/lit/ - Literature

>>7952869
Hitchens was awesome, what the fuck are you talking about?

Dawkins is thataway

We all make mistakes.

>>7952877
lol

>>7952875
Honestly he is not that bad but people like Dawkins and Harris are being associated with him and it is making him seem a lot worse.

>>7952869
Hitchens had two issues.

1. Pro Iraq War. I can guarantee he would have changed his mind by now.

2. Pro Choice - however his arguments were good arguments although I still disagree.

He was a great orator. He was intelligent. He spoke his mind calmly. And he did it all while shithammered. He was an elegant journalist and he refused to back down from what he saw was the right thing.

The Hitchslap was a good guy. Go back to /pol/ where the actual fedoras are.

>>7952888
his buttbuddy sam harris is still pro-Iraq

>>7952896

Yeah, but Sam Harris is an edgelord.

>>7952897
Hitchens was too. Proof: OP’s pic

>>7952904
He pretty clearly just has a hardon for Camus

>>7952875
>>7952885
What's wrong with Dawkins?

>>7952924
>>>/r/atheism

>>7952924

>>7952924
He is a scientist yet he acts like a 12-25 year old youtube atheist.
"Hey guys watch me debate another creationist hur dur"
"You know all the animals can't actually fit on an ark, haha, dumb christfags"

It is worse that he is a respectable scientist because we know he has better things to do than try and prove that the Earth is older that 6000years.
I would say he needs to grow up, but he is already an old man.

>>7952913
He looks fucking awful though. Camus was pretty sexy.

>>7952888
lmao pro-choice is an issue
go back to pol you retard

>>7952959
http://philosophy.sexy/ranking

>>7952959
Camus had the good graces to be photographed by low-definition black and white cameras. If only we could all be so fortunate.

>>7952869
kek

>>7952967
The two tenets of the pro-life movement I think are as follows,

1. The unborn is human
2. All humans are of equal value

Which do you disagree with?

>>7952904
>>7952869
nigga pls. you probably still think it's edgy to smoke. i bet you're ugly to boot. fucking underagefag. get b&

>>7953005
My whole thing is why allow a life to truly start if that life is going to be shitty or lacking in promise? Fuck that. Mercy killing baby

The OP's photo is literally all you need to know about Hitchens. He's essentially cosplaying as Camus there. He's trying to imitate a man who is certainly a hero of his, and he wants to capture some of Camus' coolness and iconic imagery. However, it just comes across as goofy and tryhard. If you don't know about Camus, you see the picture and still think Hitchens looks dumb. If you do know about Camus, you see the picture and think Hitchens looks even MORE dumb, because you know the famous photo he's imitating and realize just how bad a job he's doing.

So that's Hitchens. Shallow as a puddle, fagging about in the shadow of greater men, always convinced he was so much cooler than he actually was.

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>>7953115
you're trying really hard, kiddo. A for effort.

>>7953005
The unborn is not human. Alive, but not human. Are you committing mass genocide when you master bate?

>>7953228
I'm smarter than Hitchens and you probably are too.

>>7953232
Well, the Catholic Church says yes you are. That's why Catholics aren't allowed to masturbate.

>>7953231
bitch, you dont know me

>>7953236
Catholic here, that's not the reasoning you fucking idiot

>>7953309
lmao I'm sure the reason Catholics can't jack off is just as logically sound as that other posters assertion

>>7953232
No, because sperm cells are not human. When the sperm meets egg, that's a human. If you disagree, when does it become human?

>>7953236
The reason Catholics (and Protestants) aren't allowed to masturbate is because lust pretty much has to be involved, and lust is a sin.

>>7953232
How is a 5-hour-old baby different from a baby that is about to be born? They both have essentially the same ability to understand themselves as continuous beings and hold preferences

>>7953316
There’s reasons not to masturbate to anime 11 times a day that don’t involve it being murder, my good fedora’d gentleman

Hitchens was a shitty speaker who's only cards were strawmans and ad hominems
I'm an atheist and I have no idea why he is looked up to so much

>>7953321
it also mentions somewhere in I think Genesis that it is a sin to "waste your seed"

>>7953335
That's context sensitive. God told some guy to get a woman pregnant, but he didn't want to, so he pulled out. It's not the act itself that's sinful, but doing it in this case was disobedience to God.

>>7953325
dont shift the goalposts. catholics are against all masturbation, not just that of basement-dwelling neets

>>7952888

>1. Pro Iraq War. I can guarantee he would have changed his mind by now.

I'm a big fan of Hitch and I'm actually unsure about this. Depending on how you look at it he was either exactly right about Iraq, or totally wrong. Because he did mention that the fight against Islamofascism would be a long one, and he did discuss the formation of a new caliphate.

I would need to look into the specifics to be sure, but I certainly don't think it is guaranteed he would have changed his mind about Iraq.

>>7953374
right? this nigga knows catholic reasoning for denying masturbation is foolish.
i don't have anything against christianity or religion in general, but one must admit that a good portion of religious beliefs are dumb.

>>7953321
Lust is only part of the reason. The ban on masturbation is the same as the ban on birth control, condoms, and anal sex. It all flows from the idea that sex creates life, and that the creation of life is the divinely ordained purpose of sex. Therefore, every sexual act that isn't for the purposes of procreation, or that interferes with procreation, is against the will of God, and so it's sinful.

>>7953405
Well, I'm a Protestant. We have sex for pleasure as well as having kids.

