/lit/ - Literature

>>801938
I like books but I study accounting.

1. You need to train your trolling skills..that was pathetic.

2. Not literature.

>>801943
Well yea forgot to add business majors. Those don't get much respect either for not being "smart".

>>801944
Hey man no need to get mad, I myself am an English major. I was just wondering about this question for a while.

Liberal Arts is what people take when they have no idea what the fuck they want to do. Also, about 50% of people I know who are in liberal arts are morons.

>>801953

This is a pretty accurate answer. Engineering/science/math majors generally go on to do something useful, while Liberal Arts majors generally go on to write bad poetry while working at the local convenience store.

>>801953

>Liberal Arts is what people take when they have no idea what the fuck they want to do.

In my experience, those people major in Business.

>>801964

Someone needs to work at a convenience store. It's not like working at NASA is more useful that having access to food at the corner.

>>801969
Definitely. Business is another major people take when they don't know what they want to do. To be honest, BA's in general tend to be that way.

>>801953

Or, you know, they have no interest in the maths and sciences and would rather study philosophy, English, sociology, theatre, history, etc. I always see it as being science and math and business are more practical, but many of the people within those fields are only interested in getting jobs. Those in the liberal arts are often those who feel truly passionate about something and want to study even if they won't have an easy time of finding a job after getting their degree.

I'm a Drama major and I know that that's how I feel. Whether I'm acting, directing, playwrighting, or studying the history or philosophical implications the theatre, I feel fulfilled and like I'm truly doing something. If I had gone into the maths and sciences, sure, I'd be more secure, but I wouldn't have the same sense of fulfilment.

Hi, 4.0 GPA philosophy major. Did honours.
Am applying to Oxford for masters, then doctorate.
Enjoy your butthurt.

Farmers feed cities.

Some people major in liberal arts because it's really what they want. Then there's the morons who do it because it's "easy" and they can concentrate on partying. Guess who gives you guys a bad name?

>>801975
And most people in the science fields do it for the wonder and curiosity, so that they can understand the secrets of the nature and contribute by perhaps discovering even more.

>>801953
Liberal arts major here, I'd say 85% are complete morons, maybe even higher. If anyone things liberal arts majors are stupid they should see the education majors. Talk about a vat of stupidity, I was literally the ONLY one in an education class(before I dropped the edu minor) who believe in evolution. That's fucking pathetic it has basically been proven. Worse yet, they admitted to being creationists.

pic related my face

read Nietzsche about martyrs, i think i remember it being in human, too human. might feed your reflexion.

>>801990
Do you live in little town, butt fuck nowhere?
There's your problem.
Get into a real university.

>>801975
By no means was I generalizing and saying everyone taking a liberal arts degree was stupid. I was implying that these types of programs typically attract people who don't have a passion. That is not to say that there aren't people who choose liberal arts majors as a very conscious direction.

>>801988
Yea honestly most people major in arts because it's easier or because they weren't smart enough for science/math in high school.

>>801990
Unless things have changed since I went to school, education is 90% fat chicks who "OMG I LURV CHILDRENZ!!!" their way in to a degree choice.

>>801990
thinks*
believed*
That is*

sorry guys it has been a long night.

>>801996
Ah yes, I am always hesitant to say things like that because a majority of liberal arts majors at my university are there for education (it's the biggest education school in the state). The people in higher level classes however actually have insight into the works. 100 level classes were HELL to sit through though just listening to idiots blather about their religious beliefs in comparison with different texts.
*shivers*

>>802007
basically, I know a middle school ed major who didn't know africa from south america... SOPHMORE YEAR OF COLLEGE... for christs sake.

>>801988

You say people take liberla arts when they don't know what to do, I look around and see most science majors sabotaging others to get into med school and engineers getting drunk all day and night broing it up. Goes both ways.

>>802003
In my college, the business majors are the dumb ones, and the English and Psych majors are the hardest ones.

Then again, it's a private college, and one of the top non-Ivy League schools for English in the country. I really think it depends on what college you're attending. At a school that focuses on science, science degrees will be harder. At a school focusing on English and liberal arts, those degrees will be more difficult.

Individuals and groups from diverse sub-cultures, ethnicities, histories, genders and generations make meaning in the context of significant spaces. These spaces can be private or public, idiosyncratic or monumental. This unit will give opportunity for students to investigate a range of specific private, public, contested and heritage-recognised sites. It will also introduce students to a range of practical and theoretical skills for reading the processes of meaning-making in such sites. Preceding from semester one of cultural studies, the approach will be inter-disciplinary and will combine individual responses to sites with guided reading from amongst history, semiotics, gender studies, architecture and technology.

