/lit/ - Literature

>>8242114
You're gonna get lefties replying to this thread shaming you for even asking this question, but yeah, I totally understand what you mean.

You're going to struggle and it's going to be hit and miss considering the current zeitgeist being feminism, etc. Usually what I'd say would be that you can't go wrong with older stuff, with movies, everything from the 60's and before is SJW-free 99% of the time bar a few outliers and French New Wave, the 70's is where they started probing with attacking masculinity, and it came to a proper head in the 80's and beyond.

I can't give you a list or guide for books but I know Vox Day is apparently a good writer who has declared openly he is not SJW.

>>8242114
Take the redpill instead of reading fiction, cuck

>>8242114
lol dude why do you wanna read nerd shit

>>8242114
Could you post your list for space opera and military sci-fi?

>>8242114
Heinlein, starship troopers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIsv1YOFNys

Give me a temp email and I'll send you a copy of the first book of my space opera series. (It has some military scifi in the later books)

sorry, the entire history of literature is now thoroughly SJW-ized. there is no hope, you cannot read anymore.

>>8242128
I have read most of the good old stuff from a variety of sci-fi sub-genres.

The problem is that I am not familiar with the newer authors. When I click on a goodreads suggestions list 90% of the new novels are women who write romance thinly veiled as sci-fi, it is disgusting. I tried some of them, but it has nothing to do with sci-fi.

I found Vox Day through it and miss googling. He has a lot of fantasy as well, which is not up my alley, but I got a couple of his sci-fi novels and I will try them out.

>>8242129
>>8242154
bait

>>8242158
I never made a list, but I can post who is SJW and who is not based on experience.

1. Disgusting SJW garbage without any merit:
Any NEW female writer
Charles Stross - ultra SJW
Anne Leckie - no talent hack, only given awards because she is a woman
Late Alistair Reynolds (Poseidon's Children) - sadly turned to genderless pronouns recently, baiting for a Hugo I guess

2. Passable, has SJW overtones, but is readable:
David Weber - Honorverse is blatantly man hating feminist crap, but the fleet fights and politics are great, the sub series are pure garbage though, talking BLM levels of slavery retardation, coloured people and females running everything, etc.
James SA Corey - they have a penchant for muuh feminism as well, but it's tolerable, definitely the best space opera in recent years

3. Non-SJW
Peter F. Hamilton (he is sometimes on the verge tho)
Early Alistair Reynolds (Revelation Space)
Walter Jon Williams
Jack Campbell
Vernor Vinge
Stephen Baxter
Dan Simmons
Ian M Banks
Jerry Pournelle
Ian Douglas

>>8242114
sci-fi's always been kind of sjw, it's what makes a lot of the shit work. ("what if it was a world where women were rulers?!?" "what if they were all amazons and i called the planet amazonia?! amazing" "what if all the church people were evil on this planet and then all the normal people killed them because they had enough of their authoritarian shit??")

That said, you'd probably like Lord of The World by Benson, which is condoned by the Pope.

>>8242241
>sci-fi's always been kind of sjw

Exploring uncomfortable themes is not SJW wtf are you on about.

SJW and PC means getting awards and praise based on the author's gender and colour of skin plus the sex preferences and "diversity" of his characters NOT based on the quality of the novel.

>>8242205
k

tathochasl@thraml.com

>>8242234
Good post, thankyou for the information.

>>8242258
Sent

>>8242249
social justice has been a thing longer than the internet, babby. a lot of sci-fi was concerned with it, to the extent it was already such a meme that when james tiptree jnr started writing sci-fi, she decided to never fucking tell people she was a grill

>>8242114
>science fiction

>>8242286
I got it, but there was no file. Maybe it's the service. Try this one plz

mailnosjw@mail.com

>>8242300
There is avast difference between social justice and SJW cancer permeating sci-fi today

>>8242114
>>8242234
Since it sounds like you're already familiar with older stuff:
Larry Correia
Give Vox Day's SF a try I guess.
John C. Wright
Tom Kratman
Gene Wolfe

>>8242114
"To stage as astronomer, So long as thou feelest the stars as an ‘above thee’, Thou lackest the eye of the discerning one" -N

All scientist types are highly prone to the effeminate and anti-egoistic social movements that demand total compromise. And since tradition is a source of pride it will be attacked.

Go home sad puppy and take your reactionary memes with you
There is no agenda in sf
There's just a couple of hack writers butthurt they aren't popular

>>8242542
Correia, Vox, and wright are the worst neckbearded fedora tipping rightwing losers on the planet

>>8242234
>When I click on a goodreads suggestions list 90% of the new novels are women who write romance thinly veiled as sci-fi, it is disgusting. I tried some of them, but it has nothing to do with sci-fi.
If I don't like it, its wrong.
>disgusting SJW garbage without any merit
As above so below
>Anne leaking given awards because she is a woman
The hugos are a popularity award
What is popular wins
She wrote a space opera
Space opera is popular amongst sf readers
>passing everything through an ideological purity test
And you're complaining about other people's alleged bias that seems to consist of writing things you don't like?

>>8242249
>if someone who is a skin color or gender I don't like wins an award they have won it purely because of their color or gender
Wonderful

Heinlein was writing about free love and bashing organised religion back in the 1960s.
SF has always pushed boundaries. It has always had a liberal/left/libertarian bent to it in its writers and readers.
Someone writing something you don't like is not an agenda.

>>8242234
>non-SJW
>ian m banks
Socialist
>dan Simmons
Has the temerity to try to force down our throats a so-called good Muslim, and a Palestinian at that! And then worst of all is all the S.E.X. he engages in trying to shame the white readers with his prowess!

How can you be so blind to the liberal agenda?!

>>8242114
Vox Day's your man and a hero. In fact, he's actually fighting the SJWs tooth and nail for you. Make sure to get his books in hardcover. New. None of that ebook shit. He deserves your money.

>>8242583
>awards are given only to black women authors with gay and ttans characters, white male authors are banned
>no agenda

Lol ok

>>8242583
>Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

I enjoyed Cinder Spires. Couldn't tell you if Jim Butcher's an SJW or not because I don't keep track of this stuff. But if you're looking for airships you might enjoy it.

>>8242583
>>8242589
>>8242595
>>8242599
You are a special kind of retarded. I pity you.

>>8242595
>The hugos are a popularity award
>What is popular wins
>She wrote a space opera
>Space opera is popular amongst sf readers

That would be true if it had any literally merit. Her books are complete garbage, but quite politically correct.

You must be lobotomized to not see it.

>>8242322
not really, you just want to pretend you're fighting a harder battle now because then you can feel more heroic.
everyone's always convinced it was worse now than ever before, but the Romans bitching about women taking over with their bacchanal sex cults isn't much different to Schopenhauer or Nietzsche complaining that feminized society was causing ruin to culture etc etc. forty years from now kids will be doing the same things Socrates was bitching about more than two millennia back like kids had suddenly got disrespectful around 500BC.

Jack Vance, Robert Heinlein, Samuel Delaney, you stupid weeb.

