/lit/ - Literature

No, they are for the most part barely literate idiots.
I could list you some conservative authors of significant quality, but frogposters don't read.

start with

My Twisted World - Elliot Rodger
Infinite Jest - Thomas "DFW" Joyce

>>8443242
textbooks on logic, science, and biology

>>8443246
I read your post just now, and I didn't ask for stale conservative drivel. I want books about this movement in particular.

>>8443242
I hate to associate it with this alt-right meme, but if you want neo-reactionaries the Moldbug is what you're after

this is from 2009 so well before these ideas were getting attention:

http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.ca/2009/01/gentle-introduction-to-unqualified.html

>>8443242
Read Hypersphere, it was created by some of the most famous alt-righters.

>>8443269
from what i understand NRxers dream of a world where people with autism spectrum disorders rule over normies with an iron fist. sounds p cool

>>8443281
autists do rule you

What's "alternative" or "mainstream" is a spook.

>>8443267
It's not a movement.
There are no books on it.
It's just shitposting on /pol/.
Barely literate isn't illiterate, hence why I called you barely literate and not illiterate, idiot.

just lurk /pol/

>>8443293
>Clinton made a speech about "shitposting on /pol/"
No, she made it clear that it was a movement. If you don't want to be helpful that's fine, just stop trying to troll me.

By the way, someone who doesn't read IS illiterate. I think we both know who the "barely literate" one here is.

>>8443242
Alt-right is a pseud generated, liberal perpetuated meme. It took what was previously unmemeable and streamlined it into a mainstream idiocy. Where buzzwords like David Duke and 'frog worship' are interpreted as being used without a shred of selfawareness.

You're better off reading Evola.

>>8443269
Neoreaction= im a nerd who fantasizes about getting fucked in the ass by a greasy tech venture capitalist's mighty randian cock

>>8443281
Moldbug is not really one of those people. He's a bit of a strange character. He's a Jewish California tech guy who I think was at one point a libertarian. He's also married and has children.

Why he spent like 2 decades combing through the annals of Western reaction and ranting on the internet about the evils of democracy is a question I will leave for psychologists but his stuff is often very thought-provoking, and the sources he exposes you to are even more interesting.

>>8443310
>No, she made it clear that it was a movement.
The fact that she made it clear doesn't mean shitposting on /pol/ is a movement.
Shitposting on /pol/ is still shitposting on /pol/.
Shouting PEPE on a speech is more or less what the movement is, memes.
> If you don't want to be helpful that's fine, just stop trying to troll me.
We get what, 10 daily /pol/ threads, lurk more or fuck off or better yet ask them.
>By the way, someone who doesn't read IS illiterate.
Someone who cannot read is illiterate, not someone who doesn't read.
>I think we both know who the "barely literate" one here is.
Yes, now fuck off.

>>8443327
An all around embarrassing reply, every one of your "points" are demonstrably false. You write like a redditor too.

>>8443242
Sandstorm by Darude

I identify as alt-right as well and here are some essential reads that'll provide you with enough evidence and logic to BTFO nu-male cucks and feminists:

>'On Women' by Schopenhauer
>Mein Kampf by Hitler
>The Culture of Critique Series by McDonald
>the Decline of the West by Spengler
>Sex and Character by Weininger
>Art of the Deal by Trump
>Manipulated Man by Vilar
>My Twisted World by Rodger
>Unabomber's Manifesto
>Brevik's manifesto
>The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
>The Bell Curve


This will redpill you, but /lit/ will try to dissuade you from achieving enlightenment

>>8443335
Sure, will you fuck off with these non-/lit/ threads now?

>>8443280
>ywn read the paragraph where Zizek fucks Wittgenstein for the first time again

>>8443347
You have not actually read the Decline of the West. Stop tarnishing its name by associating it with that other bullshit

>>8443350
This is a thread about alt right literature. If you don't know of any then get the fuck out of the thread, kid.

>>8443246
I would like quality conservative author recs.

>>8443352
>leftist retard detected

>>8443352
Very few /pol/fags ever read anything beyond Stop Being A Pleb memes, why would you expect them to know anything about it beyond the name?
It's almost as idiotic ad listing Evola as a traditionalist because he said the word tradition. >>8443360
I'll post it in a few minutes mate, although it will be based mostly on the Catholic tradition, my interests were mostly focused on it.

>>8443242
Anything Arktos publishes.

>>8443362
>leftist
I will out-reactionary you m8. I simply don't like people calling Spengler reactionary or fucking 'alt-right'. He invented an entire philosophy of history, he wrote an absolutely beautiful and amazing book about world history and the West in particular, he influenced a shit ton of people including Wittgenstein and Heidegger and the most random assortment of others.

That he has been forgotten/relegated to being a 'reactionary' is a crime.

I dont; even mind some of what you posted there, the Schopenhauer and the Unabomber manifesto both have interesting stuff. But they are nowhere near The Decline of the West, and Spengler was not a fucking reactionary

>>8443374
Schopenhauer was fucking spot on about inferior roastwhores, and Unabomber inspired Breivik to dissect how the Left is destroying the world.

Spengler is along the same lines, do you honestly think he's a feminist cuck?

Alt right is like the Norwegian black metal of political philosophy. Mostly harmless posturing, some genuine interesting stuff, no rules besides edgy and some people will burn a church.

You have three/four major veins:

>Mold buggian neo-reaction
Mold bugs blog and his disciples.
Essentially let's return to monarchy, and why the left always wins guys?

>Accelerationism
Nick land.
What would it feel like to be a techno cyber vampire sent back in time to ensure absolute spirit *cough* I mean A.I. is actualized...
Exactly like this?


>IQ realism/government by race/racial realism

Some types prefer different governments [sic] so whites might be destroying liberty by making countries less white


>No PC bullshit populism

Prevalent in all categories and on its own. Meme magic and dindoos whatever. Pepe. Have a laugh

>>8443384
Spengler transcends your facile identity politics and identifies the source of Western decline as being a part of the natural lifespan of civilizations. He points out that this has happened in every civilization ever, our situation is nothing new.

The Left are a cancer but everything dies, you can't turn back time. Western people will never again have a real religious feeling or sense of purpose. There will be no more crusades, no artistic innovation, no optimism or love for self in the West. We have witnessed 400 years of revolution and reaction and the pattern is clear, we are going the way of Rome and Baghdad and so many others.

>>8443413
If we bring back the white race and make sure white populations can live in peace without racemixing then we will see Western civilization soar to new heights and usher in a new white dawn.

Deus fucking Vult. Think about what kind of world you want your children to grow up in. You can't give up

>>8443413
>There will be no more crusades, no artistic innovation, no optimism or love for self in the West

This is also bullshit. There is nothing particularly important about the West than for a time it dominated. But only for a fraction of human history. A fraction, of a fraction, of a fraction.For most of man's civilized time, The Egyptians ruled. Beyond that the Near East. For a time China.

Humanity is capable of great things, great achievements of terrible war or unparalleled innovation and problem solving. The West is not the be all end all of these things, and it never was.

>>8443431
>If we bring back the white race and make sure white populations can live in peace without racemixing then we will see Western civilization soar to new heights and usher in a new white dawn.
>Deus fucking Vult. Think about what kind of world you want your children to grow up in. You can't give up

This is a board specifically for people educated, not for people with a high school understanding of history.

