/lit/ - Literature

I claim this thread in the name of the Unholy Consult

>Posting literally the worst of jack Vance's work

What are you doing?

What's going on here isn't this the general?
>>8102868
>>8102868

>>8102907
Two threads made at the same time. This one was posted first in the last thread

sorry, servants of what?

>>8102866
>servants of wank

what was his fucking problem?

So I started reading Malazan

I have no bloody idea what the fuck is going on

>>8102907
Lel dated anon made a thread.
Time for it to die like his beloved dinosaurs.

So I'm about halfway through with The Last Wish by Andrzej Sapkowski and i really enjoy it. I don't read much and haven't really picked up a book in the last year to read for fun because Nursing school, but I decided to pick this one up> I tried to play the Witcher 3 but felt lost, so i tried to play the Witcher 1, and felt even more lost, so I decided to read the books. Anyways, what are other good books about a protagonist that fucks shit up, but in a way Geralt goes about doing it? Or anything sorta similar?

Sanderson and Locke Lamora are both terrible (the latter had potential, but was hamfisted into becoming a trilogy). Why are they on a recommendations list?

>>8102977
Just ride with it for as long as you can. If you have to read some chapter recaps do so.

>>8103050
>Nursing school
GRIL?

>>8103087
why does everyone assume I'm always a gril

>>8103061
Because most sff is garbage that makes Sanderson look good.

>>8103100
Peepee doesn't matter, ur a grill.

>>8103061
I Don't remember having so much fun before reading Sanderson

>>8102920
HP Lovecraft: sheltered white boy gets scared by hillbillies and blacks.

>>8102881
What's wrong with Planet of Adventure?

>>8103061
>the latter had potential, but was hamfisted into becoming a trilogy

But he's always planned for it to be a longer series.

>>8102920
He thought the universe had actual opinions.

I'm reading a through The 1001/Arabian Nights right now and I'm wondering, is all the blatant anti-black sentiment in the original compilation, or is it the product of localization by 19th-century white dudes

>>8103457
>19th-century white dudes find blacks distasteful
>Medieval Arabians take blacks as slaves and castrate them
You tell me, anon.

>>8103478
hey, I don't know arabian history. They don't teach that stuff in american schools

>>8103457

you are funny, i know you are likely not serious, but still

>Ecли нeгp бyдeт пoймaн, eгo yвeдyт
>Ha нeвoльничий pынoк Хoдeйды в цeпях

if a negro is caught, he will be drawn
to hodeidah's slave market, bound in chains

that's from a gumilev's poem about red sea in guess what, 20th fucking century

arabs were complete slavers for hundreds years

>>8103512
I honestly didn't know. I mean, I knew they had slavery but I wasn't sure if it was racial slavery or if they just grabbed whoever and put them to work

>>8103512

Does anybody have a link to that podcast where a woman explains the plot of Tyra Banks' Modeland to her husband?

The main thing I remember is that there's a albino that wants to eat a girl's liver.

>>8103538
Wait, what the christ?
>http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9535351-modelland

>A baby gets born in a toilet full of vomit, from a model-thin girl who didn't even know she was pregnant. And really, she wasn't even in pain. It took two seconds for her to poop it out. What.

>There are brutal disturbing deaths involving torn off body parts.

>Half of the time Tyra is being incredibly dark and edgy with dirty language, and half of the time is completely immature and childish and colorful. She can't decide which audience she's writing to. It's a new genre! Clearly.

>And soooo much sexual-but-not-meant-to-be-sexual writing!!! "She then heard Bravo squirt some cream into his own mouth." I...see...

>"Chaste was also standing still. Slowly, the needle bore down on her head, it's tip piercing her skull and continuing all the way through her body to the ground. When the needle retracted, Chaste was...gone"

Is Malazan a history record or something?
Dry as shit

>>8103457
I know this may actually come as a surprise to the average white person but first of all, nobody really likes black people and second, the Arabs were the most prolific slavers AT LEAST since the fall of the Roman Empire if not in all of human history.

>>8103520
their slaves weren't only blacks, but they were mostly blacks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade#Arab_views_on_African_people

also generally when one nation exploits another or hates another some kind of racial or national prejudice appears inevitably

>>8103520
"Racial Slavery" is a term made up long after the fact to exactly encompass Negro slavery in North America and nothing else so I can save you the trouble and tell you that no, it wasn't "racial slavery". As to whether it was bad you're going to have to make up your own mind based on personal study because your education system didn't provide you with a good answer.

>>8103567
http://jezebel.com/5830085/read-the-first-chapter-of-tyra-banks-modelland
>Riiiip. A girl stepped on the train of a walker a few feet from Tookie and tore the fabric right off the dress. Both girls fell forward into a heap. The walkers behind them stepped over their bodies and continued.

>Crash. The De La Crème white and cream blow-up tent went down as two brawling girls entered it. Oof. A girl who looked as if she had never walked in heels before stumbled, breaking the tips of both stilettos. Two girls got into a fight at the end of their makeshift catwalk, rolling to the ground. "Kenya, use the Gyaku Zuki move!" her mother screamed. "Reverse-punch the hairy hag! But watch your hair, sweetie!"

>Tookie wheeled around. The hairy hag was Abigail Goode, sideburns in full glory, faint mustache above her upper lip, unshaven leg hair coating her calves, underarm hair swaying in the wind, and a DOWN WITH RAZORS! picket sign still in her hands. The girl she was fighting with tried out a karate move on her, but Abigail expertly evaded her blow.

