/lit/ - Literature

>>8155979
Tokyo Ravens.
It's like Japanese Harry Potter except Harry is actually Voldemort's reincarnation and Hogwarts was secretly run by Death Eaters from the beginning.

30 days until The Great Ordeal

Get hyped!

>>8156002
Also, not saying it was well-written by any means or that the fans who translated it into English from a Chinese translation were better prose stylists than your average hobo. It really did capture my imagination, though.

>>8156002
Go read Owari no Chronicle for something actually good.

How much SCIENCE do you like in your science fiction?

How much EXPOSITION and MADE UP THEORY do you want to read about

>>8156022
It isn't really a question of how much, It's nearly impossible to write good exposition, are you truly good enough to make it work? probably not.

>>8156018
>thing I like is good
>therefore thing you like is not good
More than one thing can be good at a time, anon. I want to get into the Kawakamiverse someday but I don't have any nearby colleges offering it as a major.

>>8156036
I wasn't really talking about myself. Wondering more about it in general.

>>8156036
Nonsense. It's easy to write good exposition for readers that want it, it's completely impossible to write it so that litfic teacup tragedy folks like it.

>>8156022
The sci-fi authors that spend pages upon pages explaining fake science and fake theories produce the worst works the genre has to offer, unless they're subverting that practice like Lem in Solaris.

>>8156046
>teacup
Heh, we're in a thread where somebody won a award writing horrible exposition about drinking tea.

Pls no.

>>8156047
Or like Verne in 20,000 Leagues.

Fake science and fake theories can be marvelous if they are done well, introduced in a mode appropriate to the story, and are in fact story-relevant.

>>8156022
How ILLITERATE do you think people on this LITERATURE board are? Typing like this makes you look RETARDED and you should probably FUCK OFF.

>>8156039
>More than one thing can be good at a time,
And unfortunately random shovelware LN #564842 translated from Chinese isn't one of those things.

>>8156047
Writers that use any method badly are by definition bad authors. If you describe stuff like an idiot you're a bad writer. Exposition isn't inherently bad it's just always done really badly.

>>8156057
>honestly giving a fucking shit
also ironic shitposting is still shitposting so checkmate

>>8156061
>random shovelware LN #564842
but it isn't

On the topic of science exposition; do yourself a favor and read Qualia no Purple. It's a manga, and only 18 chapters long. The first chapter seems uneventful but it turns into pretty crazy SciFi very very soon. Really interesting read.

http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Qualia-the-Purple/Ch-001--Episode-001?id=164690

>>8156079
I read that back when it was only half-translated. Quite a ride, ending could have been done better. I heard the novel it was based on was much better.

>>8156097
Yeah, not really a surprise considering how much freaking text the manga has. Though the novel is untranslated, so most people only have the manga.

On that note the Japanese have a lot of crazy untranslated Science Fiction, very different stylistically from the trope heavy stuff in the west. Shame most people will never get to experience it.

>>8156113
They are trope heavy, they just have different tropes that evolve differently.

Mordiggian is pretty based, doesn't get angry, recognizes his priests* duly fucked up and lets would-be heretics go.

Who themselves don't seem particularly bad.

Nigga definitely ain't a Great Old One Aniolowski.

>>8156278
No-god is best God

>>8156296
Who?

>>8156299
The No-God is the Savior of the Unholy Consult, the antithesis of human life and the hive mind for all the orcs, ogres and dragons of Bakker's Universe.

>>8156325
Huh, No-God > No-Name > Na-Nashi > Na-Kami > Vacuous/Spaceous God

>>8156325

>ywn give your soul over the to no-god as he protects you from damnation
>ywn be free from the arbitrary shackles of damnation the gods have imprisoned you with

just let a ciphrang feast on my soul already...

>>8156414
>ywn have a harem of skinspies to do unspeakable things to as they transform into the most beautiful women you can imagine, their feminine dicks throbbing in anticipation

What might have been...

>>8156022
>How much SCIENCE do you like in your science fiction?
ALL OF IT

>How much EXPOSITION and MADE UP THEORY do you want to read about
ALL OF IT

>when you're high and the author with an Astrophysics Ph.D and years of working experience explains how inertial dampeners function and work

>>8156079
Do you have any general hard sci-fi manga recs?

>>8155979

>What's your favorite work of Sci-Fi or Fantasy not written in your native language?
Solaris

>What foreign writers have captured your imagination?
In addition to Lem, Verne has been huge for me (esp Twenth Thousand Leagues). Zamyatin, Strugatskys. Omon Ra by Pelevin was pretty good.

Whom should I read next? Zajdel? Sorokin?

are any of the star wars books good?

>>8156700
Shadows of the Empire is great.

>>8156541
>Zajdel?
I didn't think he'd been translated to English. Unless you learned Polish despite not being from Poland, which would be cool.
I recommend The Slynx by Tatyana Tolstaya.

Second and last (for the time being) reminder that The Bard is looking to publish your work. The cliffnotes version:
>short stories of the fantastical or speculative, of about 750 words
>we pay (a pittance)
>we give feedback even if we say no
>it'll be distributed in free pdf format, for all to enjoy
The submission cut-off is August 15th, 2016, so you've still got almost two months to write your 750 word masterpiece and get it in. For more info find our cheap-ass website via our Facebook page:
>fb.com/thebardquarterly/

As always I'll return in a few hours to answer any questions. Thanks, and I promise not to spam your threads again until at least July 15th!

>>8157043
I submitted already, will you be looking at my work only after August 15?

>>8157043
So do you want leftist drivel or actually thoughtful speculative fiction?

>>8157043
I see you don't have too many likes, do you think you'll in time become relatively widely read? Or are you a second scam magazine /lit/ is seeing?

>>8156527
>Do you have any general hard sci-fi manga recs?
Well, Qualia. Other than that it's a pretty sparse selection or very soft. You could try 'Planetes' which is about a team collecting debris in space and is pretty hard at times.

>>8156527
>Do you have any general hard sci-fi manga recs?
Well, Qualia. Other than that it's a pretty sparse selection or very soft. You could try 'Planetes' which is about a team collecting debris in space and is pretty hard at times.

has anyone read clash of kings? thoughts?

>>8157067
We'll be reading all throughout the submission window. After that, we'll get together and make our final decisions on August 15th, and we'll be emailing out feedback/acceptance letters en masse on August 17th. I know this seems like a long wait, but the team is small and we don't want to half-ass or rush anything. Try and put it on your mental backburner and keep on writing.