>>8443436
>this is what leftism does to your brain

>>8443440
>this is a board specifically for (((educated))) people who have gone through liberal indoctrination institutions

ftfy

>>8443436
I don't see where you found an argument to the contrary in my post. There is nothing 'better' about the West than there was about Classical or Arabic or chinese civilization.

>>8443450
You see the west as the pinnacle of education and enlightenment, yet at the very same time demand that your specific ideology be promoted and the education you pride yourself on that we have shouldn't be listened to because it's allegedly corrupt by conspiracy. A conspiracy for you not to get your way.

This is not how life works. Perhaps it is not the fault of grand nonsensical conspiracy but the fact that academics disagree with you, and academic consensus is what truly matters.You can't say we're the educated ones and decry education as the evil jews.You can't have it both ways.

>>8443460
>There is nothing 'better' about the West than there was about Classical or Arabic or chinese civilization.

My point was that it isn't the end for those things you mentioned. It's always in a state of beginning for all involved, especially today. The only real end would be the ending of mankind.

>>8443440
It's precisely because I have been educated in the wonders of Western Civilization that I support the Alt Right. Orwell, Shakespeare, Socrates, Nietszche, General Robert E. Lee.... what would they think to see their sons and daughters throw it all away? All the glories of the west... gone, alas. Replaced by Twerking, Sharia courts and transgenderism. My fellow patricians, everything we love and cherish is in danger. It is time to take a stand. Trump is our Lionheart, Our Charles Martel, our Robert E Lee, he is our last hope. If neccessary I shall lie down my life for EVROPA, for the honor of my people. TRUMP!

Isn't this picture what they read? Also that book called the 'rational' male and Jack Donovan, at least that is what Amazon's "Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought" and Goodreads' "Readers Also Enjoyed" showed.

I was actually interested in reading stuff, but tried one and it was basically poetry and not very profound so I got bored.

I would like to know more about this Alt Right movement.

Have the New Atheists inspired them as well?

>>8443477
>Orwell, Shakespeare, Socrates, Nietszche, General Robert E. Lee

You aren't educated in Western Civ

>>8443469
Since the 60s academia has been taken over my cultural marxists intent on breeding out whiteness.

>>8443484
>Have the New Atheists inspired them as well?

Pretentious inspires pretention.

>>8443483
You are responding to an ironic meme post

>>8443469
I explicitly said 'in the west', in the sense that Spengler meant. I have no doubt there will be future civilizations that will create great things.

>>8443477
You haven't actually read anything by Nietszche, Socrates has no surviving works and Orwell is for teenagers

>>8443489
Except Cultural Marxism died before the 60'sand what you're witnessing is capitalism. You have a mish mash uneducated understanding of how the world actually works and if you have social critique (while otherwise decrying social critique), then read.

Cultural Marxism was an idea that one should beat Capitalism at its own game of marketing itself. Except Capitalism was far better because it was amoral, and could do what it wished in whatever way possible without a sense of standard, for which the theory at the time did not.

As for the idea consensus is corrupt, that peer review is corrupt. I'm going to demand cited sources. And once again, you will not supply them. As your kind never does.

>>8443501
>Socrates has no surviving works
My bad obviously I meant he never wrote anything down

>>8443369
Thanks pal, I'll be waiting.

>>8443505
>Except Cultural Marxism died before the 60's

Nice try retard. Try seeing any new Disney movie, they always are about muh equality, and racemixing couples feature in Hollywood movies. Coincidence?

>>8443520
You're awful at bait. It has a certain quality to it of how obvious it is, but it also suffers from how obvious it is. Over all a 5.4/10

>>8443347

>>8443505
Explain to me how letting 2 million uneducated Muslims into Germany and paying them for it has anything to do with capitalism.

>>8443527
>you: "cultural marxism isn't real!"
>me: "here are a couple of examples from (((cultural marxist))) controlled media"
>you: "y-your baiting me! You're a troll!"

Leftists, everyone

>>8443533
>Explain to me how letting 2 million uneducated Muslims into Germany and paying them for it has anything to do with capitalism.

Explain to me how it doesn't have precedent? Explain to me how it happened in the first place.

The Alt Right is one of my many cultural enemies, such as communism, and like I said many more.

But can we flung a bit less shit at each other?

>>8443537
Me: Cite a source that peer review in toto has been corrupted beyond a reasonable doubt
You: Disney Movies

>>8443539
It's clearly to cause a demographic shift in the West, destroy white culture, and make the white race obsolete

>>8443539
An empty and meaningless reply, what more can you expect from a pseud.

>>8443552
>It's clearly to cause a demographic shift in the West, destroy white culture, and make the white race obsolete

Nope try again. I'll give you a hint, there's profit incentive involved in multipleways.

>>8443552
>muh white persecution complex

Fuck off cuck

>>8443557
They're after the white race. You're right. You are one of the few who know.....they can't handle the truth.......

>>8443558
>profit
>enormous strain on economy, high unemployment and unhappy population

>>8443552
If you believe in the superiority you claim to have then this won't worry you

>>8443565
Could you miss the point any harder. I'm giving you another chance. I'm praying you'll miss the point again

>>8443505

>Except Cultural Marxism died before the 60'sand what you're witnessing is capitalism.

>Implying both of them don't compliment one another
>Implying I don't hate both

>>8443572
You've dodged the question 3 times. You are confusing capitalism with something else no doubt.

So, ok, I want to actually learn about the Alt Right instead of insulting back and forth.

What's up with the Unabomber, is it meming or does the Alt Right actually have anarcho-primitivist tendencies? That is very surprising to me since primitivism is usually on the left spectrum.

And as I understand it is a kind of revolutionary movement but not unified in ideology except for a unified dislike of the establishment. Right?

>>8443565
Don't even respond to him. He clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. Probably worships Zizek lol

>>8443578
You dodged the point 3 times. Dodge it again

>>8443564
fuck this gay earth; politics is for plebs; racial identity is for plebs; national identity is for plebs; caring about the environment is for plebs; all teleology is for plebs; caring about the future of man kind is for plebs

the only thing that matters in life is personal experience of the sublime and memes and the selective consumptions there of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYfR1IfEdLA

>>8443582
Thank you for proving my point. If only this were Reddit and you could go back to edit the "capitalism" out of your post and replace it with whatever you're imagining.

Also I browse Zero Hedge from time to time, it seems that the alt right has some presence there.

I bet something like the movie Fight Club had some influence on the movement as well.

>>8443588
>racial identity is for plebs; national identity is for plebs

Your white ancestors are rolling in their graves. You are irredeemably cucked by cultural marxism

>>8443592
I'm imagining that there's more profit incentive in war and geopolitical engineering than there is in you. And that's quite literally true and lead you to this mess.

>>8443597
Again cultural marxism doesn't exist.

>>8443598
>"muh ebul white people and capitalism created war in the middle east!!"

Your a retard

>>8443602
>Again cultural marxism doesn't exist.
I am not alt right, and cultural marxism is a big boogeyman. But it does exist in some way.

Marx has been hugely influential and his ideas have been used in I think critical theory and the Frankfurt school.

>>8443605
I never said anything about white people being evil. You are literally designed to look for biases that are not there.

Fhf

>>8443614
>I am not alt right
>muh Frankfurt School conspiracy theory

REALLY MAKES YOU THINK

>>8443614
>>8443634
>But it does exist in some way.

It literally doesn't. If you want to make up a conspiratorial bias come up with something that hasn't existed beyond the concept phase. Call it the "academics don't like my conspiracy theories" conspiracy theory.