>Tookie's jealousy meter skyrocketed. Even Abigail was competing? She looked around some more. Actually, not only were eligible girls walking, but lots of other people were too. An elderly man on a power scooter shot a gap- toothed smile to the crowd as he steered his vehicle with his hands on his hips. Two down- on-their-luck women dressed in trash-bag dresses and beat-up sweat suits walked while pushing everything they owned in shopping carts, heckling every girl who passed. "Honey, you wish you had it like I do."

has anyone read Shades of Grey by Jasper Fforde? Really fantastic desu

>mfw the ending ;_;

>>8103061
You're correct, they're both bad, but there aren't many good fantasy books, so if you want to have a chart with a decent number of books you've got to put some crap on there too.

>>8103567
>>8103637
I guess she's the new Pynchon

>>8103538
Here you go. It's certainly something.
http://satellitedish.libsyn.com/a-satellite-dish-special-modeland
http://satellitedish.libsyn.com/a-satellite-dish-special-modeland-part-2
http://satellitedish.libsyn.com/a-satellite-dish-special-modelland-part-3

And the thing is, she probably actually wrote this, because you figure if some ghost writer turned in a book like that, they'd probably get fired because they're supposed to write a self-aggrandizing puff piece not make the person look like they're batshit insane.

>>8103050
>I tried to play the Witcher 3 but felt lost, so i tried to play the Witcher 1, and felt even more lost,
My advice is to find a summary of what you need to know going into TW3, play it, and if you like it go back and play the other games.

>>8103644
No but I read the first three Thursday Next books - first one was brilliant, but it felt like he used all the ideas on it and the sequels gave me no will to carry on. Think I'll probably get SoG soon, though, I've seen people speak highly of it here before (unless that was all you, of course...)

who /worm/ here? I've never loved something i know is trash so much. I read all of it in like a week. anyone else still chasing that feeling of being completely absorbed in a story?

I found part one fascinating, with the concept of psychohistory and the gaal going to trantor
but part two seems pretty boring so far
is it worth continuing?

>>8103778
no it wasnt, i got the recommendation off reddit ;^)

but seriously, its really good

>>8102977
You will, soon. The first back is really terrible as a first book. And starting with the second the books will start to being really good and making sense.

If you have specific questions just ask.

>>8103579
The first book has its issues and the series greatly improves with the second one.

That said, wars play a major role throughout the series which means that the books sometimes feel like a record of history. But everything will be told through the eyes of different people.

I suggest sticking around with the first book and atleast reading the second.
Because that is the part where the series gets really good.

Good news, Laird Barron will finally be published by a big publisher instead of a small press!

Bad news, their regular neo-noir/hardboiled fiction instead of his interesting mix of hardboiled/Lovecraftian fiction.

https://lairdbarron.wordpress.com/2016/05/13/coleridge-series-to-putnam/

Hopefully he finds success and goes on to re-publish his horror works, they definitely need a bigger audience.

Just started The Blue World by Vance. It's pretty fucking great so far. Also reading the first Cordrum by Moorcock. I'm finally getting back into pulp, especially sword and sorcery, after reading more /lit/ish books for a long time. Feels good. I needed those feels after finishing Dark Souls 3.

Also my favorite pulp is probably the first Viriconium novel, The Pastel City, by M John Harrison. Shit is so cash, and the fact that each novel in the series riffs on the same motifs in increasingly abstract ways getting more and more literary is just icing on the cake.

>>8103411
nothing. i think the four books would make a kick-ass series of films - it's just OP can't stop giggling like a schoolgirl at the name "Wankh"

>>8104049
so why say it's vance's worst work

>>8104049
>>8104058
There's at least one Vance reader here who genuinely thought the Tschai novels were shit. Dunno his reasoning. I think they're great fun.

>>8104032
Been meaning to try him for a while, what's a good entry-level book?

>>8103579
I never wanted to fuck a dead chick more than the one in the Malazan books.... to feel that cunny of hers

>>8104103
His first collection, The Imago Sequence. Just read them in order of how they've been released.

Any good fantasy books with a woman as protagonist?
Preferably a young woman

>>8104040
Are your tiny arms aching after typing all that, trex-sama?

Anybody here tried reading the arabian nights?
I got through a couple of chapters but it seemed to only be about cuckolding.
Does it get better?
>>8104143
skulduggery pleasant...

>>8104143
Angel's Egg

Wish we had gone with the dinosaur squad thread

>>8103801
Yes it gets much better.
I also found part one the best, the second part really picks up when it comes to the Mule

Keep at, don't make the mistake I did and stop reading only to then go back and reread it months later and curse my laziness.

>>8104238
I'm proud to be called a dino if it means Peake and Wolfe desu.

>>8104255
literally this

>>8104255

same

>>8104058
i didn't. shit-head up there did. i like Vance's insectoid aliens. dem chitinous faces.

>>8104066
there's one in every thread. they shit on stuff because it's safer than trying to defend their own preferences, which they are always careful to conceal.

>>8104278
No no, he had read a lot of Vance, and he liked a lot too. Just not Tschai.

Fun fact: they changed "Wankh" to "Wannek" when Vance was told of the implications of the word.

>>8104145
>>8104149
I've watched Angel's egg.
But really want something with a young girl as MC

>>8104457
omg

read alice in wonderland and through the looking glass already

>>8104461
He got around 10 recommendations. Report him on sight.

>>8104461
Who the fuck are you? Get out retard.

>>8104467
>one poster asks something
>therefore everyone who asks the same is that one guy

>>8104470
>one poster asks for the same thing over and over again for a month and it's somehow not one person

Any books like Spirited Away (the movie)?

