/lit/ - Literature

Invisible Man is considered a seminal work.

>>8479120
Invisible Man, yeah

>>8479120
The three musketeers by Alexandre Dumas

Invisible man by Ralph Ellison

Maya Angelou's poetry

And the others here
http://www.pbs.org/black-culture/explore/10-black-authors-to-read/#.V87HulT3bCQ

>Masterpiece
>Writing

Literature is one of the worst forms of art. There are no written masterpieces.

>>8479134
It's no Ulysses. You should look up the definition of a masterpiece.

>>8479149
>It's no Ulysses

Thankfully Dhalgren is

>>8479149
>definition of a masterpiece
>a work of outstanding artistry, skill, or workmanship.

>Released in 1952, Invisible Man was immediately hailed as a masterpiece. A 1965 Book Week poll of 200 writers and critics selected Invisible Man as the most distinguished novel of the previous 20 years.

>>8479134
This desu. Also Sonny's Blues by Baldwin is one of my favorite short stories about music.

>>8479157
>"book week poll"
>last 20 years
>masterpiece
>right outside the window of Lolita and Ulysess

Hell 1984 was far more significant than your black book.

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>>8479139
What is a better art form then?

>>8479169
>Hell 1984 was far more significant than your black book.

No it wasn't. 1984 was awful and significance doesn't imply merit just like box office doesn't imply merit.

>>8479174
kek

literally anything
music and painting come to mind

>>8479177
>dis·tin·guished
dəˈstiNGɡwiSHt/
adjective
successful, authoritative, and commanding great respect.
"a distinguished American educationist"
synonyms: eminent, famous, renowned, prominent, well known; More

>>8479168
Good taste anon, great short story.

>>8479189
>No it wasn't. 1984 was awful and significance doesn't imply merit just like box office doesn't imply merit.

>>8479120
>who is shakespeare

>>8479120
Have you ever written a masterpiece?

>>8479120
Dumas was half caste and wrote the count of monte Cristo. Also anyone that mentions Chinua "Yams" Achebe or Madamme Zubaba the Dreamweaver is full of shit. Invisible man is a good book but masterpiece is stretching it.

>>8479456
That's such a retarded response to OP's question. Why does it matter whether or not he's personally written a masterpiece?

>>8479456

Have you ever written a masterpiece?

>>8479458
quarter-caste

I think Invisible Man is a masterpiece.
People would say Beloved, but I wasn't huge on it.

I don't think anything James Baldwin wrote was a masterpiece, but I do really like him.

I would recommend "The Devil Finds Work" by James Baldwin, it's a great collection of short essays on cinema.

>>8479120
Three Musketeers?

>>8479456
Irobot fan.

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>>8479498
Alexandre Dumas is 25% black. He's mixed race.

>>8479139
why are you on this board then

>>8479137
Stop this meme that Dumas was black.

>>8479157
>have to reference some irrelevant poll from 50 years ago

kek

>>8479581
It's not a meme you dip

>Dumas' father, General Thomas-Alexandre Davy de la Pailleterie, was born in the French colony of Saint-Domingue (present-day Haiti) to a French nobleman and an enslaved African woman. At age 14 Thomas-Alexandre was taken by his father to France, where he was educated in a military academy and entered the military for what became an illustrious career.

>Thomas-Alexandre Dumas Davy de la Pailleterie (French: [tɔma alɛksɑ̃dʁ dyma davi də la pajətʁi]; also known as Alexandre Dumas; 25 March 1762 – 26 February 1806) was a general in Revolutionary France and the highest-ranking man of African descent ever in a European army.[1] He was the first person of color in the French military to become brigadier general, the first to become divisional general, and the first to become general-in-chief of a French army.[

>>8479585
what do you call this meme?

>>8479180
Nah.

The fact that words on a page can make you feel extreme emotion shows how fantastically powerful literature can be.
Art exists in order to provoke emotion, and paintings have done that for the last fifty years since 'contemporary art' came into existence, and music for the most part is only emotional when its live.

As opposed to literature, which you can find literally anywhere and just pick up and start reading whenever you want

>>8479120
Machado de Assis - The Posthumous Memoirs of Bras Cubas.

Jay Wright - The Double Invention of Komo

Jean Toomer - Cane

Zora Neale Hurston - Their Eyes Were Watching God

>>8479596
>Machado de Assis - The Posthumous Memoirs of Bras Cubas.
Was going to say this, although he was actually a mulatto.

>>8479596
>MASTERPIECE

>>8479606
Do not shift goalposts by posting in caps

>In The Paris Review, literary critic Harold Bloom referred to Invisible Man, along with Zora Neale Hurston's Their Eyes Were Watching God, as "the only full scale works of fiction I have read by American blacks in this century that have survival possibilities at all."[17]

ah yes, no discernable... wait... what? there's discernable talent?

