/lit/ - Literature

>the upper classes who have the free time and connections to create / market the art in the first place
false premise
sorry frog

You seem to make these threads every week. Fuck off dumb frogposter and stop pitying yourself.

Do you work out? Do you practice some sort of art? Do you write, good? The fuck are you offering? Are you asexual? Does a woman's eyes make your heart flutter or are you completely jaded?

>>8060208
Give up on relationships, masturbate more and focus on the other aspects of your life.

Being in a relationship won't magically solve your problems. You gotta love yourself before you even attempt to love others. Stop being such a NEET faggot and do something with your life.

wouldn't this "problem" of yours be solved be just joining in the supposed debauchery and unprotected sex?

>>8060208

Women over 20 years old are not even worth ten minutes of effort to get with

>wahh I'm socially underdeveloped and now I'm doubting everything

>>8060671
do you think we wouldnt if we could?

you need to be funny and cool, you need to not be a depressed, unsocialised jittery weirdo with no conversational skills to participate

>>8060713
Vodka solves that problem.

>>8060717
for many it makes the problems worse

>>8060717
>tfw still extremely anxious in social situations even if I've all but blacked out
Alcohol is a stupid meme

>>8060208
You're a fucking coward. Instead of conquering your fears, you justify them and shake your fist at a world that doesn't give a fuck.

You've never flirted with a girl before? Okay, go get dolled up and flirt with every girl you see tonight. Done, check that off the list.

This is a world of abundance and opportunity, the walls you see are illusions that exist only in your mind.

You might not have the genetics to be one in a million Chad, but you certainly have the ability to smash 6's left and right if you do the following.
>Get /fit/
>Face your social fears. Talk to people every day, don't worry how retarded you will look, you'll get better.
>Actually ask a girl out. For christssakes, I talk to guys like you all the time. I hear the familiar refrain "tfw no gf" and when I ask them "have you asked any girls out the answer is no. What the fuck? I don't run around bitching about how I don't know c++ when I haven't even attempted it.

I could go on. Really you have to conquer your own crippling self doubt first of all. That's the hardest part. Took me years. Oh yeah there's no quick fixes. Good luck man

people don't have sex that much and it's generally protected

>>8060208
"Society" is not a conscious being that singled you out as a piece of shit.

YOU prevented YOURSELF from joining in with other people when you were young. Everyone you pass by in that pub has been socially anxious, but you let it cripple you instead of learning from experiences and bettering yourself.

Society doesn't owe you consolation, and women don't owe you attention. Both are earned, and you have failed to earn any. But like all of /r9k/'s disgusting, whining users, you bitterly blame others and exalt yourself as being above them. In your incoherent crying you failed to even make a point.

>>8060865
Don't listen to this bullshit. Kill everyone instead.

>>8060631
>Does a woman's eyes make your heart flutter or are you completely jaded?

I got butterflies after seeing a woman's hand the other day. Not the guy you quoted but I've been going through some sort of crisis/awakening and I thought that was such a strange thing to be attracted to.

>>8060642

This is dangerous advice. All those repressed sentiments can make an explosive comeback and catch you at the lowest point in your life. I'd recommend being more honest and humble but not to the point where you lose confidence in yourself or have to depend on others.

>>8060786
>>8060865
lel what is this empty bullshit? I thought this was supposed to be one of the intelligent boards.

>>8060697

So your solution is to put him down?
You sound like you have issues of your own that you're repressing.

>>8060827

I need to read this book.
Does it provide anything resembling a solution?

>>8060966
Welcome to 4chan faggot

>>8060959
What were you looking for? A chorus to repeat your pathetic moaning back to you? Go back to the robots, or get some of the 12 year olds on /b/ to rally around your bitterness. /lit/ is one of the boards for people who are actually somewhat well-adjusted, at least when you're not in a frogposting thread.

>>8061006
Your moaning and idiotic posturing is honestly far worse than anything he said so far dude

>>8060208
They haven't seen any real life yet? You'll probably only be able to get damaged goods, but unless they're violent you should be cool chief.

>>8061017
I don't even care. This self-aggrandizing shit is the most toxic part of any board on this site. The world would be better if frogposters still suffered alone instead of building a community around pretending they're smarter and more in touch with life than "normies." Now they're stuck there forever, and what's worse, stuck here forever.

>>8060959
I'm a little confused when you say empty bullshit; I gave you a to do list. Maybe you were looking for a shoulder to cry on, someone to coddle your defeatist attitude? Go fuck yourself.

Society hasn't fucked you. You've fucked yourself, are fucking yourself, and will continue to fuck yourself every day you put off making small steps towards your own personal "good life."

>>8061035
Where did you pick up that it was self aggrandizing or that he thought he was smarter or more in touch than normal people?

Holy shit youre literally projecting yourself so hard you cant even tell

You are projecting yourself onto another person and then berating that person

Go on acting all tough

>>8061047
Nigger stop defending OP, he's a no-confidence faggot whose blaming the world for his problems. Christ

>>8061059
Whats it like to be so unperceptive and stupid you dont understand basic psychologically development?

>>8061047
Reread the op. He assumes that all guys who have sex are shallow Chads and that all girls in general do nothing but have unprotected sex all day. He views himself as a cultured patrician and laments that the rest don't see him that way.

>>8061064
Op being a waste of life has nothing to do with theories about development.

>>8061066
who does unprotected sex nowadays?
protection always!

>>8061064
Thanks for that no content post, would you like to try again?

You faggots are so transparent. You don't explain shit so nobody can attack your own premises, and then hope they'll defend themselves from your baseless attack.

I know OP is in the midst of "basic pschologically development," which is why I told him he can conquer these issues because they exist within him. OP can't take constructive criticism, and here we are.

>>8061080
actually what happened was you did some posturing under the guise of 'tough love', someone called you out on it, and you had an autism fit, nothing more, sorry dude

>>8061088
>frogposters calling others autistic

>>8060786
Thanks. not him, but I needed that.

Gonna have to spill a painful amount of spaghetti to get to where I need to be

>>8061095
This is how you improve, anon. Never go back to the robots.

>>8061088
I don't get this "posturing," I called him a coward and gave him a to do list. You're either a woman, or should get tested for low T bro

>>8061095

I'm going through a sort of crisis myself and over the past week I've started taking steps to improve my situation. I haven't done a whole lot in a practical sense and it'll probably be a long scary road back to social relevance, but the first few steps are encouraging. Some things looked way darker than they actually were.

>>8060208

Reminder that this is the most pretentious board on 4chan with a motley crew of the most vapid pseudo intellectuals to be found anywhere on the internet.

>>8060717
>drink
>get funnier and more sociable
>don't get laid
>drink more
>flirt and make out with girls I just met
>don't get laid
>get blackout drunk
>pull outrageous antics that make me the life of the party
>don't get laid
>regain consciousness at 3am smoking cigarettes outside a convenience store with a bunch of guys

Every single time. Alcohol does not cure your insecurities or your autism. I've been told by my friends that I would blackout, make out with girls, and just walk away without ever getting their numbers. College sucked, and the chip on my shoulder from an entire youth of rejection and failure will probably never go away. I don't try anymore.