>>8104476
Spirited away (the book)

>>8103441
Actually, it was the complete opposite.

>>8103457
>There are libruls who unironically say things like this
What a time to be alive.

>>8104238
What is the dino maymay about anyway?

>>8104493
norway is a crazy country

>>8104493
There is such a thing as conservative PC speech.

>>8104524
Indeed. It's reatraint from blasphemy and vile talk of one's own country.

>>8104493
Who's the Mr Toad looking motherfucker?

Lasd I asked this in the other thread, but I only got two replies (Necromancer and Yahtzee's books). Can you recommend me some good Sci-Fi/Fantasy comedy?

>>8104556
Read Bridge of Birds.

>>8104549
The one guy who has tried to uncuck Britannia. Nigel Farage.

i'm in the mood for some fantasy.
mistborn or path of kings? or something else entirely?

>>8104610
How can we know what you want? There's books in the OP.

>>8104612
i know, i had a look at it. both books sound interesting and i'm looking for personal opinions.

>>8104610
try this

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3428935-the-warded-man?from_search=true&search_version=service

>>8104616
Mistborn is bad.

>>8104619
Every sentence Sanderson has produced is bad, but that's clearly not a problem with his audience.
>>8104610
Depends, do you want braindead autistic world building, fun adventure pulp or literary fantasy?

>>8104629
There's a pretty large difference in quality between Mistborn and Stormlight Archive.

>>8104619

not him, but could you elaborate on what makes it bad?

I never read any Sanderson and I'm on the fence.

>>8104632
see
>>8104631

Mistborn is pretty YA tier. He worked a lot longer on Stormlight and it shows. If you want to read Sanderson read that.

>>8104633

I see. I thought the premise of Mistborn was very interesting though.

>what if "the dark lord" actually won? What if the heros of prophecy actually failed?

>>8104635
>what if the others failed
>Well a mary sue would just rise up lol lmao

>>8104631
There's a difference in quality between Black Veil Brides and Linkin Park too, but it doesn't make Linkin Park a quality band.
>>8104632
He has terrible prose and really shallow and annoying characterisation.
It's been said before, but the likes of Sanderson are comparable to Warhammer 40k because it makes for a fine Wikipedia read, but a crappy novel.
Again, what are you interested in reading? Pure autism world building? Adventure? Atmosphere? Literature? Fantasy has been around for almost a century and a half, it's a very diverse field.

>>8104640

>Again, what are you interested in reading?
>not him
>again
>"not him"

Anon...

>>8104640
original guy, i'd say mostly atmosphere and perhaps a bit adventure? just not run of the mill hero saves the day fantasy plot.

>>8104648
Land of Unreason.

>tfw about to give up on Wheel of Time

I made it to the end of Book 4.

D-did I do good? I am a bit autistic but not enough to continue to subject myself to this.

>>8104648
Elric of Melnibourne and Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser.
The second one is superior, but Elric is a faster, more simple read.
Amber Chronicle by Roger Zelanzy more or less a fun, finished, shorter, more focused and imaginary Game of Thrones.
And honestly, hero saves the day is hardly common in fantasy. For some God retarded reason everyone wanted to react against Tolkien who was actually something relatively original and few now known authors of quality are derivative of him.
For supreme atmosphere, Gormenghast, or rather Titus Groan is the name of the first title and Book of the New Sun. Both are very modernist and New Sun is subverting a lot of postmodern ideals, so keep that in mind. The fun factor with the two may vary.

>>8104652
You should have given up sooner.

>>8104656
thanks man, i'll have a look at these

>>8104656
Steerpike did nothing wrong.

>>8104663
Make Gormenghast great again

>>8104657

That's why i added the "autistic" bit. I didn't want to admit to myself I made a mistake.

>>8104640
I think of Sanderson and his peers as dollhouse fiction or maybe more appropriately action figure fiction. The author is just waggling the characters about to tell a story without properly taking language into account.

>>8104682
>The author is just waggling the characters about to tell a story

So he is the Stephen King of fantasy? Gotcha.

>>8104469
Fuck off and read The Wonderful Wizard of Oz already.

>>8104461
tripfag stop it

>>8104610
I'm reading the mistborn series right now. I'm devouring the books.

Just started with Iron Dragon's Daughter.
It's pretty good and interesting so far.

>>8104718
Not sure if this is the shill that posts it in every thread or if someone got baited into reading it.

>>8104726
How so?

>>8103970
I actually enjoyed the first book after getting throug half of it to get a bigger picture of the story. Now im on the second book, around ch 4 but im not enjoying some of the new characters introduced, especially mappo and icarium or whatever. Pretty slow so far, hope it picks up.

I wanna read more cpt paran adventures and hopes he gets some sick ass power ups with everything hes gained in the first book.

Oh and his slooty sister is pretty hot

>>8104726
First time I have seen it. Fuck off balk to /v/ and /tv/ constantly accusing everyone of being a troll.

>>8104770
Welcome on your first day here newfag.

Any novellas about little girls being complete prudes and staying virgins until they are big girls

>>8103970

It's 10 books long, is it just a retelling of the centuries of events of an empire?

>>8104766
Same guy here

I havent read a lot of fantasy novels, but malazan reminds me of asofai in that it switches to different characters to tell their storys and sometimes they converge. So far i think asofai does a lot more in flushing out each character and giving them life.

Ive also read new sun up to about half of the second book then lost interest and first book of fafnir and gray mouser and it feels like they dont do as well of a job getting you attached to the characters. Is it just me or is there some truth to this?