>>8479610
it's in the OP

>>8479624
You responded to a post

>>8479610
>shift goalposts
is this the latestest buzzword?

>>8479633
No it's a term that's been used by people for a rather long time now describing what you were doing

>>8479629
and i was saying those dont qualify

dumas is the only one but he's a mudblood

>>8479610
The first title used to establish a baseline for the term "masterpiece" was Ulysses. This bait thread was made to constantly shift goalposts and keep newfags running around angry. No matter what you post you're wrong. Stop taking the obvious bait.

>>8479638
>and i was saying those dont qualify

What makes you an authority? You haven't even read them. I would rather trust the opinion of someone who can name books.

>>8479642
I thought /lit/ got beyond praising James Joyce like the second coming of christ like high schoolers do two years ago. huh....interesting.......

>>8479643
>You haven't even read them.

pretty presumptive, i've read one out of the four and wouldnt call it a masterpiece

>>8479649
>pretty presumptive, i've read one out of the four

No you haven't.

>>8479652
kys

>>8479606
Posthumous Memoirs IS a masterpiece you pleb.

>>8479120
Shakespeare was black

>>8479656
>mulatto

annnnd DROPPED!

>>8479662
Black by American standards.

>>8479156
Enough with this awful meme

>>8479620
>survival possibilities at all
>masterpiece
>>8479492
My mistake.
>>8479667
American standards are retarded. He's neither white nor black, he's mixed race.
>>8479657
nice to see another woke scholar on /lit/

>>8479672
It's not hard to be better than what at the time was considered pretentious

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_Dumas

The Count of Monte Cristo, is certainly one.

>>8479682
>all the plebs in this thread that listed the three musketeers instead of The Count(TM)
I don't have enough wews for these lads.

>>8479682
mudblood

I don't understand why you people fall for the blacks are less educated and evil and dangerous and mentally inferior when among the board's population you regularly post with are people more mentally ill than the average black american. And yet you don't bitch about the god damn fucking borderline personality disorder and bipolar people.

>>8479120

Mah nigga Harambe's life was a masterpiece.

>>8479685
>are less educated and evil and dangerous and mentally inferior
They are statistically less educated, commit more violent crime, have lower IQs AND mental illness is a serious problem in African American communities.

>>8479676
It's hard to be better than the most important work of the century.
Or one of the most important anyway. It's influence was almost instantly recognized and hence you see how other famed writers at the time modeled their work after it.
And the important difference between the two is that Dhalgren is still considered pretentious, if that's going to be the measure of quality.

>>8479698
>They are statistically less educated, commit more violent crime, have lower IQs AND mental illness is a serious problem in African American communities.

Interesting. It's also a problem here. The more mentally ill people out of most social websites gravitate towards here for its anonymity. People with lower IQs, higher risks for violence, and a likelihood for comitting crime. But they're white, and you don't know it posting with them. You would largely give them a pat on the back if you met them.

And they're all around you here. If you want to care about keeping up the mental fitness of others and not making the same fucking thread for the 90th time in a year, start caring and bitch about all avenues of mental fitness. Not just blacks.

You would have to confront a large portion of posters, including a large portion who bitch about the mental fitness of blacks.

>>8479698
>muh theoretical humans
you have literal autism, dude.
go outside and meet some people.

>>8479685
because
a) Stadistically, they are all of those things, it has nothing to do with race, it's a cultural issue since the blacks were never fully integrated into the society like in, say, south america.
b) no one considers 4chan the median for healthy people, neither pretends to
c) there is an insentive because, 4chan being contrarian, the left is currently the most authoritative and culturally invasive ideology (particularly the PC and SJW camp, which is the main cultural competitor on internet culture with 4chan's fuck law and censorship), and since they champion racial equality, it makes anons want to say "nuh uh"
d) people like you get butthurt, and that is fun.

>>8479714
>people with lower IQs
/lit/ may not be nearly intelligent as it likes to think but a board dedicated to literature is going to have a higher than average IQ, and definitely higher than the average black.
>higher risks for violence
Not really, if we're going on stereotypical 4channers (which is all we have because unlike blacks we don't have hard data) the people here trend towards introversion and docility
>likelihood for committing violent crime
Besides the odd killer, I chiefly see petty thiefs and drug users posting on 4chan. It's not really the same level as violent crime.
>but they're white
Wew, one hell of an assumption.
>you'd probably give them a pat on the back
A double wew for this one

How does it feel that when confronted with the reality of the state of blacks you have to switch up and begin attacking the character of the userbase of an anonymous message board?

>>8479719
>Stadistically, they are all of those things, it has nothing to do with race, it's a cultural issue since the blacks were never fully integrated into the society like in, say, south america.

That has shit all to do with what I said.

