is the headline of the novel, and while I did find the ideas he presented interesting, it was ultimately the transhuman principles which held my gaze. The idea that people would deliberately alter themselves through prosthetics or giving themselves split personalities for the cause of a greater intellect is fascinating. I wish he had touched more on these themes.

Also while he writes clearly enough during exposition and most dialogues, Watts prose was really starting to fall apart at the end of the novel during the exciting conclusion. I wish he structured sentences a little better. Thanks to the anon who was going on about this book yesterday and inspiring me to take it off my shelf.

>> No.8505508

>>8505213
It's not Sanderson, her brother is handling her with kids gloves. They put the notion in her head that she is "witty".

It all becomes clear at the end. Let's just say that her "wit" is a coping mechanism.

Like when you were in school and your dad used to touch you/ your was mom bringing home different men all hours of the night. You were a bully / class clown to cope wit it. Same shit with Shallan.

>> No.8505532

>>8505258
Seven deadly sins by Japan

There may also be books that I read but can't remember, the glimpse of the undine in new sun might not be what you want. I'm sure I read novels with involved giantesses... but can't recall atm.

>> No.8505630

Can someone compile all the books that are mentioned EACH AND EVERY THREAD?

From memory of reading this thread I'll try to post what I think I saw in this and others:
>blindsight
>book of the new sun
>way of kings
>buried giant
>dying earth
>canticle for liebowitz
>solaris
>name of the wind
>someone of PK Dick's book
>Prince of nothing series
>WoT
>foundation trilogy
>i-robot series

What other books yall notice on every general?

>> No.8505646

>>8505630
As someone who regularly mentions some of these:
Foundation is a classic and should be read by any space opera fan
Solaris is another classic and probably rules the psycho weird scifi genre
Blindsight is only picked up traction the last few threads, but to be fair there's a lot to say about it
Book of the New Sun is the best /sff/ meme we have so it gets paraded a lot.

I'd arguably say Hyperion and Dune get mentioned a lot too.

>> No.8505650

>>8505646
foundation is shit

>> No.8505658

>>8505650
Foundation is good
Foundation and Empire is excellent
Second Foundation is a letdown but ties up the story

Haven't read the rest

>> No.8505662

>>8505630
Vance is a pretty new addition to /sffg/. A list of regulars is only a pox if it's static.

To add to your list, Pratchett comes up a lot too.

>> No.8505671

>>8505658
Second Foundation has that triple-secret reveal at the end though: it's not this, it's that...it's not that, it's the other...it's also not the other.

>> No.8505691

>>8505646
>Blindsight is only picked up traction the last few threads
It was around from the beginning of the general

t. One of the original sffg user

>> No.8505702

>>8505662
What do you define as new? I remember dinosaurfag raising a stink about dying earth last year... then all the anti dino marcos started circulating.

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8505727

>>8505496
>split personalities for the cause of a greater intellect
Pic related has this. Two personalities are often printed in side-by-side columns which emphasizes this, but makes reading a challenge.

>> No.8505739

>>8505630
>The Pride of Chanur
Someone keeps bringing this one up, must be good :3

>> No.8505745

>>8505702
I don't know. I used to pimp Lyonesse here and get no (you)s. So however long ago that was.

>> No.8505892
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>>8505646
>Blindsight is only picked up traction the last few threads
Please lurk for at least two years before posting.

>>8505508
Sanderson writes most of his main female leads this way. Shallan is no different. It is definitely Sanderson.

>> No.8505900

>>8502125
I know this is bait, but calling Sanderson an intellectual is an insult to every philosopher and thinker who ever lived. He is one of the most successful anti-intellectual writers right now. His books always promise with cool "magic systems" but there's nothing beneath them, they are completely hollow...reading them and trying to learn something from his books will actually make you less intelligent.