- Deakin University Course Guide, ACS102 - Spaces of Desire: Doing Cultural Studies (B)

>>802030

Please tell me you go to Bloomsburg.

>>801938
1. Go to /lit/
2. Subtly imply that liberal arts are useless
3. ?????
4.No profit, but sit back at your comfy chair with a malicious grin.

Liberal arts is mental masturbation (coming from a political theory and philosophy student).

>>802035
You know no fucking clue. Engineering on average have TWO TIMES as many hours of class as you faggots do, and on top of the we get a shit ton of labs, not to mention other studying.

>>802683
Argument from authority much?

ｗWW._aNoN_+_Ｍ_-_m_+_ＴalＫ_.SＥ iyxebj v df g i oxljwua pfujssfktxpcc dvicjq

>>802035
You know no fucking clue. Engineers on average have TWO TIMES as many hours of class as you faggots do, and on top of that we get a shit ton of labs, not to mention other studying.

For me, science is a career. Literature and the arts make up my free time.

>>802708

>>802030

English Education major here. I agree with the general 'anti-ed' stance in this thread. I've seen so many morons in my ed classes(especially the general prereq ed classes, like Intro to Ed).

I've also seen a handful of genuinely smart and interested people, and I like to think those are the only ones who will end up being successful teachers. Though this is mostly for my own comfort.

People who do not value the liberal arts do not value those who do.

>>802718
We can only pray. I don't know how people can want to have children that go to public schools after dealing with most people. I will give you that there are people that genuinely love it and are interested, sadly it is a small minority.
>>802030
Illinois State actually

>>802721
Actually I love arts. Though I think art majors are pathetic. If you like arts, you don't have to be taught shit, it's all natural.

>>802735

Getting a degree in it is pretty much the only way to have a career in that field. Having an English degree more easily allows you to become an author, a critic, etc. To be a philosopher you need a PhD. To be an actor you need a degree in the theatre. To be a sociologist you need a degree in sociology.

It may come naturally, but you still need the fucking degree. You may be a scientific genius, but you still need the PhD to do anything with your genius in the modern world.

>>802748
Wrong. In science, you have to be taught things. How the fuck are you supposed to know, for example, what an anomalous magnetic moment is NATURALLY?

Well one reason liberal arts is bullshit because if you have any artistic talent college isn't necessary for success I mean how many uber rich rock stars have music degrees?

>>802768
There isn't even a useful definition of natural, bro.

>>802768

I meant that you may be able to learn things incredibly quickly and be naturally apt at learning such things, like those few individuals who can go into university at the age of 12 to get a degree, but if those people studied on their own they still would not be able to do anything with their knowledge. Those who are incredibly intelligent when it comes to the arts still need to go to university to get their degree, and while there they can obtain insight from professionals who have studied in their field. Natural ability is not enough in this day and age.

Scientists and engineers contribute to society.

Liberal arts faggots don't.

>>802774
See, this is why everyone thinks liberal arts majors are retarded. Naturally, the brain has evolved to appreciate rythmic sound, and naturally some people are better at music than others. Naturally, your brian has not evolved to know quantum mechanics.

Most people I know that hate those with liberal arts degrees hate education. They are the type of people that believe they self-taught all they know, even though they went to school for 10+ years.
Why do people hate teachers so much?
The whole "those who can't do, teach" fallacy is ridiculous.

Hard science degrees are more practical.

>>802782

But some are far better at learning such things. Just as one has a knack for music, one can have a knack for numbers and formulas. One can struggle at the sciences while another can breeze through. It still applies.

>>802789
If you have a knack for music, you don't have to be taught anything to produce it. If you have a knack for science, you still have to be taught most of it.

>>802781

So art and culture don't matter within society? Great works of literature, theatre, and great musical compositions don't matter? Our society is founded upon art and culture. It's one of the things that separates from every other species on Earth. One of the first signs of intelligence in humans was being able to create fire and being able to create crude statues and necklaces. Art and science. They're both equally important for entirely different reasons.

>>802784
I don't think people hate teachers as much as they hate bad teachers and have had terrible experiences with people who just want the paycheck. Anyone who thinks they learned all they know from themselves is an idiot. Just about everything is based on knowledge from past people.