>no one considers 4chan the median for healthy people, neither pretends to

It's the underlying subtext by painting blacks as less mentally fit than the posting populace of let's say, /v/. You pulled this shit straight from your ass and you know it's true.

>there is an insentive because, 4chan being contrarian, the left is currently the most authoritative and culturally invasive ideology (particularly the PC and SJW camp, which is the main cultural competitor on internet culture with 4chan's fuck law and censorship), and since they champion racial equality, it makes anons want to say "nuh uh"

I've seen this talking point regurgitated so many times at this point it's making me laugh. Do people who post here with an agenda have a list of fucking talking points to go down when confronted with information they find uncomfortable

>people like you get butthurt, and that is fun.

I'm more likely to assume you're either being paid or are in high school

>>8479717
>theoretical humans
Fucking what? Are statistics gathered from fake humans or something? I've met a couple okay black people, it doesn't change the fact that they objectively are less educated and more violent as a whole.
>autism
>go outside
You're taking this discussion way too personally my man.

>>8479730
That's because he is a gentleman of negroid descent.

>>8479726
>/lit/ may not be nearly intelligent as it likes to think but a board dedicated to literature is going to have a higher than average IQ, and definitely higher than the average black.
>The more mentally ill people out of most social websites gravitate towards here for its anonymity. People with lower IQs, higher risks for violence, and a likelihood for comitting crime. But they're white, and you don't know it posting with them. You would largely give them a pat on the back if you met them.

Confront everything I said, not just IQ. You portray the problem of blacks being violent and yet you don't give a shit people who are mentally ill with a higher tendency for violent outburst than the average black American are posting among you.

You're not calling for "Get em out! Get em in the homes!" because you're a pussy cuck in your own retarded logic and you'd think that would be cruel.

>Besides the odd killer, I chiefly see petty thiefs and drug users posting on 4chan. It's not really the same level as violent crime.

Oh first hand eyewitness accounts of posts. Extremely compelling.

>>8479714
>no u: the post

jfc

>>8479730
>it doesn't change the fact that they objectively are less educated and more violent as a whole.

More whites with borderline personality disorder come here to post anonymously than anywhere else. They post with you all the time. They are higher than mostly anyone to lash out violently at others, just as blacks statistically.

Are you ready to help me with our new social crusade to get the mentally ill treated like animals again so our neighborhoods can be safe

>>8479744
It isn't. It's pointing out you singularly point out violent problem individuals for their violent statistical abilities. But you won't focus equal amount on other people who can.

It's like you don't give a solid shit about what you believe and like making jokes

>>8479134
>>8479135
>allegorical
>overtly political
Eh

>>8479736
Thing is, I never even showed any hatred towards blacks in my post, I just stated the facts. Maybe he should busy himself with trying to uplift his race since he seems to give such a shit about it instead of crying on the internet lmao
>>8479738
>confront everything I said
I already did you dunce, I've already mentioned that mental illness is a serious problem amongst African American blacks.
>oh first hand eyewitness accounts of posts
As opposed to that peer reviewed publication on the mental health and crime rates of 4chan posters that you're getting you're information from?
>people who are mentally ill have a higher tendency for violent outburst
Grossly generalised and factually incorrect statement. The majority of people suffering from mental illness have either anxiety, depression, or a combination of the two. Neither of which manifest in the form of an increased predilection for violence. Even in cases of psychosis such as those with schizophrenia or bipolar disorder, violence is not the norm but rather an exception.
>You're not calling for "Get em out! Get em in the homes!" because you're a pussy cuck
Okay, not wanting to genocide people makes me a cuckold now. Interesting. Guess I better get a well hung man to come fuck my wife now. Thanks for shedding so much light on my sexuality for me.

>>8479738
>Oh first hand eyewitness accounts of posts. Extremely compelling.

sums up your whole essay

why reply? you have anecdotes, he has FBI crime stats

>>8479729
You realize you countered neither of my points right? You just strawmanned your way through every point.

I'll repeat, the fact that you are puting this much effort into discussing this is in itself an insentive, 4chan is by it's very nature false, i hold no ideology so i can post whatever, and you make me want to keep pointing out why black people are stadistically inferior.


How new are you? I have to ask, are you from reddit? You really don't seem to fit in here.

>>8479750
you're the one dropping non-sequitors

refute the central point

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>>8479770
I think this guy's just an ideologue who has never bothered to actually check out crime stats and is simply going to fling insults until we stop posting, at which point he will walk away from the computer considering himself victorious. There's not much we can do here.

>>8479750
>It's like you don't give a solid shit about what you believe and like making jokes
This is 4chan in a nutshell, 4chan is the logical conclusion of sophism, if this bothers you, leave, because you clearly aren't prepared for the site. Funny thing is, I agree with you on the evils of racism, but you are so bad at discussion that i could easily run circles around you arguing blacks are inferior, and so obnoxious, you make me want to do it

>>8479781
Lmao I'm exactly the same, I have literally zero problem with black people and am just pointing out how wrong he is because I love how mad he's getting.

