/lit/ - Literature

Dumb memes will become recognized as lame and people will stop using the Internet, society starts to regress and I steal all of your bovine meat while you sleep soundlessly at night in your tree hut, see you there

>>8469749
Post irony has been a thing for like 2 years now
Pic obviously related

>>8469749
Like pic related.

>>8469770
Pls go and stay go.

>>8469775
I'm jeremy1122

>>8469778
I'm jeremy1122 too

>>8469749
This is an example of post-ironic humor. It mocks the altered trollface jokes whilst posing as a crude sentimalisation of internet subculture.

>>8469768
Is it obviously related because it's supposed to be a meme but doesn't clearly exhibit any emotion, feeling, idea?

>>8469784
>It mocks the altered trollface jokes whilst posing as a crude sentimalisation of internet subculture.
So it does the same as trollface 2.0 did to trollface?

>>8469768
not post ironic
>>8469784
not post ironic

>>8469794
You have a point, even >>8469784 has flaws concerning a common point between sharing individuals. The only thing that would near to post-irony would be this.

>>8469749
>>>/b/
you can take a look at it. it's just porn for 13 year old edgelords who are confused about their sexuality.

>>8469808
"Trollface" wasn't even originally supposed to be a reaction image or whatever, it was just a face in a crudely drawn MS paint comic from 06-07.

>>8469784
>trollface
That's obviously Sans you faggot

>>8469812
You ok son?

>>8469873
I'm not. It's called saudade

>>8469770
this image is completely nonsensical

>>8469784
This is still just ironic. I think the tumblr 'I love my significant other so much!!!!' memes might be post-ironic, not sure.

i think after the whole irony shit is over everyone will go back to the whole self realized absurdity thing, which is cool if it's pulled off well. an example of this is https://twitter.com/dril

but also they may just abandon the concept of memes as a whole and just go back to generally funny images that don't have to fit a format, and memeing would be left to the scum like the good old days

>>8469784
That's interesting, because I detect no humor here, whether ironic, post-ironic, hemisemi-ironic, tragical-comical-pastoral-historical, whole-wheat, or what-have-you.

>>8470899
>friday night gathering up together a big pile of things i like to respect (flags, crucifixes ,etc) and just roll around in it ,give kisses,

>>8470917
Ironic, isn't it? :^)

>>8471115
dril tweets some goddamn masterpieces sometimes

>>8470899
so, aumms?

>>8471145
elaborate?

Is this ironic?

>>8470899
>>8471115
>>8471128

dril is norme as fuck

get educated https://twitter.com/utilitylimb

Post ironic is when people use memes to try and make a joke or make people laugh and doesn't use them as something related to the origin of the meme-message itself to express a feeling of understanding and unaccomplished uninterest.

>>8469828
trollface was originally the true form beneath the EFG mask.
i saw it with my own eyes

>>8471163
>https://twitter.com/utilitylimb
1 follower u may know
LIL B THE BASED GOD

>>8471153
>>8471153
aumms are basically anti-memes. e.g.
>facebook
>.com
>/groups/factsbearandfriends

I was just trying to expound the other poster's point, that moving into a post-ironic collective unconscious will lead to more content that doesn't fit a meme-format, only that it deliberately doesn't fit that format rather than haphazardly so. And then the working-class white folks and ultra religious facebook posters will be left to roll around in their own stock phrases superimposed onto stock images.

>>8471179
also fuck 4chan's spam filter.

>>8471180
this advanced meme is all four depending on who views it

/lit/ is too pleb to understand though

Why do people say we are in a post-ironic age of memes now when shit like Harambe are very much the epitome the ironic """"humor""""?

I will achieve T R I P S

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhNaU5mjgAE
Post-ironic Comedy Special

>>8471306
>not posting Bo burnham

This was like watching SNL actors try to be self-aware but unable to quite get rid of an ironic smirk.

>>8471319
Some of it's cringey but it has a lot of brilliance in it.
>The part where he drinks the whole water bottle
>The part where he threatens every female in the audience
>When he starts playing hide and go seek with the crowd

Just keep watching it.

>>8469893
pools closed

>>8471332
Still watching/skimming. The point is that even if it's "brilliant", it is so because its humor is 100% ironic, mocking the tropes and form of stand-up.

