/lit/ - Literature

>>7881205
I'm a post-pan-nihilist.

OP is a lazy shitposting faggot.

>>7881213
deep

>>7881213
underrated

>>7881205
I don't know...

I reject a few things but as to what I actually believe in I haven't a clue. That's why I'm studying it, so I can find out.

>>7881205
what are yours OP? what are yours?

>>7881205
Christian

>>7881221
Post-Hegelianism filtered through Nietzschean existentialism

>>7881205
love of wisdom, obviously.

Effort (or displeasure), is the ultimate and true form of currency. To live without effort, and to do without it what others do with it or consider it inherent in, is the ultimate act of rebelry and self-affirmation in our society.

Example: a genius does what others (thought of as average) would think of themselves doing with less effort, and is there admired, isolated, rejected, ar any other kind of singling out--to them the genius becomes a spook, and illogical expectations are created toword all of his person. Likewise, the criminal are hated because they do what often people wish they would do, without the perceived moral or legal consequences--they too become fixed in the people's mind, and so are demonized.

>>7881227
Could you expound?

I'm a nihilist.

I don't 'believe' things

>>7881205

i call it non-disturbance and it basically amounts to appreciating the passivity of all things with an effort toward not disturbing anything

its still in the works and probably plagiarised , but i like it

>>7881205
Christian and classical Western philosophy: Aristotle, Aquinas, and Kant. Though, sadly I believe I'm turning into an existentialist.

Life is meaningless and you're a huge faggot.

I believe in gay sex and state-distributed weed

>>7881696
gay sex doesn't exist you homo

Hedonic Utilitarianism

> I believe all resources should be diverted to creating better computer to brain interfaces. Then, the earth should be cleared of all surplus life and people should be birthed in-vitro, all supervised by machines, before being placed into the "VR Heaven Tanks". This is as close as we can ever be to Heaven on earth and I fail to see any problems with this idea whatsoever.

>>7881733
That sounds pretty boring 2bh.

>>7881701
sure it does, you're either male, female, or gay

>>7881733
what a nerd... keep playing with your computer, loser

>>7881744
It wouldn't be because all forms of experience correlate to material states of the brain; mastery of that materiality then births mastery of all experience hence "subjects" would be able to experience: joy; pride; a sense of belonging; vindication e.c.t, e.c.t.

> no need for boredom

>>7881205
Analytical thomism

nihilistic hedonism

>>7881777
What's that?

>>7881205

Hard determinist

Moral nihilist

Anarcho-capitalist

Somewhat radical skeptic, but for pragmatic and necessary reasons, I don't really pay much attention to this, as it ultimately leaves me at nothing.

>inb4 "edgy teenager"

>>7881813
yea, edgy

>>7881788

Edgelord extraordinaire.

>>7881765
The what is the fucking difference from reality as it is now.

I just use philosophy, I don't know that I really believe in any of it on a permanent basis,. Some of my favorite tools in my toolkit are Stoicism, Taoism, Utilitarianism, Phenomenology, Falsificationism, Absurdism, and Chaos Magick.

post taoist
neo ironic misanthrope
tumblr taxonomist

>>7881813
>Anarcho-capitalist
Yeah pretty edgy, or alternatively a hopeless ideologue.

>>7881765
I would argue that such false emotions are generally less fulfilling for a person. Compare a guy sitting on his ass playing league of legends to a guy actually going out and living his life; both might feel belonging, joy, frustration, but one is absolutely more authentic than the other.
Plus, who designs all the simulations? Do some people stay behind in the material world? What if some sadistic fuck ends up as one of these workers and puts his section of brains into an inescapable hell? They can't call out for someone to save them. What if someone is born desiring a simple life in the real world and can't do it without being completely alone? What if the workers maintaining the simulation resent being left behind and punish the brains for it?
Honestly your ideal future sounds like a soulless dystopia waiting to happen. No promises of heaven on earth -- chemical, physical, virtual -- have ever truly succeeded.

>>7881205
Some people are awake and some people are asleep.

Political/Economical: Revolutionary Anarchist
Philosophical: Leaning towards nihilism

Hitlerian Aestheticism

>>7881227
>>7881580
>>7881775
>>7881904
Would hang with

>>7881869
Ride it anon.

>>7881205
Democratic socialism
Moral realism
Ontological naturalism

>>7881205
That any dipshit child who attaches an "ism" to themselves has read too many books by people who already thought the same thing as them.

>>7881929
Well, in the case of the guy living his life, the sense of accomplishment, while obviously more "real" for him than for the computer game guy, still correlates to a material brain state. There is no objective value in anything above that which the brain designates, so in a practical sense they would not really be simulations, nor do I imagine the experience of the subject really resembling a simulacrum of real world experiences very much at all; I think it is more likely the state of consciousness would be more similar to a dream.