>>8479759
>I already did you dunce
>/lit/ may not be nearly intelligent as it likes to think but a board dedicated to literature is going to have a higher than average IQ, and definitely higher than the average black.

Nope. I'm still waiting repetitive dumbshit.

>As opposed to that peer reviewed publication on the mental health and crime rates of 4chan posters that you're getting you're information from?

Don't play coy with me it's not the amount that's the problem it's the fact of the matter you don't mock them at all in equal amount because you're afraid you'd alienate your base of users by doing so.

>Grossly generalised and factually incorrect statement.

So the guy bitching about statistical likelihood of blacks to commit evil deeds is bitching abotu the gross generalization of mentally ill whites capable of doing the same things.

>such as those with schizophrenia or bipolar disorder, violence is not the norm but rather an exception.

Hey, I'm sorry, but the statistics don't lie.....

>Okay, not wanting to genocide people makes me a cuckold now. Interesting.

I never said genocide. I said, "put them in homes". Just segregate them for the safety of everyone. You're for the separation of blacks to some degree right? For our safety? We can't have inferior mentally deficients capable of violence around can we? Bring back homes.

>>8479764
Because in another thread someone said they had bipolar disorder and another person in another thread say they suffered psychosis.

Point them out as much as you point out blacks for their violent and subhuman abilities.

>>8479781
>This is 4chan in a nutshell, 4chan is the logical conclusion of sophism, if this bothers you, leave

Nah I'll just point it out for people who take it too seriously.

Which wouldn't be me. But someone posting in this thread.

>>8479791
>Because in another thread someone said they had bipolar disorder and another person in another thread say they suffered psychosis.

>Point them out as much as you point out blacks for their violent and subhuman abilities.

annnneeeeccccdddoooottteeesss

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Let me reiterate: Shakespeare was Black

>>8479738
Concerning the violence of mentally ill persons, violence is common enough especially amongst some illnesses, enough so to be considered the norm, but it is self imposed.
>>8479745
>More whites with borderline personality disorder come here to post anonymously than anywhere else.
This seems plausible, but not very relevant. In my dealings with lit skype chat groups there are a lot of Mexicans and blacks, but also trannies, Catholics and homosexuals. Also, Jews.
>They post with you all the time. They are higher than mostly anyone to lash out violently at others, just as blacks statistically.
I know of very few cases of 4chan posters lashing out violently against others.
Outside Elliot Rodger, who? Or is lashing out including self harm?
But the mental health of 4chan posters is known to be iffy, just not violently so, or do we count Twitter shitposting violence?
>Are you ready to help me with our new social crusade to get the mentally ill treated like animals again so our neighborhoods can be safe
He has made no statement on race purges at all. The only thing you could assume safely is that he's probably against blacks getting free money.

>>8479791
>Nah I'll just point it out for people who take it too seriously.
Is there a more passive aggressive way of implying how mad you are besides "nah, (...)"?
you are hilarious anon, talk me more about yourself, what websites do you frequent?

>>8479798
There are no mentally ill people on 4chan and no people with autism on 4chan. Everyone here over 23 is sane.

>>8479791
>Don't play coy with me it's not the amount that's the problem it's the fact of the matter you don't mock them at all in equal amount because you're afraid you'd alienate your base of users by doing so.
Okay, now I know you're definitely new here. 4chan posters FUCKING HATE eachother. I spend much more time railing on the autistic freaks and pseudointellectuals I share this board with than I do on black people, I can tell you that much.
>Hey, I'm sorry, but the statistics don't lie.....
Can you post these statistics for me? Here are my statistics: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43
>You're for the separation of blacks to some degree right?
No, I'm not, you babbling retard.

>>8479805
no i found an autist, believe me

>>8479149
"Masterpiece" is broader than "the top three novels in the English language". Invisible Man doesn't have prose on Joyce's level, which is on par with Melville's and Shakespeare's, but the work does still have excellent prose, and what's more, the work is a lot deeper than Ulysses. Ulysses is like the Family Guy of high literature, it has a ton of extraneous references just for the sake of references.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
I wonder, who does this remind me of?

>>8479803
>Concerning the violence of mentally ill persons, violence is common enough especially amongst some illnesses, enough so to be considered the norm, but it is self imposed.

That's not an answer. Point it out. Motive doesn't matter. Keep us safe, they could breed. They could give future white children conditions like adult alcoholism, epilepsy, or worse, make them mentally ill too.

We have to make a stand.

>I know of very few cases of 4chan posters lashing out violently against others.

This isn't about the expanse of posters as a whole quit playing games. This is about the mentally ill people who post here we need to worry about.

We can't just worry about blacks. We must worry about other people corrupting the pure aryan race as well.