Now I am not bakker fan, but give the man some credit. There are very few series that are as ambitious. The sheer number of ideas and interpretations make him a real intellectual in my book ( at least someone who attempts to be). He at lest tries to make his books about something... Even if you hate the guy, you can't deny it. Take 10 different people and force them to read the first trilogy. No matter if they hate it or love it, each of them will have an unique experience. If you ask them to talk about the implications of his work, each person will say something else so a dialog can begin.

Do the same thing with mistborn. If you are older than 12 there are no ideas to discuss only if you go so far from the work itself that it becomes meaningless...There's nothing there but "that guy went here and did this"...

>> No.8505910

Hey guys, what are the best cyberpunk books?

>> No.8505919

>>8505630

>Good books get mentioned

WOAAAAAAH

>> No.8505921
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>>8505900
If you know it's bait why bite?

>> No.8505922

>>8505900
No, not really.

>> No.8505925

>>8505919
t. Buried Giant poster

>> No.8506035
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8506035

Here's some fresh OC for the faggots that ask for recommendations.

BEWARE OF PULP.

>> No.8506104

Anybody ever read David Weber's "War God" series? I see it's got good reviews but I quit Honor Harrington after 8 books (it got boring) and I'm currently suffering through the third Safehold book (it's getting boring, likely won't read the fourth) so I'm eyeing it with morbid curiosity. Is Weber capable of finishing a series? Can a fantasy setting keep him from devoting 20 pages to missile propulsion systems?

>> No.8506275

>>8506035
gracias senpai

>> No.8506301

>>8506035

Thanks for the recommendations. It would be nice if these pictures had a line or two saying why you should read it. But i appreciate you folks who make these images

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>>8506035
>John C. "If Vulcans had a religion, it would be synonymous with clerical abuse of powers and child sex abuse scandals" Wright

What a meme.

>> No.8506320

>>8506035
>no Lem
>no Casares
>Herbert ranked higher than Guin

Holy shit you're not in a position to be rec'ing anything please delete this. You're actually going to turn curious anons away from Sci Fi.

>> No.8506328
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>>8505910

"Neuromancer" by William Gibson. I read "Count Zero" and "Mona Lisa Overdrive" as well but "Neuromancer is the only one I've re-read.

"Snowcrash" by Neal Stephenson. I've read "Diamond Age" and "Cryptonomicon" as well. I have re-read "Snowcrash" because the first chapter is great fun but not the others.

"Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" by P.K. Dick. I prefer the movie.

"Ghost in the Shell". While an anime rather than a book, I share the popular opinion that it is a staple of cyberpunk.

I've read other works that are usually classified in the cyberpunk subgenre but these are the standouts that I've come across.

>> No.8506339

>>8506320
LeGuin just regurgitates borrowed dogmatism in novel form

>> No.8506344

>>8506035

This is a solid chart.

>> No.8506389

>>8506035
>Accelerando
>Snow Crash
>The Quantum Thief
>Raft
>Permutation City

GOAT. Gonna try Stapledon, got my dad's copy of Neuromancer on my shelf, and I need to listen to my audiobook of Starship Troopers soon.

I've never read the Foundation books, but I really enjoyed the BBC radio adaptation - it's still on the Internet Archive, and I'd recommend it to anyone into radio theatre. And I haven't read Use of Weapons, but Player of Games is one of my favorites and I think Transition's seriously underrated.

Also, is The Time Traveler's Wife actually good? I keep hearing people call it their favorite, but they're generally people whose second-favorite books are things like The Notebook or The Great Gatsby, so I always imagine it as The Accidental Time Machine written by Nicholas Sparks.

>> No.8506410

>>8506320
I thought about putting Lem in place of Van Vogt, but I didn't have any Golden Age adventure. I'd recommend Lem to someone that read these and particularly like Three Stigmata. And I've never read anything by Cesares.

Le Guin had more (quantity) interesting ideas than Herbert, but Dune is better than any one of Le Guin's works.

>>8506312
The Golden Age is one of the best SF books written since 2000. Clarke literally molested boys but that won't stop me from recommending some of his books.