Obviously it's all pretty out my arse because it would require super dupe advances in neuroscience, tech, and particularly A.I; it would have to be robots that administrated the whole thing.

Also people would not be born in the trad way: you'd be grown "connected". There would be no normal life alternative because in keeping with the doctrine of "the greatest moral outcome is that which results in the greatest happiness for the greatest number" every available square inch / resource would be put to use. Miles upon miles of dwarfish, limbless people, being pumped hourly for eggs and semen over a desert of scorched black rock: Heaven on earth.

>>7881967
>Democratic socialism

>>7881205
It's my philosophical belief that anonymity enables degeneracy to propagate at a faster rate.

Because we cannot determine who makes a post or comment on pretty much any website online, one person could make multiple comments that spread misinformation or a shallow public opinion and convince naive minds that there is a whole group of people who stand behind the comment. In thinking this, some naive minds will end up adopting it due to herd mentality.

The internet is also allowing the weakest, laziest filth on the planet to be heard by people. Faggots who would have just stayed at home and died off with no children eventually are now able to go online and, anonymously, vent their frustrations at everyone else who is more successful than they are. Hence why we have so many absolutely terrible people on the internet, complaining about everything under the sun, doing all they can to derail conversation about whatever they don't like, and trying to blemish the reputation of any person, company, or creative work they are not a fan of.

We are living in an age where bottom feeders and the mentally ill are slowly influencing the world at a level of power they never previously had. I can only hope that someone with more serious power than me realizes this as well and knows how to retaliate against it before it grows into a major concern.

>>7881972
From there, under the Hedonic Utilitarian principal, you're really looking at optimising by reducing brain size while retaining brain pleasure and expanding available room.

You'd also probably find that some brains were more receptive than others so you'd probs just want to breed the person with the highest capacity for pleasure and then clone them and fuck of all the other people / brains.

So really, under that doctrine, your end game is as much of the universe as possible stuffed with clones of the one brain / person all experiencing the same, most maximal pleasures simultaneously.

> Sounds dark but I can't really think of a reason why it isn't moral?

>>7881968
whats wrong with that?

>>7881205
Live life like a stoic, I.e. Care only about shit within your control, with that stuff realize you have radical freedom and the weight of choosing your own action is yours and yours alone.

The world is fundamentally absurd, and if you begin to focus on externals, this will become painfully obvious.

The point of life is to create, which is the only real way to negate nothingness and absurdity. Ideas in your head don't really exist until you "create" them (put them on paper or into practice).

Currently working my way through Aristotle. More later.

>>7881972
If that is heaven, I would prefer hell.

revolutionary distintegrationism
in the mean time we should focus on promoting excellence rather than alleviating poverty

>>7881813

>>7881967
>Moral realism
>Ontological naturalism
Those aren't compatible, bub.

Stirner

>>7882123
But of course if you were placed in the machine for a matter of seconds, and then removed, you would howl to be returned like a baby plucked from its mother's womb: finding the world now cold, its textures rough and its tastes the bitterest ash.

>>7882247
I would imagine it more akin to someone attempting to fight heroin addiction. Probably almost identical, in fact.
I want to live life as a human being with all the experiences that that entails, good or bad. I do not want to be a soulless pleasure device, and do not understand how anyone ever could.

>>7881967
>Democratic Socialism
>>>/highschool/

'Belief' and 'philosophy' are antagonist terms.

I'd consider myself a realist, alright? But in philosophical terms I'm what's called a pessimist... I think human consciousness is a tragic misstep in evolution. We became too self-aware. Nature created an aspect of nature separate from itself - we are creatures that should not exist by natural law... We are things that labor under the illusion of having a self, that accretion of sensory experience and feelings, programmed with total assurance that we are each somebody, when in fact everybody's nobody... I think the honorable thing for our species to do is to deny our programming. Stop reproducing, walk hand in hand into extinction - one last midnight, brothers and sisters opting out of a raw deal.

>>7881993
Yes - but the effects of the internet on morality are complicated. On a slightly related note: Consumers or general pornography (non-illegal pornography obviously) are less likely to commit sexual assault than those who don't.

Back to your point: What I think you're trying to describe is cognitive bias, or the tendency to think that personal anecdotal experience is more statistically representative of reality than it actually is. It seems like your theory is centered around the idea that a vocal and vapid minority are being over represented because individuals are experiencing this cognitive bias. I'll agree with you on that point.