>>8104780
What do u mean? The story is set in the present at a time when revolution is about to happen

>>8104556
Not just the necromancer, Jonathan Cabal th necromancer. There are more than one necromancer books.

>>8104584
>Polls show brits in favor of staying
>http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2vbulh starts playing

>>8104794

From what I've glanced, this looks to be like a retelling of events in the present tense, by a writer that lived a century after, since it has a million characters, and reads like a history book

>>8104771
Not my first day but /v/ and /tv especially are full of idiots like him screaming shill at everything.
I know it happens on /lit/ as well but not as much as on other boards.

>>8104656

>>8104804
There was someone literally shilling those iron daughter books. He shilled it to me, will read it to see if I will add it to my rec list(chart anon here) or tell people that it's shit..

>>8104817
Sure there was, kid.

>>8104831
Hello shill.

>genuinely like a book
>none of my friends has read it
>try recommending it to people online that share my interestes
>maybe they will like it too
>I hope they do like it
>SHILL SHILL SHILL SHILL SHILL

>>8104792
What you are talking about is multiple POVs, and no you are not the only person.

I liked New Sun but hated Fag Mouser, I don't know if it's because it didn't age well but it read like shit, and got on my last nerve just wanted to complete it.

Same shit with Dying Earth, with all the advances in magical writing reading about words of power and items of power just felt cliche and pissed me the wrong way. Just wanted it to end.

>>8104836
ebic

>>8104849
There's recommending and then there's forcing it in every thread.

>>8104853

I only recommend when asked, it's not like I shitpost constantly like the "lmao you like OLD books!" guy.

>>8104773
Black Jewels Trilogy

>>8104831
Look in the previous sffg you newfag cunt.
I asked if it was GRI approved, and he said to some degree yes.
>kid

>>8104849
Go ahead then. Non science fiction please.

>>8104849
Take pride in your shill. Do you think any of the now staple sff books would have been read without it?

>>8104849
Being a shill is a good thing in sffg, you get people to read things that they might not have.

>>8104855
>I only recommend when asked, it's not like I shitpost constantly
Yet, it's in every sffg thread.

>>8104862
>I asked if it was GRI approved
>he said to some degree yes
How is that akin to "literally shilling"?
Don't bother replying because if you don't intend on apologizing, I won't read it.

>>8104868

>Non science fiction

Is this not a science fiction and fantasy general?

>>8104870

I refuse to call it "shilling" because it implies I'm in bad faith when in truth I just like the books I recommend.

>>8104871

>Yet, it's in every sffg thread.

Because someone asks in every thread.

>>8104872
>Don't bother replying because if you don't intend on apologizing, I won't read it.

>Is this not a science fiction and fantasy general?

You do realize some people only like fantasy right?

>>8104879

The fact is that the line can be very blurry, especially in writers like Swanwick, Powers, Wolfe and Van Der Meer.

>>8104879
Morons, maybe. It's such a close genre where both serve the same thing, better exploration of themes, an exercise in imagination and so on.

>>8104872
He was shilling it, explaining what the book was about in a favorable way (sales pitch) and me being the sick fuck that I am asked if there was GRI (the deal closer), he said to some degree yes.

I was sold, will read later.

/r/equesting non-space soft Science Fiction chart

>>8104876
>that expression again
I wonder if a good fuck would take that look off your face

>>8104881
Take your autism to another board please.

>>8104882
Look up the definition of shilling, because what you said is clearly different.

Unless your personal definition of shilling is literally just talking about a book in favourable way

>>8104887
This is the board for autism, that's why we have Catholicism and philosophy.

>>8104883
MAKE IT YOURSELF

>>8103801
Yes it's worth reading all of ten except the two prequels. Foundation and empire is actually my favorite, couldn't put it down.

>>8104893
why would I be requesting it if I knew of books like that

I want recs

>>8104898
Oh wait you meant part 2 of the the first book. Yeah there are some dry parts but don't give up

>>8104880
I hate modern fantasy and science fiction settings.

>>8104889
>Unless your personal definition of shilling is literally just talking about a book in favourable way
Yes, exactly, but it's not personal, it's a general wide belief. If you were here long enough you would see people say "shill it to me".

It's just another sffg meme, like gri, dinosaur /fossil fuels /dino-squad, botns, berserk, little girl, charts, Sanderson = anime, Rothfuss = shit, etc etc

>>8103784
What book is worm? Also looking for something to just completely get sabsorbed in and marathon

>>8104912

>>8104914
And I loathe it when people misuse a word.
Just like using "literally" when they mean "figuratively"

>>8104929

>>8104945
i always wondered why this kid said this while playing chess

has anyone read mushoku tensei light novels? Is there any books kinda like that? Not the whole reincarnation theme but the japanese leveling up skills and powers stuff. Kinda tired of these western novels where the characters are just theives or assasins and just hack and slash.

>>8104953
Why don't you read other LNs if that's what you want?

>>8104959
Already read like all the good ones, thats why im branching out to english novels. But im noticing a lot of these novels dont focus on characters in specific but instead on some overarching plot. Kinda miss the closeness you get with the characters.

>>8104953
Have you read wuxia or chinese LN yet?
Here's a good one:
http://www.wuxiaworld.com/issth-index/

>>8104799
"Brits". As in dindus with citizenship.

>>8104966
There isn't anything like it here. Start learning Japanese, or broaden your horizons.