Whereas post-irony is something that Bo Burnham's "Make Happy" reaches for. It has a self-conscious awareness of stand-up's form, but rather than that being the "point" or humor of the performance, he works in spite of the form to get at something earnest/single-entendre/etc.

>>8471345
plus the fact that they preempted the video with a montage of fake comedian endorsements screams of insecurity and "lol look how ironic I'm being"

>>8471345
I haven't seen that special, but do you think you could give one example of something in it that achieves what you're mentioning.

>muh new internet humour

heh, you damn kids

VIII.2 (in the basilica); 1882: The one who buggers a fire burns his penis

VIII.2 (in the basilica); 1864: Samius to Cornelius: go hang yourself!

VI.14.20 (House of Orpheus); 4523: I have buggered men

I.7.8 (bar; left of the door); 8162: We two dear men, friends forever, were here. If you want to know our names, they are Gaius and Aulus.

I.10.2-3 (Bar of Prima); 8297: Word square

R O M A
O L I M
M I L O
A M O R

>>8471363
here's the end of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYy0o-J0x20

The performance here is obviously intentional but since this is /lit/ I give it a pass. Watch the whole thing through, but the moment at 6:30 is exactly the moment where he tries to transcend irony by using the ironic and funny moments of the song (Chipotle etc.) to demonstrate their vacuity in the face of his mental health issues he'd just been talking about.

>>8471385
>today I made bread

>>8471306
How is that not just plain ironic?

>>8471439
post-ironic is plain ironic

>>8471409
*holds up wooden spork*

>go on /lit/
>people are posting bo burnham clips
good bye

>>8469749
You think that you understand memes, but you do not understand memes.

>>8469768
>Post irony has been a thing for like 2 years now
More like 5 years. Floral Shoppe was released in late 2011.

>>8471452
>post-ironic is plain ironic
post-something don't mean "more something " but "beyond-something" e.g. post-anarchism

>>8471468

>Floral Shoppe
>Not this post-postironic masterpiece

>>8471471
so?

Most "post-irony" examples are just regular irony

So is post irony just new sincerity?
if not whats the difference?

>>8471393
is this fucking reddit

>>8471644
new sincerity is just post-modernism lapping itself

>>8471597
>Most "post-irony" examples are just regular irony
then they aren't post-ironic

>>8471644
New Sincerity attempts to abandon irony in favour of sincerity. Post-Irony no longer clearly differentiates between irony and sincerity.

>>8469749
Wrapping my head around these multiple layers of irony is somethin I genuinely struggle with. Am I a retard or are multiples layers of irony an ironic concept as well?

t. sincerity

>>8471163
i love utility limb as much as the next guy but he literally hasn't tweeted since 2012. dril still tweets daily so i think he's better.

>>8469808
>>8469828
>>8469893
>>8471333
Ive been on this website for 10 years now. Damn

>>8471306

that is the unfunniest fucking bullshit i have ever seen in my entire life, complete ass, hot garbage

thanks for wasting my time you piece of shit

also it's not post irony at all

>>8471393

FUCK you niggers have complete shit taste

why do i even come here

if you honestly thought that was funny you should just kill yourself

>>8471789

reddit comment section is genuinly funnier than that

>>8471464

at this point lit is pretty much just a 50/50 mix of /mu/ and /pol/ crossposters

no wonder why its dogshit

Where does this fall on the timeline? Could it be???

Did DFW successfully make IJ New Sincerity as described in his essay? I keep hearing it as an 'attempt.'

Post-ironic image right here

>>8469749
>Will our society survive it?
Probably not.

>>8471345
>>8471362
>>8471393
>>8471789
>>8472141
>>8471464
to be clear, I posted bo burnham in response to the dan klein clip. Dan is ironic, bo is (at least trying to be) post-ironic. Whether you like either of them is beside the point, they just happen to illustrate the difference well.

Self awareness ≠ postmodernism

>>8469763
kek

What do you think of the Silmarillion

>>8472398
This post is the real post irony.

>>8472487
>>8472398
Its like the ambiguity of post-irony's definition has become a meme itself

Have some gangster popeye

>>8472188
How so?

>>8471306
just realized this is from 2014
so his career ended after this?

What ever happened to new post-sincerity?

>>8472646
I honestly don't know.