Ironically, I think you're suffering from cognitive bias as well; the vast majority of communication on the internet occurs through social media platforms that are associated with the users identity (read: facebook, twitter, etc.), so anonymity doesn't occur. Only a very very small percentage of the general population browse 4chan.

My personal philosophical belief is that philosophical beliefs are trivial, if philosophical, and I therefore don't hold any.

>>7881205
I like Absurdism.

Let us cease bestiality and go into the bright room of the mind realizing emptiness, and sit with the truth. And let no man be guilty of causing birth. - Let there be an end to birth, an end to life, and therefore an end to death. Let there be no more fairy tales and ghost stories around and about this. I don't advocate that everybody die, I only say everybody finish your lives in purity and solitude and gentleness and realization of the truth and be not the cause of any further birth and turning of the black wheel of death."

>>7882493
Alright, alright.

I'm Catholic.

>>7882620
Well everybody seem to be a hedonist while Kerouac want us to be meditating skeletons. I rather masturbate like the true Buddha that I am.

Intuitive utilitarian, establishment neoliberal economically, near-SJW socially, stoicism yet materialism.

>>7881205
muh dick

>>7881733
>>7881765
>>7881972
>>7882247
You have a shit tier conception pleasure and pain, m8.

I personally believe, philosophically, that life is all about sex and love is just chemicals in your brain.

Thanks for readeing.

>>7881982
>>7882468

It's the official position of half the mainsteam european left you nerds. Tony Blair's Labour Party were "Democratic Socialists".

>>7881205
>2016
>he 'believes' in things
Enlightenment still lies way ahead of you, my friend.

>>7881227
>Post-Hegelianism
What does that even mean?

>>7882804
after hegelianism

>>7882804
Memes

I study the cynics.

>>7882809
>>7882811
thanks man really helpful.

>>7882795
>He thinks being enlightened is an achievement.
He who speaks, doesn't know.

naturalism, pragmatism (borderline neopragmatist), fallibilism, consequentialism with a focus on virtue (very critical of nearly all of the ethical project and discourse), and a basically Hayekian view of society

>>7882736
The secret is that being a meditating mr skelton yields more net hedons than conventional folk hedonism.

>>7882819
>he thinks moving from one place to another equals achievement
Does the water flowing down a river achieve something when it reaches the sea?

>>7881967
get the fuck out of my country

>>7882758
>establishment neoliberal economically, near-SJW socially

sorry nut I don't understand how you could be both? Modern Globalization is a huge cause of modern social justice issues (i.e. international poverty, neo-colonialism, etc.)

>>7882620
Mein Gott, bloß Wille.

>>7881205
Chat shit get banged

>>7881967
>Democratic socialism
people are shitting on you for this, but considering half this board approves of Bernie (results from the survey last month), I would say you're not far from the general opinion here.

>>7881205
Esoteric Hitlerism, racialized mythopoeia, materialistic right-hegelianism with a dash of pagan traditionalism and volkisch primitivism

>>7882877
He might just mean socially liberal.

>>7882885

I believe in making money

Ethical: Non-cognitivism, moral quasi-realism
Epistemological: Feminist perspectivism
Metaphysical: Idealism

>>7881205

Unironic atheistic existential nihilism, which is hypocritically problematized and mollified by locally (provisionally) valuing several of the things that are conventionally valued in western society: science, truth, etc. This, despite my maintaining that in the long view, all of this is for nothing. Unless of course God really does exist and pops out of the clouds and utters "Gotcha!", which could happen, but there is in my view no reason for a human being to comport himself according to that supposition.

People speak of falling into this pit, and nobly seeking to extricate themselves from it; these attempts seem to me to be vanity. For me, no one anywhere has ever once actually managed to get out of the pit. Nor could they. Because the pit, quite the opposite of being a negative attitude, is the world.

A personal, aphoristic summary: "Death /precludes/ meaning."

>>7881205
Stoicism. It's the only philosophy who a real man should follow.

>>7882824
Are you me, lad?

>>7881813
Anarcho-capitalism isn't a real ideology lmao

>>7882916
Someone else has beliefs like that? Wow, I thought I'd never find someone like me.

I was born to shitpost. I also think Japanese females are the most attractive of creatures.

>>7882213
Spooky

>>7881205
Evolutionary-based nihilism; people are perpetuating the cycle of their existence acting upon two polar moralizing qualities: Individualist narcissism and Collectivist altruism. One enables to advancement of competition by cultural evolution while the other secures the survival of our species. But, by large, people are just hive-minded by their lesser instincts and posses no free-will other than through the understanding of past reflections and the mirror of their predecessors. The problem today is that too little people focus on the humanities and too many mechanize themselves into service of the capitalistic, centralized motor that has no ethical agendas other than gathering the most monetary currency over competitors.