>But the mental health of 4chan posters is known to be iffy, just not violently so, or do we count Twitter shitposting violence?

An anonymous message board where people don't have to mindlessly say they're at, that contains mentally ill people more easily capable of violence, it just so happens nobody notices that violence.

Isn't that my fucking point in the first place?

>No, I'm not, you babbling retard.

Then you really don't have a reason to get ideologically up in arms if you're not A) mentally ill B) politically offended.

>>8479824
No one is up in arms, we are countering your poorly made arguments because of how silly they are, it's more of an excersise than an ideological thing, i haven't met many 4channers that even have one outside the right wing and left wing scumm.
You never really made a point, or at least it wasn't understood, please, could you make your point in a concise phrase?

Also, why are you so fixed on purges? No one ever said that besides you, are you mayhaps projecting a bit?

>>8479595
>Art exists in order to provoke emotion
You sure have a limited view of art. Good art should stir up your body, mind, and soul. Beauty isn't just experienced in emotions.

>>8479809
>Okay, now I know you're definitely new here. 4chan posters FUCKING HATE eachother. I spend much more time railing on the autistic freaks and pseudointellectuals I share this board with than I do on black people, I can tell you that much.

Then, what do you care I demand someone make specific threads about it. Its because mocking mentally handicapped people as hard as you mock blacks for similar reasons is still seen as edgy and not alright. The furthest you'll go out is the catch all autism. Once you start targeting other things besides autism you make people uncomfortable.

I think it's political correctness.

>>8479836
>we are countering your poorly made arguments because of how silly they are

No you're doing damage control I'm pretty sure. If you were saying that everything I didn't doesn't have weight just do what you do when that happens and close the thread and get in a new one. It's that easy.

All you have to do is not point out the person you're arguing with is "being silly" "being uninformed" "posting the wikipedia entry on strawman unironically after"

>Also, why are you so fixed on purges? No one ever said that besides you, are you mayhaps projecting a bit?

Sorry it's hard to figure out which beliefs your type conveniently has when it's mostly made up of and around jokes. But it's enough where you're willing to argue for it right now.

>>8479824
>That's not an answer. Point it out. Motive doesn't matter. Keep us safe, they could breed. They could give future white children conditions like adult alcoholism, epilepsy, or worse, make them mentally ill too.
My butthurt negro friend, how is breeding here important? I have exhibited no eugenic opinions whatsoever.
They are also not a threat, as I have said. They are a threat to themselves.
>We have to make a stand.
Again whom?
>This isn't about the expanse of posters as a whole quit playing games. This is about the mentally ill people who post here we need to worry about.
Why would we worry about them? They aren't a danger to others, they just shitpost and discuss things.
>We can't just worry about blacks. We must worry about other people corrupting the pure aryan race as well.
How deep does your butthurt go? I have no eugenics opinions, nor have even memed about them. They don't corrupt the white race since the white race is already corrupt, but with different things.
>An anonymous message board where people don't have to mindlessly say they're at, that contains mentally ill people more easily capable of violence, it just so happens nobody notices that violence.
So you have no examples of violence by chan posters? Not even anecdotal? How can nobody notice the violence?
>Then you really don't have a reason to get ideologically up in arms if you're not A) mentally ill B) politically offended.
I'm pretty sure the only offended person is the negroid gentleman who refuses to accept that blacks do a lot of crime and that they have lower education in general and that nobody sane wants to live in black ghettos.

>>8479851
now this is how you trole

>>8479851
You can't even imagine living without an ideology can you?
I just carry on because discussion is inherently fun for me.

And what is my type anon? You just admitted to strawmaning because the only argument towards racism that has been made is that, stadistically, blacks are more inclined to violence, etc.

>>8479581
Half black is good enough for /pol/ to call obama a nigger, why not dumas

>>8479821
>the work is a lot deeper than Ulysses
pick up a trip so I can filter you

>>8479872
Ulysses is a garbage meme, and people who like it are like the sycophants of the emperor with no clothes.

>>8479856
Hmm, good point. His grammar is way too good for a nigger.
>>8479865
Wasn't he 1/4 black?

>>8479883
Whatever you say, undergraduate.

>>8479854
>My butthurt negro friend, how is breeding here important? I have exhibited no eugenic opinions whatsoever.

When you have to point it out it's suspicious.

>They are also not a threat, as I have said. They are a threat to themselves.

They are just as likely to harm other people? What's wrong with you, keep us safe.

>Why would we worry about them? They aren't a danger to others, they just shitpost and discuss things.

So you conveniently give a shit about crime statistics.

>How deep does your butthurt go?

Around the marker where yours begins.

>So you have no examples of violence by chan posters?

My point wasn't chan posters. It was mentally ill people who post on chans that are capable of violence you don't point out to the same degree because you don't want to mock disabled people in specifics.