>>8060980
God.

>>8061036
this

>>8060713
>be awkward fat child
>smart enough to learn to laugh at life and yourself
>develop humor
>lose weight
>become attractive and popular
>always look out for those jittery, unsocialised weirdos at parties or pubs, making conversation with them, not just out of pity (which is more pity that you yourself might have become like them had you been more paralyzed with enui in your earlier years) but also out of interest for the thoughts of those that must think by way of difference, then, opening them up, you try joking, seriously unserious you try to get them to understand how much bullshit we put on social events, how little everyone know and cares about life and, more than anything, each-other and themselves; eventually subduing them to the comic absurd of total relaxation, whereby everything is pointless and funnier for that
>pat them on the shoulder and belly laugh away into the night

>>8060959
>thinks yourself intelligent
>lacks the resolve to better yourself and situation
>resorts to cheap bitterness and woeful apathy instead
>think yourself intelligent rather than admitting you don't even have that, have probably nothing in fact
>and you feel nothing, not even a lick or jolt, to improve such a lot
>think yourself intelligent
>think this board intelligent

>>8061511
You sound like a decent person anon, I share your views but my brain works against me too vehemently for me to be able to do anything like that.

>>8061521
No need for senseless cruelty.

>>8060865
true

>>8060786

oof

>>8060220
How is this false?

>current year
>not having a qt daddy issues weekend girl whose panties melt upon readings of bukowski or blake or similar shit

>>8061540
I'm the same person anon. The mind is your possession, not you - the response you give it is the most controllable command, and that response comes from a source undefinable by it's very nature: a soul, an atman, a creative nothing / a consciousness, cogs in evolutionary machines, the empty byproduct of chemicals -- all that relates to the same individual source or phenomenal command. We all have nothing, are nothing really at all; there's only a voice in a box, a ghost in a shell. You, the closest thing to a you, is that voice, and your voice is weak, doesn't even want to suffer and doesn't even realize such a want is the most suffering of all. That is why you are unintelligent, not because you are not smart (I am sure you are smart), but because you let emotions and fears cloud your ability to discriminate accurately, to realize that you have a want to be happy and open, and that there is no reason, no reason other than you, for such a goal to be unreachable.

What I'm saying is not senseless or cruel: it's a reproach to the man who holds himself back, and a call for that better prisoner to do something; to fill that empty nothingness with a valued change he himself wants.

We can all do it anon, because that emptiness is inside all of us. It eats and kills many people, but it is the human property of imagination and absence itself: a desire for more, an awareness of what is less. Just understand that you can love such a nothingness, and when you love yourself, and when you act from love and not for it, you will be stable, full again. To be the anything we want, we couldn't be anything else but nothing to begin with. There are no walls to us anon, no fears to limit us save the fears we have. You are your own master. Don't pity him.

>>8061585
I wish I had a powerful soul, but it turns out what I have is a body which, whenever I try to overcome my learned helplessness, floods my system with adrenaline, resulting in uncontrollable fear, painful nausea, and brain fog that nullifies any attempt I might make at socializing. It doesn't bother me too much, I can be content alone and I'm a happy person. Maybe one day I'll feel empty enough for the discomfort to be worth it, but for now I'm fine. Just wanted to express my agreement with your point of view and indulge in a bit of self-pity.

>>8061630
It's not a question of having a powerful soul, you don't have a soul - you are your soul, and that soul is as powerful as you yourself let it grow to be. You have limits, rivers of doubt and pain that hold you back - but when you drown in that, don't blame the water, blame yourself; and the weak arms you didn't train, or the poor lungs you didn't excercise, or the thousand "fates" you ignored freely. There's influence and there's your own willpower - don't take the formers overpowering of the latter as evidence of an inability for things to be otherwise. It's all just part of that constant struggle: a finite result in an infinite series of possibilities. Learn to care less, think less but feel more; calm your desires until they're pleasant suggestions and steel yourself bit by bit until they're easy directions. But don't ever pity yourself. You don't deserve pity when every action you've made has landed you here. You deserve love. So do the most loving thing for yourself: achieve what makes your life fulfilling. And never be afraid of the things that get between that. You will be scared, that is fine: then you can be brave. And soon, after years maybe, you might be a step closer. But never pity yourself. That will never get you anywhere.

OP is an insufferable asshole who inadvertently ruined other threads by posting this shit.

>>8061664
I rarely pity myself, as I've said I'm quite content. But I see no reason to fight a difficult battle if the prize doesn't justify the effort.

Here's some insight:
Woman are people just like you.
The same underlying feelings, which attract them to people. You're not giving them any reason to like you, noone can see past the insecure looking person to see the brilliant mind, that you obviously are and harbor.
Also did you approach anyone? Apart of the hollow good looking ones?
You read so much, still you understand so little, you're blaming people for your own flaws, it's like the morbidly obese people saying it's socitys fault for not liking their bodys and not giving them attention.
The problem is you anon. Stop the philosophy and start with psychology before you become a wizard.
(Another small thing, looks are nothing compared to personalitys, if you are interesting (you are to some people, you aren't to others) then some girls will see that, but they won't if you live shut up in your room.)

>>8061694
>Woman are people just like you.
They are very different people, because they have been treated very differently all their lives. The rest is true, of course, but anxiety is immune to logic.

>>8061694
Not OP, but what if I got the looks but have no personality?

>>8061489

nuts.

>>8061705
There are losers outcasts and so on with woman too. I've met enough people to notice that all that prejudice is true, but not necessary.
I shouldn't have said woman in general, but to be honest i don't indentify women or men anymore by gender, that's more the second quality, at first i want to know what their personalities like. And that is something which is not genderbound. (At least for the people whom i talk to, i don't talk to mindless bitches or dudes.)
Anxiety is immune, doesn't stop acknowledging the flaws one has and that most people are far more complex than one may think.
Op may be 24, but hes as emotionally fit as a depressed 14 year old.

You've posted here before but I'm pretty sure you're trying out a "character"

It's too forced

>>8060827
This seems neat but the "corporate community" or whatever is pretty vague.

Also 4chan is as much a community as drinking at a bar with your colleagues a few times a week.

>>8061716
Everyone has a personality. Some develop it earlier some later. I myself thought "why would anyone want to do something with me, i'm so boring" which is why i mostly let friends contact me and i never wrote them first. They just like me for whom i am, you don't need anything else to it. You may think you're shallow, but you aren't.
Having the looks is neatly as hard as being ugly, you're handed everything and have to decipher the people who are with you for your looks, and those who are with you because of whom you are.
If you feel shallow, read more, go to conventions (books, any other interests you have) and so on.
There are lessons to be learned that you have to go threw yourself. You will always attrackt the insecure, just loving you for the fact you're goodlooking. Go for people who can talk to you on a certain basis.