>>802795
>They're both equally important

Hope you're joking.

>>802793

You still have to learn musical theory to do anything of worth. Popular music is entirely different from classical and if you want to truly create musical art you need to study for years and years. Just as there are child prodigies for music. Here some examples of child prodigies in the field of Physics.

"Tathagat Avatar Tulsi received an undergraduate degree at 10 years old."
"Song Yoo-geun entered the university at eight years old"
"Kim Ung-Yong attended university physics courses at four years old, and received a Ph.D in physics before 16 years old."

He entered university at four years old! How can you not say that that is natural proficiency?

>>802808
Thanks for proving those child prodigies had to be TAUGHT science.

Child prodigies in music are simply able to play good music without high school or university.

>>802803
See it's hard to place objective importance on such things. Things that matter to certain individuals don't matter at all to others. We're all limited to our likes and dislikes, our opinions if you will. It is totally determined by the individual. In a society that values art, we will teach our children to value art. In a society that values math and science, we teach our children to value math and science. Equal treatment is important because we realize no one can value anything objectively.

>>802781
It was liberal arts faggots that developed scientific theory.

>>802803

I'm really not. Civilization wouldn't be able to sustain itself without art. For as long as humans have been around they've been telling stories and making music. It's innately within us. Science tells us where life comes from and how things work, but we still need art to tear us away from cold mortality. We need in on an emotional level. It's a part of the human condition. They're important for entirely different reasons, as I said. You don't think so, but I do.

Just look at the Soviet Union. Would you want to live in a country like that? Cold, purely practical, devoid of artistic merit?

>>802821
Without science humanity would probably have been wiped out by natural disasters like disease and stuff. We'd be stuck without fire or houses. And in the future, science will allow us to stop things like asteroids which would be guranteed to wipe out humanity. Science being able to preserve humanity makes it infinitly superior.

>>802815

So child prodigies in music just banged at keys on a piano and sounded good? No, they had to be taught how to play, how to read music, different time signatures, musical theory, and still most only produce art of value in adulthood. Just being able to play it isn't the same as understanding and being able to create it.

>>802828
>implying science does not entertain people
>implying mortality is anything to fear

>>802798

I've seen my share of bad teachers in my school and I'd have to agree. Most are around for a year so that they can travel around Thailand while still having some sort of income. Most of them are young and broken and teaches middle school English classes.

I still had good teachers for my high school classes, some of which I still keep correspondence. I owe them many things.

>>802835
LOL WUT
>implying humanity wasn't surviving perfectly fine before and after the plague.
It helps us to survive sure, but who wants to merely survive?

>>802781
>>802781
lulz.

A society without art and culture is worthless.

>>802035
In my experience, engineering majors are the most likely to really help and explain something to you. There are so many concepts related to that education that there WILL be times when you are completely lost.

Liberal arts such as theater, music, dance are in my experience the most likely to be unhelpful or stab you in the back. More supply than demand.

>>802853
>>implying humanity could stop an asteroid without science and survive

>>802854

But we never appreciate a piece of culture till the flow of it has stopped. I mean, Van Gogh wasn't as highly acclaimed when he was still alive.

"Nature's imagination is so much greater than man's"
-Richard Feynman

Science is much more interesting and meaningful than any art.

>>802842

For a ton of people mortality is something to fear. You may be a Superman, devoid of fear of rotting in the ground, but a lot of people fear their own end.

We obviously have very different views of the world. Science keeps us moving forward, but the arts are the insulation upon which society stands. Without literature, theatre, music, or (to a far lesser extent but growing in importance) cinema, humanity never would have gotten to where it is. It isn't about simple entertainment. It's about hitting someone on a gut level and going past what's around you. I firmly believe that there's only the material world, but it's within the deeper meaning of the arts that people find solace. Science is for the greater good, but art is something that is personal and unique to everyone. That's why I personally feel that it's just as important. It sustains us emotionally and mentally, from the most intelligent right down to those who enjoy nu-metal. Science and Art are both deep within us, both arising out of human curiosity, and they are both the foundations of our species.

>>802864

>implying we'll be able to stop an asteroid

>>802863

>Liberal arts such as theater, music, dance are in my experience the most likely to be unhelpful or stab you in the back. More supply than demand.

You need to hang around less jerks, good sir.

God damn guys, this argument is older than the Internet.