And thanks for submitting!
>>8157154
Heh, you say that like there are only two kinds of stories in the world: leftist drivel or thoughtful speculative fiction. There's no ideological slant to the magazine, if your story is interesting, engaging and well written, and not gratuitous in putting forward a political ideology on either end of the spectrum, you'll probably be accepted.
>>8157163
I thought 140 likes in a single weekend wasn't too shabby! We'll have to try harder. We'll strive to maintain a level of professionalism and quality which, hopefully, will see people who've never even heard of 4chan reading. Everyone starts somewhere, and while the goal is always to grow, it's still early days, and far too soon to say whether we'll ever become 'widely read.'

Thanks everyone for your interest!

>>8157320
Japanese pleb lit has this thing where they have totally hard, well-considered science, really crunchy things like O'Neill cylinders and near-future directed energy artillery coexisting with giant robots, conspicuously talented cute girls, and/or otherworldly horrors. I wouldn't even say Qualia's hard SF, really. Closest thing to Leviathan Wakes would be Gundam, closest to Larry Niven's stuff would be... Space Dandy? I'm really drawing a blank.

>>8156796

It looks like Zajdel hasn't been translated into English yet. I would love to pick up Polish, but that wouldn't be practical for me. Thanks for the mention of Tolstaya, that looks good.

>>8156022
>How much SCIENCE do you like in your science fiction?
Zero

>How much EXPOSITION and MADE UP THEORY do you want to read about
12

>>8156442
>as they transform into the most beautiful women you can imagine
>their feminine dicks throbbing in anticipation
>beautiful women
>feminine dick
...what?

>>8156022
grad student of physics here
very little, but not so little that it feels like they're too lazy to write about it

going on, page after page, explaining how some warp-drive works is irrelevant to the plot and is frankly a waste of time
but just casually saying 'oh i forgot the ship has a warp drive and now, in this chase scene, they use it to get away' is equally frustrating

>>8153191
Shill anon answer my fucking questions. You made me read it, now take responsibility.

Red Knight is shit so far. All they can talk about is God and "her" Jeezus , the wild, "but it's a golden bear", "a GOLDEN BEAR", old priestess' and their stunningly youthful wanton cunnys, and too many POVs.

Fuck you who suggested this tripe to me.

>>8158080
It takes a bit to get rolling, and it's one of those where every consecutive book gets better than the one before.

Could also be a case of shit taste from your side though.

Did I just finish the second Malazan book?
If so, what did I think about it?
Did I like it if I finished it?

>>8158105
The answer to your interrogations is YES you are a cuck

>>8157043

If I subit a story do you get all the rights to it or whatever?

>>8158099
You better not be... what I think you are..
My tastes are fine thank you very much.

I've read 700+ books between 2010 and now, and I'm getting really tired of seeing authors just throw in Christianity, change up some shit, and call it high fantasy.

That is lazy ass work.

>>8158105
>Did I just finish the second Malazan book?
No, you did not.

>If so, what did I think about it?
You will never know, because you didn't finish it .

>Did I like it if I finished it?
You would really like this question answered, but seeing as you didn't finish it you will never know, and this frustrates you.

>>8158141
Duh, hence why the "we pay you", I didn't even read their TOS, and i could figure that out.

Probably be like those pulp books back in the day, they compile a bunch of stories and sell it.

>>8158168

Thank you.

>>8158147
Why in the world would you read so much fantasy?

>>8158147
Why would 'getting tired' be a factor of anything? You should judge the work on its own merit and whether it does the things good / better than other books.

And having read that much speaks against your taste, not for it.

>>8157838
It's 2016 come on

Women can have dicks you shitlord

Anyone read this? Seems like every female character has at one point talked about how superior their gender is.

Aside from that its decent.

Horror fiction thread in /x/:

>>>/x/17792935/

>>8158547
Messed up

>>>/x/17792935

>>8158548
I'm not opening yet another tab. Just tell them to come here, their thread is dead anyways.

>>8157043
>fb.com/thebardquarterly/
Hi, hope you're reading this. The link to your website from the Facebook page isnt working, am I a fool?

>>8158525
Isn't that only the Mother Superior?

>>8158595
Nah, senpai. You've also got the Queen, the Queen's nurse, the Queen's lady, Blanche, Mag, Alceus' mum, Ghause, Sukey and probably a few others too.

I'm counting the sequels too.

>>8158661
>sukey thinking she's better than anyone

U wot

>military sci-fi story about a civil war between different ethnic and political groups of a planet loosely based on the Spanish Civil War, Balkan Wars and Syrian Civil War

Would you guys read it?

>>8158552
works for me

>>8159063
too depressing

why can't we live in peace? we're all human... so sick of this

>>8159124
You have failed to grasp the entirety of the human experience. We must do violence upon one another, it is both a psychic and biological imperative.

is Leviathan wakes any good?

asking for a friend.

>>8158347
Redshit and tumbgay is that way.

Woman comes from womb, they can have dicks if they are hermaphrodite, because they still have a womb, if not they not women.

Do what you want, its a free world, but it's that same free world that allows me to not agree with you.

Fuck off.

>>8159190
>falling for such easy bait

I thought /lit/ would be able to to tell I was being sarcastic.

>>8159208
>expecting Alt-Right people to comprehend sarcasm

Just finished pic related. HardSF about a damaged seed/embryo type ship. Fast-paced first person perspective that leaves you just as confused as the protag. Quick read, but quite enjoyable.

>>8159190
>reddit
>not /pol2/

Can I have some of your favorite SFF novella / short stories?

>>8159262

>>8159208
>>8159219
>not realizing that >>8159190 was actually meta-trolling

>>8159237
>not mentioning the boob lamia

>>8159237
>>8159400
Not to mention the boob lamia.

Which are your numbers sffg?

>>8159262
>Can I have some of your favorite SFF novella / short stories?
The Machine Stops for Novella, The Last Question and Nightfall by Asimov for short stories.

>>8159458
None of the above. I want to cuddle you and make eye contact.

>>8159463

>>8159458
4, 6, 7, maybe 14.

>>8159463
That's super lewd

>>8159458
...This is actually making me freak out a little bit. I match everything except 5 and 11. I could have sworn I was a functioning 24 year old but maybe I am slightly autistic? I was told it was ADHD and anxiety though. God dammit Anon.

>>8159488
That chart taught me we are all autistic, that is why we are on 4chens, because deep down, subconsciously, we know this to be true.

And we flock together for comfort.