>>8061716
Oh yeah, are you introverted? Because being good looking and introverted often makes it seem that you're uppity. That's a hard one as people don't approach you and are afraid to talk to you.

>>8060208
How often do you take risks?

Maybe that is the problem.

>>8061751
Yeah. I dress well, look nice, and most people assume I'm intelligent. I'm not awkward in the slightest, but I keep to myself, so people don't usually approach me. When people get to know me, they're surprised at how kind I actually am.

>>8061755
Start taking initiative then.

>>8061755
Yeah as i thought.
You "keep to yourself", that means you probably look uppity. Try smiling more, it will change how people notice you.

>>8061759
The only girl I'm into at the moment is my cousin, but she lives across the globe from me. We have has incestuous sex before, and no girl even comes close to her unparalleled beauty.

>>8061764
Wow, things are starting to make sense now... Thanks, anon. I have a bad case of bitch resting face as a male.

How did you come to the conclusion that I was introverted and most likely appeared uppity? Have you had this problem yourself or is this some kind of common trope among attractive introverts?

I know /lit/ tends to hate frogposting, but I appreciate this thread and the posters in it

>>8061771
Well, you know the clichés (good looking guy doesn't want to do stuff with peasants), if you look disinterested (very close to introverted) you look uppity.
Ugly introverted people look awkward, handsome introverted people look uppity. That originates from the fact that most people have the misconception that good looking people are never introverted, as they have no reason to be.
Also i noticed it because a friend of mine told me one of his friends just was introverted, but he looked like he was thought he was on a totally other level.
I. e. start smiling. It will help others come to you much more than you may think. And smiling is a training thing, i trained it quite a lot, and now i just smile for no reason.

>>8061794
Ugh i meant "he looked like the thought he was on a totally other level.
That being said, after that i noticed it with so many other people too, it's quite common.

>>8061801
>>8061794
Huh, interesting. I dress preppy so that doesn't exactly help me either. As for smiling, I'm scared of producing laugh lines and unwanted wrinkles. I don't want to spend $ on Botox either.

>>8060208

You done fucked up your mind with r9k son

>>8061794
Jesus Christ, the typical /lit/ narcissism comes out on full force again. Just fucking smile, learn to laugh at stupid shit, including that fucking post you autismo.

>>8061820
What are you talking about? I'm quite okay in my life, i'm just giving advice. I was kinda autistic 2-3 years ago.
Also you're implying that i don't laugh and have fun with friends which is utterly wrong. I do have fun, and used to have fun too. The only thing is to be more outgoing and making it easier to like me for other people by smiling at random people.
>>8061814
Is this bait? You're afraid of aging? Well there is some other stuff that you have deal with apart of the vibes you give.

>>8061835
Yeah, I'm 18. Of course I'm afraid of aging.

>>8061820
What are you on about? Calm your tits, mate.

>>8061838
There's no reason to be afraid of it.
Also with 18 you're to young to be here. You're not balanced enough. No hard feeling on that point.

>>8060208
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>>8061801

If you want to get laid, all you need to do is match someone on Tinder, show up, be clean, and listen.

>>8061820

This is it. It's pure narcissism. Do you people think self-pity isn't narcissism? Or self-loathing? Or self-flagellation? This is all about yourself. The only thing that's stopping you is your fear of failure. The reason you're so scared of failing is because you believe you're better than everyone else, so if a woman rejects you, this reflects unacceptably badly on you. Or, in DFW's words:

>"Everybody is identical in their secret unspoken belief that way deep down they are different from everybody else."

Most women are literally just looking for someone who is a) Nice, and b) Clean. The standards are that low.

>>8060208
Hey OP psych fag here

It sound like you are on the verge of flinging yourself headlong into self destruction.

And focauolt would whole heartedly cheer you on. The process of growing is really just alternating stages of crumbling and decay and rebuilding.

Its unfortunate you decided not to take the risks afforded to youth but there is still time.

Don't worry about reputation
don't worry about being good

do what you want
be honest about it

and to get a girl you need to trick them into loving you and either maintaining that facade or hoping the bottom doesn't drop out when you finally come clean.

Mainly becuase women are just as if not more scared of you than you are of them, they need assurence that they will be "safe" with you.
So you can put on all the peacocking you want , come up with the most bo,bombastic (but believable) lies and try to get them to love you.

The dating game is all about manipulation.

>>8061857
>and to get a girl you need to trick them into loving you and either maintaining that facade or hoping the bottom doesn't drop out when you finally come clean.

>So you can put on all the peacocking you want , come up with the most bo,bombastic (but believable) lies and try to get them to love you.

>The dating game is all about manipulation.

lmao dating isn't the same as love. Everybody puts on the best version of themself while they're dating. That's kind of the idea. That wears off over time. That's just what relationships look like and there's nothing wrong with it.

>So you can put on all the peacocking you want , come up with the most bo,bombastic (but believable) lies and try to get them to love you.

Jesus Christ, or you could just listen and take a genuine interest in what they have to say. You don't have to wear a fucking purple hat and do street magic. Just ask them if they have any brothers or sisters, you don't even need to be particularly interesting! If there's a spark, great. If there isn't, that doesn't reflect badly on either of you. Who cares. Dating is fun.

>>8061849
>Most women are literally just looking for someone who is a) Nice, and b) Clean. The standards are that low.
That's shortterm, you won't be able to build a relationship upon that.

>>8061863

I enjoyed your reply

but you are trolling to the max
or you live in a rural christian community.

>>8061863
This.
Some people fit, some don't, it's like a puzzle. You may fit together, but there won't be a picture that results from it.

>>8061866
shut the fuck up birgin faggot

>>8061768
Read jude the obscure.

>>8061916
birgin?
lost the birgcard at 16

>>8061926
i lost your mom when i fucked her last night, she disappeared into my dick and i didn't cum her out

>>8061868
I live in central London

>>8060208
You are aware it's possible to read without being some sort of autistic social outcast, right?

>>8061931
It's okay, i forgive you.
Nothings your faullt.

>>8061931
Didn't know you were into necrophilia.

>>8061006
>/lit/
>well adjusted

>>8061940
Just because you aren't doesn't mean e/lit/ists are as autistic as you.

Just read stuff written by people that aren't elite educated dickheads. Then go and get laid.

Your problems are trivially easy to solve.

Lemme guess
>b-b-but I can't get laid! I don't know how. Wah wah wah.
Even literal retards can get laid. Children can get laid. Everyone likes fucking. If you can't someone to have sex with you by the age of 24 then it is 100% guaranteed that you aren't trying.

>>8061951
We're on /lit/. You really think he's going to cease reading stuff written by elite educated dickheads?

>>8061944
Half the discussions here end up with hissy fits and accusing each other of being plebs. You're all autists.

>>8061955
Pleb

>>8061955
>implying you're any better

>>8060208
My friend, I was once you, with your thoughts. Do not worry, women will soon be desperate for husbands and children and desperate to settle down in a few years from your age. Strike then, brother.