I may replace Quantum Thief with Blindsight -- QT is similar to The Golden Age but I prefer the latter.

>> No.8506416
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8506416

> As things stand, is there a tentative pub date for THE UNHOLY CONSULT?

>July or August, 2017.

>> No.8506463

>>8506389
>Time Travelers's Wife
I'm not a huge fan, and it's pretty heavy on the pathos compared to the typical offering. I included it as an example of "ladies book club SF" which is a pretty recent phenomenon but maybe I need to reconsider the audience.

>> No.8506464

>>8506035
Sci-fi users are far easier to please than fantasy

>>8506301
>It would be nice if these pictures had a line or two saying why you should read it.
Then make it yourself fagget

>> No.8506493

>>8506035
Chartfag here, nice. I'm glad more people are making charts.

Please continue to improve and develop your chart.

Use chartanons have to stick together.

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8506498

>>8503921
are all these works from the same artist

>> No.8506499

>>8506389
>Also, is The Time Traveler's Wife actually good?

It's a teen girl bean-flicker novel. The entire book is the MC squirting about her fiance

>omg my husbando Henry is sooo amazing and cool
>we have the exact same taste in music
>and he beats up homophobic jocks and stuff even though he's sensitive
>and we have cool dinner parties with our hip friends
>and he's a total nerd and loves books but isn't like a Star Trek nerd or anything
>and he dumped his crazy blonde ex-gf (who is totally not based off someone I hate IRL)
>and lol she killed herself because the main guy chose me over her, stupid bitch :)
>because we were totally destined to be together by like FATE and stuff

Aside from that, the characters in the book have ZERO fucking agency. They just react as shit happens to them for no reason.

It made me swear off female authors for a long time.

>> No.8506508

>>8506463
>I included it as an example of "ladies book club SF" which is a pretty recent phenomenon but maybe I need to reconsider the audience.

/sffg/ is 99.9% male.

You might as well include even more female-targeted YA sci-fi shovelware like Hunger Games and Maze Runner if you want to be inclusive.

I would take Anne McCaffrey over any of them.

>> No.8506515

>>8506508
>/sffg/ is 99.9% male.
Well given the number of unique posters per thread that's clearly false

>> No.8506523

>>8506515
It's usually ends at 100+ but people are leaving so...

>> No.8506524
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Alright, Time Traveler's Wife is relegated to a future "SF Your Girlfriend Might Like" chart in place of Blindsight. Also switched around John Carter and Lensman based on reflection about others' likely opinions.

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>>8506463

>I included it as an example of "ladies book club SF"

>>8506508

>I would take Anne McCaffrey over any of them.

Nancy Kress' Sleepless trilogy is pretty good, too.

>> No.8506532

>>8506524
>actually giving into the non chart making plebs

>> No.8506533

>>8506328
I found Neuromancer unbearably boring, what do you like about it?

>> No.8506534

>>8506524
Barsoom is fucking badass but i must admit i never read any of the others. What about piper or leiber? Are they not pulp? Sorry, im new

>> No.8506536

>>8506515
There's that one anon with Klinefelter's, so he counts as probably 9/10th male.

>> No.8506594

>>8506534
They are, especially Lieber, but they wrote later (in the Golden Age of the 40s - Early 60s rather than the early 20th Century). And not only are they temporally later but they tend to be more conceptually complex than those earlier pulp works. Van Vogt represents the pulp style of that era on the chart.

>> No.8506597

>>8506533
It's shit desu

>> No.8506610

>>8506594
ahh i see. then that would put harry harrison there also. he's one of my favorites.