I also do not believe we'll make it as a species, but that's a currently unfounded hypothesis.

>>7882922
also Stirner* and absurdism

>>7882861
>He thinks there are "things" that "move".

>>7882931
you seem like a gimp

alt-right edgelord, unabashed eurocentrist and ethnonationalist, libertarian in the economic sense, good heteronormative family values and sedevacantist trad catholic

>>7882931
>make it
on a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

>>7882915
>"real man"
>Only a child could have chosen that phrasing

the only thing that matters is whether I'm enjoying my experience or I am not enjoying them

no right and no wrong, nothing outside myself I care about

thyat's literally all that matters. I don't care about metaphysics or god or the afterlife or nothing

just pure hedonism it's beautiful

I laugh at antinatalists. I 'm gonna have kids because it will make ME happy. and when I get boreed of it I'll abandon it with it's mother an orphanage

hahaha blow me

>>7882885
Eternal, reciprocal justice?

>>7882948
>I 'm gonna have kids because it will make ME happy. and when I get boreed of it I'll abandon it with it's mother an orphanage
hahahhaha raw

Empirio-criticism

>>7882893
liberal economics and "socially liberal" are not the same thing. It's a fair criticism.

>>7882921
Absolutely, although admittedly I haven't studied Hayek extensively. Cursory examinations of his sentiments on economy in the past, however, lead me to believe his socioeconomic beliefs align with my own to some extent.

>>7882378
>>7882766
How? All experience = brain state. Brain state = materiality. Mastery of materiality = mastery of experience.

This is pretty basic stuff guys. All of the things you would seek you seek only to provoke the correlate brain state. There is OBVIOUSLY no inherent value in the correlate material situation, where is the value stored? In the brain. Therefore to provoke the same state with more direct manipulation of the brain is not to copy, it is as true to experience love in this way as it is to experience it by provoking the IDENTICAL brain state by meeting the traditional conditions.

>>7882948
>I 'm gonna have kids because it will make ME happy. and when I get boreed of it I'll abandon it with it's mother an orphanage
10/10 b8 was annoyed good job.

>>7882938
Could you elaborate on that?

Anarcho-communist neo-situationist. gender abolitionism combined with a conception of the technosingularity influenced by Hegel via Marx and Christian eschatology. See universal reconciliation. Left-accelerationist

god bless america, kill the jews

>>7882509
He obviously didn't mean social platforms only, you're forgetting all the stuff the internet can get you. Like buying a person and watch him get tortured, or buying weapons. Whatever seems depraving.

>>7882976
Yeh

>>7881205

Post-stoicism

Friendship is a lie, love doesn't exist, etc, etc. Goes into destroying all the illusion crap which has been shoved into people's minds through decades of tacky Hollywood films.

>>7882988
No longer interested.

>>7882996
Cool

>>7882989
Sounds like Hegesias desu

>>7882943
>not realizing it's a shitpost

I forgot how serious lit can be at times. Anyways if you want me to be serious I was applying it to the stereotypical sense of what a man should be.

>>7882989

>>7882813 here, you're a fucking idiot

>>7882962
I do favor a free market, but I am nuanced in that position like Hayek in that I don't mean literally 100% free laissez-faire. However, I do not endorse the Austrian School because of its anti-empiricism.

What I am also talking about in terms of Hayek's views on society are his political/sociological views, mostly that institutions are evolutionary and beyond our understanding, that spontaneous order > central planning, and that a stable society with rule of law is necessary for innovation and prosperity.

I am also like him anti-conservative while cautiously progressive.

>>7882964
All materiality = brain state. Brain state = experience. Mastery of experience = mastery of materiality.

>>7883040
>404 Error: Logic not found

>>7882877
>>7882893
>>7882959

I think on balance globalization is a positive and raises people out of poverty. The developing world is still dirt-poor, but so many nations - China, India, Brazil - have seen billions given water and electricity thanks to neoliberal free-trading.

The reason the third world still can't escape poverty is corrupt institutions because of the legacy of colonialism and racism, which are both products of mercantile capitalism, not globalization. The way we react to these problems should be running massive international aid programs and donating to charity personally.

I'm really socially liberal too, feminist and all that jazz, but I do think that free markets and a robust reparations program is the way to go.

This is more politics than philosophy but yeah.

Probably a stoic. I want to achieve self mastery.

>>7883103
Look chum, you seem relatively well intentioned (like everyone else) and fresh, so ı'mma give you the benefit of the doubt. Try to think throughly about what you want to say with your words and what they mean before you type, and be more receptive of your surroundings, or how the Ancients succinctly used to say: "lurk moar."