>>8443634
>Frankfurt School conspiracy theory
Lol. Who says anything about conspiracy? I read some history of philosophy book that mentioned them and they used Marxist ideas.

Maybe I remember it wrongly that is possible.

>>8443505
>>8443539
>>8443558
>>8443572
>>8443582
>>8443598
>Makes outlandish and demonstrably false claim
>Gets called out on it
>Heh y-you goyim are just too stupid to get it for 5 posts

Certainly a Jew behind these posts.

>immigration is capitalist because it will lead to war and money for capitalists

This dumbfuck doesn't understand that the immigrants are trying to be integrated, it's the exact opposite of putting them at war with the native population. Such poor rhetoric, do not reply to this post you kike.

>>8443645
>This dumbfuck doesn't understand that the immigrants are trying to be integrated, it's the exact opposite of putting them at war with the native population. Such poor rhetoric, do not reply to this post you kike.

You just brought up a non point I didn't even bring up.

And yes Fraunk, everyone who disagrees with you is a jew.This is your safe space, nobody can disagree with you ever. Never cite a source and yell and scream and kick.

>>8443642
So what is this:
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/critical-theory/

>>8443654
Irony.

>>8443658
What does critical theory and the cultural marxist bogeyman have to do with each other?

>>8443663
It is very ironic you are like the people you are constantly on the look for, yes. Highly ironic.

There's no such thing as the alt-right. It's a made up term used by leftist conspiracy theorists to describe everything they hate.

>>8443668
But it very clearly does exist.

>>8443664
Maybe I am wrong with what is meant with cultural marxism, but I thought critical theory was what was meant with cultural marxism since it takes ideas from Marx.

Now I looked at Wikipedia, it seems that it was actually used as such but now is associated with conspiracy. That went kind of fast, I am pretty sure I remember cultural marxism as being neutral.

>>8443683
Holy shit you're retarded

>>8443664
LOL

You fuckers are so uneducated you can't even connect the Frankfurt School with critical theory anymore.

>>8443683
kill you'are'selve.

Read a book

>>8443697
Connect it. It should be really easy, connect it.

>>8443516
Ok, here it goes. It will contain authors who were not conservative at all, but were/are important figures for the general framework and certain beliefs.
I can post some fiction too later on.
Anyway,
The Great Heresies, The Servile State, The Jews by Hilaire Belloc
On Law, Morality and Politics by Thomas Aquinas
The Republic, Laws by Plato
Ethics, Metaphisics, Politics, Categories by Aristotle
Law, Legislation and Liberty, The Road to Serfdom by F.A. Hayek
After Virtue, Whose Justice? Which Rationality by Alasdair MacIntyre
Aquinas by Edward Feser
The Human Condition by Hannah Arendt
Heretics by G.K. Chesterton
Political Writings of St. Augustine
Europe: Today and Tomorrow by Joseph Raztinger
Democracy In America by Tocqueville
The Conservative Mind by Russel Kirk
Reflections on the Revolution by Edmund Burke

>>8443697
I wanted that retard to explain it. He clearly hasn't a clue what critical theory was for the Frankfurt School

>Tfw the Left have been the establishment for about 2 decades now
>Tfw the Left have commanded social attitudes for about 2 decades now
>Tfw the Right are finally those rebellious underdogs that the Left always imagine themselves to be

Good times, good times.

>>8443580
Unabomber has nothing to do with the Alt-Right, he was a luddite terrorist who was targeting inappropriate targets for his cause, and he also happened to be a genius with a great deal of insight into technological society.

>>8443701
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic_of_Enlightenment
http://bookzz.org/book/2470553/2d8e36

here you go

Its the entire point for the Frankfurt school existing, not the fevered dreams indicated by pic to the left


>>8443713
>muh left right dichotomy

>>8443242
A Brief History of the Alt-Right:

>election cycle starts
>Twitter/4chan users that are into trump's strongman politics start talking abt it
>Trolling and overt -isms aside, some educated frogs begin reading/adapting pol. theory and philosophy to right-wing political leanings
>By this time, #whitegenocide fags on twitter and /pol/ starting using Alt-Right as a banner under which their ideology presides
>Initial Alt-Right posters mostly abandon inflammatory rhetoric and move to holy-than-thou rhetoric so that the unwashed philistines cannot reach them
>Alt-Right founding-fathers move mostly to twitter
>Alt-Right founds change their general designation to WyrdRight (Kantbot2000, Menaquinone4, Melchizekek, Swiss Gnome, is this an attaq/@cooterthug)
>WyrdRight folks start posting Plato, Kant, Evola, Stirner, etc.
>AltRight essentially goes out of existence bc #WhiteGenocide- and #CantStump-fags never understood what the movement was aside from the fact that they are still upset that dindus and wewuzs can vote

>>8443713
Is that what you wanted to be this whole time. The people you hate?

Dumb frog poster.

>>8443723
>Its the entire point for the Frankfurt school existing, not the fevered dreams indicated by pic to the left

So your source that everything is a conspiracy is Dialetic of the Enlightment.

That's it. That's literally it? No studies, no accusations, no quotes, no books that can be substantiated, no eye witness testimony. Just a book.

Nothing substantial. That's it.

Please do it again. Post another source. It never gets old.

>>8443698
>>8443689
>Read a book
I've read plenty of books and it was in a book on the history of philosophy that cultural marxism was used when talking of the Frankfurt school. It must have been an old book.

It is possible I got it got confused but there's no need for this kind of attitude.

It is kind of sad that the board that claims to be the most intellectual is also the one throwing insults most of the time.

>>8443735

>Is that what you wanted to be this whole time. The people you hate?

I'm operating chiefly out of spite and schadenfreude.

History is cyclical, not linear.

You've had your time, now it's our turn.

>>8443734
is Wyrd supposed to stand for weird? isn't that disgusting?

>>8443739
Is that you John C Wright?

>>8443723
pic related, muh bad.

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity," and I would add, Greed - Hanlons razor

>>8443735
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minima_Moralia
Foundational Works

The most significant and oft-cited texts of the Frankfurt School include Adorno and Horkheimer’s foundational Dialectic of Enlightenment (1944), Adorno’s Negative Dialectics (1966) and Aesthetic Theory (1970), Fromm’s Escape from Freedom (1941) and The Art of Loving (1956), and Marcuse’s Eros and Civilization (1955), while Marcuse’s later works, such as One-Dimensional Man (1964) and the shorter Essay on Liberation (1969), both greatly influenced the burgeoning New Left movement. Benjamin’s essay “The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction (or Reproducibility)” (1936), and Habermas’s The Structural Transformation of the Public Sphere: An Inquiry into a Category of Bourgeois Society (1962; translated into English in 1989) and his later The Theory of Communicative Action (1985) have also been widely influential across disciplines.

These are the seminal works that have come out of the work of the Frankfurt school, in addition you may want to read:

>Wiggershaus, Rolf. The Frankfurt School: Its History, Theories, and Political Significance.

Translated by Michael Robertson. Cambridge, UK: Polity Press, 1995.

This text gives a thorough account of the Frankfurt School’s history and importance with a keen eye toward the evolution of the school relative to external contexts.

But lets face it, you are barely literate as anon said above. You are also seemingly floored by spooks and boogeymen. There is no Left-Right discourse, only greed and interest

>>8443313
No, it's the same energy and mentality of safe spacers (victimization, "science") funneled into a different set of talking points. It's more proof that the 90's have effectively doomed America and Britain.