>>8159458
2, 6, 7, and 13

>>8159458
>likes to do barrel rolls
>laughs out loud at other misfortune irl
Oh shi-

>>8159458

>1
is it inappropriate to laugh when someone gets hurt? ie hit by a car
>3
like when you cut your hand and dont notice it until you see the cut?
>13
oh come on everyone spins on those office chairs
>14
other people suck

>>8159458
Definitely 1 (I'm that guy who laughs at a horror movie), and a bit of 6 and 14 but I can pull it together and be social if I really want to. Not quite sure what 9 means, is it just liking to collect stuff, or more like those guys who wank onto figurines?

>>8159187
Yes.

>>8159687
>9
Maybe hoarding, or you see objects as a person

I just finished The Fires Of Heaven and boy am I fucking mad.

>hype up Couladin for 1200 pages
>killed offscreen
>Moiraine and Asmodean arguably the most interesting characters
>LEL THEY DIE
>Plotfire away Rahvin without even some background, motivations, hell he doesn't even fucking speak

FUCK YOU JORDAN, BY GOD, FUCK YOU

>>8160440
Why the fuck do people read him when everyone knows his writing is utter garbage?
Read the wiki page, it's like putting yourself through torture of reading 40k novels instead of just going to Lexicanum.

>>8160447
For every five of us that see that the series is crap and try to warn people away from it there's one person who defends it as a cliche series that has its ups and downs but is ultimately worth reading. I think it's a form of Stockholm syndrome.

>>8160788

Nah, it's close to buyer's remorse, they spent all that time (money) on it and now that it turned out to be complete shit, they have to justify it, so they delude themselves into thinking yeaaaaaaaah it has its down BUT ALSO THE UPS!!!

>>8160788
>>8160791

But how can one know it's crap without reading it first?

>>8160832
People with tast dislike it or are at best ambivalent towards it.
People without taste love it.
Hence, it's safe to conclude that unless you have read more than 3-4k novels that you have better things to read, considering the massive risk of pointless waste of time and maybe money.
So you can't KNOW, but you can make an assumption with a high degree of certainty.

I decided to follow your advice and I have dropped WoT after book 5. I could have continued on the basis of "too invested to stop now", but that's sunk cost fallacy.

Started reading The Dispossessed instead and it's like having a fresh drink of water after being stranded in the desert for weeks. No more braid tugging, sniffing, skirt smoothing and women's clothing. No more.

>>8160996
Great move lad, enjoy a good book for a change.

>>8156079
damn this was good. All dat sciencing. Turns out the book was given awards for how accurate it was in science. I cant find any info on the original book though.

Any more recs like this? Short but sweet?

>>8161028
>I cant find any info on the original book though.
It has the same name, but it isn't translated if you were looking for that. https://www.amazon.co.jp/紫色のクオリア-電撃文庫-うえお-久光/dp/404867904X

>Any more recs like this? Short but sweet?
Qualia is a standout, unfortunately there isn't much like it (in the translated realm). I recommended someone else 'Planetes', you could check that out though it's very different. People in space collecting debris, and the hardships that come with that (27 chapters long).

>>8160996
>Guin
Ruh-oh

>>8161073

I have read the whole of Earthsea plus Left Hand of Darkness and there was not one book among these that wasn't top notch SFF.

>>8161103
>You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.

>>8161132

So what are you still doing here?

>>8161136

>>8160996
Excellent decision, saved a lot of wasted time.

>>8161152
>>8161019

Do you recommend reading synopses of the remaining books or do I just leave it?

A part of me does want to know how it all turns out. It's just that I'm not willing to slog through ten thousand pages of filler to get to the end, not anymore.

>>8160440
>>Moiraine and Asmodean arguably the most interesting characters
>>LEL THEY DIE

Asmodean may or may not have. Moiraine didn't.

>>8161161
Just do it then, it'll only take 5-10 mins.

>muh Christianity
>muh magic
>muh greek gods
>muh wild
>muh chivalry
>muh knights
>muh lack of rape
>muh golden bear
>muh multiple POVs
>muh door to muh mind
>muh queen so beautiful
>muh jealous of 14 yr old cunny
FUCK YOU WHO SUGGESTED THIS SHIT TO ME
I HOPE YOUR BOIPUCCI GET RAVAGED BY A PACK OF WILD GAY MEN.

WTF THIS BOOK IS SHIT.

I'm now 100% sure that it was a member of the Dino Squad that recommended this to me. The statement about tastes had me wary, but I'm a quarter way into this book now, and if it takes longer than that for it to "get rolling", the author has utterly failed in his craft.

Not everyone has completist autism like me, they wouldn't stick so far into a book for no reward. Because I assure you, everything in this book has been done before, and it isn't even a fresh take on the tired tropes to give some curiosity.

I don't even want to know how the book ends and i have 400+ more pages to go.

I miss Preganonette.

>>8161174

It was still bullshit about Couladin and Rahvin. It's like Jordan does the fucking opposite of show don't tell. He tells everything but shows nothing. Like, do we know what ANY of Rand's sword forms actually do? Hell no, just their fucking names.

>>8161182
Is that the extent of your criticism? Saying "muh" and adding a random word after? Also the book came out in 2012.

>>8161182
>I don't even want to know how the book ends and i have 400+ more pages to go.
How about not reading it?

>>8161190
>Also the book came out in 2012.
another reason to avoid it

>>8161182
The book must be fantastic if chart anon doesn't like it.

Ordering it on amazon right now!

>>8161201

Yeah I'm gonna order it too on qBittorent.

>>8161189
I actually like that about the way Jordan wrote the sword fights. It's cheesy as fuck but it's enjoyable at least, most authors go into far too much detail and it comes off as dry and boring to me.
As for Mat killing Couladin, didn't you pay attention to Bair's talk about children who want to be chiefs setting up straw men? Rand had greater responsibilities. At the end of the day, Couladin was a small fry who was getting manipulated by others.

as for Rahvin, he wasn't much better than Couladin actually. the series doesn't lack for big bads, I can accept some of them getting shoved out of the limelight quickly. Especially when there's bad guys as good as Semirhage, Graendal and Demandred.

>>8161190
>Dinosaurs only read books in the 70's
It's a certain type of book that makes them dinos, not the year it was published.

And so far this reads like the pulp shit they like.

>>8161193
>How about not reading it?
>what is reading comprehension
>Not everyone has completist autism like me,

>>8161219
Why do you care about how many pages are left then?

>>8161219
I don't think you know what pulp is.