As for now, do not regret enjoying the finer crafts of life. Live them fully and embrace them

>>8061964
At least I know I'm not any better.

>>8061967
At least I'm better than you.

>>8061972
Fuck off, pleb

>>8061977
After I'm done fucking your twin sister in the poop chute.

>>8060208
>reading books for the girls
>secretly envying hedonistic life
Come on

>>8060208
Become gay, my brother. Best lifestyle change I ever made.

>take risks
>b urself
>smile more! :)

Jesus christ red/lit/, pls go

>>8061979
i find it deeply troubling that you consider sex as a violent act when the passive side doesn't get any enjoyment

>>8062013
Good for you

>>8060827
Does anyone else here relate hard to this?

To me it doesn't seem like a common thing though, I feel like most people aren't nearly this isolated.

>>8062081
are you rich

>>8062084
No why?

>>8062103
how can you relate to somebody who 'piles riches in solitude' then

and those are material riches too

People are just meat stretched over bone. Any number of clubgoing degenerates couldn't possibly measure up to Ulysses or whatever your favorite books are.

ya know I used to feel intimidated by /lit/. They used to rip on all the things I liked. Everyone sounded so smart, so I thought you were. Post like this make me realize that A. I'm a "Chad" B. You come on here to make yourselves feel important by being vile assholes.

you walk by the bars I'm at, get bitter then post about it here hahah

>>8062154
> You come on here to make yourselves feel important by being vile assholes.

like youre doing now?

how to git laid
do drugs

>>8060208
You're a loser in life m8
Those students you mentioned go out and do shit, you write about not doing shit and seem genuinely confused about why your life sucks

>>8062124
Well I do feel that by spending very little I am essentially hoarding my money, and financial poverty is something I fear a great deal. I was quite poor as a child however so I know this fear isn't totally impractical, but still. I look at Karl Ove Knausgaard and his huge books about his life and I feel mine can just be summed up with a few brief sentences. Paul Simon wrote "Most Peculiar Man" after reading an obituary that was like 14 words long and I assume mine will be similar.

>>8062194
>loser
>winner
>do shit

Nice spookes

>>8060786
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>>8061036

This; and probably other things as well, but I wont read this entire thread

>>8060786
yeah, it's classic slave morality...i like ur thing about c++ cuz it's similar, you hear fags like "tfw no job coding for a startup, they all want stanford phds" etc. and it's like have u ever written a line of code? have u ever written any kind of working app? did even fucking apply anywhere? the tech economy is still hot as fuck right now, if you can write code you're gonna get work...it might not be as lead language processing researcher at google or someshit, but somebody somewhere is going to pay you

Protip for all "friendless losers" on /lit/: never ask anyone for help for anything. Ever.

"Normal" people don't want to admit that losers exist because they've been riding the high wave of self-confidence and social skills from their early childhood into the present. They want to think that that's a result of their own good character and activities, and not simply the result of factors entirely outside of their control, like upbringing and the absence of early childhood trauma.

Normals want the double pleasure of having had good things fall on them by an accident of fate AND believe that they're truly responsible for having brought it about. For example (and this is just ONE example of a possible cause), they're physically fit. Why? Because they came from a high income family that provided them with organic vegetables. They did not come from a low income family full of a abuse where the child was forced toward compulsive eating to fill the hideous emotional gap in his/her life. They never had the feeling of hopelessness that comes with not knowing when you'll have to kill yourself out of sheer poverty. They always knew that they had the material, emotional, and other resources to succeed

>>8062289
Normals hate losers complaining because they don't want to feel guilt or sympathy for them. They realise on an instinctive level that empathy for losers will only drag them down into the mire with them, so they have to find a way to simultaneously deny the losers their aid whilst still believing themselves to be good, friendly wholesome people. The only way to do this is to imagine the loser as a villain who's responsible for their own misery.

Otherwise the nice, inclusive, tolerant normal would have to face up to the fact that they aren't nice, inclusive or tolerant at all.

We all understand that "just be social" or "go outside, meet people" or "man up" are meaningless phrases. But people assume it's really that easy for everyone, and you must just be lazy for not doing what's so simple for them. You will mostly get "advice" from people who have had normal social lives and cannot fathom being in your position. People who get invites to parties, monthly, weekly, or even daily, will advise you to "just say yes" when invited, thinking it's your fault for constantly saying "no". Because what kind of a person doesn't get invited to parties all the time, right? And when you point that out, lacking empathy, they feel you're being ungrateful scum, and do their best to injure you for the perceived insult.

>>8062293
It's almost always better to suffer alone. Other people only pretend to care for the shortest possible timeframe. After that, they can't be bothered. Unless you're paying them (like you pay a therapist to be your friend for hire), nobody really cares about you, and even then they don't help you unless it helps themselves too.

You won't receive any empathetic suggestions. Instead, people will suggest that you do ridiculous public antics that they would never do and have also never made friends that way: go talk to a stranger at a cafe, approach someone reading a book in a bookstore, go for a walk in a park alone and start talking to someone sitting on a bench. Those are creepy, weird behaviors that normal social people rarely do to make friends, and anecdotal evidence to the contrary is usually a stroke of luck that you shouldn't count on.

You're living in a world that they will never understand. In their reality, you can go up to someone else at the bar and strike up a conversation, easy as pie. If they don't like you, they calmly say so. If they do, you've made a new friend. But for you, there is no positive outcome. If they don't like you, a scene is made, and you become known as a creeper or something along those lines to the person and their friends. If they do like you, it's usually out of pity and not out of a genuine interest. It's a lose-lose situation.

>>8062297
What makes these suggestions dangerous is that most of them are true in a completely trivial sense that misses any sense of context for the other person, so they sound reasonable to a "normal" person with underdeveloped empathy. It's like telling a homeless person to "just invest in a stock portfolio". Yes, investing a in a stock portfolio would definitely solve the hobo's problems, but the advice is ignoring context.

First: does he even know what a stock portfolio is? Most people like you don't have this problem, since they're knowledgeable about social situations and their own predicament by neccessity. The second problem: does he have any money to invest in one? You have to have beginning capital, monetary or social, to make an investment. Obviously this is where a friendless loser will stumble, as he is not desirable in any way and he has nothing to offer.

Third: he doesn't have a house or a phone to call someone and get things set up, he doesn't have the connections to a stock broker, he will probably get swindled since he's an easy target and so on. So even if you somehow overcome the second hurdle with superhuman willpower and you improve yourself enough to compensate for your position in society, this is where almost everyone will fail. They simply do not have the support structures that would enable them to do anything substantial in life.

>>8062300
A person who says that is thinking it's "simple advice" when they're really relying on a lifetime of experience, positive reinforcement, social contact, upbringing and opportunities they take for granted, which the homeless person doesn't have and not only can't get overnight, but probably won't get ever again, and the advice giver can't comprehend that someone else might not have this.