>>8242676
So because cultural decline has happened in the past that means it isn't also happening now?

>>8242702
no, just everyone thinks their time's cultural decline is something newer and bigger. maybe this one really is the big one, but throughout the course of history it usually turns out to be the same shit as before so i don't think it has good odds.

>>8242711
Technology has changed that. Degenerates have a way to spread their cancer now.

>>8242676
>not really

Subverting scifi with romantic novels packaged as scifi and changing the whole genre into a place for political expression is wrong. Forcing feminism and transgender abominations into novels for no reason that makes logical sense is slowly killing the genre. Sales are dropping, people like the OP are running away.

Scifi is avout the story and the characters not what they have between the legs or what religion the writer has.

We literally have diversity quotas now... scifi is dead

>>8242711
Shit should be called shit regardless of its size.

>>8242205
Can I have it as well?

41w6kx+7n3huu8oaqwik@grr.la

>>8242759
i'm not opposed to calling it, it's just making out it's the biggest thing ever isn't true, not even in sci-fi's history alone which is pretty short if you count it from mass market publishing forward.
>>8242747
I see your problem but you're packaging it wrong. Sci-fi has always been more prone to feminism and queerdom in general because setting it in outer space/inside the world/in the future gives you much more room to get past the censor. It used be what the industry thrived on. the difference now is that it's not being designed for the freaks who were willing to read genre, and therefore probably women or other degenerates, but it's designed for normies who would like to read about freaks and women, which produces a very different effect to getting the actual freaks and women to write it.

2001 Space Odyssey used be famous for treading the line between HAL is just a computer, and HAL is a jealous bitch homo who will kill the only man he loves to kill his love rival

Lost Horizon invented the modern idea of ShangriLa but what made it big news when it was published was that men found themselves in a community of pathenogenically reproducing women and the only men who got on well there were the ones who submitted

She Who Must Be Obeyed was another trope taken out of early sci-fish books, from when first wave feminism was going, and Rider Haggard adds in race and religious questions of the day too, in case it just being set in a lost part of the real world wasn't fantastical enough.

It's not new that these things happen in sci-fi and a lot of them are foundational to it. What is new is that the people who made genre fiction so eminent are no longer the outsiders that Clarke et al were, but people who are made eminent --because they are making themselves outsiders-- rather than in spite of it. It's the normie vomit of what freaks look like. Before the gay shit used be subtle, or the feminism drove a plot, or the character was multigendered as a comment on eugenics going too far and losing its humanity, but now it's a 5"x3" glossy author photo on the back to let you know even if the content is crap, you're reading a so called freak's work.

AC Clarke hid his sexuality as best he could with a live in boyfriend, precisely because if you think only the queer reading of HAL works then it would make his work less. Now people insist on gender reversals of fucking Twilight because otherwise it might be bigoted.

>tl;dr- it's not feminism or trans, it's fucking normies REEEE

What really gets me is the fact that I can read older books from authors whose politics are heavily social justice-leaning (like The Left Hand of Darkness or The Handmaid's Tale) and appreciate them as literary works, which is not something I'm able to do with new SJW crap.

>>8242858
shit, I'm confusing Herland and Lost Horizon. fuck

>>8242234
Simmons is SJW, to be honest

>>8242858
A work of fiction should be judged based on its quality as such not based on the number of affirmative action minority inserts it has.

How much sf does a person need to read to deplete the good ones? 150-200 novels?

>>8243237
Well, let's see. Strugatsky, Bradbury, Lem, some Asimov, some Simak and some Heinlein. Plus maybe Sterling. That's less than 100, I think, if you don't count short stories.

>>8242205
pls send
:3

coffeestories@web.de

>>8243250
And how do you have problems with finding the good stuff again?
Or do get triggered by any left leaning elements?

>>8243259
I am not OP. Maybe he read all the classic sci-fi, or maybe he's too stupid to look it up.

I think L Ron Hubbard's science fiction novels are pretty doom and gloom with ironic humor.

Remember how shitty people felt after seeing the film version of Battlefield Earth?

>>8243261
Probably the second.
There's a lot of quality sf and its even pasted in the general thread (actually good list, unlike the fantasy minefield chart)

>>8242185
>starship troopers
heheheheh

>>8243256
ok, i sent you and the others a copy. i just woke up. cheers

>>8242897
You keep using these words, I do not think they mean what you think they mean

>>8242645
>if you disagree with me you're a retard
>it is highly offensive to me that people should write things I disagree with

>>8242637
>if a black author wins it is because she is black
>The only proof for this is that she is black which is proof enough she couldn't have written something of merit
Watch out we got Sherlock Holmes in the thread
You people are fucking pathetic, this shit is the ultimate case of stop liking what I don't like

>>8242664
>That would be true if it had any literally merit. Her books are complete garbage, but quite politically correct.

The Hugoes ARE NOT a literary award
The Hugoes ARE a popularity contest

You are conflating the two and getting confused

Look at the number of users who possess her works on librarything or goodreads or check the sales figures compared to the other nominees from that year. She outranks them by a mile.

And you want to talk about literary merit, where's the literary merit in Correias fucking Monster Hunter books? Genre trash.

And lets not forget that one of the puppy complaints is that too many high falutin literary works are being pushed in the Hugoes, not enough fun old timey sf

So which is it? Too literary? Or not literary enough?

Why does the argument change so much when one or the other point is raised?

And if there was an agenda being pushed then why didn't Kim Stanley Robinsons 2312 win?

What we have here is a couple authors who are not very successful and have been thoroughly indoctrinated by the rightwing noise machine to believe they are good and right and represent the silent majority of real Americans
So when they see they are not succeeding in their chosen field of writing they look for reasons that make sense to them
And they see that authors they don't like who write things they don't like are successful and they look for reasons that make sense to them
And the rightwing noise machine tells them its not because of a lack of merit in their work, its because of der libruls
Der libruls undermining traditional values, pushing their atavistic chaotic social beliefs, stopping the true people from reaching their potential

And so we get these fallacious arguments that someone has been nominated for, or god forbid actually won, an award because of their gender or race and the only proof for this is the fact of their gender or race. That's all the proof. They're a woman and they won, obviously they only won because they're a woman - what more do you need?

And we get these disingenuous rationales that first try to claim its about a lack of literary merit in the nominated works, only to then turn around and argue that too many literary works are being pushed. Utterly internally inconsistent. But consistent with the reactionary thinking of these people.

What we have here is a couple authors who are not very successful and have been thoroughly indoctrinated by the rightwing noise machine to believe they are good and right and represent the silent majority of real Americans
So when they see they are not succeeding in their chosen field of writing they look for reasons that make sense to them
And they see that authors they don't like who write things they don't like are successful and they look for reasons that make sense to them
And the rightwing noise machine tells them its not because of a lack of merit in their work, its because of der libruls
Der libruls undermining traditional values, pushing their atavistic chaotic social beliefs, stopping the true people from reaching their potential

And so we get these fallacious arguments that someone has been nominated for, or god forbid actually won, an award because of their gender or race and the only proof for this is the fact of their gender or race. That's all the proof. They're a woman and they won, obviously they only won because they're a woman - what more do you need?