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>>8506533

I first read "Neuromancer" on a cyberpunk kick brought on by a serious case of infatuation with "Bladerunner". I too was unimpressed. The dissolute protagonist and the rampant drug use in the novel bored me as I had recently read plenty of this sort of thing from P.K. Dick. The rest of the story felt like a mediocre mystery novel, especially since AI and cyberspace were wellworn concepts by the time I read "Neuromancer" in the Oughts. I later read "Snowcrash" and after the first chapter was ready to write off Gibson as a hack. Ironically, my first reaction was to post a thread on /lit/ about how much better "Snowcrash" was.

A decade later, I think I have aged to fit the book. Where I had seen Case as a base appeal to subculture readers a decade earlier, I now empathize with him. His loves, his failures, his self-destructive behavior: these resonate more with me now than they did then. Accepting the protagonist has freed me to appreciate the other aspects of the novel. The AI are amoral and insane; this jives with my personal opinion of what the Singularity will yield: diseased fruit of flawed minds. The eccentricities of the Tessier-Ashpool family ring true; I could easily see Jeff Bezos or Peter Thiel founding a similarly dysfunctional clan on an orbital station.

Finally, cyberpunk for me is inseparable from the visual medium. In my mind's eye, Case is hustling on "Bladerunner"'s streets. Because of this symbiotic relationship where one is incomplete without the other, I don't consider cyberpunk to be the best of science fiction's written form and I can understand those who don't care for it. However, I think "Neuromancer" is the best of the subgenre.

>> No.8506742

>>8506684
you're like 26 donkey?

>> No.8506746
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8506746

just bought this, can't wait, might fap

>> No.8506748

>>8506742

38.

>> No.8506870

Where does the border between good writing and bad writing lie? /lit/ would dismiss isekai LNs as bad writing and have their dicks wet for Dune, but I have read Dune recently and I found out that its writing is putrid shit, not to mention the plot is same fucking isekai-tier wish fullfilment of the worst kind.

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>>8506748
I was right....

>> No.8506897

>>8506746
is historical fiction /sffg/?

>> No.8506900

>>8506897
Once it's fantastical enough, if it's some real recount of a war, it is not.

>> No.8506907

>>8506900
If it's fantastical enough, I'd call it historical fantasy instead of historical fiction.

That said, while I don't think it really belongs here, I find it very easy to transition from fantasy to hf and back again. It's easy to recommend cross-genre.

>> No.8506964

>>8505745
Your shill must be constant and also you must trigger plebs.
That way people will read your recs and you will get (you)s.
>>8506684
I was unimpressed to the point I've forgotten everything.
I can't even hate it, it's like a random shitty action movie nobody cares about.
>>8506493
No we don't, fuck off with your shit taste.
>>8506035
Aren't there any better Heinlein novels than Starship troopers you can put in there?
Lem and Wolfe are also pretty nice, but I'm not sure where I'd place them, both don't belong to specific movements within the genre.

>> No.8507046

>>8506508
4chan is 30% female/70% male between 18-34 mostly college aged students you fucking retarded summerfag.

It's also very obvious from the typing style on these threads that /sffg/ is almost 50/50 unless you're too new to tell the difference and if you can't tell the difference you should lurk the fuck more.

>> No.8507055

>>8507046
Are women those with shit taste?

>> No.8507070

>>8507046
lol no

>> No.8507084

>>8507055
The easy spotting guide.

>weebshit
>mentions Berserk, One Piece, Naruto or any other very edgy plebshit
/a/ crossboarder

>video game books
/v/ crossboarder

>mentions kino
>professes to love certain shows
>mentions GRRM, Star Wars or any televised plebshit
Usually /tv/

>facebook speak
>inability to greentext
>can't spell
>can't capitalise
>obsessive use of greentext as a quoting mechanism
>>greentext
>can't quote boards properly
>old shitty memes like pepe
>tries to get upvotes
>bad spacing
Ledditor.

>ALL CAPS
>emoticons on an image board
>more emotional/feely touchy
>can't capitalise
>easily triggered by rudeness/replies to /pol/bait
>tumblr memes
A girl.

>claims to be a girl
A male transexual on hormone replace therapy.