To change anything major in your life, you need all the necessary tools plus a lot of luck. To get the tools you need to have been winning at life from the start, to build confidence and learn that the world is a place of good experiences and not everyone's out to get you. If you were born with good luck, you're reasonably happy and most things have been going your way, you'll have a decent life. If this hasn't been happening to you since early childhood, you're fucked.

Life is unfair. Those having it good justify this with the "just world fallacy". It's easier to think that people have what they deserve: they suffer because they're bad people, and they have it good because they're better than the rest. Yet sport players that barely know how to speak properly earn 8 digits for running behind a ball, and others work their ass off for a miserable wage if they're lucky enough to even get a job. Some are born into families of political power, others are born in the middle of African poverty with nothing to eat but mud and worms.

>>8062306
If you're a "normal person", you won't think about this, in the course of your daily life you won't have to. If you're a loser, you will be aware of all that society does to people and have a higher sense of empathy, even if only because you've experienced it yourself. It's not that "normals" are without any misfortune. But they are by definition excluded from having most problems that plagued people like you during their formative years.

Imagine if you will, two people. One is "normal", one is "abnormal". They both grew up in a troubled environment. Maybe their parents had a divorce at a young age, or one of them died. Maybe they were abused and had a difficult home life, and both were probably depressed at some point.

Now, imagine that these two people have only one thing separating them: the normal one went through school, into college and then work while having friends, having a few girlfriends, kissed before the age of 14, lost his virginity before 18, did relatively well at school and despite the troubles he may have had elsewhere came out a well-rounded and well-adjusted person as a result. Now, imagine that the abnormal one was the exact opposite of this: having no friends, no girlfriend, never kissing, never having sex, getting bad grades and then spending the rest of his life as a shut-in with no future because of this.

>>8062309
What was the difference? Both had problems, yes. The normal person certainly had plenty of problems himself. But the abnormal person's problems were greatly amplified as he had no outside support, no person or group to fall back on. This is where the bitterness towards "normals" comes in. A normal person is by his nature destined to have an easier life than an abnormal person in the same situation, and for this reason "abnormals" can become very jaded, jealous and hateful towards society.

When you're not a part of some group, you don't feel like a part of the society, you aren't accepted in the tribe, you can't "just do it", you can't "man up", you have all this underlying anxiety and depression stemming from not having your place in the world that will prevent you from doing anything no matter how hard you try. When it develops it is something you really have to get over by force. You need to put yourself outside of your comfort zone and stay there. And if you consistently have bad experiences when you try, unless you're completely insane, you will eventually stop trying.

Normal people don't understand this, they think that "giving up" means giving up after the first try because they usually succeed at the second. They don't understand that "giving up" means years of banging your head against the wall, trying to integrate into the very same society that they, out of their stupid tribal instincts and inherent evil in their hearts, don't want to let you in.

>>8062312
Let's analyze a few common pieces of "advice" you'll hear from such people:

>"Success is a journey, not a destination."
Take an analogy of a road trip. You're supposed to be driving from Houston to New Orleans to spend Mardi Gras with some women from the area that you met on the internet.

Normal person: They drive there, but they get a flat tire. They call up a friend to help them and in the process of fixing it, they encounter a hobo who asks them for money. They give him $20, and he tells them there's a great bar down the road, they fix the tire, go on to the bar, drink and do drugs and fuck local whores there, continue driving while feeling an amazing high, and arrive to see the internet girls were even hotter than in pics. "Ah, an interesting event on the journey", you say.

Someone like you: They get pulled over by a cop halfway there for going 4mph over the speed limit. While being pulled over, a drunk driver crashes into their car and speeds off, the cop follows. Their car is inoperable and the cop doesn't return, being hot on the chase. They're stranded and don't have anyone to call because they have no friends. The hobo appears and stabs them for the $20. But it's ok, the girls weren't actually real, it was just some old high school or college bullies playing a prank on the guy by pretending to be said girls on the internet.

>>8062316
It was an interesting chain of events, but you can see that just saying "success is a journey, not a destination" has an assumption that you eventually reach the destination and get positive feedback. This is not guaranteed, and due to the random happenings of luck and your own capacities to deal with it, or the lack thereof, is often not achieved at all.

>"You're depressed? Oh come on, everybody gets sad, you just got to learn to deal with it. If you can't, get therapy or medication."
No, not everybody gets sad. People with girlfriends, a social network, a good job, and various other opportunities might have a "down day" but they are generally quite content with their lives and can feel good about themselves when they look at their standing compared to others. This is illustrated by the way they say "I'm sooo sad' then whip back a day later to a happy mood. That's not depression. And "learn to deal with it?" What does that mean? It's vague to the point of having no substance at all.

When you're depressed in the way you might be, the issue is finding a motivation for anything. It's not chemicals or brain disease or anything else. It's that your worldview is bleak and dismal, it's not depression in a classical sense where you have a good life but you are "depressed" due to brain chemistry or a short circuit that can be fixed by talking to a shrink, it's just being perfectly realistic about your shit life and inability to achieve anything a normal person could.

>>8062318
You can work on it, meditate, practice saying "yes" to life, write down positive qualities about yourself and good memories you've had and read them back to yourself... but those techniques only work for people who didn't have shit lives in the first place. They only make you realize and focus on how good you have it. When you don't, you'll only feel worse. You'll wake up at night crying, you'll slug through every day wishing you were dead because you won't see any place in life as a good place to go. It will all feel bad, and when it will feel good it barely will. For you it's so hard to get to those good feelings compared to a normal person, it's like dragging a boulder for 3 miles just to get an M&M. You just want to lie down and die.

It's just another thing that normal people don't get. They can solve situational depression by changing their lives for the better because they have a support structure. They can solve chemical depression by taking meds because their lives are otherwise good. The drugs work, because they allow them to live their good life. If you have a miserable life, the drugs don't work. They can treat it as a simple obstacle to push through. But in your life there's no one single obstacle. There's nothing you can define that happened to "bum you out". There's just nothing that looks worthwhile to you anymore.

>>8062323
Depression for you is a lifetime of loneliness and acceptance of the fact that you can never be happy even when trying, depression for a normal person is "OMG NO GF FOR 2 WEEKS", they will never get it. If they say they were depressed but "worked out of it" by lifting or just "going out" then they're lying to make you feel even worse, they were never depressed, just bored. being strongly bored might look like "depression" but its an entire universe away. Happiness is not a decision, its something you either get or don't get. You could do nothing all your life and still be happy, and you could try things all your life and still be miserable.

>"Man up and stop being a pussy."
This obviously has no meaning, it's just macho posturing from someone who's never had anything to complain about and has ample opportunities to vent his miniscule stress levels in a productive way.

>"Think about all starving African children, your problems are insignificant compared to theirs."
The logical end point of this is that no one is allowed to ever feel sad or think about problems, because they all have it better than some poor African armless legless bastard in a trash can with people shitting on him. It's irrational. People judge themselves and get reinforcement from their peer group. You are probably surrounded by or exposed to more successful people your age who accentuate your problems.