>>8443742
I don't make the news, I just report it.

These ppl are rly into the patrician aesthetic, esp the Kantbots, in all their interations

>>8443436
What the fuck are you saying my nigger, he merely said the West has moved on from these moments, like the Egyptians and China did before it.

That the west has had these things is very easy to see, that these other empires did too

>>8443450
There's nothing leftist about what he said

Source: I'm a leftist and don't particularly disagree with most of what I read from Spengler (granded, I haven't found a edition of Decline while I had money, so it'll be a while before I fully read it).

Reminder that anyone actually concerned about the "alt-right" or "SJW" threat need only put down their laptop, go outside, and take a walk in the woods.

>>8443750
>These are the seminal works that have come out of the work of the Frankfurt school, in addition you may want to read:

Except that's still not citing a source for how peer review is essentially biased. You just named Marxist theory.

You still have no linkage between the evil Jews and peer review bias against the poor white race.

>>8443761

>Reminder that anyone actually concerned about the "alt-right" or "SJW" threat need only put down their laptop, go outside, and take a walk in the woods.

Where Big Sam will be waiting for them, armalite at the ready.

>>8443764
I think you are confused, I think alt-right assholes are faggots and that the Frankfurt School teaches critical theory.

>>8443770
Are you really playing at that now after you posted >>8443750

>>8443477
I legit doubt alt right, being the meme it is, could withstand a full on questioning from Socrates himself

That you think Orwell or Nietzsche would have lined this retarded memery only goes to show how you haven't read any of them.

As for putting Robert E. Lee on the same level as Shakespeare or Nietzsche (who, by the way, is the starting point of a lot of lines of thought that ended in degeneracy or whatever meme you believe in) only goes to show how right I am.

>>8443495
Why the fuck whenever some /pol/lack starts rambling and gets called out, some other /pol/ack say it's irony, red flag, or whatever? You guys love to spout muh fallacies and complain about every "no true scotsman" marxist post and yet that's all you do.

>>8443750
that infograph is vague and has 0 sources attached to it

>>8443761
shaddup, Thoreau

>>8443767
good post

>>8443775

>I legit doubt alt right, being the meme it is, could withstand a full on questioning from Socrates himself

Of course, Socrates as a dishonest dialectic-lover.

Some of us actually do read Nietzsche, bro.

>>8443787
Wow you read Nietzsche congratulations

Here is a cookie. You really earned it.

>>8443256
Bless this post.

>>8443787
I never at any point said that the socratic method is WORTH anything, I'm just saying that with my rudimentary knowledge of logics, I can see how finding flaws in typical alt right memeing is easy.

If you HAD read Nietzsche, you'd know complaining about muh end of the west, muh niggers and muh jews is resentment 101

>>8443775
I think this alt-right shit is like the new grassroots conservative movement that will go nowhere. We had the tea partyists in 2010, and they never did anything except complain.

>>8443242
Start with the Greeks, Dahnald.

Has paleoconservatism anything to do with the alt right?

>>8443801

>If you HAD read Nietzsche, you'd know complaining about muh end of the west, muh niggers and muh jews is resentment 101

Obviously. I'm just saying that appealing to Socrates is retarded.

You can pick apart anything with dialectics.

>>8443807

No. Paleoconservatism is usually one of the steps that former Liberals/Lefties go through on their way to to the (Far) Right.

There's not a lot to it besides William F. Buckley Jr.

>>8443242
shit this is so boring. you are asking for a book on somethig, making it a non-fiction book, but this board is for fiction mainly faggot. go ask /pol/ you fucktard.

>>8443803
>I think this alt-right shit is like the new grassroots conservative movement that will go nowhere.
Possibly, but I keep my eyes on it.
>We had the tea partyists in 2010
And Occupy and Bernie Sanders on the left right?

But I'd imagine that these kind of movements can transform into something else. Hasn't the tea party partly spawned the alt right and the popularity of Donald Trump?

Did the Occupiers go to Bernie Saunders?

>>8443808
Oh, I just used Socrates because the guy bought him up, but do you legit hate dialectics as a whole or only the socrathic method?

Because I'm a noob, just now actually studying the history of philosophy instead of just reading the stuff from my area of interest, but I feel post-kantian dialectics are a whole other field, much more interesting (albeit completely useless as an intelectual too for the sort of shit I want to study) than typical socratical dialectics.

>>8443821
Bernie Sanders was a bust and Trump will pretty much turn into a standard party line towing republican IF he wins the election.

>>8443723
Unabomber's manifesto contains some quality banter about leftists. So an enemy of an enemy.

Is there a connection what had been called the cultural libertarians and alt right?

>>8443597
But my polfriend who I know has never read anything between memegraphics, what he's saying is the opposite of a lot of leftist thought and seems much more like a liberal (in the real sense of the word, not the murrica one) reading of a half baked Nietzsche, who, according to your clique, is a true white master race philosopher

>>8443477
>Orwell

Literally a Sanders tier Dem Soc.

>Nietzsche

Every other line is a joke about how stupid antisemitism.

>Robert E Lee

Lolwut

>Shakespeare

How can you even compare the politics of someone living in the 16th century to a 21st century reality television star? Have you ever even read a Shakespeare play, or are you a No Fear plebchild?

>Charles Martel

Do you have any idea how much he would hate the other Protestants on your list.

The alt-right has got to be the most pathetic collection of virgin pseuds the world has ever known. I guess it's easy to avoid being "a cuck" when you've never slept with a woman in your life.

>>8443644
They used marxist CRITIQUE, but if you weren't such a dolt and managed to grasp anything say, Adorno, has to say (be aware, it'll require you to read a book, which I know might sound asinine, but just try to finish it), you'd be aware he is mostly COMPLAINING about cultural degeneracy rather than defending it.

>>8443934
>The alt-right has got to be the most pathetic collection of virgin pseuds the world has ever known. I guess it's easy to avoid being "a cuck" when you've never slept with a woman in your life.
Yet here you are. Instead of calling people cucks you call them virgin pseuds. You are just as bad.

>>8443668
This is very meta

>>8443946
Not really.

>>8443520
>o you think this is the result of capitalism do you
>well have you considered the output of this trillion dollar corporation

>>8443360
Anything by Mishima.

t. socialist

>>8443942
>you'd be aware he is mostly COMPLAINING about cultural degeneracy rather than defending it.
But I never said anything about that. Remember I am not into the whole alt right.
I should've probably kept quiet and done some research. In my head cultural marxism was just this:
>used marxist CRITIQUE
But it seems that the cultural marxism I think of has changed into something else.

>>8443807
It's the grandfather of it. Alt-right is too european for paleoconservatism. Just look at how Kirk treats Carlyle and De maistre as opposed to Burk.

>>8443750
My nigger, the VERY FIRST POINT is wrong, considering all of the frankfurters were pretty much MUST DEFEND WESTERN TRADITION FROM CAPITALISM type of guys

When you people complain about say, pop music or hollywood or whatever, do you honestly think that this sort of shit isn't made solely for the propagation of capitalism?

>>8443970
This.

>>8443946
Does it hurt your feelings, you baby dick fascist?

The "alt-right" ideology is a psychological response to a crippling inability to communicate with the other. You hate yourself and you cope with it by transposing that hate on to women, blacks, the Jews, whatever. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so sad. I bet you're serially depressed and you're afraid you'll never lose your virginity.

And you're probably right.