>>8472646

>>8471306
The audience seems to be responding to that as though it was entirely sincere. I know he gets a lot of hate for being too middle-class but Stewart Lee is a lot better at whatever this is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQsknEsgz7s

>>8472661
>I know he gets a lot of hate for being too middle-class
That's pure ressentiment. He's no more middle class than any other idiot that gets paid to do writing shit, and his background is considerably more disadvantaged than most who throw that accusation.

>>8472677
Sure, I don't care, I like his stuff. He actually deconstructs stand-up comedy as opposed to what that Dan guy is doing, which is just "ironically" doing bad stand-up.

>>8472680
All I'm saying is his father was Scottish, his mother was his father (Scotch people repoduce asexually), so when he sees a haggis he doesn't know whether to eat it or stick up his ass.

>>8472708
According to Wikipedia he was adopted and brought up in Shropshire. I can't think of any stereotypes about Shropshire.

>>8472661
anti-islamic standup

>>8472149
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>>8472655
The point of it seems to be taking the most retarded, trashy, juvenile forms possible and sticking into them things that are very arcane, offensive, or somehow far out the mainstream. For instance, that frog pic has obviously advanced occult symbols only someone who's researched into can tell the meaning of, put in the form exploited today by countless idiots on twitter and facebook (Pepe le frog!!!) and, of course, 4chan, as a way of, so to speak, "taking back" the meme by making such an obscure and overly intelligent picture no one would think of posting on facebook.

Same with the tacky looking posters, they look like something children on the internet would be posting and laughing over on 9gag, but are instead too offensive or incomprehensible for that.

And then the stickman comic, finally, looks like some mainstream xkcd type funny meme comic that could be reposted everywhere, but is too bizarre to be.

>>8472807
>The point of it seems to be taking the most retarded, trashy, juvenile forms possible and sticking into them things that are very arcane, offensive, or somehow far out the mainstream. For instance, that frog pic has obviously advanced occult symbols only someone who's researched into can tell the meaning of, put in the form exploited today by countless idiots on twitter and facebook (Pepe le frog!!!) and, of course, 4chan, as a way of, so to speak, "taking back" the meme by making such an obscure and overly intelligent picture no one would think of posting on facebook.
It's no pic related.

>And then the stickman comic, finally, looks like some mainstream xkcd type funny meme comic that could be reposted everywhere, but is too bizarre to be.
And it's no super mega.

All lack a certain level of quality for sure.

yung lean - kyoto

>muh esoteric internet humor
>muh multiple layers of irony

Go back to twitter and facebook you faggots

>>8469768
>>8471468
>>8471577
>>8471597
>>8472188
>summer

Someone reply when this thread has hit terminal irony. I'll wait as long as it takes.

>>8469768
>>>/mlp/

>>8471246
They are jogging on a treadmill and like to pretend they're moving forward.

>>8472655
>>8472570
>>8472549
These make me laugh.

>>8471180
>looks like loss
>doesn't act like loss
How am I supposed to trust an ironic meme to tell me about post- and meta-ironic memes?

>>8472715

There is a Lad from there.

>>8469749
what will post-post-ironic look like? dimwit.

>>8471319
The smirk is intentional though.
>>8472661
The whole thing is clearly filmed. The audience reactions are a part of the comedy of it.

Also, it is post-ironic. It's sincerity is in it's cynicism.

>>8471345
I really don't like this. In the opening he calls the world an unfunny place, makes the audience feel the severity of this statement by citing that 12% of the world's population lacks clean drinking water, before "subverting" the statement, that is, by making the audience laugh anyway. But it is not subversive because the laughter hides the content of the statement, that is, while he tells the audience not to forget about their problems, they do.

Compare this with the depiction of death in medieval art. The artist always takes death's side and mocks humanity and its pompous plans and calculations, which are always overturned by fate and made null. The medieval mindset was that the world was funny because it was awful, that say an artist was going to die at a young age, half-way through a fresco just because he couldn't have a glass of water was funny to them, because it revealed the vanity and pride of the artist and moreover revealed the truth that the universe in its essence had no consideration for mortal designs.

So rather than considering the world unfunny and laughing at it anyway, the world was funny because it was awful. In the latter seriousness is preserved (and consciousness of death, the passing of time, and so on), while in the former they are buried beneath pretense.