>>8161205
>>8161201
>all of chart anon's books are shit
>that means his taste are shit
>any book he doesn't like is good
.... I'll be waiting for your rage, and you will only have yourself to blame.


None of the books listed here good right?

Why do you keep arguing with the shitposter?

He's never gonna like anything even remotely good, he probably has a 3 ft tall golden statue of Sanderson in his living room to which he prays daily while sacrificing young lambs. Let him scorn Wolfe, Peake, etc...and stay a pleb the rest of his life, nothing you can do.

>>8161233
A couple are good, less than 10%. Red Knight blows out almost everything on that picture in quality.

>>8161226
BECAUSE I HAVE TO READ THROUGH ALL OF THAT

ARE YOU THAT DAFT? ARE YOU THE 78IQ ANON?

ONCE I START A BOOK I MUST COMPLETE IT.

Thank god this doesn't extend to the series themselves,.

>>8161233

Powers, Kay, Clarke and Wolfe are good. GRRM and the Witcher guy are acceptable.

Don't know about the rest.

>>8161242
What a pathetic little bitch.

>>8161243
Witcher books are shit pham.

>>8161233
>Brent Weeks
>Jim Butcher
Someone needs to cut down this chart down by about half.

>>8161236
>he doesn't like what i like and goes out of his way to call me on my shit
Just because I'm not participating in memeing ppl to read Conan and fag mouser doesn't mean I'm a shitposter.

Unlike you, I read books before I call them shit.
I was recommended a few, Iron Dragon's Daughter was great, so was Hull 3 Zero, red knight so far has been shit, i have many others to read, but I will only call them shit after I read them.

You just shitpost about Sanderson because you read your buddy's review on goodreads, or maybe that book blog place. Fuck off.

>>8161239
And how many of those books have you read?

>>8161260
You reading something doesn't really matter, since you obviously don't read with your brain turned on.

>>8161236
Uh... his list has 2 wolfe books and a dick book...
did you even look at it?

>>8161161
It probably has a really cool wiki, go through it. >>8161255
Witcher short stories are often pretty dank. Not great, but nice to kill time.
>>8161266
That is the only way to read Sanderson desu

>>8161266
Then how do I know red knight is shit?
Since my brain is supposedly off, I'm suppose to wantonly swallow it up like you did.

>even if you read a book and disliked it, my opinion is worth more than yours, and I can tell you are shit, even if I didn't read the book myself

Please, please, go to a hell's angel bar wearing a crotchless pants.

>>8161233
>>8161239
>>8161243
>>8161258
Reminder superior chart (I added one).

>>8161285
>Then how do I know red knight is shit?
You don't.
>Since my brain is supposedly off, I'm suppose to wantonly swallow it up like you did.
You are supposed to fuck off to some other site and get recommendations from like minded retards and leave us in peace.
>Please, please, go to a hell's angel bar wearing a crotchless pants.
Please, just go to r/fantasy already.

i started readin blood song, liked it a lot so far. now some blind witch girl showed up and im wondering if the series is gonna turn into some retarded romance novel

>>8161296
Haven't read it but I heard people say book 1 is good and after that it turns into unreadable shit. Take that as you will.

>>8161296
Are blind girls better in bed?

>>8161289
>Voice of the Fire
my nigga

>>8161299
good to know, thank you brother

>>8161303
not that im an expert but why would that matter

>>8161314
Dunno, always wondered what it's like and if there's a difference

>>8156707
This. It's the best one by far, and one of the few that has a legitimate purpose (connects V and VI)

>>8157335
The second book in asoiaf? Yeah, about 4ish years ago. From what I remember, I enjoyed it, though I was ~16 at the time so maybe 20 yo me wouldn't enjoy it as much. There's a decent battle sequence near the end. Tyrion has some fun chapters acting as hand of the king. Also I think there's a blowjob scene where one of the Greyjoys sucks off her brother or something?
That's all I remember. If you read A Game of Thrones, go ahead and read it. Series turns to shit by the end of the third volume, though. Overall, I'd consider the series to be just okay, maybe slightly above average at its best moments. Majority of the hate it gets is due to unwarranted popularity.

>>8159063
>I'd give it a try

>>8161386
I think the greyjoy just gets a blowjob from a random daughter of a sea captain.
She had an ugly smile.
I remember it because sex scenes are the only memorable thing about the man, honestly.
She swallowed and had bad teeth.

>>8160996
>No more braid tugging, skirt smoothing, etc.
Dude, that doesn't even become a problem til like book 8. Maybe you just have a shitty attention span. Perhaps John Green would be a little more your speed...

>>8161404
There's literally no person in the world who has an attention span too low for Wheel of Time.

Also, while we are at it, is there a Wheel of Time edit which removes half of it and leaves a readable series?

>>8161182
>Not liking them hunt the wyvren

Pretty shit taste tee bee aych

>>8161395
Ah yes, that sounds a little more familiar

>>8161416
Retrospectively, it's really shit. I've read 3k pages of the series and remember like 5 scenes, 3 of which are sex because I was a teenager when I read it and eating out redheads has always been a fetish.

>>8161409
>>8161411
Can't even tell if this is bait or not.
As far as I'm aware, nothing of the sort exists. If you're being serious, just read chapter summaries of the parts you don't like.

>>8161289
>Rsilsea
>Malazan
Jesus H. Christ Anon. explain yourself.

>>8161409

For me it's not a question of attention span, but patience.

I tried, but I really could not abide Jordan's bloated useless fillers which take hundreds of pages of pure NOTHING.

>>8161425
Sounds about right. Read the whole series around the ages of 15-16, those vivid sex scenes always stuck out to me as a horny teenage virgin.

>>8161426
>Can't even tell if this is bait or not.
Why would it be? It's a drawn out, poorly edited work with a massive amount of completely redundant... Well everything
>As far as I'm aware, nothing of the sort exists. If you're being serious, just read chapter summaries of the parts you don't like.
Too bad, because if he had an editor it would be pretty salvageable. It could probably be reduced to 6-7 books, easily.
>>8161436
I know, it's not a book that strains attention at all. Joyce and Aquinas strain it a lot, Wolfe and le Guin require it, John C. Wright some and Jordan none because you can go on autopilot skipping pages upon pages of dead text.

>>8161435
Railsea's got giant moles, comfy train engineer-ing, and a lot of jokes for the poor sods who read all of Moby Dick.

>>8161442

He did have an editor.

Too bad said editor was his fucking wife who constantly pushed for more books and cut nothing because the series literally printed money.

I assume she phoned Sanderson while Jordan wasn't even cold yet.