And we get these disingenuous rationales that first try to claim its about a lack of literary merit in the nominated works, only to then turn around and argue that too many literary works are being pushed.

Simultaneously arguing that their works are underrepresented and people should be more open minded, while denouncing anything that doesn't pass their extreme ideological purity test.

Utterly internally inconsistent. But consistent with the reactionary thinking of these people.

Read westerns instead.

>>8243620
>>8243662
The proof is that the works if the SJWs SUCK all around, but get awards for their inclusion on nongender specific pronouns or because the author is a minority/female.

Past awards have always been excellent works of fiction proven across the ages to be monumental not gay dinosaurs fucking each other. COMPARE PAST WINNERS TO RECENT ONES. It's a big SJW circle jerk giving awards to itself. Sales have been falling for years, no one wants to read that crap.

>>8243266
OP clearly states he has read all the good old stuff and wants new ones.

>There's a lot of quality sf

Yeah old sf, what about new? I want to read new ones as well, can't re-read Asimov and Clarke for all of my life. Your argument sucks "lol just read the old stuff"

>>8243478
I got it man, will push it up the reading queue after I finish Seveneves, half way through.

>>8243849
Give me a temp email and I'll send you book 1 of my space opera series

>>8243808
>The proof is that the works if the SJWs SUCK all around
This is only proof that you don't like them
Other people do like them as seen by the sale figures and ranking on cataloging websites and vote for them in a POPULAR AWARD ANYONE CAN VOTE IN WITH NO QUALIFICATIONS
>but get awards for their inclusion
That's why it won? Not that people liked the book?
>Past awards have always been excellent works of fiction proven across the ages to be monumental
People have always complained about the Hughes being either too literary or too popular
>dinosaur short story
Oh look shifting the goal posts, changing tact. Are you complaining about politics of works and the gender/race of authors or some random bizarro short story? Different matters. Which you conflate.
>compare past winners to recent ones
What is the difference between recent novel winners of the Hugoes and winners from 10-15-20 years ago?
I've looked. They're all still mostly white American men. They're largely apolitical, the last I can think of with politics in would be the Mars books. Through the 90s there was a trend towards Crichton-esque techno thrillers.

You simply don't like Ancillary Justice. Thats fine, you dont have to like everything. And see its popularity as a conspiracy. Which is bizarre and childish. You complain about "SJWs" and their safe spaces and being triggered - and look at your response to work that contains some things you don't like.
I didn't much like it either, but I see its success due to the fact that it is a space opera which will win it a lot of points with readers and that most of sf has a liberal/left/libertarian bent so they're not going to have a problem with and find interesting a ship ai that can't discern gender
>sales have been falling for years
Indeedy, and when you look at the winners you see they have sold well. Suggesting they might be, you know, popular.
And what's what this all comes down to, isn't it? Sales. Hacks like Correia and Wright can't figure out they're just not very good so concoct elaborate persecution complexes to explain their poor performance.

And you didn't answer my question: if there is an agenda then why didn't 2312 win?

>>8243808
Just look at your argument and the evidence you present: the proof that there is a plot is that works you don't like, possibly written by women or blacks, have been nominated or won a popular award.
They won, that's proof there is a plot. It is inconceivable that works about things you dislike could win.
Its inconceivable that a work by a woman or a black, or god help us a black woman, could be nominated let alone win.
So if this does happen, that's all the proof you need.

>>8243849
Go through the list of Nebula and Hugo winners and read what you haven't already
Read Gardner Dozois Years Best SF short story collections and make a note of authors you like

>>8244085
>Through the 90s there was a trend towards Crichton-esque techno thrillers.

The reason for this is it was popular and sold well. So editors went looking for more or suggested to their authors they have a go at it.
Because this is a business and operates in a market.
If editors went out of their way to select works that had an agenda and sold poorly because readers rejected them they'd quickly be having meetings with their boss to discuss the poor performance of their recent selections with a strong suggestion they pick up their game.
And if they continued to select agenda driven works that nobody wanted to read and continued to lose the publisher money, then they'd be out of a job.
Because this is a business out to make money and the market self corrects.

>>8243808
As someone who has read the majority of the Hugo and Nebula winners and has covered the nominee list since 2012, I don't know what you're about m8.

There has been plenty of shit nominated for both for as long as they've been around. Occasionally you'll get a streak of outstanding books where they agree on the winner and it becomes canon (ie. 74-76) but mostly you get hit or miss. This is visible in recent years as well--Redshirts was pulpy trash which was fine as just a minor homage to ST but not "the best scifi book of the year". 2312 was interesting and sure it had a more libtard bent but can you show me how it was all about that rather just incorporating things like hermaphroditism?

Ancillary Justice won both and it's hard to say it didn't deserve it. The (potentially unreliable) narration from an AI, capable of multiple bodies is fascinating to explore as is the emperor god at war with herself. Did the fact that the gender pronouns were mostly she for a race that is only semi-human rustle your jimmies?

Annihilation and the Three Body Problem? The best weird fiction and hard scifi in a decade? Not exactly SJW fare.

Keep your cuckvision sharp my fellow e/lit/ists

>>8244132
Redshirts won because there are a lot of sf readers who are *gasp!* Star Trek fans!

2312 didn't win because its core story of journeying around the solar system for a murder mystery was weak and Robinson tried way too hard to shock people with his genetic punk.

>>8244132
>Did the fact that the gender pronouns were mostly she for a race that is only semi-human rustle your jimmies?
Y-You forgot the w-worst part, the author was a-a w-w-woman!

>>8242249
>SJW and PC means getting awards and praise based on the author's gender and colour of skin plus the sex preferences and "diversity" of his characters NOT based on the quality of the novel.

Literally two posts above you there is an anon saying every single new novel written by a woman is garbage.

Hmmm. Maybe it's the puppies who are assigning literary merit based on gender.

>>8244194
>the only proof that this is occurring is the fact that I don't like it

>>8244085
You are trying to justify the existence of garbage presented as something good and it shows. Your position us untenable and your arguments non-existent.

No matter how hard you try to justify it the truth shines through.

Past winners - fundamental science fiction works that could be read and enjoyed by anyone at any point of recent history and enjoyed. Gender of the author doesn't matter, neither do the sex preferences of the characters UNLESS it is needed by the story.

Contemporary winners - minorities/women, FORCED (not needed by the story) affirmative action characters, DULL and BORING stories (you can't have interesting stories without strife and anything that would cause it is strictly forbidden in the SJW era, books must be safe spaces full of non-gender specific pronouns, God forbid someone feels triggered by a book)

Recent winners have been women and minorities in the vast degree, strictly forbidden to be men nowadays, quality of the works doesn't matter, it's all about agenda.