Do not shift goal posts it makes you look suspicious.

>I'm pretty sure the only offended person is the negroid gentleman who refuses to accept that blacks do a lot of crime and that they have lower education in general and that nobody sane wants to live in black ghettos.

Or the one who has to make two different ways of saying "hey I'm not like other /pol/ posters" like you're a teenage fucking girl

>>8479864
>I just carry on because discussion is inherently fun for me.

Yeah no shit. You would have been ran out out of /lit/ two or more years ago.

>>8479872
But he's write. Ulysses has some of the greatest prose in the history of humanity, and always will, but philosophically it's no deeper than Lolita.

>>8479120
Derek Walcott - Omeros
A sad state /lit/ is in if this hasn't been mentioned in 100 replies

>>8479120
https://www.good.is/articles/jordan-andersons-legendary-clapback
I thought this was pretty good.

>>8479887
Clearly you need a lot of hand holding by overly pretentious PhDs who wrote their dissertation on it to be tricked into abandoning your own sense of good and bad and blindly liking that smear of prose on paper.

That said, no I am not an undergraduate, just someone who is a mature enough reader to develop their own taste and recognize a grand literary troll.

>>8479894
>Yeah no shit. You would have been ran out out of /lit/ two or more years ago.
implying you've been here for more than a month
You reek of reddit.

>>8479894
Explain why European culture was booming while Blacks had yet to even form functional societies, let alone create art.

>>8479921
>implying you've been here for more than a month
I'm implying the exact opposite that you've not been here in a month. It's really easy to say "I've always been here! I'm not controlled opposition or being manipulated at all!" in one breath and "I don't give a shit about this kind of debate I just post here because I have fun!" in the other.

>>8479927
Don't falseflag.

>>8479933
You don't understand how to use that term.

>>8479927
Because cultures far south of the equator didn't focus on world building to the same degrees because of increased expanse, increased heat, and surviving megafauna. Leading to cultural forces that didn't really give a shit about "going forward", in the traditional sense. Sort of like the type of person who thinks asking this is unique and edgy each time.

>>8479940
I do, I believe you are that crazy SJW anon and are posting a clearly stupid argument so you can debunk it yourself and be able to keep strawmanning.

>>8479894
>When you have to point it out it's suspicious.
I didn't have to at all, it's suspicious because you asserted that everyone who has a negative opinion on black culture wants to gass you and hence kept repeating the baseless claim.
>They are just as likely to harm other people? What's wrong with you, keep us safe.
But they aren't, you idiot, I said that earlier and that's how it works. Mentally ill people are far more likely to harm themselves than others.
Can you read?
>So you conveniently give a shit about crime statistics.
You didn't provide any.
>My point wasn't chan posters. It was mentally ill people who post on chans that are capable of violence you don't point out to the same degree because you don't want to mock disabled people in specifics.
Mentally ill people aren't exactly prone to violence to others more than healthy people are. Unlike blacks, who are far more likely to commit violent crime than as far as I know any other group.
Hence, the two groups, which are in no way mutually exclusive, are not the same thing at all.
>Do not shift goal posts it makes you look suspicious.
Which goal posts? The statement that blacks are more violent, less educated and have as far as art goes achieved very little, isn't a goal, it's a simple statement of fact.
>Or the one who has to make two different ways of saying "hey I'm not like other /pol/ posters" like you're a teenage fucking girl
You are like a butthurt nigger, but who cares?

>>8479120
Harambe

Rest
In
Peace

>>8479944
>increased expanse, increased heat, and surviving megafauna
Says a lot when you cannot qualify any of these things or link them back to culture in any way. 0 - 1, me.

The Arab world flourished. 0 - 2, me.

>>8479951
>I didn't have to at all
Yep. But you did anyways.

>But they aren't, you idiot

But they are, you idiot.

>You didn't provide any.

It depends which you want. Bipolar Personality Disorder or Borderline Personality Disorder? That's for violence. Now what about genetics, genetics is a big one we have to go beyond autism. We have to keep everything pure and pristine and perfect

How about, we tell the Schizophrenics they're subhumans, and, tell the Schizoids to kill themselves like they already want to.

Nah you can't do that, that's just mean. They dindu nuffin.

>Mentally ill people aren't exactly prone to violence to others more than healthy people are.

Which
Mental
Illness
Are
You
Talking
About

>Which goal posts?

The one I set up you're trying to slither away from. You only give a shit about blacks when you could very well target a group of similar people among us that you either don't think of targeting or don't want to target because it would run counter to your agenda.

Which is to force these fucking threads down our throat all year until this board is basically dead and full of your jokes that you take seriously and you're willing to argue for an hour for.

Because it makes you feel good.

>You are like a butthurt nigger, but who cares?

I just think it's funny you're angry at me.