>>8161450
If an editor doesn't actually edit, outside grammar, spelling and formating, it's like no editor at all.

>>8161448
It's a masturbatory YA colouring book that unironically pretends to be a Pynchon novel.

It's 2016 Anon & nobody uses Perl any more.

>>8161442
>Why would it be?
>"There's literally no person in the world who has an attention span too low for Wheel of Time."
>"While we're at it, is there a version without all the boring parts I can't get through?"
Assumed these were both you, and if so, that's pretty contradictory.

Anyways, I would have to agree that the series for sure could have been reduced, maybe down to about 8-10 volumes, though. He did have an editor, but he probably would have benefited far more from one he wasn't fucking at the time.
It's about the journey, not the destination, but 7-10 could have been reduced to one or two books, and that probably would have benefitted the series immensely.

>>8161457

That was my point.

>>8161450
>I assume she phoned Sanderson while Jordan wasn't even cold yet.
kek, you're probably right

>>8161467

I'm dreading the infamous "seven to ten" since I only have Book Six to finish and then the hell begins.

Oh well. I hope this Demandred guy is better than Ravhin, who was all hype and delivered jack shit.

>>8161467
Going through easy to read bullshit hundreds of pages long doesn't require attention, attention is that which you need to 'get' the text.
There's more need for attention in 100 pages of Groundwork of Metaphysics of Morals because you need to read supplementary text, footnotes, reread it and just make pauses to understand the text is what attention is.
Forcing yourself throughout lots of pointless and bland amalgamation of nothing is more akin to Stockholm syndrome.
And also, the journey is really dull. Not the this text is hard and not fun dull, like Categories for example or your legal textbook, it's the Jesus Christ I've just read 100 pages that could have been condensed into 30 without losing on anything of the journey part type of dull.

>>8161461
>>8161461
I guess you could call it 'masturbatory' at a stretch, but I liked all the little classic lit references (yes, even the Melville/Mieville puns he did in interviews). Never liked Pinecone much so that wasn't an issue.

>It's 2016 Anon & nobody uses Perl any more.
What?

>>8161461
Sounds fun if it isn't long desu, cute YA romance that also isn't pathetic is good for filling the hole made by crushing loneliness.

>>8161474
Book 8 has some really really good Rand chapters, and the ending of Book 9 is spectacular. 7 is slow but bearable from what I remember, and there are some pretty funny Mat chapters.
Book 10 is fucking godawful, but 11 brings the series nearly back to the quality of its peak.

>>8161461
>It's 2016 Anon & nobody uses Perl any more.
Do I need to read this book?

I finished the first Malazan book, I have no idea what happened in the entirety of the book

>>8161484
Not really a romance, more like Robert Louis Stevenson high seas adventure. Except the seas are made of train rails that cover the whole planet.

>>8161295
>us in peace
>i speak for all off sffg
There are 2 other Sandersonfags in these Generals other than me, and many anons share my tastes.

It is you, a near extinct predator of the past who is dying out, and it is you, who needs go go out there and find like minded (pea brain), individuals such as yourself.

Please go to /r/dinosaur already.

>>8161489
That's normal, book 1 is generally considered the worst. Read book 2 now and see if you like it.

>>8161493
There are good and bad old books
There are good and bad new books
Can't we have peace?

>>8161493

>the future is Sanderson
>many share my tastes

That's okay. Historically, the unwashed masses of plebs have alwasy been numerically superior to the few patricians.

>>8161331
The difference is they can't see our ugly mugs, so when we are dicking them, they don't have to close their eyes to shut out our repulsiveness.

>>8161476
Some very valid points, anon. There are sections of the slower books in which 500 pages could easily be condensed into about 50. There are many chapters in 9-10 (mostly Perrin and Egwene, IIRC) where the POV just walks across their camp and back, noting what people are eating and what they're wearing. Chapters like these could have been eliminated entirely, but IMO, it's still worth slogging through it to get to books 11-14.

>>8161493
It's not the Sanderson himself, it's the fact that you are the most obnoxious person in the general, but not in the Marc Aramini ego trip kind of way, rather in the being a fucking moron.

>>8161505
>Tfw no chaste blind Catholic gf

>>8161493
I prefer new fiction over old for the most part, the problem with you is that you only like bad fiction. You've become the average mindless reader who only looks for instant satisfactory 'epic plot' and nothing else. Case in point with thinking Weeks & other shitty stuff on the chart being better than Cameron.

>>8161413
You sound like a 12 year old who is into dragons and knights books.

I FUCKING HATE dragons in my books, I hate knight shit too.

Go read Tolkien, Goodkind or GURM for your
>muh dragons
>muh knights

>>8161521

Tolkien wasn't really about dragons and knights tho, and for that matter neither is Gurm.

>>8161521
>read a book about Knights
>has knights fighting dragons on the cover
>plot synopsis is about Knights fighting monsters

>get butthurt when it's about Knights fighting monsters and all that comes with that.

Bravo, anon.

>>8161521
>I hate dragons and knights
>book is literally called "The Red Knight" and you can see a knight fighting a dragon on the cover, yet you still chose to read it
D-Do you have brain problems? That hardly is the books fault.

>>8161531
He should read The Wizard Knight next.
Lots of world building and no knights or dragons, also new from 2004.

>>8161521
>mfw learned the library's paper cataloging system with the sole intention of reading every book that contained dragons

>>8161450
Sanderson hit that and regrets it.
Look the knowing look, she enjoyed it, Sanderson feels regret.

>>8161502
We can, I read both old and new. It's the fucking dinosaurs that are the problem. They believe there are only good old books and bad new books.

Hell, I'm not even the only one who calls them dinosaurs, just shows that people are fed up with their elitist attitude.

>>8161530
>sffg anons shilled the book to me
>took their coin
>didn't like the colour of their money
>come back to tell shill
>shill's buddies come and jump me

>>8161574
>They believe there are only good old books and bad new books.

So pretty much 95% of /lit/?

>people are fed up with their elitist attitude.

Is change coming, anon? I would certainly welcome it.

>>8161193
That would actually be a sensible thing to do, which is unheard of amongst the autists of 4chan

>>8161590

Well according to some anons here I did a sensible thing in dropping WoT so I guess I unautism'd myself.

>>8161608
>Dropping one of the best fantasy sagas of all time.
No.

>>8161612

Nigger by book 5 I knew more about Egwene's taste in clothing than my own master thesis, jesus fuck you must be baiting.