Even worse - most writers are hacks absolutely not interested in sci-fi (thus the romance novels masquerading as such) who are there only to fill the affirmative action quota. Some of them have a single book with no desire to write more since no one buys them!

You can run through the mental hoops and strawmen arguments again, that is fine, but read the next sentence carefully and think for a second before typing:

Virtue cannot be achieved by forcing it, "good" is objectively such only when achieved in freedom. Adding affirmative action characters of bizarre sexual orientation and pronouns when the story does not require it is pursuing an agenda. An agenda that has no place is a genre like science fiction. You cannot defend a contrary position logically.

>>8242114
even for literary fiction its so hard to find REAL recommendations online. Quality reviews are swamped by all of the trite literary criticism lefties try and push out

>>8244079
Japorgi@gmail.com

>waaaaah, SJWs are ruining everything

It's like you people whine for a living. I bet yoiu haven't read 90% of the authors you're complaining about. Oh, and if you decide that all books written by women authors are automatically trash, you're being just as dumb and dogmatic as the people you think you're against.

>>8245790
>It's like you people whine for a living
>dat SJW projection

>>8245790
>the people who made complaining their goal in life are trying to scold me about complaining

lmao

Legend of Galactic Heroes. A Japanese epic series about a war between the Galactic Empire and the Alliance of Free Worlds, primarily told from the point of view of the leading military strategist of each side. Reinhard von Lohengramm and Yang Wen Li, respectively.

Almost all the characters are dudes, and it gets pretty deep into the problems that the various governmental structures have, including democracy.

They made a cartoon out of it, here's a clip to give you an idea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78juY_OcxrI

>>8245779
What is the solution? I am tired of this crap. Impossible to find unbiased reviews ffs.

>>8245818
Is it a book? In English?

>>8244132
>>8244085
Please leave, your kind is not welcomed here, fucking SJW human garbage. Go to reddit or wherever you swell and spread your cancer.

>>8245830
A book series. the first volume was just released in English recently, the second comes out later this month, I thinl

>what I hate about SJWs is they make everything about their politics
>book has some gay characters, maybe deals a little with being black or trans or whatever
>TRASH WOULDN'T READ

Fucking hell can you idiots shut up? You're as cancerous and dogmatic and idpol-infected as the 'SJWs' you hate. Some of us just like reading about fucking science and shit, not worrying about whether the book we're reading is going to hurt us with political ideas we don't agree with. I bet fucking Heinlein would give you spastics palpitations.

ted chiang
william gibson
gene wolfe
jeff vandermeer
m john harrison

i really have no idea what you mean by sjw though. you saying if it's a male writer with a female protagonist it's sjw? some people are oversensitive to these things but the above writers have never seemed like opportunists to me.
china mieville is probably "sjw" by your descriptions but his writing stands up. same with ursula le guin.

>>8245877
Exactly senpai. SJW cram unwanted shit into scifi, that's why we are complaining.

Non-SJWs like the reasonable people here, you, me, the other anons, want to read about "science and shit" normal scifi.

Normal writers will never cram wanted shit into their works.

You sir are an anti-SJW without even knowing it.

>>8245857
Well shit, I didn't even know this existed, thank you anon, just downloaded it (pic related).

Does it compare to a western series or is it its own thing?

>>8245921
>Normal writers will never cram unwanted shit into their works.

fix'd, fucking phone

>>8245921
I'm anti-SJW and anti-puppy or whatever you idiots call yourselves now. Yeah, there's too much dumb "THIS BOOK NEEDS MORE BLACK PEOPLE" criticism out there, but the way to fight that isn't "THIS BOOK HAS TOO MANY BLACK PEOPLE". Sometimes SJW scifi can be interesting too. I liked Ancillary Justice as a space opera. It was okay. Science fiction is about imagination and possibility, so if some people want to use that to explore politics (either left or right) then that should be allowed. Starship Troopers isn't fascist propaganda and AJ isn't some kind of leftist-feminist conspiracy spearhead. The whole field needs to grow the fuck up.

handmaidens tale

>>8245939
>Sometimes SJW scifi can be interesting too
>so if some people want to use that to explore politics (either left or right) then that should be allowed

Only when it is not forced. Today it's nothing but forced.

I want normal sci-fi without forced agenda senpai, just like you.

Not sure what puppy is.

>>8245929
I can't think of a comparison. It's hard military sci-fi but it's also got a grand space opera scope and a lot of focus on politics and different political systems

Maybe the Foundation series crossed with the Aubrey-Maturin series?

>>8245984
The 'puppies' were the guys who tried to sabotage the Hugos because they were sick of SJW shit. Again, being as bad as the crazy idpol-leftists just makes the situation worse. I mean, what is 'forced'? I liked the gimmick in Ancillary Justice. It added something to the novel's tone and wasn't preachy about it, OH THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO TALK ABOUT GENDER DIE CIS SCUM sort of stuff. Yeah, the political climate today means there's more of this liberal idpol stuff present in literature, and some of it is forced and awful (most of it, to be honest), but it's just more obvious to you because you don't agree with it and because it happens to be the coded language of the genre's current talentless hegemons. There's just as many shitty right-wing novels with 'forced' politics out there.

>>8246003
>There's just as many shitty right-wing novels with 'forced' politics out there.

Hardly as many and no one is forcing the agenda when ti comes to awards, giving them to talentless hacks belonging to the flock.

>>8246003
I see. Good to hear someone is fighting back.

>>8246002
Sounds like Weber's Honorverse?

>>8246012
So why should there be a leap from 'bad authors use cheap political themes in their novels' to 'any novels that try to take those same political themes seriously are SJW trash'? Isn't that being just as intolerant as the people who bitch about too many white people in SF?

>>8246026
Because for one - it is forced by publishing houses and the powers that be. It is mandatory to include affirmative action and politically correct bullshit in your novels or they don't get published. Google it. There are many first hand descriptions of author who were rejected and had to go independent or just give their books for free, because they were not 'progressive" enough.

....and two - the criclejerk gives awards to the same crappy novels written by idiots with no talent who conform to the agenda thus contaminating the history of the awards forever.

Plus, it si completely one sided, there is no such agenda from the other side, if there is another side at all. There are the SJWs and then there are the normal authors.

>>8246016
>Sounds like Weber's Honorverse?
sorry, I haven't read any of those

>>8246055
I dunno, dude, that first one could just be crappy writers. It's a lot easier to blame polictical bias than your own poor writing

>>8246062
It's epic scale fleet combat in space between several empires/states with heavy politics and viewpoints from the people running them. Sounds really similar. A bit too strong on the feminism side, but readable.

I'll start Legend tonight, thanks again.

>>8246068
Not when you are explicitly given an order to include certain types of characters and not when it has happened multiple times.

C'mon man, don;t try to find excuses for the cancer. I am always for some healthy scepticism, but it's not empty words or theories, the proof is definitive and books are only the tip of the iceberg. There are video game companies visited by SJWs (usually college students working on "SPECIAL PROJECTS") who advise them to include gay/trans/minority characters to be "progressive".

The liberal agenda is real and it is hurting my favourite genre.