>>8104970
Ooh iunno man, i read a bit of that. Kinda felt dumb. Didnt really enjoy it. Got to the part after he does his selling potions thing and gets his shit kicked out of him but since i never felt hooked by the story i just dropped it

>Be me years ago
>Be 11
>Get my parents to buy me a fantasy book
>"Orcs omnibus" by Stan Nicholls
>Woman-on-man rape scene in the first three chapters
>Develop dominant female fetish
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec0XKhAHR5I starts playing

>>8104980
It's kinda meh until the end of book one and then shit gets crazy

>Kingkiller Chronicle book 3 never

>>8104780
>>8104780
Not at all.
The story is for the most part focused on a small timespan (a couple of years) and occasional glimpses into the past.
What exactly the story is about will be clear during the third book.
In fact the Malazan empire plays less of a role then you would imagine.

>>8104990
Does cpt paran become new emperor

>>8103457
kekked kabir

>>8104978
I was hooked on asofai, but fafnir, malazan, and new sun i read the first books and little of the second but didint find them as captivating. It feels like it doesnt have as much heart as asofai if that makes sense. Martin just set the world so well and made you hooked on the characters and here was always some interestig events going on

>>8105003
>grammar
>thinks that ASOIAF is better than Malazan

>>8105008

New Sun >>>> Fafnir > ASOIAF > Malazan

t b h

What fantasy universes have the richest lore/best worldbuilding?

>>8104806
Pretty much all post Tolkien fantasy works have been trash and since the libshits won the cultural war the genre has become a ghetto.

>>8105003
>heart
>if that makes sense
It doesn't.

>>8105019
Wikipedia

>>8105019
LotR.

>>8104766
The first book just does a bad job of introducing you to the world.
I re-read it recently and it was better then I remembered.
There also is alot of foreshadowing going on.
The first poem (call to shadow) gives a hint about a major plot point.

>I wanna read more cpt paran adventures and hopes he gets some sick ass power ups with everything hes gained in the first book.
That will happen in the third book.

>>8104995
not quite

>>8105017
triggered

>>8105019
Malazan with out doubt.

>>8105003
>if that makes sense.
It doesn't. Sounds to me like brainless 異世界 fiction made you addicted to instant gratification and now anything actually profound and thought provoking can't hold your attention.

>>8105019

Wheel Of Time, bar none.

Plot is padded to oblivion and characters and pacing are fucked beyond belief, but the world building is nothing short of God-tier (aside from some cringy names.)

>>8104941
Go play with your pet peeve in tne corner, you're glooming up the thread.

>>8104945
You know you're being a hypocritical cunt with that pic right?

>>8105019
I unironically believe Warhammer Fantasy is a nice setting with pretty deep lore.

>>8105035
Nope.

>tfw want to have dwarves in my future setting
>but normies seem to hate dwarves because "fantasy cliche lol XD"
>want to balance artistic integrity with popularity for my future books

They're more alien than your average textbook dwarves in the sense that they scientifically evolved from a different type of ape and this reflects in their physiology and psychology, and have different cultures just like humans. Should I just switch them with a race similar in execution or keep them?

>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Nty5qnKYWQqNA3QcU9gYIzud9rWsdZ4SNPTFusBf6ME/edit#gid=0
>List of what fantasy books reddit thinks are best
>It's exactly what you'd expect it to be

>>8105109
that one's outdated

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/4f1jfj/the_2016_top_rfantasy_novels_poll_results/

>>8105115
The one I linked lists the amount of votes each book every year, including 2016. I say it's more comprehensive of their autism.

>>8105109
>Female Author
As a warning?

>>8105115
>that one's outdated
its not

>>8105121
>>Female Author
>As a warning?

For what other purpose?

>>8105126
>reddit

I don't know, judging a book by the author's character instead of it's content?

I remember having a debate with some tumblrina on the r/worldbuilding sub (I no longer browse it, it's full of proggies and shit taste) that there's not point in not enjoying media just because the creator is homophobic. She pulled a "I'm right but no longer continuing the debate because ur dum XD".

>>8105115
>Eragon above warded man
WHAT
THE
FUCK

>>8105028
I think you may be right

>>8105027
In book 2 ive stopped reading thhe poems cause i could rarely find relevance to the chapters it preluded. Its 3deep

>>8105115

>Wolfe, Peake, LeGuin in the shit tiers
>anything above Eragon
>Rothfuss that fucking high

>>8105186

anything BELOW Eragon, sorry.

>>8105115
>1 - A Song of Ice And Fire - George R.R. Martin - 155
Pleb-tier trash

>2 - Middle-Earth Universe (LoTR etc.) - J.R.R. Tolkien - 144
A classic, but overpraised

>3 - The Kingkiller Chronicle - Patrick Rothfuss - 140
Utter garbage. Cringefest.

>4 - Harry Potter - J.K. Rowling - 123
Not even as children's literature

>5 - The Stormlight Archive - Brandon Sanderson - 116
>6 - Mistborn - Brandon Sanderson - 99
Pleb-tier trash

>7 - Discworld - Terry Pratchett - 93
Not serious litereature, but contains some humorous social commentary

>8 - Realms of the Elderlings - Robin Hobb - 87
>8 - Gentleman Bastard - Scott Lynch - 87
>10 - The Malazan Book of The Fallen - Steven Erikson - 84
>11 - The Wheel of Time - Robert Jordan - 82
>12 - First Law World - Joe Abercrombie - 79
>13 - The Dresden Files - Jim Butcher - 68
Pleb-tier trash

>14 - Worm - wildbow - 62
Never heard of it.