Science makes the world go around, it powers our homes, heals the sick, enables us to communicate across oceans and continents within minutes (seconds, even), etc. In the modern era, science and math are the manna with which we survive.

HOWEVER, the arts make life enjoyable. Even the stuffiest scientist loves a good book or their favorite music. The arts tell history and allow the modern era to look back into the past. We are humans; we need to enjoy life, and be creative, and feel this ethereal connection that can only be achieved through the arts.

Science and the arts are both equally important, for different reasons.

>>802735

>If you like arts, you don't have to be taught shit, it's all natural.

This is just about the silliest myth surrounding art. Ask any accomplished author how they became what they are, they'll tell you they first read a lot and wrote a lot; that is, they studied their craft. Hunter S. Thompson rewrote classics. Dostoevsky translated them into Russian. Any accomplished painter, any sculptor, composer, etc., you'll get the same answer. For most it's unstructured study, but even then not all--Da Vinci was apprenticed to Verrocchio, Botticelli to some dude whose name I forget but who cares.

>>802869
Artist appreciation and being alive are usually disproportionate

>>802875
Science provides more solace for me than any art ever could. It helps me appreciate everything around me, understand the very secrets of nature and everything going on around me from the quantum level to life.

>>802876
>Implying we cant just send Aerosmith to do it.

>>802863

I have never experienced people in the liberal arts stabbing each other in the back. Those kinds of degrees can be used in so many different ways if you know how to market them. The worst I see are those who want to go into med school. The competition is so fierce that they will gladly fuck each other over in order to get a better grade than the other person.

>>801936
ｗＷW._ANOＮ_+_ｍ_-_ｍ_+_ｔAlＫ_.Ｓｅ y wu qacfteb oqfufguf ssajjmk cjkerjqyrv vfw

>>HOWEVER, the arts make life enjoyable. Even the stuffiest scientist loves a good book or their favorite music. The arts tell history and allow the modern era to look back into the past. We are humans; we need to enjoy life, and be creative, and feel this ethereal connection that can only be achieved through the arts.

WRONG. Science does all that and more. Also, see: >>802873

>>802864
>implying bruce willis will ever die
>implying science isn't responsible for every weapon on earth

Even as a future Finance and Accounting major I must admit there's something wonderful about science. It's so imaginative yet so practical.

The funniest thing in this thread is that guy who said you need a degree to be an actor. I almost spit my coffee all over the keyboard. Thanks for that laugh.

>>802905
>>implying that means we could stop an asteroid

>>802876
We can already you idiot. A simple push at a distance will change the trajectory enough such that by the time it gets to Earth it will be off mark by a large margin.

>>802905

We'll still find a way to kill each other even without science.

>>802877
>>802891
Just my experience guys. I'm an engineering major and never met anyone who was unwilling to help. My sister was a dance major and, despite having many friends, there were always some jealous ones.

>>802886

And as I said, we both have incredibly different opinions on the matter. For me, though science is incredibly interesting, I do not get that same feeling of fulfilment as watching a play and diving into it to analyze its meaning and commentary on humanity and society.

You may say that science is the arts and more, but that is your own personal opinion. It's on an individual basis as to what stirs someone's mind and makes them think about the world and makes them passionate. Mine is theatre, and nothing stirs me more emotionally than either being on stage or studying the stage and how it affects others and can spread a message. It's an entirely different field, but it most likely stirs within me what science stirs within you.

>>802914
No one is discounting science's usefulness. Everyone in this thread needs to STFU. No higher thinking is required to survive. Look at bacteria or a worm, it is a basic biological function to survive.

>>802940
Notice how it's hard to make useful thoughts when you're mad (as demonstrated by your post)?. Calm down.

>>802915

If you want to be a serious actor, yes. Someone who wants to actually be in a work of art. For schlock, any attractive Joe Schmo can audition. But when it comes to knowing the methods and theory and movement, an education and study in theatre is the only way.

Also, let me offer another perspective. I've always been musically inclined, and I'm a decent writer. Someone asked me awhile ago why I chose science over music and it's actually a pretty easy answer:

If you do something practical that you enjoy, you can make enough money to be able to enjoy other things like music, writing, the arts etc. If you choose music or writing as a living, you flat out aren't going to make any money. Yes, everyone knows "some guy" who became a successful author or musician, but the truth is it's so unlikely that it's almost moot. 99.9% of musicians and writers are broke.