The gay dinosaur crap is proof enough of the garbage that goes for good scifi nowadays. I don't want to read dull, forced, conformist crap. Get that shit out of my scifi.

>genre fiction
This is a literature board.

>>8245984
There is no specifically "SJW" scifi
There is nothing being forced
There is only people writing and reading what they find interesting
Your complaint is entirely centred on works existing that dont pass your ideological purity test
Making it completely hypocritical that you denounce mythical forced agenda, when the works you want would be forcing YOUR agenda
>>8246003
There was no "SJW" shit to be sick of. There is nothing going on. They have no evidence. They have only an absurd argument. They are a bunch of hack authors that nobody likes and have poor sales and they have convinced themselves that they do poorly not because they are mediocre but because of the der libruls plotting against them.
>>8246012
The Hugoes are a popularity contest in which anyone can vote
Popular awards that dont necessarily have literary merit get nominated and win
One moment the puppies complain things are too serious with too many literary works being in it
Then they complain that winning works aren't literary
Make up your minds
>>8246016
There is nothing to fight back against except people liking what you dont like
>>8246077
>explicitly given
except thats never happened
> but it's not empty words or theories, the proof is definitive and books are only the tip of the iceberg.
The only proof is that works that Day and Corriea and Wright and all your MRA neckbeards that have been stirred up by them containing things you dont like have won
It contains things you dont like and it won
Thats proof of a conspiracy
How else could something you dislike win
>gay dinosaur short story
Thats not any sort of politics thats just stupid and its an example of how the Hugoes are not the great award they claim to be
> I don't want to read dull, forced, conformist crap.
No, you just want to read things that agree with you and aren't written by people who scare you
If works exist that don't conform to this, thats a liberal agenda

This is the puppy and the rest of you retards argument summed up in a single reaction image

Phillip k Dick

PHILLIP K DICK

DIIIIIIIIICK

Also Alfred Bester's "The Stars my Destination" and yeah Heinlein is a good bet

>>8246077
>Not when you are explicitly given an order to include certain types of characters and not when it has happened multiple times.
has that happened?

librarything top scores:
John Scalzi - Old Man's War - 5,160 users possess this
Ann Leckie - Ancillary Justice - 1,963 users possess this
Larry Correia - Monster Hunter International - 654 users possess this
John C. Wright - The Golden Age - 625 users possess this

The SJW science fiction agenda is why I don't sell more books.jpg

>>8246152
>b-b-but, m'lady, pls, let me explain...
This is the retard you people are associating with

>>8246139
He really only had one good book, The Man in the High Castle
So much of the rest of his work was marred by having to write at a furious pace without correction or revision because he got very low rates and so had to produce a large volume of work to make ends meet
And he took amphetamines to keep up this pace too which didn't help

>>8246148
no

>>8245939
Whoa, we got a special snowflake here! A real critical thinker! He doesn't take sides so he can't be wrong!

>>8246148
Daily. The cancer is real.

>>8245939
>Yeah, there's too much dumb "THIS BOOK NEEDS MORE BLACK PEOPLE" criticism out there
So now the problem isn't that works are containing X, but that CRITICS are complaining for things
How the goal posts shift ever wider

>>8246182
>Daily.
really?

>>8246182
Thats some damning evidence you got right there hoss

>>8246152
fucking low test betas

>>8246129
>>8246176
>>8246183
What are you doing here? You are not welcome, your kind is not liked. Leave.

Your post are child like, not sure if to laugh or to pity you. You cannot rpovide counter-arguments (because you are wrong), but I am sure it sounds really convincing in your head... in reality what comes out is "lalalala you are wrong, because I feel so and don;t liek what you are saying... stomps foot!".

Leave. You are unwanted cancer here.

>>8246152
>John C. Wright
Motherfucker reads like a bunch of Wikipedia entries smashed together. It's like he takes an idea and then googles all the technological possibilities and then picks one to continue the plot. I don't know what it is but his stuff always felt very inorganic and forced. One of those guys I don't think could have been a professional writer if it weren't for the internet.

>>8246176
>>8246183
you are pretty pathetic desu

sigh, can we report the SJW to the mods to get banned? I get enough of that shit in other places, I'd really like to keep /lit/ normal.

>>8246194
I liked his fetish stuff in Orphans of Chaos, but nigger needs to learn to balance "ohhh tie me up more sensei~" with some actual fucking plot and world-building. He's not a good writer at all. Scalzi may be shit-tier but at least he's not Wright-tier.

>>8246193
>You are not welcome, your kind is not liked. Leave.
>NORMIES OUT REEE
fucking grow up 13 year old faggot
>>8246193
>Your post are child like, not sure if to laugh or to pity you.
Ah yes, arguments, rationality, pointing out the absurdity of your claims.
Child like.
Tell me anon, why don't you be the adult and provide some evidence? Why don't you be the adult and explain how a woman or a black person merely being nominated or winning is in itself proof of an agenda?
>in reality what comes out is "lalalala you are wrong, because I feel so and don;t liek what you are saying... stomps foot!"
Isn't that how you argue about the existence of things you dislike?
>>8246194
>Motherfucker reads like a bunch of Wikipedia entries smashed together.
With a thesaurus stuck up his arse

>>8246198
>can we report people who challenge my perceptions to the mods to get banned?
Get a load of this cuck
>I'd really like to keep /lit/ an echo chamber for my irrationality
fix'd

>>8246193
>If I play devil's advocate for something 4chan doesn't like, I'll sound smart!

>>8246152
>Scalzi
>5,160
>Wright
>625
Is this what its like to be a literary manlet?

>>8246211
Leave you are wanted

>>8242114
Don't worry, anon. I'm working on it (specifically because of this reason). Check back in about a year and a half.

>>8246214
Leave samefag

>>8246232
>you are wanted
aww thanks
>>8246237
>implying its not just 1 sad loser angry at the existence of works that disagree with him same fagging this whole thread

>>8246218
Leave disgusting sjw woman we prefer normal women

>>8246235
edgy

>>8246243
Leave no one wants you here, there are no great victories to achieve in the name of lefties

>>8246250
Go away you are like a cockroach

>>8246252
>>8246257
>PEOPLE ARE DISAGREEING WITH ME REEE
Your mother should confine you to your hugbox you're really getting quite angry

>>8245877
I sincerely hope this is satire.

>>8246129
>SJW does not exist; you're just a racist sexist xenomorph
>sci-fi was always Marxist
>how dare you question me and my ulterior motives! I bet you're just scared of REAL progress

Truly, you radical liberals are starting to look like the abominations I read about in science fiction.

>>8246258
Just go

>>8246237
>>8246247
>>8246252
>>8246257
samefag is samefag

>>8246250
>edgy
mhm.

>>8246265
You can go now

>>8246260
Why make up greentext?
Why no quote me?
Why not, I dunno, cite examples of this mythical SJW science fiction or proof of an agenda being pushed?
Are the works that have been nominated and won a popular award not popular?
>Truly, you radical liberals are starting to look like the abominations I read about in science fiction.
Hysterical that things don't rigidly conform with my preconceived notions?