>>8471238
i see chaika

what have you done you bastard

I've used the word post-ironic sort of ironically but not really (post-ironically?) before and what I meant by it was the idea of doing art, or whatever, in a fashion that seems ironic in some way at first but actually the irony form is an excuse to be silly, stupid, or transgressive while still sincerely enjoying the final work for itself.

Yay or Nay?

>>8471306
Not funny on any level

>>8472715
He was born in Shropshire, he grew up in Solihull. You can take your pick p much, esp since his biological parents were Scottish.

>>8474217
>he posts summer on a non /b/ board
>he posts summer post-2010

Summer

>>8469749
I think irony is too limited a term to describe the entirety of what OP's picture. people get confused when they extend the concept of irony too far.

It's true that OP's memes are pre-ironic and ironic, in that the 'pre-ironic' is sincere communication and the 'ironic' is not, it's a sarcastic joke in meme format.

But what's also going on here is the packing of more and more information into less and less space. The images are becoming denser and more insider knowledge is required to understand and appreciate them.You need to know the specific memes/formats referenced, and what is and isn't good, what's to be enjoyed ironically and what's not. That isn't irony, it's the development of a form of expression that is becoming more complex, in much the same way that the literary tradition came about and began building on itself.

>>8475439

Do you like Eric Andre?

>>8475463
>The images are becoming denser and more insider knowledge is required to understand and appreciate them.
I disagree. I understand that you want that to happen but really we're getting very undense memes lazily reedited as most people move onto smartphones.

When we had to sit at a puter memes would be made in pirated photoshop and were typically higher quality. So memes have moved from artisan/craft to shit.

>>8472651
clever girl

This is close

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVDDnDzpoHM

>>8471306
hey isn't that the guy from the seinfeld parody

>>8474217

Didn't school already start?

>>8474296
das good

>>8471180
How can you even call it a meme if it doesn't look or act like a meme

>>8469770
Sounds boring desu

>>8471925
http://metaphysicist.com/puzzles/many/

>>8469770
that comic is so bad

>>8471238
Karen.

>>8469770
This image is completely retarded

>>8476007
Oh, quality-wise they're definitely worse. I'm just saying that to actually understand them requires a familiarity with memes, where with older (less complex) memes, you don't.You don't need to know what a meme is to appreciate a demotivational, but to appreciate 'dont wew me or my lad ever again' you need to know about 'dont talk to me or my son ever again' and 'wew lad' and that it's not to be taken at face value.

>>8476039
I'm a boy btw.

>>8477235
that's an ironic meme, it's not supposed to be a meme but its very nature of existence is meme itself personified

>>8475995

Ded

If anything I would argue irony is going to be one of the shortest lived trends of the internet

The inmate with a mop held back the inmate without a mop.

Is it post-irony that when I see two men making out on television I say, "That's gay"?

>>8469786
Both.

>>8471471
>>8471439
It's subversive to its precedent which is subversive to its antecedent. Either way, it's all irony.

>>8474960
>I really don't like this
>like
That's tantamount to saying you read for pleasure. Your comparison might be valid, but it doesn't have anything to do with whether the work itself is ironic or post-ironic.

And >>8474948
being sincere in one's irony doesn't make them post-ironic, it simply makes them more ironic. "Post-" means something set apart from, or transcending, the irony in spite of the form, not just being more of the same thing

>>8477622
What would the fave value of 'dont wew me or my lad ever again' be?

The key of post-irony is self deprecation. In essence, the r9k betas will somehow become sought after and will become the new Chads, and the Old Chads will become the New Betas.

>>8480145
no
there is no key to post irony
it's people who don't know what they want in life being ironic

To answer as to whether memes have reached post-irony, the question must be asked:
What is the primary function of a meme? Is it to be an inside-joke, or an easily understandable joke?

Thinking on the more earlier memes out there, I would think that memes were to be the latter.
However as time went on, it became more unpopular for something to be labelled as a meme. So, in turn, memes reflected that. Memes deviated in their style so they would be able to constantly evade the dreaded title of 'meme', for to be labelled a meme was to be the death of that meme. As of right now, with memes in general having begun entering moreso into mainstream society, now memes are wanting the label of 'meme', but in a different fashion. Instead, the label of 'meme' for memes nowadays is one purely ironic. They want to be labelled as a meme for the sheer irony of it.