Pick a major that is actually useful. Do arts in your spare time with all that extra money you make.

>>802940

Get your head out of your ass.

>>802952

>>802950

That's pretty much my plan also. I still find it hard to be inspired enough to pursue a career I don't even want to be in though. How are you dealing with that?

>>802965

>>802828
Ironically, the Soviet Union fell because it was impractical. It was not economically sustainable, due to be centrally planned, and capitalism crept its way in to dismantle it.

Its idealism made it suffer. Kind of like liberal arts majors.

>late post

Two possible reasons:
1) Liberal arts english/journalism/acting majors are attempting to major in something that one can only 'learn so much' because it is mostly a talent issue.
2) Liberal arts philosophy/turf science/language majors are learning something that does require some know-how, but will get you a job either teaching your major or, more likely, working at Pizza Hut, or doing menial temp work.

Science/math/engineering majors are "smart" and "respectable" because they learn things that require know-how, and then immediately become sutured into a job which requires them to apply the knowledge. While 'anyone' can put in the time/effort to do these things (ie, this is not talent based and actually requires college-level skills to be able to do), not everyone chooses to.

Seriously, failed med students/science/math/engineering majors end up as liberal arts or business majors.
Failed business majors end up as liberal arts majors.
Seriously, liberal arts sucks all of the failed other things into it. Not to say that every lib. arts major is a failure. Just saying that that is where the failure from other majors end up.

>>802793
>If you have a knack for music, you don't have to be taught anything to produce it
Jesus christ. I'm doing Physics so you'd think I'd be on your side but you have NO idea how wrong you are.

>>802950

>something practical that you enjoy

Yeah, that doesn't exist for everyone.

>>803011

>but will get you a job either teaching your major or, more likely, working at Pizza Hut

Why is a job at Pizza Hut more likely than teaching?

>>803031

Because there's a hell of a lot more difficulty involved in teaching than in working at Pizza Hut.
And plenty of people think teaching is a completely crap job. The hours are okay enough, until you realize that more time will be spent in bureaucratic meetings, either with the school administrators or the parents, than actually teaching. And many people are annoyed by kids, and wouldn't want to 'babysit' middle or elementary school kids for 8 hours a day.

>>803040

I feel bad for teachers in America. The pay is crap there. In most other countries teachers are well-paid. Here in Canada it's incredibly difficult to become a teacher because of the massive amounts of competition. Only those with extremely high GPAs get into teacher's college after getting their bachelor's, and even then a Master's degree is preferable. The pay is great, the benefits are amazing, two months off a year and a decent pension after you retire at age 55. It's a dream job for a lot of people. My Economics teacher in high school raved about it all day every day.

>>803015
Well I have a noble prize in the arts, so you'd think I know.

>>803040

So you're assuming Lib Arts majors will just automatically pick the easier, lower paying job?

>>803051

>The pay is great

Hahaha no it isn't

>the benefits are amazing

Yes they are.

I study linguistics and computer science at a liberal arts college with no majors or GPAs and narrative evaluations in place of grades.

Best of both worlds bitches.

>>803051

The pay isn't that bad here. You'll never be rich, but you'll be comfortable. We get the awesome benefits, time off, and retirement too.

>>802970

I guess I'm lucky that I also thoroughly enjoy the sciences.

I genuinely have a hard time believing that there are intelligent people out there who have no other interests other than writing or music. I don't know many intelligent people who can't find one practical thing they enjoy doing. The only ones I do know like that are just lazy.

>>803055

No.
I'm saying that some of them will.
And some of them will try to teach, and THEN pick the easier job.
Keep in mind, lib. arts majors include failed other majors who opted for the easy route before.

I brain dead monkey can get a liberal arts degree.

A brain dead monkey can get a liberal arts degree.

>>803056

100k a year is not bad. Not grea,t but with the benefits it more than evens out.

>>803075

Doesn't mean that they'll be able to do anything with it.

>>803051
Teachers don't make bad money here. Sure, High School teachers were I live only make about $35,000 a year. You have to consider other things though. A three bedroom brick house were I live costs about $90,000.

>>803087
Of course they won't, it's useless.

>my major can beat up your major

You guys really need to grow up.

>>803123
Like /v/ and it's consolewars, I have to assume major arguments are a manifestation of buyer's remorse.

No remorse here. Six years in college studying physics and I came out of it with a job supporting radiation oncology paying $120k a year right off when I was 24.