>>8246262
Just make a sensible argument or cite some evidence
>>8246268
this isn't 8ch

>>8246275
It's ok you can go now

>>8246283
Go now

>>8242114
Bouncing off his question, is there a book that shows off human nationalism is a good way. Kind of like the movie Starship Troopers or something you might read in a HFY thread.

>>8246285
I got some groceries and new shoes to get, but I'll be back lil' anon
You play nice now okay?
In the mean time, why dont you try to make an argument that is rational or better yet get some evidence?
Or, crawl into your hug box and try to relax about the existence of writers who write things that are different

>>8246298
Yes yes now leave

>>8246291
hurrr
>>8246292
>like the movie Starship Troopers
lolwut, that was satire of jingoism and nationalism

>>8246292
Like David Duke giving different parts of the United States to different ethnic groups or like Independence Day/generic Hollywood "when the aliens attack we can put aside our differences and fight as one!"

>>8246275
>inside, my trapped soul screams for salvation
>but on the outside, I'll just smugly shitpost, get offended by everything, and refuse to answer OP's question
m8, I know I'm not convincing you any time soon, so why bother?

>>8246301
I'll be back :3

>>8246292
Not contemporary I would think

>>8246304
>>8246312
What's so bad about that? I was just asking for a book recommendation. It also makes for a good plot point.

And Starship Troopers was satire, but it still built its environment very well.

>>8246312
>get offended by everything,
You mean like authors that aren't white men and books that contain ideas you dislike?
I answered OP in several ways ages ago, telling him there is no SJW agenda and to read Gardner Dozois years best sf short story collections
Just because you haven't seen it in the last few posts doesn't mean it hasn't happened

>science fiction
Further proof that mass literacy was a mistake

>>8246321
Yes yes now go

>>8246333
Why are you stll here? No one cares. Go

>>8246333
Dozois is king sjw, great recommendation

Also you were destroyed by straightforward arguments and logic. I second the Go anon, you have no power here, no place, you don't beling. Take your purple haired ass somewhere else.

Most of /lit/ are Bernouts and SJWs

>>8246365
Disgusting. Stupid people don't read how is that possible?

It must not be allowed to continue. We must make /lit/ great again.

Plz to buy my cheap ebook of greentext stories. Proudly compiled by a heterosexual white male.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00UHZXITS/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1467772889&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=ann+hiro+anonymously+yours

>>8246371
Just ignore the baiting and straight up tell them to leave. We don't want their empty shells of fake people polluting the board. Garbage plz leave.

Can we get back to the thread now? I would like some recommendations like the OP. Stuff posted so far has been pretty old. Are there no new authors?

>>8246379
This legend of galactic heroes sounded promising. Not sure if new tho.

>>8246377
>kill yourself

there is another epic story for your collection

>>8246358
>Gardner Dozois is king sjw
how?
>destroyed by straightforward arguments and logic
What arguments? What logic?
Its the same tired puppy crap: someone who has written something I find disagreeable has been nominated or won. This is a conspiracy.
>you don't beling
there is no need to be rode

>>8246379
>We don't want their empty shells of fake people polluting the board.
We just want to pat each other on the back for reading things that agree with us

>>8246511
>how?
for these people, a claim or accusation is proof itself.

>>8246511
Why are you still here? You are clearly derailing the thread and acting like a brat? Do you get satisfaction from spoiling anons' threads?

Please don't treat this as an invitation for more shitposting. Just go away.

>>8246514
Does it bring you joy to spoil threads? Reflect on your actions and attitude.

>>8246517
Stop samefagging and leave this board. Why would you stay at a place that doesn't want you?

>>8242114
>based on the quality of the work
>science fiction
>quality

>>8246523
>You are clearly derailing the thread and acting like a brat?
Make an argument that does not consist of "it contains things I dislike and won. Thats a conspiracy" or present some evidence.
>>8246528
Like the joy of concocting wild conspiracies and making accusations without a shred of evidence and using this an excuse to try to hijack an award?
>>8246531
>implying you're not the same as the previous two posts

If there is a secret agenda being promoted then why didn't 2312 win the Hugo?

>>8246541
Take a look at your behavior. The thread went back on track after you had supposedly left and is now back to shitposting thanks to you.

Don't you see that you are ruining the thread and souring anons' board experience? What kind of monster are you?

>>8246546
Just leave already

What author/book is the left talking about/

>>8246554
>back on track
o rly?
circle jerking about der ebil libruls
>Don't you see that you are ruining the thread and souring anons' board experience? What kind of monster are you?
Perhaps I should instead attempt to hijack a popular award because things I dislike are popular amongst its voters

>>8246554
>p-pls be civil
>we were having a nice discussion then you came along and disrupted it
>now lets return to discussing those disgusting faggot SJWs ruining things because people like things we dislike and thats the only possible explanation

>>8246563
BNW

>>8246563

Utopia by Thomas Morus

>>8246585
Thank you. I didn't think the government controlled people with pleasure rather with massive consumerism and destruction of family units.

IGNORE THE SJW

DO MOT REPLY TO THE SJW

Now can we get back on topic?

I read 100 pages from the Legend of Galactic Heroes and it is absolutely brilliant. No politically correct inserts, homosexuality is punishable by death, it's awesome.

The brief history of the two sides given in the prologue is captivating and then you are thrown straight into fleet combat with thousands of ships.

I recommend it to the OP and to anyone else interested in normal books.

>>8246188
Underrated post.

Also alludes to the major flaw in the puppies in general (having read Warbound and Fire with Fire)

>>8246596
>it agreed with my politics, its awesome.
thats the criteria for quality work for you?

>>8246596
good to hear. is it like honorverse?

>>8246596

Not the other guy but why is homosexuality punishable by death awesome?

I just completely don't understand.

I don't want to kill you for your beliefs, why would you kill me for something I can't change?

>>8246606
Very different aspects of fllet combat. The physics are not compatible.... Legend has even more ships pewing at each other tho lol (no spoilers)

Overall it seems more brisk. I like the characterization of the captains and leaders so far.

>>8242114
I liked this book. Published in 2010.

>>8246610
Because real science fiction must promote the True Proper beliefs of our culture at every turn
Get with the program

>>8246610
>why would you kill me for something I can't change?
kek

>>8246613
Was that the one where the protag woke up without memories in a derelict ship?

>>8246619
Yes

>>8246611
ooh sweet, I'm a sucker for big fleet battles. thanks man and thanks to whoever suggested it first dowloading it now.

>>8246622
Did you like it? Well... apparently you did since you are recommending it, but how did you find the pacing? I thought it was somewhat irregular. Long stretches where nothing happened.

Sjws are idiots, but there are still authors who write normal books OP

Sadly my interest lies in other genres so can't really advise you on specific ones

A friend was reading the Long Earth recently and was full of praise. Baxter and Pratchet I believe. Check ot out.