>> No.8507095

>>8507084
>likes only deep and mature books like Wolfe for mature people such as my self
>flips out whenever people mention books he doesn't like
Outer /lit/ invader

>> No.8507100

>>8507084
STFU FAGGOT!!
stop posting
and stop living

>> No.8507164
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>>8499326
Just finished the first one today am quite impressed thought it was going to be a lot worse. I love how such along time frame is told through events and characters far apart but all culminating towards the same end. It's cool I'm not big on series but I might actually read the next. Also I have pic related any good or just memery

>> No.8507176

>>8501521
Rep for archipelago. Good books loved them and his other work.

>> No.8507178

>>8507095
Or the outer /lit/ tripfag who is weirdly nice and non abrasive for a tripfag.

>> No.8507200

genreshit is for fucking faggot spergs, i hate having to hide this shitty ugly mess of a thread for shitty ugly losers every time I browse 4chan on a new computer.

fuck all of you mouthbreathing sci fi mongs

>> No.8507211

>>8507200
>>8507095

>> No.8507219

>>8507211

what the fuck is a "wolfe"? you faggots aren't even literate yet. you need a separate containment board where you can talk about babbys first spaceship with the other 70 IQ autist subhumans

>> No.8507222

>>8507219
I'm sure someone with anger problems like you can read a book for longer than 2 minutes.

>> No.8507230

>>8507222

i feel like you're trying to say the exact opposite of what you actually wrote but you just couldn't figure it out

>> No.8507232

>>8507222
stupid goddamned nigger woman get off /lit/

>> No.8507237

>>8506498
>Star Wars cross sections

my fucking g
absolutely loved those at a kid, almost wish I'd taken them with me when I left home

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>>8503908
>mfw my city gets nuked in alas babylon

>> No.8507308

Does /lit/ have an Ice and Fire general ever?

>> No.8507313

>>8507308
No. The books aren't worth discussing.
>>8507176
I got In the First Circle for my birthday, I'll be reading it after I finish the trilogy. I have around 800 pages left.

>> No.8507323

>>8507308
it had occasional threads before the TV show began (jeez that feels like ages ago now) but since then it just gets shit on the rare times it gets brought up

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alright well let's see how this goes

I've only been into scifi for a few months so my repertoire is a bit limited.

>> No.8507339

>>8507335
New Sun is more scientific than Dune and Hyperion.

>> No.8507345

>>8505630
Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser

Basically, books that are popular and/or good are frequently mentioned. Not a big surprise.

>> No.8507406

I just finished reading Stone of Farewell by Tad Williams. I saw this on some recommended books image on lit and if it wasn't for all the good scores the series seems to have gotten from other sites i would probably think that i was being trolled.

I am so tired of the boring worthless mc whose only talent is being at the right place at the right time. I am so sick of neverending road trips only to get to some irrelevant place that someone dreamed about. And i am getting tired of fantasy books having tons of characters they constantly need to switch between.

>> No.8507438

>>8507164
It's good, also surprisingly cyberpunk if you're into that.

>> No.8507452

>>8506964
Starship Troopers and The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress are Heinlein's best novels, with Stranger a close third. Between ST and Moon, ST is shorter and gives the chart a rep for milSF, so I picked that.

I basically picked PKD over Lem, and for Wolfe I think that he's both more of a fantasy author and that BotNS in particular isn't a good rec to someone who has no clue about the genre.

>> No.8507460

>>8501010
>Olaf Stapledon
Not a novella fampai

>> No.8507508

>>8507452
New Sun may not be the best examples of Wolfe's science fiction, but Fifth Head of Cerberus on the other hand is a good one.

>> No.8507684

>>8507335
I kinda hate you right now senpai, but thanks for the effort.

>> No.8507701

>>8507084
>/a/
I have never been an /a/ regular and I shill Berserk.

>/v/
Literally never even visited /v/ ever, in conscious memory. I spam the occasional vidya game related thread just to annoy the snobs.