>>8161613
kek

>>8161613
>it's another egwene gets spanked scene

>>8161574
Almost all fantasy is new. There's very little of it that is old. And that's mostly proto fantasy.

>>8161612
>Best
No.
>>8161521
How autistic is a person who hates knights and dragons and picks up a book with a dragon and a knight o the cover, called the red knight?

>>8161694
>one of the best
Yes.

>>8161761
Are we counting only 3 works as competition ?

>>8161612
Too many parallels with LotR for my liking. I enjoyed reading them in high school but I had to stop after the 4th book. Definitely some interesting stuff going on but my tastes went in a different direction and now I have no interest in returning.

>>8161766
No.

>>8161766
Look man, I'll have you know I've read Sword of Truth, 90% of Shannara, and everything my school library has in Dragonlance.
I.
Am.
A.
Pro.

Honor Harington: "Out of the 159,000 missiles, 20,000 were fooled by ECM. Countermissiles killed another 35,000 and the point defense lasers stopped another 47,000. That left 57,000 missiles enveloping Task Force 73, and the ships writhed in agony as bomb-pumped lasers stabbed deep into their armor."

And this goes on for pages and pages.

>>8161981
>not enjoying bomb-pumped lasers stabbing deep into your armor
You're not a pervert, are you?
But anyway read Lost Fleet instead.

>>8156012
I'm already hyped.
And what's going on in that picture?

>>8161981

This is drop-the-book-right-there-and-then tier writing.

Is Malazan really that good? Currently reading the first book, Gardens of the Moon, and it's not as gripping as I thought it would be.

>>8162046
If you've been here longer than 10 seconds you'd know the answer for that. The first book is regarded as very weak/confusing and was written as a D&D campaign initially. He wrote the second book 10 years later and from then on the series picked up in quality and keeps it up until the end.

>>8162046
You have to survive the first book. Erikson doesn't explain anything. Eventually you will take in enough information to form a fuzzy idea about what's going on.

>>8162056
>>8162058
All right then, I'll keep reading.

>>8162056
>keeps it up until the end.
Doesn't sound like you've read them desu senpai

>>8159063
Is there gonna be a cool gimmick like teleportation?

>>8161493
Don't lump me in with you, nigger.

If a fantasy has a map, then it's shit.

prove me wrong.

>>8162177
Tolkien

>>8162177
First Law confirmed for GOAT

>>8162199
First Law is complete garbage

>>8161796
What the rust did you just rusting say about me, you little skaa? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Hazekillers, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Kelsier's rebels, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top archer in the entire Final Empire armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the rust out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on Scadrial, mark my rusting words. You think you can get away with saying that mist to me over the Internet? Think again, mister. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the Cosmere and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re rusting dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with wooden sticks. Not only am I extensively trained in anti-Mistborn combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Final Empire and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable skaa off the face of the continent, you little mist. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your rusting tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you Lord Ruler-damn idiot. I will rust fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re rusting dead, kiddo.

>>8162046
>>8162056
>>8162058

It's a crappy series and people think it has "depth" because it doesn't explain everything to you like you're in kindergarten, it's drivel trash

>>8162161
You and me, we're the same.

>>8161988
The Lost Fleet series is great, has some of the best "Fleet Action" writing in scifi without ending up like Weber's missile counting. Though I thought the largely unforeshadowed AI ships in the end of the second series was sort of weird. The spinoff series about the rebel system in the Syndic worlds is okay too, but I found the romance annoying (two adults spend four books mooning over how they each secretly have feelings for each other) and really didn't like the "General Drakon's bodyguards are soooooo cooooool" stuff.

Any other suggestions for SF Fleet Action stuff? I've heard the Dread Empire's series has some, but haven't read it yet.

>>8162045
The author writing other books with Eric Flint has had a net positive on the series, because David Weber has now learned that not all liberals are evil, which has added some level of depth to the politics in the series.

I've read all the books in the series, mainly due to being a dumb teenager for most of them, only the first 3 are good.

>>8162183
but that is shit, what you anon?

>>8156707
>>8161371


Ok, I will check it out

I tied reading Darth Bane but Im tempted to drop it, after he leaves the mining planet the MC instantly becomes an elite sith trooper, I feel like the book could have started at that point if you are going to make the jump so quickly

some anon mentioned somewhere Darth Plagueis, Heir to the empire and the "tales of" collection of books, are those any good?

>>8162321
He's in the top 10 sff authors, easily.

>>8161233
>>8162321

We need a Chosen One to bring balance to SFF, between the Dino Side and the Sander Side.

>>8162361

I shall bring balance to the force

my chart shall be named "Im having fun and you cant stop me core"

start with some suggestions you bunch of sissies

>>8162361
Isn't that the chart in the OP? It mixes new and old

Are the "big three" just a meme?

I've read Asimov, and I've heard a lot about Clarke and plan to read Rendevous with Rana this month, but I've never heard anything about Heinlein.

Other than Starship troopers (because of the film) he's alien to me. Where's a good place to start with him? And is Rana a good starting point for Clarke?

>>8162321
Add Sirens of Titan to that what a piece of shit novel.

>>8162420
I've never read Clarke or Asimov, but be weary of Heinlein.
Starship Troopers is 60% regular boot camp interchangeable with any other boot camp story, 30% awful ideology, and I really mean ideology, not philosophy and 10% boring battle.
If you want military sf, I recommend Helsreach. It's 40k, but it's cool focused and fun. Not good, but a great time killer.

>>8162420
Heinlein feels pretty dated to read nowadays, but then again so is most of the scifi on that chart.

>>8162420
I actually never heard that trio, thought it was "ABC" (Asimov, Bradbury, Clarke). Heinlein varies wildly, maybe start with Puppet Masters? Rama's good, if a little lacking in characterization.

>>8162366
>makes a chart with books he hasn't read
As autistic as he might be, chart anon said he read all his books. What good is a chart if you haven't read it to judge it's quality?

You will end up with books like Jesus Raptor Butt Invasion.

>>8162404
No it is not. We are not putting Dino anon's chart in the OP.

I'm reading the 3rd Golden Age novel.
Say what you will, but it's a great ride for the imagination.

>>8162439

I never said that I was going to include the stuff without reading it

but then again I should have been more clear

>>8162444
You know one person can just put it there and keep it there?

What are some good SFF with an engaging mystery as its focal point? I'm in the mood for something like that.

>>8162453
Most Gene Wolfe novels read like a mystery you slowly unwind and grow to understand.
Golden Age by John C Wright is trying to imitate it and is successful to a degree.