>>8246634
It wasn't long enough for pacing to matter much. I just thought it was a quick and moderately entertaining read.

>>8246647
Long Earth is ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC. Seconding it. The 5th one came out last month. The last one pratchet wrote before dying. I do hope baxter keeps writing more.... it sorta ended on a vague cliffhanger and the setting has vast possibilities.

>>8246647
>sjw are idiots
>cites baxter and pratchett
it really is a pejorative for whatever you dislike and no clear classification

>>8246652
You can always count on good 'ol Bear for that.

Ok now that we are back on track I can make a recommendation.

Neil Stephenson - Seveneves

It's brutally hard science fiction. tl;dr: the Moon breaks up and humanity has 2 years to go to space before we all die. He openly mocks the prejudices and double-faced nature of sjws back on Earth while the arks are being launched into space.

It is long, technically descriptive, scientific and hard as fuck. No agendas and no bullshit. A really enjoyable read.

STOP CHALLENGING MY WORLDVIEW REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>8246667
Hyperion has a Muslim Arab as it heroic protagonist
and has copious amounts of sex
there is also some new age speculation about the Nature of God
Take your agenda elsewhere pls

>>8246667
It was on my list, but too many reviews called it boring.

sup /polit/
What did you think of The Dispossessed?

>>8246673
It could be boring for short attention span action junkies. Lots of technical stuff, but I utterly enjoyed seeing the space arks built bit by bit

>>8246680
I lent my copy to a qt trotskyite
she never returned it
bloody typical

>>8246680
Ursula is based. It's not my type of story though. I like her other stuff more.

>>8246684
>anarcho-syndicalist
>based
You have to leave.

>>8246680
Amazing. The language part blew me away even more so that its a real theory.

>>8246683
>trotskyte

Lel

>>8242114
It effects more then scifi my friend, I feel for you.

>>8246689
Stefan plz go

Trial and error OP. You will burn yourself initially but will build a personal list of who is shitty sjw and who is normal. In time you will be ok checking for new books from the good authros etc

>>8246695
>he typed it out instead of copying
anyway aside from that she was a qt

>>8246705
Copying on muuh phone is hard

Qts are usually left leaning no surprise

I stick to old timer authors.sjws aint getting my money.


I do like and recommend revelation space from the younger authors

>>8246165
>Dick only had one good book
>And it's the Man in the High Castle

What.

>>8246715
Off topic but the tv series was nice

But what if author is sjw and a good writer at the same time?

Is /lit/ being the same way by saying to not read anything by people based on what they're political beliefs are?

>>8246717
This topic is a write-off anyway, too much reeing and "left vs right round 53628".

High Castle is pretty good, don't get me wrong, but hardly his only or even best (Three Stigmata imho).

I like Commonwealth Saga by Hamton

Don't remember any overt sjw garbage. A lot of female protagonists but none are forced, they are written well and feel normal and natural

>>8246727
Hamilton*

Sjws need to be rounded up and shot for the good of humanity.

Finally a thread for smart gents like myself

I'm writing a sci-fi trilogy that disguises itself as a SJW wankfest but becomes a blistering satire of where we're heading and why we're going there. Also Dallas, TX gets nuked in 2022.

>>8242114
Try the Dark Tower Serious. There are a number of books and serious without SJW influence. 'perhaps you just have bad taste in tantasy my friend. I like to read darker fantasy

>>8246742
Sounds good. Where are you atm percentage to completion wise?

>>8246765
about .00001% of where I want to be

Idk, why the fuck you deleted it, but I'll answer it for you:
>But what if author is sjw and a good writer at the same time?
depends if he/she is not attention whoring on tweeter or not inserting their fantasy/beliefs on their story by making it organic just like a good ol' story. Perhaps I respect an author more who is apolitical or doesn't voice his opinions on anything that much to get attention.

>>8246712
what sjws?

>>8246733
how euphoric

>>8246804
>or not inserting their fantasy/beliefs on their story by making it organic just like a good ol' story
an author cannot write whatever they damn well like
they have to write what I like
>Perhaps I respect an author more who is apolitical or doesn't voice his opinions on anything that much to get attention.
Keep silent and dont trigger me with your disgusting different views

>>8246804
You would have made a good censor in Stalinist Russia

>>8243849
Zelazny, Wolfe,Le Guin, Dick, Delany each have a couple of thousand pages of solid material.
Also, Lem, Ellison, Strigatsky, John C Wright.

>>8245837
The only people shitting up the board are you whiners.

>>8246176
>>8246198

Are all people who read science fiction regularly as childish as this?

>>8242234
>James SA Corey
>best space opera in recent years

uwot

I read Leviathan Wakes, even wrote my first review on it over on Goodreads (lol) just to vent my frustration, lemme grab some of it.

>shit prose
>all characters have the same voice
>that voice belongs to an autist
>not insignificant portion of dialogue spent reminding us that the women aren't white, for some reason
>action sequences aren't anything special
>tone is weird, lots of death followed by out of place banter/humor

The worst, however:
>the characters are constantly cutting each other off, trying to act like macho men, when in real life if someone kept doing that they'd get the shit kicked out of them for being an obnoxious, overbearing cunt

fuck the book

>>8246523
>REEEEE don't talk back to me mummy make him not talk back to me REEEEE

>>8242234
you seem to really know your shit.
Can you recommend something on Alistair Reynolds level? I'm not in the middle of the trilogy, after I've read Prefect and Chasm, and I honestly don't see how I could go back to the level of Scifi i've been reading before.
>>8244085
It saddens me that you were the only one making actual arguments.
>I don't even agree with your opinion.

>>8246875
absolutely rekt

>>8246832
>also [...] John C. Wright
>listed next to those luminaries
lel
>>8246854
These people dont read SF, they're gamer gate trolls

>>8246854
No, but there's probably a higher percentage of autists than you get with other types of lit.

>>8246379
>>8246386
The first Legend of the Galactic Heroes novel was published in the 80s, but it's just now getting a English translation

>>8246861
>you seem to really know your shit.
except for his whining about SJWs is complete and utter bullshit

>>8246596
>homosexuality is punishable by death,
I'm pretty sure that's just the Galactic Empire.

>>8246880
if they were autistic they wouldn't be making such obvious logical fallacies

I really, really fucking hate SJW crap but I write hermaphrodites, transexuals, crossdressers, and muscular badass female soldiers into my stories

How do I write what I love without being mistaken for a SJW?

>>8246886
>He doesn't have a persecution complex

It's current year, senpai; get your shit straitened.

>>8246892
>How do I write what I love without being mistaken for a SJW?
you cant
anything that challenges the neckbeards worldview is SJW

>>8246892
>How can I be an SJW without being an SJW?

Sigh you SJWs are fucking retarded.

>>8246892
Just write what you feel like and let the reader worry about interpretation. "The author is dead" theory. (Half the time no one can agree on a coherent definition of SJW anyway)

if there is an agenda, why didn't 2312 win?