>15 - The Broken Empire - Mark Lawrence - 56
Pleb-tier trash

>16 - His Dark Materials - Philip Pullman - 39
Decent as children's literature

>17 - The Chronicles of The Black Company - Glen Cook - 37
Pleb-tier trash

>17 - The Lions of Al-Rassan/The Sarantine Mosaic - Guy Gavriel Kay - 37
The first actually good fantasy books on the list. Better stop here.

>>8105186
>LeGuin in the shit tier
But this is objectively correct, anon.

>>8105202

If you agree with Reddit's assessment why don't you go back there

>>8105199
Who are you trying to impress?

>>8105199

>>8105208
Women are shit authors.

>>8105225

Sure thing, buddy. Soldier on.

>>8105208
I don't agree with them much but in this case they are correct.

>>8105251

>>8105215
>>8105222
You seem ruffled, for one.

>>8105264
I'm not sure if Trump has read Ursula Le'Reddit, but if he has I'm sure he agrees with me. She's a trash author whose books belong in the trash.

>>8105286

>Ursula Le'Reddit

Funny because according to the charts from Reddit, they don't seem to like her. And neither do you.

Which suggests you belong on Reddit.

>>8105319
That's quite the bold statement.

What is it with all the dickhead shitposters in these threads lately?

>>8104556
Bill the Galactic Hero.

Any post-renaissance, pre-industrial fantasy settings out there?

I know about Discworld, but I want to know what other stuff you anons know.

>>8105541
Mistborn

>>8105541
Would Stephenson's Baroque Cycle count?

>>8105541
Posted that pic just because I want people to use my new meme.

Here's a better one desu.

>>8105548
It looks like regular medieval fantasy from what I've seen. What makes it stand out?

>>8105575
>Historical fiction

Throw that shit right out of the window lad.

>>8105583
>It looks like regular medieval fantasy from what I've seen. What makes it stand out?

I'm not (and no on can for that matter) suggesting that Mistborn is set between that time line. However, the architecture and technology are somewhat post Gothic.

>What makes it stand out?
It's a fun series. I'm reading them like a madman now. Read the prologue, only you can figure out if you like it or not.

>>8105354
If the shitposting seems more frequent than is usual, it's because of summer. Skoolz out my nigga.

>>8105583
Anybody interested in more 1800s soldier pics?

>>8105615

I still have 1 exam this week and 2 the next week :(

So, a lot of /pol/tards often complain that science fiction and fantasy is too progressive but I don't think so. Is there a /sffg/ novel with a trap protagonist? It doesn't have to be good but I'd prefer something above YA tier.

>Setting is a fictional planet that is not related to Earth in any way, shape of form
>There are humans on it, along with other sapient species
>Magic is also present in this setting, but goes unused for the better part of history
>Civilization progresses through the ages, rarely influenced by magic as mentioned above. Storytelling focuses mostly on the post-gunpowder era

Does this still classify as fantasy?

>>8105647
Yes but I'd be more interested in seeing where a decent writer could take a civilization where magic was abundant and there was no need for inferior non-magic inventions

>>8105663
Check out Eberron :^)

>>8105647
Who cares just write it

Leave classification to the publisher

>>8105541
What centuries is that time period again?

>>8105718
1600-1800

How many stories do you know where a character remarks about how something happening at the moment happened before already? Like Pippin in LotR talking about the eagles before falling unconscious.

Of course, i'm talking about anything other than the obvious "ancient evil awakens". I just kinda like this kind of meta shit.

>>8104928
its a web series, heres the first chapter https://parahumans.wordpress.com/2011/06/11/1-1/

>>8104143
the mistress of the empire series

I didn't see a critique thread up, and since it's not a piece of prose but an idea I'm hemming and hawing over, mind if I ask for opinions here instead?

>>8105644
>Is there a /sffg/ novel with a trap protagonist?
Are you looking for GRI Approved Works?

>>8105647
Kinda sounds like Powder Mage desu

>>8105948
Go ahead, honestly I think these threads should be more accommodating to local /sff/ writers , no reason we cant discuss other works and critique at the same time

>>8105948
Once its SFF related you can post it.

>>8105981
>>8105984
Neat thanks. I asked one or two other things about the story, but this question's a bit more drawn out. Trying to write a story set in the faerie world. The main character is going to be a fetch. (a fetch is a doppleganger created from a bit of shadow and a twig when a faerie steals a child, for those that don't know) Several people close to her died when they started drifting away from her, but I'm having trouble deciding if I should make her the murderer or not.

Narratively, I'm thinking it would make more sense for her to be the murderer. It would give the story more of a 'everyone's the hero of their own story' feel, but I'm a bit nervous that if she's just straight up a villain then that message actually loses its appeal, especially since if she's the murderer, it would be for very petty reasons, reflecting her fay nature. As an example, she's infertile, as a fetch, which caused a rift in her marriage and after a fight, she'd end up killing her husband. But she either wouldn't accept that she had done it, or she'd think so little of the action that it never even occurs to her to feel guilty or admit to it, if she is even capable of feeling guilt. And it would make the story more interesting during re-reads, painting certain interactions in a much more sinister light. But I'm nervous that this would make her too much of a villain and people wouldn't care what happened to her. Especially if she gets off scott free at the end, I think that would piss a lot of potential readers off. But it's important that she has a happy-ish ending to drive home the point of everyone being the hero of their own life.