I'd like to keep being patronizing, but my person has been irresponsible this weekend (thanks to now owning a kitten), so we really need to set them habits straight (setting an example for myself don'tchouknow, we're not so different chum) and go sweat some sushi off.

And really, watch Hellraiser if you have the time, pain is a necessity for fun.

>>7883181
Thanks for your veritably precious insight, familiar.

>>7881205
>the noble savage is an ideal towards which to strive
>human over-population in conjunction with industrialized society is the biggest threat to life on earth right now and humankind will not experience prosperity until it is reduced to aout 10-5% of what it is now
>animal prosperity is not subordinate to human prosperity
>pan-theism: god is a living, thinking, feeling entity made up of all smaller beings (which are in turn made up of smaller beings), is not external to the world and basically only resembles the monotheistic god in that i call it god
>power should be distributed equally among members of the community
>there is no need for scientific or technological progress, in fact regress is the way to go
>"property" doesn't exist, everything belongs to everything
>"death" might not exist: there is no proof that consciousness ends after brain-death (although of course it is transformed, as lesion studies and neuropsychology in general demonstrate)
>there is no objective right/wrong and since most people don't agree with my views I will likely never experience this Utopia I strive towards

>>7883200

>>7883200
>>7883215

What Nixon said, shut up hippie.

>>7883197
Any time ı might, property.

>>7883215
>>7883222
if that is your wish, why do you engage in dialogue with me then?

>>7883040


I suppose I know that I can "witness" the chemicals in my brain and make a case for my experience of life being founded on them...but I can't be sure that it's them that's allowing me to observe them...hmmm...is that what your saying?

Mopey edgelord brain in vats advocator here, I did kind of post that with the hope someone would tell me otherwise. Tell me more?

But also "joy cannot be had without pain". How do you know?

>>7883289
isn't it just a bit like saying "well you can't KNOW that your experience of the world is founded on brain states, it MIGHT not be". Which is true, but what then can you know: Nothing. Hence what's your philosophical stand point becomes meaningless, or it doesn't, I don't know, no ones knows anything.

>>7883306
very true post, a good note to end this thread on.
induction is invalid.

agressive, crippling skepticism

>>7883311
I'm lost now

>philosophy

my nigga go live

>>7883289
you're

The cosmos is governed by one and only one principle hyper-chaos, contingency, randomness.

The universe is an accident in productivity, therefore negentropy had to take place, out of the incalculable possibilities birthed by chaos, life was conceived as a negentropic answer to entropy.

Human consciousness is special in that it posses a higher "destiny" compared to all other life, but does not exist apart from nature.

Subjectivity is continuously constructed,

"freedom" is merely past of our determined destiny, the ability to make our peace with our predetermined origin makes that destiny happen.

The creation of God is the greatest sin against Chaos. Infinity is not confined to a "single" cause, there are many infinities.

Materialism and scientific realism is correct in how the world corresponds through our interaction with it. Dialectics is merely an hermeneutic tool to facilitate that interaction.

>believing in anything other than Christianity
Fucking contrarian try hards

>>7883357
What if I'm non-western?

>>7882493

Man that quote aged fucking badly already.

Aping Schopenhauer that bad is wrong. Schopenhauer advocated that even in suffering compassion is superior to resignation. Pizza must have totally missed that part.

>>7883365
Fucking niggers

>>7882948
>believes in a self

wew cunt you're set up for a life of suffering

>>7883289
You need to understand that all the things you put value on, you value because of habit. This includes biology, mind you, both memetic memory and genetic memory are simply habitualized behaviors, which aim (not the best word here, it's implied conscioun intention) to preserve a certain state--a species, an ideology or whatever, the dialectic of right/wrong is done so "right" can win. This in itself is an illusion in two ways:
1) For "right" to truly, throughly conquer, would be for itself, due to becoming the unique state, to be rendered meaningless. Think of existence in one dimension, it's simply a point o straight line, there's nowhere else to go so, there is no here or there.
2) The dichotomy is founded and owned by the same person it affects. I told myself ı would study every day, ı fail at it, ı get sad; why? I myself was the one that set the goal, so ı am just as capable of not caring about it. Take an animal: it gets sad when its life is in peril (if such an emotion can be applied to non-human animals), but then, why would it? Its instinct (derived from its genetic memory) puts survival as a given value most of the time (necessary, as otherwise the species would not have lasted)--this is not an absolute truth, as there are cases such as eusocial insects which don't mind for their individual lives, and rather care for their group, a trait also seen in humans, but which is just as founded in an a priori goal of survival, just not of the individual (and in the case of our species it can also be applied to anything).