>>8162296
Yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed the first series but didn't even try for the second, with all the hints of aliens and whatnot. My mom went ahead and read them and said they weren't as good.

>>8162433
Jesus H. Christ

There is so much wrong with this post.

any good podcasts that deal with sfft stuff?

>>8162466
Ok

>>8162456
>>8162445
>another Wrightfag has joined the fold
Welcome, brother. Why is he so good?
>Architect of Aeons
>Some planet-sized AIs are atheist, the Moon is a Catholic nun, some other advanced intelligences get caught up in esoteric conspiracy theories and run their gazillion cycles doing all kinds of astrology
It's like he's filling a niche that I never knew was empty.

>>8162467
I wish I knew of one. Sword and Laser is full of Rothfuss/Butcher/Sanderson cancer, Geek's Guide to the Galaxy is a bit better but they only really discuss new releases (plus a lot of TV/movie stuff I'm not that fussed about). Podcastle is good, but it's a short-story/novella audiobook series rather than a typical podcast.

Wish there were more in-depth, author-specific ones like HP Podcraft, a regular cast about Wolfe or PKD or someone would be great.

>>8162472
I've read him for the first time a few months ago, I mentioned him from time to time.
He's despite his own assessment, not great literature, but is the perfect entertainment, because good entertainment needs to be smart.
He's the only recent authors I've read who I actually really like.
How are his other books?

>>8162484
If you'll have me I'll participate as the prime dinosaur.

>>8162420
Asimov is for Redditors, he doesn't do characterization, It's literally just cardboard cut-outs talking to strawmen.

Clarke is for /x/, tries hard but ultimately shallow and devoid of original intelligent thought.

Heinlein is for upsetting communists.

Anyone here read The City & the City by Mieville? Any good?

>>8162487
Count to the Eschaton is amazing, but he starts going a little overboard on the classical references as it advances. Orphans of Chaos is full of neat concepts but the characters are just a little lacking, best action in JCW though imo. Haven't read Everness yet, City on the Edge of Time is all right, Iron Chamber of Memory is excellent if you're the kind of person that enjoys proto-fantasy, Somewhither needed a better editor and Awake in the Night Land is top-class.

>>8162504
He's not very good at characterisation all over but has cool ideas so basically, it depends on you liking his style.

>shittalking Heinlein
>dated
>podcasts
>Mieville
>Warhammer
>Malazan

Hi Leddit.

>>8162526
Hi 4chan.

>>8162529
Are audiobooks still all the rage over there?

>>8162517
Are they series or standalone?
I'm more in favor of single novels and it's really not popular in sff for whatever reason.
>>8162526
I like Warhammer since I still paint the minis and the lore is cool.
It's dumb, but fun. I don't see the problem with reading something for entertainment from time to time.
Heinlein is also fucking awful.
His characters are shit.
His ideas are mediocre.
His ideology is retarded.
His prose is bad.

>>8162284
>that movie
right in the childhood

>>8162526
>>8162536

you should be ashamed, both of you

>>8162536
Everness is two books, Iron Chamber is stand-alone, Awake in the Night Land and City on the Edge of Time are short story collections. Count to the Eschaton is four books out of a planned six, but the last two are under contract to Tor and David Hartwell died so who knows.

>>8162536
You talking Heinlein's mature work, juvenilia, or post-SIASL senilia? There are three of him, you know.

>>8162541
Iron Chamber is his latest right?

>>8162545
Starship Troopers.
I have no inclination to ever touch him again after it.

>>8162546
Yeah. His new editor allowed him to let things get out of hand in the last quarter but it was still a good read, great tension, great atmosphere.

>>8162553
Try Citizen of the Galaxy, Double Star, or Door into Summer. Starship Troopers was done in a particular style not 100% reminiscent of the rest of his work.

>>8162553
I don't think you understood the purpose of Starship Troopers.

I'd wager you'd fucking love Stranger in a Strange Land though.

>>8162497
>Asimov is for redditors

Yeah, fuck off

>>8162484

>search geeks guide to the galaxy

>Doom16

>the feminist geek revolution

>interview with a WIRED writer

no thanks

>>8162556
Military propaganda?
>>8162555
The reasoning in Troopers is so incredibly dumb I find it hard to believe he had the mental capacity to write anything good.
>>8162564
/sffg/ podcast when?

>>8162484
Early Writing Excuses where it was just Sanderson, the Schlock Mercenary guy and their nerd friend talking about SFF was pretty great. Now they've got Kowal on there to interrupt their privilege all the time and it just isn't the same.

>>8162567
>Military propaganda
Wait, I thought you said you've read Starship Troopers.

>>8162567
Starship Troopers is a sermon against universal suffrage, pham, the military stuff is just showing a citizen's Roman-style duty.

>>8162564
Shit, has it gone that way? I only ever listened to certain ones, like the Pullman interview and that guy who wrote a book about the Shaver Mystery.

>>8162574
Yes, but the way he reaches it is honestly offensive due to the stupidity of half of it.
He managed to fuck up conclusions I largely agree with, somehow.

>>8162577

you take a look, Im too jaded to even bother

>>8162580
like you could write anything better

>>8162580
It's not Heinlein's reasoning, it's Johnny Rico's. Seriously try one of the three I suggested. Double Star is about this actor that's hired to double for a politician in negotiating with Martians, except it turns out he's deathly phobic of them. Citizen of the Galaxy is this slave kid getting bought by a beggar and learning to be a spy, merchant, soldier, and rich guy. Door into Summer is a zany time travel/cold sleep loli romance. Try one, read it till you're offended again, THEN come complain about Heinlein.

>>8162589

I dont think you understand the poor fellow

he said he was offended, there is no going back if kids say that these days

>>8162580
I'm starting to think you read the book as a young adult and didn't quite understand the concept of "subjective character voice", the book is written from the warped perspective of Rico.

>>8162588
I probably couldn't. Doesn't make his ideologyspeak any good.
>>8162589
It doesn't sound like Rico, it sounds like a self insert, honestly. Rico could have gone on much, much less. It crossed the line from character to author. I wouldn't mind if it normally, but it's 1/3 of the book.
>>8162596
Offended because I it was preaching to morons.
I'm hardly a progressive who would normally be triggered by authoritarian philosophy.
After all, Wolfe is my favorite sff author.

>>8162601
I've read it a month ago, it was something like my 300th book.
I wouldn't agree with the "it was actually Rico view". It felt like a plain, simple self insert.
Subjective character voice is fine, but this wasn't it, because other characters speak in the same way, or it's one of the most secretly meta books I've ever read.