Thematically, I'm thinking the opposite. I'm writing her as a human with borderline personality disorder, so it would be very easy to manipulate her into doing things. She'd forever be unsure if the faerie that created her was causing her to do everything, or if she'd be in control of herself. I feel like this trivializes things a bit and makes their deaths more as accessories than as actual important pieces of her character. I'm also nervous of making it too obvious of a red herring, which makes people lose interest if they think they've 'figured it out.' This way would help drive home the ephemeral, whimsical, pointless nature of faeries in regards to mortals and be more of a metaphor for a force of nature or trying to find a reason in reasonless accidents depending on how I handle it.

>>8105724
Or in other words, the Age of Enlightenment period.

The Powder Mage trilogy starts with the country's nobility being put the guillotine after a revolution, the eponymous powder mages are people who get high on gunpowder and can do stuff like seeing further, guiding bullets, blowing up powder horns, etc.

The Temeraire/His Majesty's Dragon series is basically a Hornblower series but with dragons. Main character is a Royal Navy officer during the Napoleonic wars, his ship captures a French ship carrying a dragon egg that hatches.

The Shadow Campaigns series starts out with a sort of not-Napoleon character going to not-North Africa to steal some magical tablets from not-Arabs after a uprising throws out the loyal government. I haven't read past the intro to the first book but it seems to be angling towards more political intrigue to set up for the country to be invaded by the Holy Roman Empire.

Does Simenon count?

How are Vance's Dying World books?

>>8106096
Pretty bad imo. Prose is good but "plot", if you can call it that, is incoherent. Pick something else from his library or another book.

>>8106100
Incoherency is no issue to me. Fellini Satyricon is one of my favourite films.

Are there any other ways in which they're bad?

>>8106112
Well besides being incoherent it was just not engaging. Try it yourself and see.

>>8106034
It sounds like you have lots of material but need to better arrange it to your ultimate theme, that being "everyone's the hero of their own story". So ask yourself "of all my material, which helps best prove that theme, and what dosent?" Make the necessary arrangements that helps the idea, think up new ones.

The confusion between the MC and her idea of where her actions come from is a good seed for proving the theme I think, but also I think the deeper you get into your characters the better you'll be able to figure out just exactly what they're capable of doing and how they portray them.

>>8105972
I wouldn't mind GRI but the main thing I wondered was if there was anything with a crossdressing protagonist. Even looking at the most progressive books they mostly seem to be giving lip service to that kind of thing with pronouns or being progressive by stating that the asians or some african race is the master race but I've not found anything with just a boy dressing as a girl or anything simple like that.

>>8106121
>I think the deeper you get into your characters the better you'll be able to figure out just exactly what they're capable of doing and how they portray them.
I was almost thinking to put off the decision until it got to the point where I had to decide, but I thought that might be a bit too close to making shit up as I went along for my comfort. But you're right. Just fleshing out the character a bit more should help a great deal.

>>8106048
>The Shadow Campaigns series starts out with a sort of not-Napoleon character going to not-North Africa to steal some magical tablets from not-Arabs after a uprising throws out the loyal government.
It starts out with a tarp who is afraid of being found out and raped.

>>8106169
>that pic
Got me questioning my sexuality desu
Please re ensure me that I am straight

>>8106293
Looks like a female to me, so you should be good. even if he's got a dick

>>8104817
When are you done reading it? I'm also eyeing it.

Post your stats guys.

How far are you?

>>8106282
is that a typo? You meant to say trap instead of tarp? Is it a tarpaulin?

>>8106522
I don't know where that progress page is

>>8106533
Yeah, it's literally about a tarpaulin who gets assraped. The story was inspired by the work of Chuck Tingle.

>>8106522
>>8106537
Ah found it. Started reading last year December by the way.

Though keep in mind that reading isn't my sole (or even main) hobby and I do not list light novels and visual novels under goodreads.

Should I just try writing my book?

I've got tons of ideas, and I've written a few short stories so I like to think I'm not incompetent.

>>8106584
>not incompetent

this is what incompetence looks liek

>>8106522
52 books so far. Slowed down because exams in 3 weeks.

>>8106549
>mfw

>>8106584
Just write it down and once that first draft is done revise it, simple as that.

>tfw you love to talk about your fantasy series but also have serious ambitions of getting it published

I want to heed the call to talk more about our own work here, but I'm worried about some agent or editor stumbling onto this place and seeing a description of my story.

>>8106714
It works better in closer circles, like a skype or discord chat where everyone can chill and shoot the shit.

>>8106714
There are plenty of ideas out there, the real work is actually making something out of them. By themselves ideas are pretty much worthless.

>>8106293
You are 100% straight, anon. Nothing gay about a girl with a dick.

What went wrong?

>>8106767
He had good enough characters but didnt even want to do anything with them.

>>8106773
I think that Jezal dan Luthar at least changed much, and realistically. Otherwise I guess you're right, but they did fit well together storywise.

>>8106786
Yea their chemistry was on point but the entire story was just

>now theyre here
>no theyre there
>somethings happening here
>and its done

Hardly any real development from them, just...things happening, according to a forced plot more than anything naturally evolving from the characters.

>>8106533
It's actually a lesbian character who (IIRC) killed her lover at a boarding school as part of a failed suicide pact, escaped and has lived as a man for several years in the army.

>>8106533
trap = guy passing as female
tarp = girl passing as male

>>8106821
>girl passing as male
Those are called feminists and dykes, a tarp is a waterproof cover thingy.

>>8106797
I see what you mean, but I really didn't mind all that much. The plot was coherent and effects followed causes. Bayaz is the driving force for a lot of the action and plot, true, but his intentions are known at the end, and his plan really goes as planned. The others are going with the flow for various reasons, but at least those reasons are explained. Of course it could have been better, but I enjoyed it. Can you recommend maybe something similar that has more character development?

