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First time Nietzsche here.
wtf did I just read
>not using logic
>Extended metaphors that contradict themselves
>100 symbols per page
>random interspersed narrative and characters that make no sense
>unclear what real-world people/groups are being criticized in 50% of the passages

I must say this was tough to get through. However, it did grow on me. By the end I came to appreciate his chaotic/jarring/grandiose writing style (I know it was translated but whatever).
What did you think /lit/

>> No.7949558

I think his ideas are so diffused by now in books and other media that when I actually read it at the ripe age of 19 there was nothing new for me in it. It's pretty much like the Bible at this point. Even if you never read it, you know all the major ideas and stories behind it through other sources.

>> No.7949685

>start reading Nietzsche
>decide to start with his most poetic, lyrical and difficult to interpret work

Why do people consistently do this to themselves? I mean come the fuck on, even Nietzsche said that Twilight of the Idols was supposed to be his primer work, and you can figure that out by reading wikipedia.

Correct Nietzsche reading order

1. Twilight of the Idols (On Truth and Lies in a Nonmoral Sense is a good mini-primer to read before this and easily accessible in .pdf form)
2. Human, all too Human
3. The Gay Science
4. Beyond Good and Evil
5. On the Genealogy of Morality
6. Zarathustra
7. Ecce Homo

Antichrist et. al. are basically optional, though will to power is according to some his most important book and is definitely worth a read, though it should be read with a grain of salt considering that Nietzsche didn't compile it.

>> No.7949699

>>7949685
Didn't he make twilight long after Zarathustra?

>> No.7949706

>>7949685
One should read Nietzsche chronologically. Your reading list is bullshit

>> No.7949751

>>7949685
>not starting with his most poetic work

Nietzsche is a great prosa writer first and foremost, more than a great philosopher. The greatest value of his work lies in his elaborate art prosa, especially if read in his original language.
If you want logic, go read Principia Matematica or something; Nietzsche is literature.

I actually remember being very put off by his polemical and self-aggrandizing attitude at first, but I then realized he is essentially the original meme marketing genius: what he was trying to do is pulling a Kanye West-style marketing stunt by trying to meme himself as hard as possible; and given we're still talking about him over a hundred years later, i guess he did pretty well.

>> No.7949795

>>7949534
Learn to read. Nietzsche himself advises that for people that can't understand him.

>> No.7949846

>>7949751
Alright, thats it, you've lost your priviledge, you're no longer allowed to use the word "meme".

That goes for the rest of you niggers as well, just stop it, you have become insufferable. It's over, find a new word to destroy.

>> No.7949874

Nietzsche was a continental philosopher.

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7949907

>>7949534
>tfw you ordered Thus Spoke Zarathustra and it came with some ripped pages but too autistic to send it back

>> No.7949924

>>7949846
He's actually the first person on this board to use the word "meme" properly.

>> No.7949930

>>7949874
Nah, he was a social commentator and literary figure. Also, a nutcase.

>> No.7950320

>>7949558
lol

>> No.7950331

>>7949699
He wrote Twilight for the express purpose of being an introduction to his thought.

>>7949706
It is chronological with the exception of Twilight and Zarathustra for the reasons I have specified.

You will not get everything out of Zarathustra without having read at least BGE prior. BGE was written as a less lyrical version of Zarathustra. Zarathustra itself contains virtually every single major idea Nietzsche had but one must know how to read for them to pull them out.

>> No.7950573

What's the best translation of Zarathustra. I read the Kaufman translation when I was an edgy 17 year old (I'm 25 now). Now that I've also read Twilight of the Idols, BG&E & Genealogy and have a degree in philosophy I think I am better equipped to tackle it. However, I'm not sure if I want to reread Kaufman, read Hollingdale, or maybe a third option?

Pls help.

>> No.7950657

>>7949558
what a load of shit

>> No.7950671

>>7949846
im confused. is this a new meme?

>> No.7950783

>>7949846
That post was such a meme tbqh mfam

>> No.7950800

>>7949534
Read birth of tragedy or genealogy of morals. They're the most straightforward and clearly written of his works, and they hit almost all of his main ideas. Zarathustra is the product of his philosophy, but it's much less interesting than the ideas themselves or how he got himself to them.

>> No.7950814

>>7950573
>philosophy degree
>hasn't read one of the best-known works of philosophy as a part of his education
What are you even doing with your life anon

>> No.7950829

>>7950814
Nietzsche is rarely studied in philosophy.

>> No.7950892

>>7950814
Nietzsche was never studied in my four philosophy subjects back in university.

>> No.7950909

>>7950814

Read my post again. I have read it. I am going to read it again.

>>7950829
>>7950892

Also, this is 100% fact. Nietzsche was never even mentioned by any of my professors in four years.