So basically, what do you mean with "joy"? Your utopia is one in which brains can be controlled completely--is it not one in which anything can be made joy for them then? Further, you've admitted you haven't really eliminated pain, just postponed indefinitely. Further still, what is the joy of your brains based on? If they are allowed to experience whatever is in our world, what makes it different (as an Anon already pointed out)? Do they have free reign?

Like the animals, you've set your goal on a mirage. This mirage can never come true because what's in your mind, by nature, can never be the same as what's outside. And likewise you strive for it (mentally only, hopefully) purely because you don't have it, and once you have come to have it in your thoughts, you will find it not good enough, or you will soon tire of it, as it will not match your accumulated fantasies of it--look, it's already causing you trouble! And all this without realizing time functionally needs difference to work (an event can't be truly repeated).

As for the chemicals, they don't exist in a vacuum. Their perception is completely limitated by your senses.

Wew, what a mouthful.

>>7883384
Pizza mixed and matched from a bunch of pessimists filtered through his own pleb understanding of them, it's all over the place really.

>>7883424
Oof, wrong image. Remember to have your computer in order boys, you don't wanna be like me.

>>7881205
I like cunt

>>7883200
You sound like me when I was in college. Assuming you're under the age of 25, rest assured that you'll eventually abandon most of those positions.

all knowledge can be obtained through intuition alone also its key to understand the passions to become free of them

>>7883544
kek

>>7881205
Capitalistic-materialistic-determinism. pls no bully

>>7881733
>the experience machine

>>7881733
Why not antinatalism instead? It solves everything and is less complicated.

Surrealism satisfies neo-existentialism via Proustian theology.

>>7884017
we're not looking for a thesis statement here fucko

>>7884022
Oh, sorry.

If we're just discussing taste: I think Kierkegaard is the greatest philosopher

>>7881205

Life is super weird

Don't take reality too seriously

Work your hardest at some craft to fulfill something worthwhile both personally and for the rest of the world.

Treat others how you would want to be treated. Aka don't be a massive dick all the time.

Try and eat healthy.

Don't trust anybody 100%

Be prepared for things as best as you can.

Teach those who ask to be taught, but give them room to learn on their own.

Bigotry is for weak, frustrated minds.

Drink lots of water

Lift if you can

be a good friend

don't kill nobody unless it's 100% self-defense.

Don't fall for trends learn how to be an individual etc.

-The vast-majority of human action is egoistic, i.e. it's done in self-interest. That's not to say it's inherently bad/good, that's just how we act. There is room for altruism, but it's rare.

-Most people who attempt philosophy need to just shut up and think. And when they're done thinking, they need to keep shutting up.

-I'm tired.

Ownerism

>>7884095
dude wut

>>7884135
Hi my property

You are never determined and will never ever fully be yourself, so you might as well struggle with giving everything you have to others, to prevent becoming a hollow self.

> Become a parent in every aspect of your life.

>>7884141
wow rude

#nobreeding

>>7881205
I honestly have none atm. Every time I accept one I read something that destroys it.

>>7884226
That's just a coping mechanism for the fact that you can't get laid.

>>7884252
'no'

>>7884255
'yes'

I've never met #nobreeder that wasn't a kissless virgin sperg lord that had absolutely not hope of every marrying.

>>7884249
Examples?

I'm a stoic, but I suck at it. What can you do, though, am I right?

>>7883389
you know there's an entire continent filled with non-Christians that arent black, right?

I consider myself an anarcho-fascist esoterical satanist. I believe in injustice, survival of the fittest, strength and intelligence.

As much as we know, life, conscious experience, remains confusing and mystical.

All people act based on their learned and genetic patterns of behavior. Based on these patterns; self destructive or positive, you can build an existence, based on the novelty that is found in things within the world. The only options for a person who is fully self aware is to either commit suicide or attain self mastery and control.
The only experience of reality you can have is your own consciousness, and in a sense you are already dead; you die, you cease to experience anything, in a way, nothing ever was, and so on. But you still feel, and live, and if you are truly above most delusions, you can live and attain control, and seek the ''objective'' truths, which will aid in survival.
The great mysticism of what ''is'' only leads to a whirlwind of confusion, and it will always be there, but since you are bound to your own experience, to the world as it is to you, if you wish to live, the best and possibly the only way would be: Self control/mastery. It all depends on the person, their awareness, their amount of introspection, their patterns and genetic makeup. What they will be able to understand, what they will be able to do. Questioning ''What is this'' in a metaphysical sense will yield no true answers, to the main question, which itself originates from our biology, which itself is also in question like everything that is. The only thing that remains, is understanding yourself, fully. And seeing how to live, or how to die.