Where do you lads get your books from? Is B&N a meme?

>>8162602
>>8162611
Interestingly you're actually Rico Anon, he didn't listen to the "interchangeable boot camp story" either and skipped to the ending.

>>8162617
Secondhand shops mostly, and a bit of Amazon for the unusual stuff. Retail prices are mental.

>>8162617
Used bookstores, Amazon, and the Forbidden Library of Russian Ecuador.

>>8162617
I haven't bought a sff novel in a while now, so audiobook bay or libgen.

>>8162617
>buying books
>2016

Wew lad

>>8162619
I just wish it was more bugs and space marines and less boot camp preaching.

>>8162630
Watch the cartoon for that, it's actually good. But Starship Troopers is far from quintessential Heinlein. If anything, that's Tunnel in the Sky.
>Youth are faced with adversity and grow into exemplary adults
>Frontier spirit
>Alien environment given in great detail with few words
>qt Zulu babe to start a new society with

>>8162589
+1 for Citizen, one of my favorites.
Tunnel in the Sky is a fun wilderness survival story.
Heinlein's YA was pretty based.

>>8162569
Dude, forget Writing Excuses. Just watch Sanderson's collage lectures. He goes over pretty much the same topics, though much more in-depth than on the podcast since each one is about an hour instead of fifteen minutes.

>>8162667
I've had them ripped for a while, but I've only watched one or two. He's nowhere near as on-topic as he is on the podcast.

books for furries

>>8162484
Look at this rare specimen.
See the hardened exterior which repels any attempt at reasonable dialogue.
Observe the eyes, and their glazed appearance, this comes from looking only to the past, and the past is filled with dim, undefined outlines.

>>8162842
Wrong one friendo

>>8162854
>dragon not eating cat on sight
The fug

>>8162854

but that seems like a book that would unintentionally pander to furries, like pic related

Eragon seems like its directly aimed at that market

>>8162861
It's not a cat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownie_(folklore)

>>8162864
>Eragon seems like its directly aimed at that market
It's been a while but I don't remember getting furry vibes from it. Are you saying that because Saphira is a female or did something happen in one of the other books?

>>8162872
iirc there's an elf who magically alters himself to be covered in fur

>>8162842
>>8162854
>>8162864
I think this cover wins.

>>8163308
Why do baen books have such atrocious covers? Why do they publish so much shit?

>>8163355
Why does anon hate fun?

>>8163308
>Man-Kzin wars
I thought that was a Larry Niven thing?

>>8163355
I found one that is worse.

>>8163377
It is. He wrote up some universe notes and then let a couple authors run wild.

>>8162039
>he hasn't read Bakker's short stories

>>8162337
"Tales of" was honestly some of my favorite reading when I was younger. Really fun collections of short stories. The Mos Eisley and Jabba's Palace ones were the best from what I remember. Definitely worth picking those two up, they actually add a surprising amount of depth to the films (ANH and RotJ respectively) that they take place during.

>>8163308
>>8163388

>>8162337
For got to mention, Darth Plagius has some dry moments, but it's a pretty good quick read. Imo, it's slightly over hyped, so don't go into it with monumental expectations, but it's worth looking at if you're interested in the Sith.

>>8156002
That sounds retardedly fucking awful.

Then again, if you like something as general audience YA tier as Harry Potter I shouldn't expect much.

>>8163467
>you can't like what I don't like

>>8163499
I said nothing of the sort. Just pointing out that you have seriously shit taste :^)

>>8163518
How does it feel knowing that I most likely like some of the same things you do? That I can recommend things you love and in the same breath talk about my crappy LNs?

>>8163523
>How does it feel knowing that I most likely like some of the same things you do?

Nah, you probably don't. I don't read shitty kiddie books, you on the other hand, obviously do and I might add, seem triggered.

>>8163530
Oh, I'm fine. I'm not the angry kind of person that says something's terrible based on a tiny summary. Come on, give me something good. Repair my taste. I've probably already read it, though.

>>8163544
>Spoonfeed me recommendations

Nah, kill yourself.

>>8163564
That's not how it works. You said my taste was bad, now you get to prove it with your superior taste. Come on. We won't make fun of it, promise.

>>8163467
>>8163499
>>8163518
>>8163523
>>8163530
>>8163544
>>8163564
>>8163575
Get a room

>>8163578

>>8162504
I thought the premise for The City & the City was so fascinating that it carried the rest of the book for me. Just a heads up though: he wrote this book for his mom (or at least dedicated it to her) because she loved detective novels. So it is a mystery first, followed by sci-fi/weird.

I don't remember what they're called but any of you Star Wars dudes read those stories about the two kids getting involved with random shenanigans? It had "Fear" in the main title and they were ~spooky~ stories. They were neat from what I remember but that was like twelve years ago.

>>8162842
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/424442.Wild_Animus
https://litreactor.com/columns/what-the-hell-is-wild-animus

Basically it's a puff piece about the author quitting his job, doing drugs and becoming a shaman/furry. The author has apparently given away thousands of copies of it.

>i got this as a freebie at the final Phish concert.

>How the fuck is it even possible that this book has been in every single thrift store I have ever been in the USA and I've been to like 8000 thrift stores in my travels what the fuck is this book a govt coup

>Wild Animus was published by Too Far in 2004. Too Far was author Rich Shapero's self-started publishing company. Around the release of Wild Animus, one news writer claims to have visited the offices of Too Far, which were deserted except for two employees.

>Too Far made big plans to distribute these books all over the place, especially on college campuses. Most of the distribution was done by hiring students on Craigslist. However, there was quite a bit of time and effort put into unorthodox methods of distribution. Personal favorite highlights:

>A group of "wolf women" appeared at several music festivals in Europe and Australia. These costumed promoters would encircle people and hand them the CD preview version of Wild Animus. I couldn't find pictures of the costumes, but they were wired for sound and played wolf howls from somewhere within.

>A March 2005 article alleged that actors were hired to put on fake demonstrations against Wild Animus.

>There was a video project involved with Animus. Allegedly we had videos of college students reading the book aloud, then experiencing the accompanying music for the first time.

>The best promo story of all, a box of Wild Animus books was mistaken for a bomb on Yale's campus. A brave bomb-disarming robot investigated, and it turned out the box was filled with copies of Wild Animus. I'll leave the "bomb" jokes to others.

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Nope. Are they good? Is there some kind of omnibus or collection I can get?