>>8479964

>>8479851
>political correctness
>4chan
Wew laddie, pointing out that the majority of mentally ill people aren't made violent by their symptoms isn't politically correct, it's a fact. Pointing out how nigs commit crime is the opposite of politically correct.

>>8479755
So is the Divine Comedy

>>8479989
>Wew laddie, pointing out that the majority of mentally ill people aren't made violent by their symptoms isn't politically correct, it's a fact.

Again


Which
Mental
Illness
Are
You
Talking
About

It tells so much when you refuse to give examples and specify and just say the broad monolithic "mental illness" like it means shit and doesn't wildly varry. The fact you have to keep running away from this and pointing towards a generalized "mentally ill people" when I say BE MORE FUCKING SPECIFIC, should say basically where your interests are.

Which is to shill, basically. You're a crossie who's here to shill and expect no confrontation or anyone to question your shit. If it isn't intentional, then you do get offended when someone disagrees and points out contradictory logic. Worse, that might be there intentionally.

And that certainly does sound like politically correctness doesn't it? It sounds like you just want the mantle to yourselves. It's ok, your fathers wore the same right wing social justice badge for a long time crying big wet tears in the name of Ronald Reagan. It's only fair the next generation of useful idiots wear it. You can watch your kids wear it too, fighting some more useless bullshit on the internet, maybe the jokes will be more forced and inane.

>>8480008
Do you know what majority means? I already explained further up the thread, the majority of mental illness is things like anxiety and depression, which doesn't cause violence. I also further explained that even illnesses that entail psychosis aren't inherently violent. Seriously, just pirate a copy of the DSM or email a psych professor. They'll happily confirm this for you, since you're likely too lazy to do your own research.

>>8480019
>Do you know what majority means

Majority of what? Mental Illness? Ok, now pretend that isn't the most general fucking term that cannot apply to different circumstances similarly at all.

Let's pretend.

You still have to worry about those that do cause violent outbursts in large enough numbers. Your bipolar, your psychosis, your borderline, your antisocial personality disorder.

And you have to do that, in similar amounts you malign blacks because well, they're fucking dangerous and listless too. But what's unfortunate is there are people like that who post there, and while they post about niggers and trannies being mentally ill retards that pollute the white bloodline

Shit, they probably don't really want to be called that either. They may turn on you and go somewhere else. And we both know the mentally ill adult population on here is large, come on. If you alienate everyone and tell them they don't belong in your fantasy white suburban 50's Americana dream where women are inferior and everyone is safe and blacks can be joked about.

And they're targeted. They don't see it anymore and that loses political support you need here.

And given how aggressive you're willing to argue and twist things, I'm willing you're not here to talk about literature at all. You're here to talk about social issues jokingly and shill.

Ultimately, let's end on an ironic note.

>They'll happily confirm this for you, since you're likely too lazy to do your own research.

Yeah, all of Shakespeare was written by a black woman, also the Bible (jesus was black) and also The Pyramids.

>>8479149

Ulysses is no masterpiece. You should look up the definition of a classic

>>8480032
>Majority of what? Mental Illness?
Yes, well done.
>Ok, now pretend that isn't the most general fucking term that cannot apply to different circumstances similarly at all.
This makes zero sense. It's perfectly specific. Mental illness is clearly defined, and statistics are available on the prevalence of mental illness among various populations.
>You still have to worry about those that do cause violent outbursts in large enough numbers. Your bipolar, your psychosis, your borderline, your antisocial personality disorder.
ASPD is the only one there seriously likely to have violent outbursts. Possibly borderline, but they're also very likely to self harm and verbally abuse instead. The majority of schizos and bipolar are not violent. This is a very common misconception among people who don't know much about mental illness.
>you malign blacks
I pointed out that they were more likely to commit crime, which is a statistical fact. You're strawmanning by trying to pin me as a white supremacist.
>not here to talk about literature
I was the first person in this thread to recommend the count of monte christo. I also moderate a /lit/ chat server.

>120+ replies
We have this thread everyday. Fuck this board

>>8480053
>Yes, well done.
>the most general fucking term that cannot apply to different circumstances similarly at all.

>This makes zero sense. It's perfectly specific
No it's not. Some mental illnesses cause more violent behavior than others.

Bipolar has you shifting moods faster than the tides. Borderline can get you 0 to 10 in a second aggressive and furious with the environment around you from outside stimuli fucking with you while you're trying to focus. Big thing with domestic abuse, them. Or we could say antisocial personality disorder, which is classically known as sociopathy, where people lack empathy and are more willing to commit cruelty towards living creatures, typically starting with animals and moving up to humans behaviorally or otherwise.

See mental illness isn't a fucking flag you can wear saying "SEE IT'S ALL SAFE I'M NOT A HYPOCRITE AT ALL" when the evidence you're demanding I look up screams otherwise.