Look at Pepe. At first it was a meme unto its own. A classic, pre-ironic meme. As time went on, as memes became ironic, Pepe was hated as a forebearer of the label of 'meme'. Memes had to deviate from 'memes' like Pepe. Then /r9k/ and /pol/ came along and spruced it up tensfold. It was something within itself, its classic display subverted into one of violence, gore, profanity, and arcane magic, and that very subversion became a meme. The subversion which created despise against Pepe was then subverted, as Pepe became embraced as a meme, a subversion unto its subversion.

Frankly, I myself am having trouble following along with what I just wrote. So to put it like this:
pre-ironic meme (classic use of Pepe) --> irony (hatred of Pepe) --> post-ironic (PRAISE KEK, PEE PEE POO POO, NORMIES GET OUT REEE)

So, in conclusion, it would be safe to say that memes have reached at least post-irony.

>>8480280
Hatred of Pepe is not irony. Current level is ironic, irony being used to wash away the stain of normalfaggotry. Only when this irony would suffer the ironic treatment, will we reach the level of post-irony.

>>8478235
That's the spirit

>>8480131
It has no face value in itself. 'dont wew me or my lad' has no meaning at all unless you understand that it is a joke about two separate memes, 'wew lad' and 'dont talk to me or my son again'. cf older memes like lolcats, demotivationals etc which can be understood without reference to anything else

>>8482517
I sort of see what you're getting at, but demotivationals and lolcats have done similar things years back. I'd say trollface2.0 was ironic memeing and Pepe pee pee poo poo stuff was post ironic if only in how they were made and posted.

post irony is the sincerity in irony, most commonly in cynical irony. an outsider would wrongly say: it's hypocritical regression. but in fact it's sincere in its irony while indirectly mocking regression via ironic cynic regression which isn't actually regression but seems to be to the viewer, while obviously isn't to the individuals experiencing. to refer to it without using meme language: it's the truth in the lie or to be precise 'A truth in The lie(s)'

>>8471385
>you will never have a friendship like Gaius and Aulus

>>8471306
I like this desu

Also the fact that apparently many people don't get it makes me feel kinda smart. :P

so do we like da share z0ne or not

>What is Hypersphere and Totalitarian Tundra

So what do you guys think of [s4s]? To me it seems like a place where people post stream of consciousness shit, which is often in the format of a meme but with no content, e.g. a picture of steve pinker with the caption "ass". It's a non-sequitor and conveys no information yet is reposted in a formulaic way like a meme, it's getting to the essence of the form and can create a similar reaction of amusement, despite not containing any message or joke.

>>8471180
Can I get some examples?

>>8471577
No this pulls it back a step. Floral Shoppe was sincerity riding on irony. This make a self aware ironic pass at what Floral Shoppe was.

>>8471468
i see no post irony in floral shoppe, but maybe u were bantering

>>8469749
I don't understand "ironic". stuff like "I only watch it ironically" What does that even mean? is it your guilty pleasure and are you too shy to say you like it or are unsure about your feelings on the book/show,etc?

>trying to define time periods by singular words when millions of people are on the internet with different opinions all changing and occurring at different times because a couple of vocal minorities express particular sentiments and memes

LOL!

>>8469749
>he hasn't been appreciating everything in his life ironically and sincerely simultaneously until he's lost track of what he "really" feels to such a degree that even locating the place where "realness" was located has become impossible
Yeah you're gonna get lost in the cybermall m8 ;)

>>8471925
Correct.

>>8471471
Post-something means using the same elements/characteristics of a movement in a new, different way.

>>8485177
So is it considered reactionary?

>>8483014
I think that album was made as a serious attempt at making good music but tried to hide that fact with a layer of ironic.

So it looks like it was ironic but was actually sincere; that's what makes it post-ironic.

>>8477235
nigger

>>8482570

>>8482865
[s4s] is sometimes ironic and almost always post-ironic.

There could be thread with something like "vote berine sesandars, a future we can sudenly belief in."

To think of that post as ironic would suggest that the poster didn't really like Sanders and wanted to mock the people who do. The spelling mistakes could suggest that Sanders supports are stupid, young or both.