>>8443971
The cultural marxism you think of never fucking existed, AT BEST you can say that the thinkers in the Frankfurt school used MARXIST critique to analyze CULTURAL artifacts, but then you'd also have to known the difference between marxism and comunism, read their books and actually form a thought that didn't came from some awfully formatted /pol/ infogram.

And before you take the "wha dude no need to be hostile", please consider you're not the first retard who spouts this shit without knowing it. AND just for clearance, the closest a "cultural marxist" that ever existed, Gramsci, would probably PUKE at watching american conglomerate liberal (again, in the actual sens of the word) media.

It's amazing, I'm a lefty, most of my friends are, to different degrees, and yet a lot of them are familiar at least with some conservative literature and thought, meanwhile, right wingers spout their HOT FUCKING OPINIONS as truth while also claiming the rest OF THE PROPERLY REVIEWED AND SOURCE WORLD is against them.

>>8443413
You've got blinkers on the size of a house.

Nothing is collapsing. You need to take a look at the facts and statistics, then apply a good cold dose of logic.

>>8443988
This is /lit/.

We know. Anyone on here knows. There MIGHT be one or two /pol/acks here, but even they, by this point, are baiting.

>>8444000
Sorry for the blogpost, but jesus fucking christ, life has been shit, I'm 100% broke, completely unmotivated, my gf had to move to another town and we're drifting apart, my family is a bunch of retarded people and I suspect most of my friends are too, my pupper is sick as fuck and my GPU is fucked up, making my computer crash if I even attempt to play vidya, and /lit/ and reading were my main reffuges from everything.

Now, classes have started and I'm doing some prep-read for my masters, I have no time to read, and fucking /pol/ cucks have been SHITTING UP THIS LAST COMFY PLACE BEYOND REASON just because they're mad every now and then some /lit/izen fucking wrecks their shit

I fucking hate human beings

>>8443985
You are very judgmental. I do not hate women, black, jews or whatever.
I consider myself left leaning and am supportive of social justice. I do not agree with what social justice has become but am a firm believer in it, and from that stems my critique of your post.

I do not like this framing of political opponents, whatever there is some truth to it or not. It is similar with Brexit, leave voters were called too dumb to vote and xenophobic.

I often lurk at r/srsdiscussion and have read feminist literature. Believe it or not.
>>8443988
Did you even read what I wrote?

You people are really quick to call everything /pol/. It has become a boogeyman just as much as 'cultural marxism'. If anything it confirms that the alt right is a thing, if only in your heads.

It was interesting seeing the true color of some of you.

>>8444015
Politics infects everything whenever election season sneaks up. They'll pass.

>all these ass-shattered bluepilled libcuck nu-male feminists who get BTFO by /pol/ ITT

>>8444125
>hurrr my power levellll

>Pepe OP
>150 replies

What is it about him that brings out retards? He is a huge warning sign that reads "THIS THREAD IS BAIT".

The alt-right doesn't exist, it isn't a movement, it's just retarded left wingers looking for a new boogeyman so they have rebranded white nationalism/paleo conservatism (which in their current form have been around for over half a century) as this new movement that has spawned on the internet. Same with nrx. It's material that has been around a long time but has seen a resurfacing as a consequence of the migration crisis, BLM and a race baiting media

If you want a better understanding of it go and read Charles Murray, Jared Taylor or Russell Kirk. All these people were active in the last century, which should give you a clue that it isn't a new movement.

>>8444156
People don't come here to discuss literature, they come to discuss how inferior blacks are to whites, how inferior women are to men, and the identity politics it all entails.

>>8444156
It lets you know at a glance which threads are shit. Its great

>>8443985
Why does everything have to be the consequence of armchair psychology to you crusty left wingers? Can't people hate niggers because, you know, they suck?

>>8443985
>The "alt-right" ideology is a psychological response to a crippling inability to communicate with the other.

Projecting at its purest.
The modern leftists and SJWs are pretty much the best possible example of "cannot communicate with the other (so I'll just bully him)".

>>8444223
>I know you are but what am I?

>>8444180
>>8444223
>this desperation

You can only sublate your self-hatred for so long before it doubles back and manifests itself as suicidal or homicidal rage (cf. that alt-right virgin that killed those people and himself in California).

For your own sake, you should try to come to terms with the dimunitive size of your penis. Take it in stride. Once you empathize with yourself, you'll be able to empathize with the other - you'll start talking to women. You won't have idiotic opinions about Blacks or Jews to ruin your chances with them. They might even like you. And by the time they get to bed with you, your penis might disappoint them, but they'll go through the motions anyway. You'll lose your virginity, I promise.

From there, it'll be even easier to speak to women and to build meaningful relationships with them.

It's this or a life of impotent rage. Choose wisely.

>>8443347

Unabommer manifesto?
Give me a break, just because it's the manifest of a person who's killed people doesn't make anything like the rest of those.
The Unabommer was a green anarchist, and he complains about the Balkanization and hyper reactivity of leftists, and tries to lay out a path for the left.

>>8443431

You say that like it will ever fill the void in your heart.

>>8443533
It has everything to do with capitalism. Germany needs workers/taxpayers. To pay debts, pensions and so on for the aging population.
At least that's the idea, whether it will work out in practice or not remains to be seen. It's not guaranteed, but there's a decent chance it will work.

That said, sure, there's some "communist" brainwashing involved so that the population accepts the shitskins, but only in parts where it works in capitalism's favor (like: don't be evil racists, nationalism is bad...).

>>8443985
Why do leftists so frequently resort to armchair psychoanalysis? this is honestly a little pathetic.

>>8443704
>>8443704
Hey, just checked in to see this. Screenshotted it, thank you for following through. Fictions recs would be welcome too. I really appreciate if.

>>8444314
Because rightwingers get incredibly touchy about it.

>cf. your post

>Moldbug archives
>Liberty or Equality by Erik von Kuennhildt-Leddhin
>Anything by Paul Gottfried
>Lawrence Auster's old blog (3 Jews thus far)
>Jared Talyor's books
>Race, Evolution, and Behavior by JP Rushton
>Anything by Samuel T. Francis
>The Machiavellians by James Burnham
>The Meaning of Conservatism by Roger Scruton

Alt-right is just paleo-conservatism but more racist and for people under 70.

>>8443281
No it dreams for a world where Carlylean heroes rule with an iron first. So people like Robert Peel, who was the PM Carlyle advocated Queen Vic making into a dictator (in so many words)

>>8443347
MacDonald's work is trash because evolutionary psychology is a psuedo-science created by Jews (ironically)

>>8443505
Actual Marxism died with the USSR. "Cultural Marxism" is alive and well only if one admits that it is a Marxist heresy with basically nothing to do with actual Marxism (this is Paul Gottfried's view)

>>8444255
>>8444347
You aren't using cf. correctly

>>8443807
They're basically different generations of the same movement. People like Paul Gottfried (has collaboarted with Richard Spencer) and Peter Brimelow (talks at AmRen Conferences) bridge the gap

>>8444485
Uh, yeah he is.

Cf. means either "compare with" or "see also."

If he says rightwingers get touchy whenever their views are given a pathological origin and the post he is responding to does precisely this, then cf. would be an appropriate way of indicating that.

Google these things in the future, anon.

Is anyone here really a leftist?

>>8444506
Cuntloads of 4channers.

>>8444506
Before /new/ gave way to /pol/ the only board rule on /lit/ was that you couldn't post about Ayn Rand.