>>8106048
Autistic Napoleon is the best Shadow campaigns character

>>8106848
grow a beard

>>8106875
Prince of Nothing

>>8106882
Why?

>>8106885
Yeah, that's been on my "To Get" list for the past week or two. Thanks.

>>8106821
i believe it's called reverse trap

>>8106756
Fucking hentai and doujinnhas ruined me.
I now have a fetish for tomgirls.

>>8106821
>>8106848
>>8106966
Its interchangeable. Whats the difference between a male disguised as a female and a female that is actually a male? U get the picture. People purposely misspell trap as tarp on 4chan, get with the times!

>>8107153
From more than 10 years ago...

"Tarp": A female with a penis. She lures you in for sex, but little does the unsuspecting guy know her package is bigger :p

commonly found at www.4chan.org as a purposeful misspelling of "Trap"

(girl undresses)
(Guy)"OMG!! IT'S A TARP!!"
(guy cuts himself)

#penis #trap #tranny #omg #wtf

by DanaF April 24, 2006

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Tarp

>>8106966
>>8106848
>so new that they weren't on /b/ 9 years ago

>>8107168
>>8107169
Tarpmind
Jesus 2 oldfags in the thread.

I haven't ever really been into fantasy much, but an avid scifi reader since I was a child. I've been wondering what a good first book into fantasy would be? I've read LoTR/Hobbit and that's about it.

>>8106843
I really like this guys art. He's almost as good as Frazetta.

>>8107153
Faggot, it's trap and reverse trap.

>>8107187
Are you a sexual fiend?
Does forced or animalistic sex turn you on?
Does your dick get stiff when you read dirty hentai?
Is GRI your initials?

Then Prince of Nothing is the book for you.

>>8107207
I would fuck the one in the middle, I don't even care if it's a tomgirl.

>>8107187
That's great and all, but this thread is now dedicated to discussing chix with dix.

>>8107189
I really do love Frazetta.

>>8107212
I'm sold

>>8107212
Anything more like that?

>>8107225
So entry level fantasy can't have traps?

>>8107226
Jesus fuck, so thick. She looks like she would "bruk mi buddi".

>>8107234
Ask the GRI anon to help you. He has been keeping track of all the goodie books.

>>8107225
That's very related to getting into "fantasy" though.

>>8107268
Seeing the jump like that turns me off, i like when they hide it. I just want to cum, gimme your boipussy.

>>8107244
That's why Frazetta is so good. Well, there's the composition, the sense of movement and technical skill involved but ultimately he's great because he draws big asses and thick girls.

just read the lightbringer series by weeks (or what's written of it so far), though it was breddy gud tbqh

>>8105647
Yeah, it's fantasy. I'm working on a similar setting myself.

>>8107286
BLOOD MIRROR IN 6 MONTHS
GET HYPED

ALSO FUCK THOSE TWO ARC ANONS WHO WERE RUBBING IT IN OUR FACES.

RRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>8107278
So you like it a bit more like this?

>Still no mentions of fantasy or science fiction books with trap protags

>>8107237
Maybe. Are you gonna twitter-shame me now, dickgirl?

>>8107301
well I was hype before I found out some people have ARCs and aren't sharing ;_;

>>8107309
Q-Q
Fuck you anon, turning people gay by posting attractive females then saying they are male should be illegal.

>>8107286
So what's it all about? Any special reason why you liked it? I've never read anything by Weeks. Is the Night Angel trilogy any good?

>>8107326
But anon's just been posting dudes.

>>8107330
Night Angel trilogy is GRI approved.
What more do you want? Are you some kind of sicko that likes it consensual in missionary?

>>8107340
They look female... to many years on 4chen as a kissless virgin . Hell i would fuck linetrap if [s]he would have me ruin that boipussy.

>>8107341
No, I only like it anally and rough in a very non-consensual manner. Preferably inside the family.

>>8107352
Welcome to the fold senpai

>>8107330
Night trilogy is pretty edgy YA stuff. Very obvious it was his first major series.

Lightbringer is still pretty YA but has a much better plot and structure. Plus the GRI

Post some /sffg/ music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI-HrHi1YvY

All the filthy catamites in this thread.

>>8107374
https://youtu.be/-yOZEiHLuVU
>>8107367
>YA stuff
What does that mean exactly?

>>8107367
There is no GRI in Lightbringer, only threatened rape.

>>8107367
>Plus the GRI

Night Angel has more GRI than Lightbringer

>>8107380
I just wanted a book that I could self insert into but apparently anons just want to self insert into me.

>>8107349

>>8107399
>erect dick
Thanks sempai I'm cured. Don't want that shit no more.

Wuts gri

>>8107421

lurk moar

>>8107212
i hardly imagine a 'sex fiend' *reading* about erotica

>>8107410
I'm sorry about your boner, mister Anon, I didn't have many SFW images to pick from. ;_;

>>8107439
That's rather presumptuous of you, isn't it?

>>8107330
characters are distinctive and have good arcs

plot moves along at a pretty good pace, has some well-spaced twists

prose is readable but nothing to write home about

>>8102868
>>8102868
>>8102868
New Thread

>>8107485
"No".

>>8107447
Foundation and Empire was easily my favourite. The twist involving the Mule was fantastic, almost as good as the very final revelation in 2nd Foundation.
Fuck you man I've got exams but now I'm just going to go read foundation again.