>>8246898
>>8246902
Hahahaha okay I'll just do whatever then

>>8246904
>Just write what you feel like and let the reader worry about interpretation.
if it challenges their preconceived notions then it will be SJW

>>8246904
Honestly I've always felt it is...not right for "artists" to come out and preach about their work after its already been made, I'm not sure what it is about it, but something seems wrong about it

>>8246012
>He's mad because the liberal bullshit is getting awarded but the shit he agrees with isnt

>>8246114
So get the fuck out of the thread. How can your enormous ego even stand to be here?

>>8246918
see >>8246875

>>8246914
I mean, it's their right to read it that way if they want, just as it's mine to disagree, and hopefully there could be an interesting discussion about the two viewpoints without it degenerating into an
>"SJW!"
>"Neckbeard!"
>"Reddit!"
>"Troll!"
>"Fedora!"
shitpost cavalcade.

>>8246918
Your kinda supposed to make your point in the text. The only situation where I can imagine the author explaining his work rightfully would be when the readers are so culturally disconnected from the author that symbols aren't understood in the way they were intended to be.

>>8246937
Off-topic shitposting is everyone's problem.

>>8246939
No no no
If a work does not conform to a rightwing pro-American evangelical worldview, then it is degenerate trash

>>8246939
>can we stop calling things fedora and neckbeard?
>one of the principal architects of this mess has a neckbeard and wears a fedora
if the shoe fits

>>8246875
nice strawmanning my post with the first post. Maybe I just didn't explain it clearly. As for my first sentence, not inserting the belief on the story by making them allegorical or not explicitly stating the theme on the story. As for my second point, it's about the marketing shit they do in twitter not on the book. I forgot the term they are calling it right now where they shout I'm SJW or something when they are in fact not.

>>8246943
>human government is literally "The Feminist Party"
>the human homeworld is a socialist hellhole
>men are only 13% of the popluation
>men are not allowed within city limits unless they have a work pass
>most men are aggressively recruited into the armed forces
>some men dress up as women to sneak into the city to get all the female attention they could ever ask for
>humans all repopulate via cloning because backstory has rendered all humans sterile
>male genome-types that could pass as female are illegal to produce due to "male colonization of protected female safe zones"
>one of the main characters is a guy named Marcus who crossdresses as a girl named Marcy who sneaks out of the male-ghetto to have crazy nights of non-stop sex with entire nightclubs worths of dick-famished women
>in response The Feminist Party has created Good Hunters, special police agents dedicated to tracking down illegal genome-types and eradicating them

I'm not sure if my message will be clear

If OP actually read Sci-Fi that wouldn't be a question

>>8246968
I think this would be unreadable for anyone but the most retarded rightwinger

>>8246971
should be good for the people ITT

>>8246948
How was I not surprised that the /lit/ purist would wait around until someone gave him attention.

Just as the reason you've probably labeled yourself patrician, it's not about reading it's about considering yourself above the rest.

Get the fuck out of the thread, a very basic reader understands that words have more than one meaning, and I'm referring strictly to the word "literature" which houses the works that you like, the books that I like, and the books that nobody likes.

This may be tough for you, but you must understand that meanings and definitions don't just become what you want them to be if you cry loud enough, and the world isn't going to bend to your will whenever you stomp your feet.

Fuck off, leave, go to a thread that you'll enjoy, if you don't, then what proof does anyone have that you aren't just staying here to bitch and moan about something you find irrelevant? The only thing we can prove is your pseudo intellect.

>>8246971
The main character is literally a trap

>>8246858
>not insignificant portion of dialogue spent reminding us that the women aren't white, for some reason
I bet you thought snowcrash was also super SJW?
characters really felt the same at first. it was weird that he chose two similar white middle aged males to be counter-voices. But with time, You start to see that they are very different, even in the way they think and talk. Did you want him to give speciel cues and change the language so it will be easy to track?

Tone was weird as hack. if you'd enjoyed the weirdness you'd say it's refreshing, and if you didn't you'd say it's just bad writing.
Personally, I loved the blatant film noir bullshit, loved the characters (well, just the decective and the pilot, but it was enough).
>constantly cutting each other off
wow writing isn't like real life. who knew.
>fuck the book
no my friend, fuck you.

>>8246978
lol trigert

>>8246879
He's actually pretty good.
He's Asimov tier honestly.
I was surprised too, believe me.

>>8246968
This sounds a lot like The Wanting Seed by Burgess. Not enough that you won't get published, but enough you'll probably get compared which might be painful.

>>8246861
>Can you recommend something on Alistair Reynolds level?

Sure. He has a very particular style with a solid hard sci-fi core, usually orbiting a space opera setting. His early work like Revelation Space is fantastic, the last few dissolved into unreadable and incoherent sjw trash.

Now many authors are similar, but I'd recommend Vernor Vinge. The "Zones of Thought"" series and the "Bobble"" series have very similar grand scope.

Especially the prequel "A Deepness in the Sky""l, it reads as a Revelation Space novel with a very similar overall setting and dark overtones.

guys... remember to ignore the sjw troll samefagging her own posts and baiting for attention, just don't feed the fat cow and she will dry up on the vine

stop giving her attention, all her arguments have been BTFO and she has been unable to counter anything

do not feed her, sjw is a mental illness

>>8246979
It sounds like he's only dressing up as a trap to get laid though.

Know your enemy

https://www.amazon.com/SJWs-Always-Lie-Taking-Thought-ebook/dp/B014GMBUR4

>>8247117
he's not

>>8247375
>hurr my hugbox
lolno
>arguments BTFO

1) What evidence do you have of an agenda? Does it consist entirely of works/authors you dont like being nominated for/winning a popular award?

2) One moment we are told its about wanting greater literary merit in a popular award, but yet the puppies original claim was that works that were too literary were being promoted and fun books were being ignored. Why is there such a polar opposite contradictory argument being made?

3) Why didn't 2312 win if there is an agenda being pushed?

None of these questions have been answered. No rational argument has been presented. Time and again

>do not feed her, sjw is a mental illness
Said the man who believes that if things he finds disagreeable are popular, its a conspiracy

>>8247561
>know your enemy
it is good to know about the demented echo chamber of a racist Dominionist shit stirer

Can someone recommend a book like the OP is talking about? That won an award for being PC but it's shit?

I don't read sci:fi but I think seeing this shit would be cool

>>8247611
no book has won the Hugoes or any other SF award "for being PC"
The Hugoes are a popular vote and what is popular wins

The complaints are about the mere fact that works written by women, and god help us blacks, have gotten a few nominations and even the occasional win.
That a space opera containing themes they find uncomfortable, like a ship AI that cant discern gender and refers to everyone humans and aliens in a neutral term, have won.
These people and things have been nominated or won, they dont like them, thats proof enough of a conspiracy.

>>8247611
Just check the Hugos for the last 3 yearsm. Ancillary Justice is a revolting sjw wankfest with no redeemable qualities. Check it out.

>>8247633
>if I disregarded the evidence and claim what I like it will surely be true

Disgusting sjw idiot. You are appaling.