There's still a leftist presence here, though less pronounced than the Stirnerbros who have more or less always been on /lit/. Rightwing shitposting is a pretty recent phenomena.

>>8444518
>a phenomena

leftist detected

>>8444525
???

>>8444518
So people on here unironically want a higher minimum wage, more refugees, and feminism?

>>8444505
Uh, no "he" isn't.

Cf. isn't simply a pretentious way of saying "see also"; it's an academic term that specifically refers to a citation of a similar or contradicting statement in published material. If you don't have material to cite, then you don't have cause to use conferre (unless, of course, you're using the term to imbue your argument with a disingenuous sense of scholarship).

>>8444546
Uh, some people do, sure.

That's sort of a weird way to phrase it, though. A higher minimum wage and "feminism" are about as comparable as cleaner sources of energy and neo-platonism.

Are politics just a series of memes to you?

>>8444555
Those are leftist hot topics.

>>8444557
So leftists want to "have" more "topics"?

I don't think you phrased your 'clever gibe' very well.

>>8444557
>liberals
>leftist
Americans are retards.

>>8444577
Please elaborate. The term "liberal" means many things. Leftist is more specific.

>>8444574
It's phrased just fine. I never said they wanted more topics. Those are hot-button issues right now.

>>8444549
I don't think you know how language works, anon.

But here's your (((you))) anyway.

>>8444584
>Leftist is more specific.
There is nothing socialist about those topics, they're as liberal as you can get.

>>8444584
"Feminism" isn't an "issue" though - it's a fairly fractious system of thought.

Nobody 'wants' feminism in the same way that nobody wants dialectecial materialism.

Maybe 'exposing students to feminist ideas' would have been a better way to put it. By simply using the word "feminism" as if its meaning were obvious and uniformly understood you give the impression of someone who knows nothing about it.

Which, let's face it, is probably the case. Unless you've read any canonical feminist works.

>>8444600
Third-wave feminism, cuck.

>>8444602
Okay, what is third-wave feminism? Who are its proponents and what have you read by them?

Which of their points do you find troubling?

>>8444609
Its insane leaders (e.g., Laurie Penny), the constant protests, and the spreading of lies (e.g., the pay-gap myth). It's blatant misandry and is far from productive.

I'm glad /lit/ finally became redpilled after all these years, its about time this liberal feminist commie marxist sand nigger cuck shithole finally woke up.

I can't wait until Trumps gets in and uncucks America from the brain dead liberal commie cuck bastards that run this government for trying to running this country into the ground.
MAGA

>>8444609
See tumblr, fucking retarded left cuck

Try Milo Yiannapolous if you want to see how he destroys feminists and leftists

>>8444616
I've never even heard of that person.

Does she have any serious writing published?

Third-wave feminism includes people like Judith Butler, Gayatri Spivak, and bell hooks. I'm sure you wouldn't like any of them but at least you'd be talking about serious people instead of some tumblr meme.

Baa, baa, black sheep,
Have you any wool?
Yes, sir, yes, sir,
Three bags full;
One for the master,
And one for the dame,
And one for the little boy
Who lives down the lane.

>>8444591
I think you're trying to turn this into a conversation on prescriptivism because you were called on acting like an ignorant retard and have nothing to prove otherwise

>>8444645
Nobody today fits Aristotle's description of a sophist more closely than Milo. How did that college fund work out lmao

>>8444645
>Milo Yiannapolous
fascists are allowed to be gay?
wat?

>>8444646
It's hardly a tumblr meme. She's a foremost feminist activist. Your lack of familiarity with her means nothing.

>>8444626
Amen brother, the world can finally be a better place again when the Left cucks finally get kicked out of office.

>>8444653
Fascism is changing with the times.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/01/how-marine-le-pen-is-winning-frances-gay-vote/

>>8444653
>On /lit/
>Not familiar with Yukio Mishima

>>8444651
Retard isn't simply a hostile way to describe "an ignorant person;" it's an antiquated medical term that specifically refers to a person who's been diagnosed with a mental condition. If you don't have a professional's confirmation that a person is in fact on the autism spectrum, then you have no cause to use the word retard.

shiteatingfroggrin.png

>>8444664
You could at least get the definition of retard correct, ya fucking retard.

>>8443374
>>8443413
Spengler was a dumb autist to be exact

>>8444659
>Le Pen
>a fascist
I fucking wish

>>8444654
>a foremost

Wrong article, pardner.

Associating third-wave feminism with some random tumblr personality whose actions you find distasteful instead of accredited intellectuals with several books on the subject is like associating some Ron Paul supporter with Libertarianism instead of Hayek or Rothbard.

I guess this is the point where I just flame you because you don't know what you're talking about, but instead I'd just encourage you to actually apply yourself more diligently to the things you've decided you hate. You might learn something.

>>8443520
>Nice try retard. Try seeing any new Disney movie

>>8444677
He may have been an autist but he was clearly very intelligent. Much more intelligent than you, to be exact.

>>8443310
>No, she made it clear that it was a movement.
she also said bernie supporters are sexist.

>>8443946
Possibly the most beta post in the thread, well done alt-right

>>8444693
>butt blasted bernie cuck
TOP KEK!

>>8444685
No he was touched to be exact

>>8444700
>a post without a single original thought

What do you get out of parroting buzzwords I don't get it

>>8444685
Yea dude, not him but Spengler was, like, actually insane. His book is a neat read and a very ambitious critique. Particularly I like the chapter on triangles. But like I said, he crazy.

What Washington Can Learn from the World of Sports, by George Allen

I haven't read it yet, but Jon Gruden, Ted Nugent, and Deacon Jones all raved about it on the back cover.

Sage

Report.

Get the fuck off our board.

>>8444546
i'm very far left and i don't give a shit about refugees or feminism in the sense that is meant by you
however, the minimum wage should be at least $15

>>8443477
now this is shitposting
can't believe these chumps:
>>8443483
>>8443501
>>8443775
>>8443934
can't see through you

>>8444797
t. /r/the_donald

>tfw an unmasculine, physically weak, millenial hipster leftist
>tfw the alt-right calls you out on it but you don't even care
>tfw you win any argument with them by admitting you're a cuck because after that they're out of cards to play
The far right is entirely concerned with emotion and aesthetics. If you don't care about either, they have nothing to base any attack on. It's like when Eminem calls himself trailer trash at the end of 8 Mile.

>>8445058

D-do you wanna be my bf? Fighting white genocide gets lonely sometimes.

>>8445058
this doesn't make sense, you can do this for any argument and you don't "win"

>>8443347
>The Decline of the West by Spengler

And here's how I know you're clueless.

>>8444506
no, but /lit/ will be frequently invaded by teenagers from leftypol, especially now as it is summer

>>8445058
reminder that no nigger gives a shit if you defend them on the internet or not

>>8443477
is this satire

>>8443347
>Unabomber's Manifesto
Why this? Why does an Alt right like green anarchist lit?

>This will redpill you
You have read non do you?

>>8444506
I am unironically a Zizekian leftist and so on and so on *sniff*.