You shouldn't ask people to look for evidence when they're confident about something by the way. Just a bad move to avoid in the future.

>ASPD is the only one there seriously likely to have violent outbursts
>Possibly borderline, but they're also very likely to self harm and verbally abuse instead

You got to be shitting me right? Borderline has no violent outbursts?

No this is obvious you are trying to shill and I caught you off guard.

>I pointed out that they were more likely to commit crime, which is a statistical fact. You're strawmanning by trying to pin me as a white supremacist.

I'm pointing out mental illness the same way and you're looking at me like I'm accusing you of murder. We're on the same side. I want less crime on the streets. You don't have to argue with me.

>I was the first person in this thread to recommend the count of monte christo. I also moderate a /lit/ chat server.

And?

>>8480075
>Bipolar has you shifting moods faster than the tides
Stopped reading here. Bipolar has you shift between major depressive, hypomania and manic episodes. Each of these episodes can last anywhere from days or months. If your episode of major depressive lasts LESS than two weeks, you are inelligible for diagnosis of Bipolar type two. I believe there is a similar time requirement with mania for Bipolar type 1. It's blatantly apparent you know jack shit about mental illness, please refrain from commenting on things you know nothing about in the future.

>>8480096
>Stopped reading here.

Did you ever start reading my arguments besides screaming mental illness was all the same under differing and varying circumstance.

See. He is right, Temporal Lobe Epilepsy, and Sociopathy, have different circumstance. There is no increase in capacity for committing crime. Even though I refuse to acknowledge this point, and worm around for hours, I am not mad or upset about being called a hypocrite. I could easily leave the thread.

>It's blatantly apparent you know jack shit about mental illness, please refrain from commenting on things you know nothing about in the future.

And you know jack shit apart from what anyone could get on wikipedia couldn't you. But my problem isn't just violence we got that covered with borderline and antisocial.

It's making the same jokes at their expense. Especially Bipolar. You call trannies mentally ill, and women uptight manipulative catty cunts. But only because it fits whatever agenda has let to grow mold all over the place without being thoroughly questioned by anyone.

If you started calling the actually mentally ill people, loser freak pieces of shit who have no future and should be looked upon as threats to themselves as others.

You couldn't do that. You know what might happen.

I eagerly await your next response.

>>8479620

>Our most distinguished living writer of narrative fiction—I don’t think you would quite call him a novelist—is Thomas Pynchon, and yet that recent book Vineland was a total disaster. In fact, I cannot think of a comparable disaster in modern American fiction. To have written the great story of Byron the lightbulb in Gravity’s Rainbow, to have written The Crying of Lot 49 and then to give us this piece of sheer ineptitude, this hopelessly hollow book that I read through in amazement and disbelief, and which has not got in it a redeeming sentence, hardly a redeeming phrase, is immensely disheartening.

Wtf I hate Pynchon now

>>8480111
The SJW is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him out on his poor scientific knowledge and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”

>>8480150
I didn't know almost verbatim quoting wikipedia against my criticism you're basically right wing social justice warriors made me, in turn, a social justice warrior

shit my bad dude

I'm sorry for calling you a clear hypocrite when you're a clear hypocrite.

>>8480111
>screaming mental illness was all the same
I'm not sure how you can delude yourself into thinking this when I'm clearly more knowledgeable on the topic than you are.
>Sociopathy, borderline
I already admitted ASPD was an exception to the rule, and corrected you on the point that the majority of people with BPD aren't violent towards others.
>you call women this, trannies that etc.
But my dear anon, I make fun of mentally ill people all the time. I make fun of everyone and everything. If you don't laugh, you cry.
>loser freak pieces of shit who should be locked up
See, this isn't making fun of, that's genuine malice. I malice which, despite your insistence, I have not displayed towards blacks at all. I reccommended black literature in this very thread. I simply corrected you on your stance that blacks weren't any more violent than whites. At this point, I expect you to circle back round and point out how mentally ill people/4channers are also more violent than the average white, but as I've already corrected you on this multiple times, I'd really rather you didn't.
>>8480150
Had a good laugh.
>>8480154
>quoting wikipedia verbatim
This is such a pathetic attempt at a cop out. Even if any of my posts were, as you say, copied straight out of wikipedia (protip: they weren't) they would still be more factually accurate than your incoherent, hackneyed understanding of mental illness.

>>8479120
>has a black

I don't know. has a white? my tastes are so up there no book ever written has ever satisfied me.

>>8479120

This far down and no Gugi. How /lit/, how?

>>8480150

Achebe. Things fall apart is not only a masterpiece, but also holds the record for the highest number of yams appearing in a novel.

>>8479865
Read this immediately as "Why not, dumbass?"

>>8479497
Beloved is great, but not a masterpiece. It's too obviously Faulkner-influeced, but then so is my current project. But I'm not black, so I don't expect to win the Nobel because of white guilt.