Of course, there are many more things to cover, but all of this truly depends on the person trying to realize it, or whatever. What your modus operandi should, or will be, is the only thing that matters if you chose to live. But only you can figure that out, if you know what you are, what you wish to do.

And again, too many things to cover, but the gist of it is, what is written above.

>>7881205
>>7881205
That would be that God in Heaven is an extremely important area to embody in ones life.

Pyrrho is bae (help me)

When asked if he believed in God, Shostakovich replied: "No, and I am very sorry about it."

>>7884587
This desu

>>7883384
Rust was just butthurt over his child being dead anyway

>>7881213

epiphenomenalist dualist

neo-platoescapism

>>7884762
expanding on this, nothing physical is caused by a mental process but physical events can influence mental processes. there is not such thing as free will. thank you.

pragmatist

id say i dont believe anything can be known. that's not a self-defeating positive statement like "nothing can be known" btw *cackles and peels out, allegedly*

>>7884772
à la Rorty?

>>7884784
>à la Rorty
what

>>7881227
Ye.

I'm basically this with a side of heidegger.

>>7883424
This is a surprisingly good summation for 4chan. Albeit a little long winded

>>7883200
kek

>>7882767
If you're serious on this, I have the objection: love is also the experience of love.

>>7882767
This is usually what happens when you take journalistic neuro-babble at face value.

You'd be laughed out of philosophy of mind and cognitive science seminars for saying shit like that.

>>7881223
too patrician

Consequentialist, Machiavellian-Nietzschian Ethical Egoist

>>7881205
>Conservative Anarchist (see: Orwell)
>Anti-egalitarian, advocate meritocratic aristocracy balanced with charity
>Compatibilism
>Quranist Muslim influenced by Kierkegaard and Augustine
>Kant's epistemology

>>7881218
This desu

>>7881205
-Hard Determinist
-Absurdism

>>7881223
mene philosophy

>>7881205
Aristotelico-Thomist.

>>7884528

All of that is pseudo philosophy par excellence.

>The great mysticism of what ''is'' only leads to a whirlwind of confusion

That is the purpose of philosophy, to question what is assumed, saying there are no truths but yourself is just another assumption, that doesn't stand up to the scrutiny of philosophical inquiry or provides any meaningful answer.

>>7883807
why not both? let all current living people live in the matrix and just don't reproduce anymore, at least not physically

>>7884276
that's called 'enlightenment' friend

>>7885150
Alasdair MacIntyre much, papist?

I'm an anarcho christian. And idc if it doesn't make any sense.

>>7883325
that's the first step to enlightenmnt, fampai.
shed your childish unfounded beliefs and open your mind.

>>7884987
;^)

>>7885319
It makes perfect sense. Anarchism is basically secular Christianity. Jesus was the perfect anarchist revolutionary. Anarchism only has problems with institutionalized religion because institutionalized religion tends to enforce mainstream cultural values to stay relevant.

>>7881205
Stoic

>>7881205
I try to avoid such things as a bad habit.

Wholeheartedly buying into one shtick or another is a sucker's game.

And formulating opinions on things as vacuous as epistemology, metaphysics or morality as if they were objective things and not fleeting mutable fancies is a fool's errand.

>>7881205
I personally follow the philosophy of "havin' a laugh".

>>7881205
be excellent to each other

>>7886919
I live through continual cycles of depression and directionless in life. I suffer from an apparent social awkwardness and ineptitude. I have also embraced the possibility of meaninglessness and nothingness, to my being, my actions and everything external. A form of radical freedom. It brings me peace. I've found that in order to make my existence more pleasant, I must exercise it in guidance of principles of self-conduct and morality. I have used much scrutiny in order to identify the things that make me feel good. Without getting into details of the why's, I have embraced purity, a sense of community, a scientific understanding of reality, continual self-improvement in as many respects as I can, understanding myself psychologically and cognitively to know how best to apply myself and a want to make of the world a better place in my terms. Just so you can see the level of commitment which I've taken upon my life choices:
1) I joined the Church of Latter Day Saints.

I hope I can start a family. Mostly because I will have to force myself to provide and be productive. I want to learn the difficulties underlying lifelong relationships. I believe the church is in the right track to direct human behavior and genetic inheritance for a better future.

2) I am an active member in political clubs in Uni, avid reader, and strong adherent to libertarianism (closer to the tradition of Classical Liberalism).

3) When depression comes, which comes often, I've embraced eastern philosophies in order to distance myself from these emotions and not give in to them. Meditation and other methods have been very helpful.

4) Self-improvement. I abstain from substances that may be detrimental to my health. Eat healthy. Exercise often. Never watch television, nor any garbage that tries to instill its values on me through its glamour and socially accepted pretentiousness.