But that is not (I suspect) what is really going on at all. The post is not meant to mock anything specifically, it exists for the sake of itself. There is also a reference to "ses" which is a [s4s] meme. The fact that someone could get upset by a [s4s] post because they thin people are merely being ironic is part of the joke. EX: a thread saying "let's act like we're on [r9k]" then have someone on [r9k] see the thread and make a thread on [r9k] in which they unironically shit on [s4s].

Saying "[s4s] is a nice board" is a common meme. This statement is could be seen as ironic because [s4s] is not nice, but if you take all the posts literally then you could believe that it is a nice board. The purpose of such a statement is not to mock niceness, it has become a almost sincere statement that is covered in a layer of irony. "Ha you thought I was being ironic, I was only pretending." The previous statement could even be ironic in that it mocks the idea of being ironic whilst being ironic.

Someone could unironically use [s4s] and no one would be able to tell the difference. If someone asked "how do you fortune," or "where do you find dubs," everyone would assume it was ironic when it really could be a sincere first timer.

That atmosphere is what makes [s4s] post-ironic. It could be seen as a circle jerk but [s4s] users would be the first to point that out. "None of these jokes are funny," or "I don't get what the point of [s4s] is," are often said by either sincere and confused people or shitposters making "dank memes."

[s4s] mocks everything and nothing. It mocks sincerity itself. It mocks irony and post-irony. It mocks the board and its users and written language with all its idiosyncrasies.

The ironic use of memes is using something that is sincerely used by someone else to make fun of them. This is a concept that closely intertwines with satire. Take, for example, montage parodies. A video with dubstep and constant references to weed would usually be considered obnoxious or a faux pas, but by using these ironically and at the same time cranking it up to eleven and targeting different source material than CoD, you are poking fun at people who use it sincerely. The purpose is to make someone else the joke-- the material itself is not the joke.
Post-irony is a little less clear. Post-ironic use of something generally means you adopt that thing for your own use without using it sincerely. The sincere users are still being made fun of, but now it's more about you than them. This can confuse some who haven't experienced this to think that you're sincere, and post-irony does teeter on the edge of new-sincerety, but you're simply using your jokes out of a more satirical context. Going back to my previous example, /r/montageparodies users commonly use the mannerisms in the videos to speak to each other. They've taken their satirical jokes out of context. It's also important to note the meta nature of post-ironic jokes, and usually you need to have an understanding of the satirical and truly ironic use of things before you can understand their post-ironic uses.
Sincere usage is the true and blue usage of a meme. The sincere use of something, especially internet memes, is usually only accepted for a short while before backlash and it's consideration as a faux pas. For an idea of sincere usage, take /r/adviceanimals. Unlike, say, spurdo, whose intent is to mock posts of low quality (and eventually went beyond ironic into new sincerety) the people there genuinely use the memes and think that they're funny. The joke is the content itself. No one is being made fun of and nothing is satirized. It's plain, vanilla, lowbrow humor.
New sincerety is almost like post-irony. New sincerety happens over time. The process involves targeting a group and satirizing them through the ironic use of their mannerisms. Then, you take it out of context and use it post-ironically. Then, after a while, you may begin to use these mannerisms in real life and find that now, when you use these mannerisms, the intent is not to make fun of someone anymore. Now you've crossed into new sincerety. You've used their mannerisms so much you've integrated with them seamlessly and now you're undistinguishable from the people you initially tried to make fun of. Now, you're one of them.

>>8486608
Please critique me on this example

>people started saying "lit" to describe fun parties, etc. (college student)
>my friends and I would say it to make fun as it became really popular. This is irony?
>we started to use it in private, discussing our lives and not using it to make fun of other, but still in a kind of funny way (post ironic?)
>we have no yet reached a new sincerity of saying lit. I hope we don't

>>8486671
english words follow many similarities to Dawkin's meme but ultimately are just transmitting single-entendre meanings.

normie memes are a bad examples as well because they are almost never used in an ironic context because they simply die.

an actual example of a post-ironic meme used unironically is this post:
>>8486497
as an example to the post it is replying to.

>>8471468
5 years? you must be 17. I suppose you got 3 years on the other shmuck

>>8469749
I don't think we'll know because we're so entrenched in irony

Post irony is the beginning of absolute sincerism.

>>8486607
>>8482865
True answer: it's a board for mentally challenged 5 year olds and you got duped. There's no deeper meaning to it.