>/tv/
You left this one open ended which is sensible.

>normie atrocities
I do most of those and don't browse the shithole that is reddit. I don't have a facebook either.

>girly atrocities
You must be new. There are many ways to spot a girl on the internet, but your interpretation is facile.

>claims to be a girl
This one is lol

>> No.8507712

>>8507452
>>8507508
New Sun encompasses fantasy and hard science fiction tropes. It's fundamentally science fiction, because all of its "magic" has a scientific origin and explanation, that has to be read critically to be unveiled.

It's also his greatest, and finest work of science fiction. Short Sun is not nearly as grand. Fifth Head is tighter in focus, but was a trial run in comparison.

>> No.8507728

>>8507712
Short Sun had arguably stronger characterisation and I liked the easygoing feel of the first book. Very comfy.

>> No.8507756

>>8506748
This is why this place is getting elitist, 40+ year olds who have no business reading fantasy are migrating from IJ circle jerks, and are trying to force their likes on us.

Fuck off, don't come back until you like Sanderson.

>> No.8507767

>>8506964
>>8506524
This chart is amateurish and a little gaudy in its taste of covers. Half the pulp era covers don't evoke a sense of nostalgia, and especially The Night Land's, whose cover is too crisp in design to accurately reflect its intentionally antiquated prose.

That said, it's still already more useful than anything the previous chartanon has posted.

Good work new chartanon, keep it up.

>> No.8507769

>>8507084
>easily triggered by rudeness/replies to /pol/bait
Kek. Hello /pol/, if I tell your ass to get back to pol I'm a gril huh?
>>>/pol/
>>>/r9k/

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>>8507684
why?

>> No.8507780

>>8507756
Donkey could read more literary fiction in my opinion, and even though he's a tripfag, is still a more valuable personality here than 95%+ of the genre fiction plebs who make the scene look bad.

Besides, if you don't like what he says, you can always call him an old fart and he'll probably fuck off.

>> No.8507792

>>8507335
It's fucking confusing.

>> No.8507798

>>8507406
>Tad Williams
That's where you fucked up.

>> No.8507830

>>8507780
I'm just looking that it proves our general is filled with people who have kids that are 15+. That is why when lolita is brought up in outer lit they go insane and report the threads (they have 11 year old daughters). Those same parents come in here and start a fuss when we don't like the book they read in the 1970.

At least you give them the benefit of the doubt, and read their books to see if there is truth behind the claims that they are shit/good.
They don't extend the same courtesy though, they shit on anything after 1990 that is not WoT, or Gene Wolfe.

Really pissing me off.

>> No.8507836

>>8507335
>hard science
>no Egan
>no KSR
>no bear
>no Chiang

>> No.8507843

>>8507798
I liked Otherland. Didn't care for Shadowmarch, though. I read book 1 and it was like a 700 page prologue.

>> No.8507867

>>8507836
I'm only recommending what I've read, which I feel is fair enough
Chiang's actually on my list though

>> No.8507908

>>8507830
The least they could do is help a kissless 20 year old virgin get some pussy, by the way of their wives. They know what it was like to want pussy and not get it.

Help your brother out.

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>>8507908
One pussy, as per request :3

>> No.8507946

Stormlight archive is fucking great. I have finished Words of Radiance yesterday. It's been a long time since I felt this sad void after finishing a good fantasy book.

I hope Brandon focuses more on Kaladin becoming a little god. It is extremely fun.

What do you think of the stormlight archive?

>> No.8507969

>>8507916
>by the way of their wives

Would probably read though... gri approved?

>> No.8507984

>>8507969
I just started it. Female feline PoV. Refers to herself and other felines as human. The furless freaks are only known as slaves.

>> No.8507994

>>8507984
Some playful grooming so far, but MC is apparently underage.

>> No.8508026

>>8507406
I'm with you, anon. I had this recommended to me here a couple of years no here. I don't understand the appeal at all, even if you were into YA-y hero's journey type books it doesn't even do that well -- everything is cliched and boring.