>>7952869
>trying to be Camus

>>7953405
>against the will of God

then tell that pussy faggot to come down here and do something about it

brb, fucking my bitch in the ass

>>7953420
See this picture is so much more effortless than Hitchens'. Hitch looks like he's trying really hard, Camus looks like he's not trying at all.

>>7953321
It's not human until the brain is fully functioning.

>>7953428
>come down here and do something about it

Why do you think AIDS exists?

>>7953440
Define "fully functioning".

>>7953444
plenty of people assfuck without getting AIDS

gonna go full fedora here for a minute but it's necessary: a lot of the shit religious proles attribute to "god" is just coincidentally convergent social engineering. ie jewish hygiene rules that were necessary for survival and helped them survive so long (basic shit like "bury your poop") were passed down as jewish relugious rules, because "god will be angry if you don't bury your shit" is more effective and less boring than "it's bad for your health if you leave your shit sitting around in the house"

similarly the calvinist/protestant strain of protestant christfaggotry is still around today because it's a virulent self perpetuating mind meme that strongly selects for low iq people and is great at sticking around. what better way to encourage people to come into and stick with the faith than to tell them they will suffer for eternity if they don't?

it's like a roko's basilisk for non autistic people

>>7953492
whoops meant "calvinist/puritan"

>>7953409
So do Catholics, you megachurch-attending plebeian

>>7953492
I think you could interpret those facts in another way and say that, while God's intervention in the world can often be observed, it's rarely particularly showy. Atheists are always after some dramatic display of divine power, but God so often is much more subtle than that. He's the gentle whisper instead of the rockslide or the fire or the wind.

wasn't he memeing camus ironically?

>>7953644
I have no idea. I always see this picture with no idea of the context behind it.

>>7952869
holy shit op is serious somebody make get him to god immediately!

>>7953623
if you were a low iq prole who is prone to narcissistic wishful thinking and making exuses for why no one else sees the leprechaun in the bushes except for you then yes, yes you could interpret it that way

>>7953623
he's so subtitle we have to invent them for him which is for us to legitimize him which feeds back into him guiding us through ourselves to reach him in us, oh god bless us and him through you and me and him

>>7953587
I thought so, but I didn't wan't to say something I wasn't totally sure of.

>>7953587
Lmao yeah man because all the Catholic churches in the US are ancient beautiful places.

>>7953623
>Atheists are always after some dramatic display of divine power, but God so often is much more subtle than that. He's the gentle whisper instead of the rockslide or the fire or the wind.

strange how when it's not dramatic and showy, god's display of power looks a lot like god's not really there at all

strange how "dramatic and showy" was good for goatherders and superstitious ancient jews but the modern man just has to believe maannnn!

>>7953492
HAHAHAHA IM SO LE SMART EVEN THOUGH IM WRONG IN EVERY SINGLE WAY HAHAHA LE FEDORA IM SO LE SMART

>>7953661
>wan't
This is a new low for me.

>>7953667
butthurt christfag detected

>>7953666
Well, Satan, every now and then God does do something dramatic, still. However, when that happens atheists just try to pretend it didn't happen at all.

>>7953667
you sound upset, so upset your *apparent* prowess of logical refutations went dormant. you fedora faggot

>>7953676
>God does do something dramatic.

>>7953677
>logic
Logic is irrelevant.

>>7953449
Not brain dead.

>>7953699
well it's either god or logic which is irrelevant...

Friendly reminder that most Christians WORSHIP THE DEMIURGE

>>7952869
Hitchens was basically okay for much of his career - until, that is, he inexplicably renounced Chomsky and became a full-throated neo-con. What a weird reversal.

>>7953743
>What a weird reversal
Surely, your joking. Neoconservatism has Trotskyist roots.

>>7953735
>mfw Saint Thomas Aquinas and King Saint Louis combined their powers to completely BTFO of the Cathars

God's will be done.

>>7953772
That's Satan's little helper right there.

>>7953772
>putting king before saint
Is that proper?

>>7953786
When popes become saints they're called "pope saint," as in, "Pope Saint Gregory the Great." I assume it's the same for kings.

>>7953786
papists love putting the worldly before everything else

>>7953799
>>7953786
power before the abstract
authority over principle
this is the root of the continuation of power, not the origins of it
grow up jesusbabies

>>7953731
'Saint' essentially becomes an extension of their name, rather than a title (while still being, technically, a title). I believe it stems from Roman naming conventions but I'm not certain.
>>7953805
Except that's wrong. Go troll somewhere else.

>>7953814
>Except that's wrong. Go troll somewhere else.
It's right though. That's how the Cathars got so popular, they had integrity rather than being gold grabbing little shits.

>>7953799
Fair enough. The Orthodox use the title Right-Believing to distinguish royal saints but they have dozens of honourifics.

>>7953826
>I can lie online and nobody can stop me!

>>7953835
he's at least presenting an argument. you're presenting none

>>7952924
In addition to what has already been said, he's a belligerent asshole who treats everyone else like a piece of shit. He's pretty much hated by any real academic and is only liked by atheist teenagers.

Sheldrake was once contacted to "debate with Dawkins on his new television program" but when Dawkins showed up he hadn't even read any of the papers Sheldrake had sent him. It turns out that that the program was called "Enemies of Reason" where Dawkins was getting footage of himself talking with people who disagreed with him and portraying them to be retards.