>>8469749
For real can 4chan have a /meme/ board specifically for the 'academic' discussion of them? Like what memes are hot right now, the different periods of memes, what memes are relevant to which topics, where they spread, etc.

>>8471925
>>8471180


Reminds me of Cuil Theory

What are we doing right now? Art theory? Cultural studies? Philosophy?

what is this thing?

>>8488816
It's pomo-modernism, the new form of ironic-post-irony.

>>8488824
well, i understand it is pomo-shitposting. But if were to want to follow an academic formation on that matter, how would I proceed?

>>8488614
Why is the discussion of memes only relegated to their most basic form? It would be like if geneticists only discussed viruses, or worse.

Memeticists need to strive for better than image-macros and copy-pasta.

>>8469749

You're forgetting the part where you make a basic screenshot for a post, add in a million different posts that are in varying levels of zoom, add in different images also in varying levels of zoom, and then post it to a board. Fucking /v/ even ruined screencapping threads by being retarded and needing things pointed out to them.

Fucking retards.

>>8488861
All the more reason to have a board. I don't know shit about memes since I wouldn't know where to research them anyways. Maybe I should goto school for meme studies

>>8488816
>What are we doing right now?
Same thing we do every night pinky, shitposting.

>>8471251
no me

>>8469784
That's meta-ironic buddy

>>8469749
Each civilization passes through a post-ironic phase on the eve of its dissolution.

>>8489729
Well, he's no SIR

Every meme will become Millhouse.

>is my (this) post ironic or post ironic?

is this post-ironic?

The lines between meme and reality will blur. Look into meme magic and especially the way people behave on acht-chan. Also eris worship. It's already as set in as it can be. It will never be mainstream because then people would go around killing each other for fun

>>8471180

>>8479873
>>8474960 here

Lol my friend

>That's tantamount to saying you read for pleasure.

I do indeed read for pleasure. What's called aesthetic pleasure--might have heard of it.

In clarifying an earlier point, "sincerity" against "irony" is meaningless--all that means anything is seriousness, be it biting and apparent, subtle and acidic, open, plain and playful, etc... This "irony-sincerity" divide is not much more than a distracting game.

Memes are now a meme

Is that post irony?

>>8491431
Yes, it is

>>8485193
No reactionary would be trying to use the pre-ironic elements again the same way.

>>8479873
"Post-" means after. You're overomanticizing it.

>>8488581
You are terribly narrow-minded.

>>8478798

irony has existed forever, how is this possible

>>8469749
Is being ironic ironically in order to mock people who are unironically ironic post-irony?

>>8486378
Yep.

>>8469770

>becoming a sincerity cuck

humanity will always favor cruelty over deep thought or empathy like that

its in our nature as animals, plus you sound like a fuckin nerd

>>8471163
>https://twitter.com/utilitylimb


fine weird twitter taste friend

I can't be the only one here who doesn't understand 90% of this shit, can I?

fyad fyad lol

>>8472807
>and, of course, 4chan, as a way of, so to speak, "taking back" the meme by making such an obscure and overly intelligent picture no one would think of posting on facebook.

2013 until now was/is such a wired time for 4chan. The one thing i remember about 2012 was this site almost universally trying to dissociate itself with meems after reddit and tumblr really started gaining steam. Now look at it.

>>8494078
Meh, humanity's (or conscious beings' in general) thrust is in overcoming its primal, "cruel" nature. Irony can be used to make incredible art (e.g. lots of pomo literature), but hiding behind irony in order to justify animal-nature-behavior-and-thought is simply limiting.

>>8471163

ulimb is/was probably my fav twitter acct ever, completely untouchable

>>8482833
it's basically #justgirlythings-esque relatable content for internet shut-ins dressed up like ironic humor. so kinda I guess

>>8495284
I agree with this. I left back then, and returned now, and memes are more than welcomed, while in the past no one used memes, and those who did were told to return to 9gag with words like 'lol maymays' in mockery.
When I returned a couple of months ago, I noticed that memes is a word used unironically, and embraced on all boards. Now I guess I can say memes are now a meme, if that makes any sense. Which in turn make me see it as a cycle, Embraced, rejected, embraced as a reject, then embraced, then rejected, and so on

>>8480340
you're probably one of those "dumb frogposter" faggots aren't you

>>8489791
This is literally me.