>>8062325
>"Just work out and get a better diet."
Probably the least retarded advice. But it still ignores context: genetics, metabolism, habits, general quality of life, psychological hangups and motivation. Normals can do this stuff on autopilot, whereas foreveralones have to really force it and overcome their own insecurities and lack of inertia and the most important thing: support structures. They don't even have friends to help motivate them or go to the gym with them, they are on their own in this as in all other aspects of life, which kills all motivation. And even if you do it, it will not affect your life nearly as much as it will a normal person's life. You'll just be a foreveralone loser with a slightly better looking body. Best you could get is meaningless sex from club sluts if you're still young (early twenties). Later than that, no one will care. And do you really want that in the first place? It won't be getting you love or emotional support or anything good from anyone worthwhile.

>"Just get a job and stop being lazy."
Most jobs come from social contacts. Normals have many of these, foreveralones have few if any. Very few people get jobs just from applying online or in person. They get it through a friend or family member. Normals also have confidence from their otherwise successful lives, which lets them ace interviews. This is another thing that is harder for foreveralones, requiring much more willpower, intelligence and luck than a normal would need.

Just keep spending all your time posting on 4Chan, OP.
You're bound to meet someone here.

>>8062328
>"Just stop being sad and be happy instead."
Another meaningless "courage wolf" type of "advice" that implies that foreveralones just somehow didn't remember to be happy! Now that the normal person has reminded them, there it is, happiness at last! Even worse, when you're still not happy after being told to just be happy, they will blame you for conditioning yourself to be unhappy, for outright wanting to be unhappy. Who the hell wants to be unhappy? But how can you be happy when all of the people around you already have friends, when they are probably getting married, have sexual experiences and normal interests, and you don't have anything, and don't see a path in life that could lead you to any of it?

Even your "friends" aren't really on the same level as a friend to other people. You have to buy their love, and can't expect anyone to call you first, or return your messages. You just have to live your life, hoping you'll stumble into someone you know when you feel the need to talk, but even then you have to be incredibly guarded and watch what you say because you've learned through direct experience that you shouldn't talk about yourself, because it's offensive to others, even in benign things like musical tastes and fashion statements.

>>8062289
I was bedridden from 13 to 20 and had absolutely no social skills, education, work experience or ambition when I finally became healthy again
Now I'm 22, more outgoing than most people, made lots of friends since then and went from 116kg to 79kg

It's definitely possible to make it. I'm only 22 now and I feel like I'm what people refer to as a normie.

>>8062332
Another thing people will suggest is to "work on yourself" to achieve greater confidence and ultimately happiness. But confidence and happiness comes from success, and doing something useless like "getting ripped" and realizing that you're STILL being just as unsuccessful in life as before, can only lead to an even greater depression.

But you know, first you get fit, then you get money, then you get a big house and a nice car, you get a new haircut, you get a nice suit, you look great, you smile, you talk to women every single day...

...and then you do it for 30+ years with no results and become completely insane and start doing stupid, creepy or crazy things out of sheer desperation. Because none of the arbitrary goalposts ever did anything for him like they won't for you, they were all lies meant to keep you busy and not thinking about the actual reasons for your predicament.

When you're told "All you gotta do to achieve X is Y" and you've been doing Y since forever, it makes you feel even shittier, like some divine power has decided that you aren't worthy of X, no matter what you do to try to redeem yourself. Like there's a permanent stain on you that you can't make up for no matter how hard you try.

Jesus christ this is a lot of text

>>8062337
Most "advice" you'll get will be useless with regard to real life. People will give you arbitrary milestones that mean nothing. They will keep regurgitating the same "do this then you deserve to be a normal person" lines over and over again, the same "advice" that's been fed to you by the media and the authorities, in effect making you unhappy with who you are, with the goal to spend spend spend, and live in constant anxiety, so you can be the same as any other obedient working class drone.

None of this will make you happy, and none of this will help you become a "normal human being". You will constantly see proof that none of these goalposts mattered one bit, something that the people giving you this advice will be oblivious to, because after all, it worked for them.

They will say you need to get fit, but the fat guy down the street is happily married, living a dream sitcom life with his family. You need to get a good job, car, house, but the unemployed hippie stoner down the street is in an open relationship with two chicks he mooches off who love his "art". Get a better haircut? Fix your teeth? Get a nose job? But the comically ugly guy down the street is not only in a relationship but cheats on her at every opportunity, and his friends approve of that behavior. Work on your social skills? Even the model train society guys who go on bar crawls in your town are pretty social and happy regardless of being aspergers and not letting new people into their clique.

>>8062343
It's known that you've got to have money to make money. The same applies to friends and everything else in life. If you get to zero, you have to declare bankrupcy. You can't do anything unless someone takes pity on you and helps you reboot your social life.

Just "talking to people" was never the real problem. Communication, in and of itself, can encompass any useless or miserable exchange. What matters in real life is the value you bring to others. Never be retarded enough to think that "nice" or "compassionate" are considered valuable in the modern world, because they're not. What matters is whether or not you can make money for others, and whether or not you can make others feel good.

Even socializing works like a market. People trade their time with other people if and only if they believe they're gaining something of greater value than what they're giving up. These "gains from trade" so to speak are then reinvested (e.g. meeting friends of friends, "networking"). It's pure capitalism. Unlike in a real economy though, none of this social wealth can ever be regulated or redistributed and therefore losers will usually remain socially destitute, as the gap between them and the winners widens with years.

>>8062350
Sometimes, what *might* work to an extent, and only if you're still very young (late teens, early college years) is to join a club that promotes some kind of group activity. The problem with this is that you're probably not a fan of any sort of social activity, which helped to make you friendless in the first place. You will likely not have the social skills to integrate yourself smoothly among your peers out of the blue. Unless the club is made up of D&D neckbeards, you're going to be somewhat socially awkward, meaning people aren't going to want to be seen with you.

For a lot of people in your situation, even easy-mode friend-making things like university clubs do not work most of the time. Let me tell you what happens in clubs in general:

>1. A bunch of friends will join up to get discounts on a common activity. They have friends, they don't need more.
>2. They hang out together and have inside discussion that prevents anyone outside the circle from sounding even remotely interesting.
>3. In club meetings same circles of friends sit together joke around and participate TOGETHER.
>4. People generally don't care what you have to say, and will listen, if and only if, they were brought up to be 'polite'. After listening to your attempts they will get back with their friends and keep doing the same things as before.

>>8062356
As you can see, clubs will mostly be full of people who are already friends with each other and joined the club to have an excuse to drink or shoot the shit together, who will have their own discussions and won't let anyone in, no matter their qualities, and how good at the activity they might be. The chance of this will increase with age, and the older you are, the more will everyone expect that you are really good at the thing the club is about, and that your social connections are already made.

