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>"I have been speaking about liberal studies. Yet look at the amount of useless and superfluous matter to be found in the philosophers. Even they have descended to the level of drawing distinctions between the uses of different syllables and discussing the proper meanings of prepositions and conjunctions. They have come to envy the philologist and the mathematician, and they have taken over all the inessential elements in those studies - with the result that they know more about devoting care and attention to their speech than about devoting such attention to their lives. Listen and let me show you the sorry consequences to which subtlety carried too far can lead, and what an enemy it is to truth. Protagoras declares that it is possible to argue either side of any question with equal force, even the question whether or not one can equally argue either side of any question! Nausiphanes declares that of the things which appear to us to exist, none exists any more than it does not exist. Parmenides declares that of all these phenomena none exists except the whole. Zeno of Elea has dismissed all such difficulties by introducing another; he declares that nothing exists. The pyrrhonean, Megarian, Etrerian and Academic schools pursue more or less similar lines; the last named have introduced a new branch of knowledge, non-knowledge. Well, all these theories you should just toss on top of that heap of superfluous liberal studies. The people I first mentioned provide me with knowledge which is not going to be of any use to me, while the others snatch away from me any hopes of ever acquiring any knowledge at all. Superfluous knowledge would be preferable to no knowledge. One side offers me no guiding light to direct my vision towards the truth, while the other just gouges my eyes out. If I believe Protagoras there is nothing certain in the universe; if I believe Nausiphanes there is just the one certainty, that nothing is certain; if Parmenides, only one thing exists; if Zeno, not even one. Then what are we? The things that surround us, the things on which we live, what are they? Our whole universe is no more than a semblance of reality, perhaps a deceptive semblance, perhaps one without substance altogether. I should find it difficult to say which of these people annoy me the most, those who would have us know nothing or the ones who refuse even to leave us the small satisfaction of knowing that we know nothing."
Was Seneca right?

>> No.7931785

Very

>> No.7931799

He who understands the sources of confusion gives up philosophy and abandons disputation, because his mind is put at ease. Cratylus was the first to embrace silence. Sextus Empiricus realized his words to be meaningless but refused to admit it; in this way he was not truly free of philosophy.

>> No.7932013

>>7931799
Is this a quote from somewhere?

>> No.7932019

Seneca was a sad little man.

>> No.7932042
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>>7932019

>> No.7932053

>>7932019
Why are you satisfied with bullshit? Please, explain it to me.

>> No.7932082

>>7932042
>>7932053
It has nothing to do with the matter at hand, and everythign to do with this his servilism towards emperors just so that his ego could be feeded by being their mentors. And then write a spiteful satire about the old emperor just to curry favor with Nero.
At least they bot got old of his bullshit.

>> No.7932123

>>7931781
I think Seneca is being a bit critical and opinionated but Seneca is entitled to those opinions and criticisms. Seneca's opinions have always held an interesting place in my heart.

>> No.7932132

>>7932082
pls seneca spent half his life begging nero to be allowed an hero without nero torturing his family, but nero wouldn't let him until a convenient scandal to blame him for came up

>> No.7932136

>>7932132
This is sad.

>> No.7932143

>>7932136
it gets sadder. by the time nero told him ok, seneca was so old he couldn't slit his wrists right, and his friends had to help him into a warm bath and get it right.

>> No.7932406

>>7932143
;_;