>>8444329
Ok, here for some fiction.
This won't be very political for the most part, but coming from people with a conservative/religious worldview.
Silence by Shusaku Endo
Everything That Rises Must Converge by Flannery O'Connor
The Divine Comedy by Dante
Anna Karenina by Leo Tolstoy (many would disagree, but he is moralistic enough imo)
The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoevsky
Children of Hurin by J.R.R. Tolkien
The Man Who Was Thursday by G.K. Chesterton
The End of the Affair by Graham Greene
Dead Souls by Nikolai Gogol
Confessions by St. Augustine (not exactly fiction, but it is a story)
Storm of Steel by Ernest Junger
A Canticle for Leibowitz by Walter M. Miller
Screwtape's Letters by C.S. Lewis

>>8444506
I'm an authoritarian Maoist. But I don't really care about the specific economic system, I mainly like his suppressing dissidents and mass killing etc. Does this make me a leftist!

>>8445834

You're basically /pol/

the alt-right doesn't read books, i'm pretty sure they only get their information from shitty youtube videos and /pol/.

>>8445195
A year or so ago /lit/ had a shitload of marxists, so i dont think its summer.

What's it called when you're a commie except for the fact that you want all non-whites to be genocided and women to be subservient?

>>8445910

An old-school Commie. You'd actually have a lot in common with Marx himself.

>>8445914
Marx hated kikes too?

The reality is that if you're anywhere on the left, you are at the very least propping up left wing anti-white politics, which makes you the enemy of white identity

>>8445971
'White' is a meaningless meme. Literally a phrase invented by the left.

>>8445977
>meaningless

is it? Do you believe that culture is in no way a product of genetics? Race is as much a social construct as the colour spectrum is. You can't pinpoint where red starts and ends on a colour wheel, that certainly doesn't mean it isn't important

>>8445983
Did I say that race is a meme?
No I didn't.

Try again.

>>8445910
National Bolshevism

>>8445992
>le not all whites are le same which is completely meaningless in the context of the US

boring

>>8445977
no meme is meaningless, that's why memetic warfare is serious business

>>8445983
>Do you believe that culture is in no way a product of genetics
genetics are a product of culture

memes > genes

>>8446003
I also never said that.
Not very bright are you?

Try again.

>>8446004
genetics WERE a product of environment, but that's meaningless nowadays. Culture is rooted in genetics. See: stanford marshmallow experiment

>>8446008
nah, not my fault you aren't particularly articulate

>>8446010
>genetics produce culture
>not the dominant economic mode of production

Jeez Louise you're not even up to date with your bourgeois propaganda. If you're gonna be a reactionary enemy of the toiling masses of the world at least read some Cato Institute publications instead of embarrassing yourself with 19th-century tier biologism.

>>8445910
A nerd

>>8446030

>Implying anything after the 19th century is worth anything

>>8446014
You never asked me to elaborate, you decided what I meant.

>>8446030
>19th-century tier

I'm sorry, has the racial achievement gap disappeared since then?

>>8446010
Genetics are a result of culture. Who you fuck is more than ever a result of social factors than biological factors today. Kinship has been submerged under the logic of capital accumulation and the spectacle

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2568763/Kate-Rothschild-heiress-rap-star-lover-photo-thats-alarmed-friends.html

>>8446071
>Kinship has been submerged under the logic of capital accumulation

Do you really, honestly, genuinely, think wealth and prestige were not as important in relationships before the modern information age?

>>8446071
>leftists appeal to celebrity lifestyles as confirmation of their retarded hypotheses while conservatives appeal to science and thousands of years of human evolution

it's mind boggling how thick you people are

>>8446064
If genetics determine one's place in the economic and cultural order, why are there black bourgeois enjoying the freedoms given exclusively to members of the ruling class right now while poor white you posts on 4chan?

What is the point of subscribing to non-empirical views on racial supremacy? How does this antiquated ideology account for the overwhelming mediocrity of its adherents?

Sorry, anon, but muh genetics is a useless tool of inquiry. Otherwise you wouldn't be such a dirty prole, now would you?

>>8446100
>why are there black bourgeois enjoying the freedoms given exclusively to members of the ruling class right now while poor white you posts on 4chan?


because you don't understand simple variability in intelligence you underage spastic

>What is the point of subscribing to non-empirical views on racial supremacy? How does this antiquated ideology account for the overwhelming mediocrity of its adherents?

Are you sure you know what empirical means?

>Sorry, anon, but muh genetics is a useless tool of inquiry.

No, it really, really isn't. In fact, as our understanding of our genes has grown in the last two decades, it is more important than ever

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/23/genes-influence-academic-ability-across-all-subjects-latest-study-shows

>Otherwise you wouldn't be such a dirty prole, now would you?

Why are left wing "insults" and attempts at armchair psychology always so utterly cringeworthy?

>>8446079
The logic of mating has been dominated by different factors under different historical epochs.

Slave masters simply breed their slaves for strength, feudal lords arranged their daughters to breed for power relations, etc, etc...

>>8446094
What your idea of nature is not nature. Anyone with an education realizes that the perceptions of the layman and the facts of human history are drastically different. But it doesn't take a laymen (ie you), to judge situations on information they don't have they think they have for certain.

>>8446135
Yes, I am well aware of it. But what proportion of the population do you think fell into these simple categories?

>>8444291
Nigga literally only 1% of the 2 million migrants can read

>>8446126
But if your white genetics predispose you to success and (apparently) capital accumulation, how much of a fucking loser do you have to be to live such a mediocre life?

If you're a Marxist, you have the excuse that you were not born into the ruling class. If you're a white supremacist (lol) you have to face the fact that you're a disgrace to your tribe.

>>8446126
>prole
>psychological category

Wew lad.

>>8446150
>armchair psychology AGAIN rather than debating the argument itself

why do left wing keyboard warriors ALWAYS do this?

>>8446165
How was what he was saying armchair psychology and how are you not being more of a keyboard warrior

>>8446173
>How was what he was saying armchair psychology

this one's barely literate lmao

Go on Radix Journal and go to the book section.

>>8446150
Embarrassing reply tbqh

>>8446182
All you're doing is screaming about arm chair psychology when people are trying to explain to you why white supremacy for most people who post here is hypocrisy.

You also make the mistake of thinking I'm a marxist leninist and not just someone who thinks you're stupid.

>>8446165
>armchair psychology

I said nothing about your psychological condition. I commented on your economic standing - which is a perfectly reasonable counterpoint to your bizarre claim that genetics have a causal relationship to personal wealth/success. The point is legitimate precisely because it exposes the weakness of your argument. It is ridiculous for an unsuccessful white person to correlate success to whiteness - because his very existence contradicts him.

Though the fact that you anticipate every attack on your argument as psychological in nature does raise some red flags for me. What are you so afraid of?

>>8446150

Not really. There are perfectly average white people and that's fine. Perfectly average white people can actually maintain a high level civilization, the same can't be said about most average non-whites.

Your argument is a strawman.

>>8446209
Does a lot of practice in an area (sport for example) not have a correlation to how good you are in that particular sport?
Not all that practice hard get to the top or even turn professional at all, do those that don't make not get to point out that there is usually a correlation?
I haven't read the study he posted but your argument is weak, famalam

>>8446213
If (((hard work))) is the determining factor in an individual's success (still bourgeois propaganda but it at least has the virtue of being contemporary) then genetics are irrelevant since they're so easily transcended by will.

Your argument is very much at odds with his, senpai.

>>8446228
Your argument is nothing more than this:
>If whites are better than how come some whites are not as good as some non-whites
If you can't see how weak that argument is I'm done.

>>8446211
Whether or not a civilization is at "a high level" depends entirely on its forces of production. The phenotypic makeup of its memebers is inconsequential; you could switch out the CEO of any corporation with an equally educated black or Latino CEO and the productive capability of the civilization would remain the same. This is why places like the Ukraine do not have "a high level" of civilization. Its productive forces are largely underdeveloped and this has everything to do with history and nothing to do with the whiteness of its citizens.