In any human relationship, business, social, romantic, any type, when one side shows that they really need the other side, it automatically makes them the loser, the bitch, the creep, the undesirable party. It shows weakness. The only way to really make new friends is to present yourself in such a light that they would want to be your friend - for that they must see you as a socially desirable person, as attractive, as someone better than them who can provide them with something in a social context.

In other words, you're out of luck and it won't work. It's not kindergarten or highschool or first semester in a college dorm anymore, you can't just make friends by coming up to people and saying "wanna be my friend", in the real world it just doesn't work that way, and you don't have what it takes to be seen as desirable, no matter how much you might pretend.

>>8062360
When you get older, when your life steers this far out of the norm, you can never return. There's no way to reboot it, no way to fix your past, when you have 10+ years of going in the wrong direction behind you, you'd have to spend 20+ years going in the right direction at double speed just to catch up with the average Joe, and he's been working at it at the same time too...

Perhaps you will continue to live life, and everything will be normal while your attention is occupied by study, work, tv, internet if you're lucky enough to have those distractions. But when you're tired of those you will start to crave for company. The basic need to tell people about yourself, about your experiences in life, about the things you enjoyed, to be a real human being.

If you do your chores outside, people you see will be in a different world, like looking through a shop window at something you could never afford. You'll realize your world is so much smaller than theirs. You'll see them talk on their phone and wonder what if you had someone to talk to. You'll see couples holding hands, eating ice cream, hugging... You'll start to wonder, or worse, remember what it feels like to be touched by someone special. You'll see people laughing and drinking and talking about their interests and you'll wonder what's so funny. Maybe it will be something that you know a lot about, that you could amuse and impress people with, if only there wasn't for that thick glass between you and them.

>>8062362
Soon you'll feel more alone than ever, you will feel empty, your life will start to seem meaningless, with no visible goals. You'll realize that you have separated yourself from society. You'll have lost your ability to enjoy company and laugh together with others, they'll seem different. You'll have lost your social skills and created mental barriers around yourself to stop getting people from getting close to you, you'll feel nervous or outright threatened when you are among people who fully enjoy themselves. Then comes the worst, when suddenly all these things become unbearable, all that natural need for social interaction and how much better it would be to have friends and how much you missed in your life until now. You'll realize that you need other people to live but the other people will never need you.

Then finally your brain will snap and you'll feel like the small world you live in is collapsing around you, you are suddenly filled with grief and sadness, it is overwhelming so much you could start to cry. You'll realize that nobody is there to hear you cry which makes it even worse and you have fallen so far that you cannot climb back up anymore. It is a downward spiral that just gets progressively worse and worse as time goes by.

>>8062363
And there is no way out. As we've concluded: you have to have friends to make friends, you have to have money to make money, you have to have a social backing of some sort to support you in your endeavors... if you truly have nothing, you can't get anything, short of someone taking pity on you and rebuilding your life for you, which won't happen, or some similar incredible stroke of luck.

Some people will tell you to just endure and that it gets better over time. It doesn't. Over 30 everyone half decent is married, or has been married multiple times. The rest are lesbians, still holding out for Mr. Perfect (6'4", blonde hair, blue eyes, 9" dick, rich, perfect personality, talented), even as their looks are completely ruined, or women with massive mental and physical issues who find solace in the fact that they can still get a reasonably attractive guy to have sex with them, and do this very, very often (despite being obese yaoi fans who smell like cat pee and dress in brown polyester pant suits). Male friends? Can't really make new ones after college or your first day of work.

As far as meeting new people in various public venues goes, over 25, you start having problems with bouncers. Over 30, you don't even want to go to those places...if they let you in, the people will make it very clear you're not welcome. Same thing goes for cons and concerts. Also, expect to get bullied and have pictures taken of even if you go out to eat by yourself.

>>8062367
If you're old and ugly, and decide to go for a prostitute, you'll find out they do refuse customers (or ask more than you can possibly afford). Sometimes their pimp will beat you up and still keep your money.

Life is cruel and unfair. By the time you're even aware enough of a personal flaw to care or want to fix it, it's too late. It's always been too late. You were born without the raw abilities that others take for granted. And it is only this raw ability that translates into value in the real world. Sometimes, because of institutions like schools or colleges, humans can convince themselves that "you get what you put in" in life. But the truth is that unless some valuable shit was "put in" when you were born, you will not succeed.

All that you were supposed to build up until now, you didn't, and you have no foundation to build things you're supposed to build in this part of your life, you'll always be an outsider, shunned, ostracized, looked upon as a creepy friendless loser, that's just human nature and the tribal instinct. No matter where you go and how you try to fit in, this will follow you.

>>8062369
Past a certain age, mid twenties to early thirties at the latest, if you haven't been living a very social lifestyle, you're fucked forever. Human life is structured in a way where the majority of people gain friends when they're forced to be with someone for a long period of time, and when they're still in their formative years. So highschool, college, work, army etc. And then in your mid-twenties people start leaving faster than you gain them and most people end up with very few friends at an old age.

You're reduced to experiencing what an average 75 year old man is experiencing: no social opportunities to interact with your peers and hang around them long enough for a friendship to develop. Even he has the option of going to a retirement community or various senior citizen clubs, events etc. A friendless person in a place in life where they're not supposed to be friendless can't really do anything because it's not socially acceptable, you just come off as a weirdo whatever you try.

Another problem with being a NEET or generally falling off track with life, is that all the goals that might make you start caring about life again are unattainable for you without years or decades of work, and you're so behind everyone else, that even if you're stupid you have to understand that you'll always lag, and things will only get worse no matter how hard you try.

>>8062372
If shit just sorted itself out in a matter of months or even a year, and you got into a normal life again, I'm sure most of you would be pretty good at it, surely not much worse than the average person. But to work against the whole world to even begin getting there, you have to be in an exceptionally great mental state, have support from your friends, social network, family, be attractive and rich and charming...

And of course, if you had that, you wouldn't have ended up like this in the first place...

The only people who will ever understand your situation are the same as you and don't know how to dig themselves out of their hole anymore. They have tried, it's not because of their inaction, they've been trying all their lives, and they have exhausted more options than anyone with a normal life could even think up as suggestions.

>>8062374
Fixing yourself isn't as simple as gazing at a picture of a snarling wolf on a yellow background, and that anyone would think that degree of "help" is actually helpful is offensively patronizing and serves only to breed further hatred and resentment for people as lucky as themselves: people who can just "make friends" and "go out" and "get laid" with a minimum of effort and not have their failures set them farther and farther back until there's no point in trying anymore.

There are no real answers that can be given aside from accept your situation and learn to cope with being alone your whole life. You've managed to make it this far, so just keep enduring. Maybe one day a miracle will come.

But don't bet on it.

You're a brain in a body in a world of your choosing. You read to extend your imagination, because that is the only thing that limits the richness of the world.

I did the student shit for a while but most of the people I met were as jaded as you, all stuck in a very small world, trying to be edgy and prove their value to other men and girlies. It is the most pointless period of my life. Honesty and joy were not even there. Sex and vodka were the only pleasures in a world of insecurity and ego.