>> No.8508040

>>8507780
>hurr genre fiction
the fuck do you even think the point of this thread is?

>> No.8508042

>>8507969
>>by the way of their wives
He has the book because of his wife you stupid

>> No.8508054

>>8507946
While I felt Way of Kings was better than most else I'd read by him, I also felt it was pretty bloated. I think he wants to do this massively epic series, but most series of this kind only generate their bloat midway through.

>>8507406
I really like Memory, Sorrow and Thorn, but its pace is glacial.

Fun fact: I started by reading the translated version, and after two books - the normal count to split localized versions into - picked up Stone of Farewell. I was extremely confused about everything, and it turned out they split each book in this series to 3 parts, to a total of 12.

>> No.8508057

>>8508040
Science fiction and fantasy.
Science fiction and fantasy aren't necessarily genre fiction, but say Jordan and Sanderson write genre fiction.

>> No.8508081

>>8508057
it's pretentious people like you always drag down the discussion in these threads

if you like wolfe and his ilk and want to talk about them that's fine, but don't be a condescending prick to anyone who wants to talk about different books/authors

>> No.8508093

>>8508057
>pseudo elitist trying solidify his position as better than the rabble who use the general

>> No.8508106

>>8508081
No. You know why? Because then you try to place them on a pedestal higher than Wolfe. Which is objectively wrong.

Have you noticed that Wolfeanons, that don't outright trash plebbier fiction, tend to speak more intelligibly about Sanderson and Jordan, than their actual fans do? If you can't beat them...

>> No.8508123

>>8508081
I'm basically Socrates of these threads, I was sent by the Demiurge to educate you and help you see the plain of forms, on top of which sits Gene Wolfe and at the bottom lay Sanderson and Jordan.

>> No.8508130

>>8508123
This isn't me, you can tell by his lack of proper grammar and spelling.

>> No.8508131
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8508131

I enjoyed the short story anthologies but people recommend against reading the Saga. What's wrong with them?

>> No.8508136

>>8508106
cheers for exemplifying my point

>> No.8508137

>>8508123
There ought to be a chart with plebbiness as the X axis and enjoyability as the Y (so Wolfe/Peake would occupy the top-right corner and Goodkind or Terry Brooks the bottom-left, with various positions in between)

>> No.8508141

>>8508106
>Which is objectively wrong.
>objectively

ayyy Sanderson is better than Wolfe :-)

>> No.8508143

>>8508131
Plot which doesn't know what it wants to do, Ciri being his fan fiction perfect daughter waifu.
>>8508137
Hmm it sounds like a good idea for a political chart meme with Sanderson in the bottom left.

>> No.8508148

>>8508130
He's funnier than you, too

>> No.8508157

>>8508148
The humor escapes him because Platonism doesn't have a magic system so he never bothered checking it out.

>> No.8508161

>>8508136
>>8508148
You don't have a point worth standing on.

>> No.8508247
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8508247

I was right all along, the dinosaurs have shown their true faces.
They were here to infiltrate and destroy us from within from the beginning.

They are unsatisfied with the way outer lit is going, so they are here to shit in our pure spring fed pond. Turning it into a festering contaminated body of filth and decay.

I warned you, but you didn't listen. Now it's too late, it has reached the heart.

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8508271

>>8508247

>> No.8508290

>>8508271
Jesus Christ you are a dinosaur, I haven't seen a white print text meme posted as an image response for at least 3 or 4 years

>> No.8508327

It's a plebs vs. dinosaurs chapter...

ABANDON THREAD >>8508326
ABANDON THREAD >>8508326
ABANDON THREAD >>8508326

(Seriously, I waited. You drove me to this.)

>> No.8508332

>>8508290
still made you feel bad :)

>> No.8508695

>>8507313
Don't forget a day in the life of Alex denisovich if you liked gulag.