None of this, by the way, even addresses the fact that "white" isn't actually a scientific category but that's a lesson for another day, anon.

>>8446248

So you believe that phenotypic factors like temperament and intelligence have no bearing on the productive capability of a civilization?

Or did you think "phenotype" only refers to skin color?

>>8446232
No, my argument from the beginning has essentially been this:>>8446248

A person's position in the social order is conditioned by the division of labor he's born into, and that division of labor is the result of the historical development of the the forces of production.

In short, biologism is a lazy excuse to avoid having to study history, and for that reason it is almost exclusively expounded by the "whites," as you put it, who "are not as good as some non-whites."

>>8446253
>phenotypic factors like temperament

Fucking lol. I think I'm done here. Remember to spend at least two hours off the internet, anon.

>>8446258
Really?
Because reading this it was exactly your argument
>>8446150

I'm not on either side of the discussion since I haven't taken the time to read up on it, but someone posted a study and you dodged it without debunking a single thing about it, you just went straight to that very bad ''argument''

The Alt-Right was a still born movement, it started off with some good efforts to bring concepts of European New Right into America, but instead was just overcome with the same tired old white supremicists mixed with directionless meme spouting millenials. Apart from the crude racism, there is nothing especially radical about it, the fact they made a cult of personaility around Trump (one of the biggest benefactors of Globalism in the world) says it all

https://www.righton.net/2016/02/20/the-alternative-right-an-autopsy/

You can read Evola, and then laugh at how horribly he understands existentialism

>>8446267
>the right shouldn't be focused on facts around the impending demographic crisis, it should be based on feelings that can appeal to people of every racial group

what a poor, poor article

>>8444462
>Carlylean
You mean Thomas Carlyle? The guy who idolized Frederick the Great?

>>8446289

He actually has a great understanding. Don't be too upset that he put Nietzsche/Heidegger/etc in their places.

>>8446296

Who wouldn't idolize Friedrich der Große? He was the archetypal benevolent dictator.

There's a reason Kant dedicated CPR to him.

>>8446307
No, he really didn't as much as you wish he did. He took Sartre's philosophy and called it Heidegger's. How much more of a meme boy can you be?

Of course I bet he couldn't even read Kierkegaard.

>>8446291
>the right shouldn't be concerned with global capitalism that requires the Reserve Army of Labour in Immigration, it should just hate niggers and pit worker against worker

>>8446324
Have you read Dugin's "On Heidegger"?

>>8446362
No, but given from what the premise is I already agree with him.

>>8445812
Thank you.

>all these plebs talking about race, gender, and national identity

>>8446365
I havn't neither but his thought is very influenced by Evola

Is there a black society in the entire world that has good living standards and low violence? Or even just low violence alone?

This is the worst thread I've seen in a long time. Every single person here needs to rethink their life decisions.

>>8446396
you on the other hand, you make excellent posts

>>8443242

>>8446393
Liberia had a chance if America put more money and effort into it. The ruling Afro-American class had a lot of potential.

>>8446393
Ghana

>>8443269
tried reading this. Dude is so bad at writing, takes forever to get to a point. His introduction is tedious as fuck. Is it supposed to be compelling or persuasive?

>>8446380
That wouldn't make sense, given that it's a defence of Heidegger. You mean influenced in that it's a polemic against it?

>>8446331
>the Reserve Army of Labour in Immigration

Do you not see the irony in Trump being the leader of opposition to mass migration when according to your hypothesis he should be one of its biggest proponents? Not only this but literally one third of refugees entering Western Europe have completed primary school level education; these people aren't even capable of menial jobs, in fact they cost the state an average of £40k per year (and guess who pays for that)

>>8446429
>if white people built and maintained an entire country for black people while regularly babysitting them, black people might not be as socially incompetent
I agree that blacks are glorified children who are culturally, economically, and intellectually dependent on whites, but when a society is this deeply reliant on white pity, it's not very accurate to attribute the successes of said society to blacks.

>>8446873
Liberia wouldn't have been run by whites fully. Once it was stabilized the Afro-American aristocracy would have full control. Granted it would be an Amerucan protectorate but all of its administration/internal economics would be done by a black aristocracy

>>8446393
Burkina Faso before the US and France staged a coup there

Watch milo yinopolous and sargon of akkad for alt-right

>>8446966
I don't think Sargon is alt-right at all, he's a decent guy if you ask me

>>8446981
No i meant they both talk about the topic of alt-right, not that they necessarily are or endorse it. Both have simply delved into the topic at great llength. Sargon has hour long conversations with alt-righters, and solo videos on the topic, and milo's written many articles on the topic.

>>8446986
Ah like that, he did a video about the alt-right, rubbed some of them in the wrong way but I think he did a good job: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp0uq-QafYQ

>>8446906
>living under a censored press in a country where you have no political or civil rights and are tortured and executed by an authoritarian dictator if you question his regime
>good living standards
>not violent

>>8446429
>Liberia
niggah really, the country is called because it was the only sovereign country in Africa and they still managed to fuck shit up masisvely.

The only country that is doing alright in Africa is Botswana.

>>8447236
did anyone ever consider that africa isnt a shithole because of white colonialism but because blacks are hypocrites and went 20,000 years without fire?

>>8444015
take the Dhamma as your refuge
it is the only refuge

>>8443242
So to people who denounce the alt-right, what are your thoughts on the kalergi plan?

>>8443269
I recognized Moldbug as one of the pioneers of the alt-right, but it's amazing how his approach (building systems on formalisms and ruthlessly optimizing society) fell by the wayside to the "muh heritage and traditions" camp.

OK, Jim comes to traditionalist conclusions through more Moldbuggian means, but Jim's an insane pedophile.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/conservatism/

>>8443352
Right-wingers misinterpreting Spengler is a tradition at this point.

>argues that cultures have certain abstract concepts associated with them, infinity being the idea of the current west
>someone makes pic related out of it

>>8444481
This, calling it Marxism would be like calling something that didn't care about race National Socialism, it's just using a scary label.

>>8443580
The Unabomber predates the alt-right considerably, though the latter adapted some of his views on how technology upholds the social system (though they twist it to says technology drives leftism rather than leftism is a byproduct of the social sickness technology facilitates). Roosh also did his typical shallow writeup on it in his quest to assimilate anything vaguely right-wing into his patriarch quest.

>>8443807
The alt-right borrows a lot from paleoconservatism, a lot of its divergence from the mainstream right is along the lines of Buchanan and Sam Francis (i.e. staunchly traditionalist, to the point of economic interventionism to serve said traditions).

>>8444506
>socially pretty liberal, though have some issues with transgenderism that could be considered feminist (it has such strong gender roles that if you don't conform you must be trans)
>generally pro-market and pro-trade, don't want to abolish welfare but basically use Naomi Klein as a mental punching bad
>mfw everyone hates me

>>8446966
Milo is a pundit who panders to the alt-right but doesn't really split from the mainstream right substantively. Sargon isn't even really right-wing, he just disagrees with a social-left contingent and was briefly in-line with the alt-right as a result. Now they seem to despise him for being insufficiently right-wing, of course.

If you want a canary in the coal mine for who the alt-right is gonna purge, just check whoever Matt Forney's sperging over at the moment.

>>8443757
fug u

>>8448629
that image isn't wrong though