If you need to find out for yourself go and try it out but I envied the guys in the back seat, who loved their books and were happiest walking in the rain from a lecturers office to the cafe with their couple of dorky friends or their qt girlfriend who never brushed her hair or wore makeup.

/lit/

Calm the fuck down

I'm here to help you

No need to thank me, just be grateful that even if your whole life is basically Bad Luck : The Life, you've got some small amount of it left to land on my post, which is the gateway to your second chance

It will be very tough

Even people who climb skyscrapers, firefighters, veterans from the army - close to every single male on this planet finds speaking up to an unknown attractive female the scariest thing in life

But why? Why doesn't that happen with your mother, sister? Or grandmother, or the waitress?

Because when you're trying to approach a female with no other reason than fucking her, you are in effect trying to TAKE from her, but your brain knows that you aren't giving anything (i.e being funny, social, having money, so on) and you get hit by an intense spike of performance anxiety

Look at it from this point of view: Take a hundred in your pocket and go outside, find the first stranger and give it to him. Just give it to him and tell him you won the lottery and you want to make people happy. As you're imagining this situation, you're probably feeling zero anxiety, right? You no longer notice or care about your body language, or the shit you say. All you can see is his smile.

Now try doing the opposite, try going to a random stranger and try asking him for $100. Imagine that very carefully. What happens now? Can you feel it, your brain trying to come up with any logical reason not to do it? "He will laugh at me and I'll most likely get slapped like those social experiment videos on youtube"

That's exactly what's wrong with 90% of the males nowadays. They approach a female with the intention to TAKE from her - to take her sex, while being fully conscious that they aren't really GIVING anything in return - be it a fun time, status, money, so on. Their brain fires up and comes up with absolutely any reason not to do it. Yes, it's actually that fucking simple

What you should do instead is approach females with the mindset that you already have a 10/10 waiting in your bed RIGHT NOW, but you went out to have some fun with other people. You didn't speak to the girl to fuck her, you spoke because your life is fucking FUN and you wanted to share a part of that with her. As for should you actually work on achieving such a life or intensely delude yourself, that's up to you.

>>8062372
>Past a certain age, mid twenties to early thirties at the latest, if you haven't been living a very social lifestyle, you're fucked forever.

Is this how you convince yourself that its okay to be alone?

It must be terrible living under that perception.

>>8062567
Scram normie

>>8062567
>missing the point this hard
How are you even on /lit/?

What do I do when hot girls approach me at clubs (and/or want to dance with me)?

I never know what to say to them and they think I'm not interested, but I am.

>>8060827

I disagree with this completely.

>>8062689
Grab them by the waist and dagger them

>>8062554
most people dont have fun lives and they no problem finding romantic partners

Being stupid doesn't sound all that bad. I'm wasting the 'good years', i.e. good shape, body, healthy, etc, by accumulating what I would be accumulating if I were older. When I am older there'd be nothing left to do other than reflect back on what I haven't done with life, and be dehumanized by the helpers at a senior's home.

What's better, to be an 'educated' shut in who's into various things and has many interests, or to be out, party and do all those things other people do? Do you think it'll pay off one day, or am I wasting my youth and those people will get to where I'm now in years anyway?

Those living 'the good (albeit """shallow""") life', look pretty happy to me. I don't even know what a woman's caress feels like aside from my mum's, so it'd be wrong to judge without properly indulging in. Not to mention those saving graces only remind how shitty life is to begin with.

I don't know anymore.

>>8062726
I don't think you can grasp how boring the lives of most of the people complaining ITT actually are

There's not being rich and just normal and "boring" with your average job, then there's fucking 14 hours of non-stop shitposting at /int/ or /tv/

But even so, how fun your life is is just one example of offering value. Another is being funny, or very social and nice to talk to, or being attractive or fit. The more you lack value, the less of a valuable female you will attract.

Those average people you're talking about having boring lives but managing to find a mate, they do so because they're offering value in another form, or surrender and find low-value mates. Some of them are fully relying on luck, which is an option, sure, but look at your life so far and think again if you'd want to rely on luck anymore.

>>8062379
Jesus christ, I hope this was pasta and you didn't spend hours typing up why you will never be happy and should never even try to change that.
All this accomplished was setting up an airtight defense for you being unhappy. You've asserted that any method of changing your life is a waste of time that's only useful to people who don't understand you. Even if this was true, so fucking what? You're gonna spend the rest of your life posting on /r9k/ and moping about how other people had better opportunities than you?
Even if all of those assertions are true (which they clearly aren't -- many of the people you're arguing with, including myself, used to be just as lonely and suicidal as you, but have improved themselves), what we're still left with is that you're miserable with your life. All we've proved here today is that you have no interest in changing it and are going to remain a bitter robot forever.

Try Buddhism, Taoism, or read Heraclitus.

>his main goal in life is related to human interaction

>>8063333
what other kind of goal are u going to have u ascetic spooklord?

The massive wall of text guy is wrong, r-right /lit/?

>>8062813
let me guess, you once went 2 months without a gf but then you manned up and beed yourself, and that means anyone can

when i was in college i remember at least two dude who were relatively ugly, mediocre to bizarre fashion sense, and just kind of bad social skills, but chicks still dug them...i mean there were a million chads too don't get me wrong, but i'm just saying wack dudes can get pussy to if they have some kind of charisma, basically it all comes down to being confident in urself i guess...on the other hand last time i was on the campus of my alma mater i was in the library and some guy had his hand down his girl's pants at the alcove at the bottom of the stairs leading into the academic journal area, and i was triggered back to my angsty days of betatude...so i feel u dude, but seriously u just have to have that confident swag like u just doing ur own thing, idk man

>>8063370
sorry this isnt a youtube comments section

>>8062806
>people are either "deep" shutins like me or "shallow" ppl who get laid

so what are you going to do when you mean a 28 years old literature phd who teaches at some elite nyc school and fucks mad chicks all weekend when he's not teaching intro to literary theory or some shit? kill urself? that's the problem with using resenftul slave morality to "otherize" people with the will to do what u don't have the balls to do, one day u will meet someone who is better than u at the shit u built your identity and values around AND they also get a ton of pussy, then u can either stop being a bitch or i donno kill urself i guess

>>8063382
stay mad nerd

>>8063397
dont have a stroke
youve clearly already like 8 from the way you type lol

>>8063405
u effectively live the life of someone incapacitated by a stroke, so same to u, shutinlord

>>8063424
sorry i literally cant parse what youre saying because im not a retard
maybe you should get your tard-wrangler to translate for you next time

>>8061017
You're talking shit

>>8060930
Sounds like you're a fag

>>8060631
Yeah, just look at all these fit, talented and intelligent people who make up 99% of relationships!

>>8060651
I know a lot of people who are in the relationships just so they don't feel worthless.

>>8061857
>and to get a girl you need to trick them into loving you
>The dating game is all about manipulation.
You disgust me.