I only knew a handful of liberal arts people but most of them are back home living with mommy and daddy.

>>803096
$35 000 a year, dear god that is barely above the poverty level here.

people in those subjects are smart, liberals arts majors listen to whatever books tell them

>>803182
Everyone listens to what books tell them. It's not like creativity is a very important virtue to have.

>>803182

> implying science/math majors don't learn from textbooks

because you just take basic classes in every area of art?

the liberal arts kids at my school piss all of the kids in an actual arts program off. i'm an art student and i'm SO SICK of them coming in and saying how "yeah, art is great but i want to ~explore~ other arts so yeah haha you guys are stuck here ETC ETC"

>>803182

I mean engineers think more than liberal arts majors.

ALL LIBERAL ARTS MAJORS DO IS COMPLAIN AND WRITE A BOOK ON HOW BUTTHURT THEY ARE. ENGINEERS COMPLAIN, FUCKING RAGE, AND CHANGE THE WORLD.

Scientists find new problems, engineers solve problems.

Liberal arts majors write about how the problems make them feel.

Anyone can bitch, with any degree of skill; thus, liberal arts majors lack novelty in their assumed profession.

Additionally, engineers and scientists have a set of skills of which liberal arts is a strict subset. I can have a mechanical engineer write just as well as an English major (we have to in our reports), but can an English major design machines rigorously or do failure analysis? Fuck no.

A mathematician can pose questions about moral actions and their outcomes, but can a philosopher write about rings and fields? No.

Because liberal arts major in such 'innate' and 'basic' fields as art, language, and music, they lose any real special status. They may be superlative at their chosen topic, but they're hardly special in the useful sense.

That is why science/engineering majors are respected: we've gone and done something that isn't just a 'human talent'.

>>804218

Did you really need to bump this thread with your hate?

Pretty much.

>>804218

>I can have a mechanical engineer write just as well as an English major (we have to in our reports)

hahahahHAHAHAHAHA

>>802873
science and nature is meaningless

>>804255
Yeah that was the point where I lost all ability to take the post seriously.

>>801938
>>801938
>>801938

That may be true, but look at it this way: if you can't do basic math (especially if you're a woman) then "It's alright, math just isn't your thing" but if you've never read the classics then you're stupid.

(posted on /mu/ also)

>>804284

>but if you've never read the classics then you're stupid.

I have never heard anyone make fun of someone else for not having read The Iliad.

>>804291
You're on /lit/ now, pleb.

>>804291

Yeah, but we all think it.

>>804291

The real question is:

Would you make fun of them for skipping the part with the boats and lineages?

>>804308
Yes, because that part was awesome.

students in general don't get any respect.
respect is mainly gained after you are done with your formal education.

>>802781
>Scientists and engineers contribute to society.
Yeah, and all they ask back for is a few million dollars.

You can't compare the supposed inherent value of philosophy vs. science.

I'm surprised that some newfag troll hasn't just said both are equally useless, probably because he'd be right in part, not something for which newfag trolls are renowned.

Science examines things empirically. By its nature it can solve things within a fixed objective world of physical laws.

Philosophy examines the un"answer"able permutations of the interpreting, existing human mind. Philosophy doesn't claim that it answers anything. I don't think it needs to. The consolation of philosophy is not in collective technological development, but in individual edification. Satisfaction, happiness by a means of learning on matters of consciousness than by a means of comfort born of scientific endeavours.

The bulk of this thread is concerned with practicality. Which is slightly ironic, considering we are all here clearly snubbing the name of practice in favour of venting our intellectual immaturities on 4chan. Gratz.

But yes, in terms of material practicality, Science fucks shit up. Undisputed. But material practicality is a terribly limited system on which to judge two completely different modes of thought and learning.

tl;dr You are retarded and smallminded to try and compare two completely different things that have different aims. QED 4chan is comprised largely of overcompensating science majors/dropouts

>>801938
>that major in liberal arts

A major is a specialisation in an academic discipline. "Liberal arts" is not an academic discipline. It might be a degree title, but it is not a major.

>>804275

My first academic paper was rejected from publication because of poor writing, not for poor content. Believe it or not, reputable journals do require the manuscripts to be well-written.

>>804429
Shit sucks, and then you rewrite and resubmit.

>Seems like people who major in engineering/science/math are always called "smart" and "respectable"

Only the engineering/science/math majors say that.