I still feel empty, and fall through in acting good on my principles in occasion. It doesn't matter though. I still feel directionless and have accepted that that may be a lifelong sensation.

>>7886919
What does it mean to be excellent?

>>7881205
A philosophy as old as this website, and perhaps even time itself.
>for
>the
>lulz
Gotta rep my 4chanese background namsayin

>>7887143
It's a Jewish/Protestant/Muslim meme that there can be such a thing as a truly non-degenerate and fulfilling and virtuous householder existence. They're basically secularism in disguise.

Never trust a religion that doesn't have monastic, heremetic and ascetic traditions.

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

>>7887166
Well, I don't expect perfection from anything. Not from myself, the religious institution, nor from anything. I often think that the church's need to remain relevant and pressure due to the ever-growing forces which diminishes its extent, will cause the church to change itself and lose its virtues. Until that day comes, I will fight tooth and nail to not let that happen. You see, these kinds of things bring me purpose and into a framework where I can feel good. Perhaps you're right, there might be something more fitting, but as of now this is what I've decided and will strive to continue.
I'm a big stirner fan too, and I think many here unintendedly misconstrue his philosophy. Then again I might too, specially given my strong adherence to embrace these so-called spooks into my life, thoughts and actions.

Basically that every person is a pice of a fractal conciousness and that the mind and the universe are deeply connected. I also believe that in the future, all conciousness will unite to form a single great overmind. Once this occurs, the singularity will begin to break apart back into caos, the universe will be born anew and the cycle of splintering, unification and resplintering will repeat endlessly

>>7881205
Neostoicism
Moral universalism

>>7887243
Elaborate.

>>7887246
Neostoicism is Stoicism reworked to be compatible with Christianity. Do not be ruled by the passions but submit to God.

Moral universalism says that right and wrong are independent of cultural and societal opinion. However, right and wrong are not independent of context and consequence as moral absolutists claim.

>>7887213
It's one thing not to expect perfection, it's another thing to not even try, which is the case with watered down religion. That's why I think religions like Mormonism and such ultimately don't satisfy people who are 'seekers'. They are religions that are uncritical towards worldliness. They're pretty much just orderly frameworks for the satisfied, not religions for people who feel some sort of incomplete sadness regarding the world. They are almost unspiritual.

>>7881205

I'm too dumb to form my own philosophic beliefs, so I've adopted this fellow's beliefs and I try to live by what he wrote.

>>7887166
>Muslim meme
>Never trust a religion that doesn't have monastic, heremetic and ascetic traditions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufism

>>7887166
>If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
that's quite ok, the Father is only one third of the trinity, the Love of the other 2 is greater than the Fathers

>>7887300
Yes, there are some Jewish/Protestant/Muslim exceptions, but as a general rule they are very worldly religions.

Any religion that doesn't practise clerical celibacy is suspect in my opinion.

>>7887287
What is so bad about Mormonism in the sense that you speak of?
I'd say that they're rather quite demanding and secular from the today's social hegemony.

The purpose of life is to ensure the survival of one's genes.

The safeguarding of the future society in which your offspring will live is of vital importance. Burkean liberal-conservatism offers the best framework for the security and survival of national society.

Religion is an essential part of social life, everyone is religious to some extent so it's important to choose where your inevitable religious energy goes.

Philosophy that does not orient itself towards politics is inherently reactionary. Anyone who is not a utopian is also a reactionary.

Attempting to tie aesthetics to politics with a coherent theory are doomed.

>>7887392
No celibacy, no monasticism, no solitude, no asceticism. They basically only offer 'religion light', something which real Christianity and Buddhism for example offer to the plebs while the dedicated have the option to walk a higher path. With Mormonism, like most forms of protestantism, there is no higher path, just the pleb householder half-committed compromised easy mode believer family life.

SWAMp

I am going to die and there is nothing I can do about it. Why bother doing anything other than living a life of comfort?

>>7887548
If you were immortal, would that somehow change?

>>7887418
Would love to hear more. You sound interesting.

pussymoneyweed

;p

>>7887418

You're an idiot.

catholic, heavily influenced by girard.

>>7887744
this is actually the end game of philosophy

Reluctantly and apprehensively christian (Thomist). The god meme is lodged so deeply in my mind that its real enough.

euphoriaa i believe in drugz lolz

>>7887548
What's comfort?

>>7885160
That's the point, if there is no ''meaningful answer'', The need for meaning itself is based on our biology, pattern seeking, knowing what kills you and what doesn't and so on, but this itself has no true answer, only observations which seem to be true in some way that we can experience.

>saying there are no truths but yourself is just another assumption

This is the confusion i am talking about. Go look, you won't find anything that will satisfy, unless you fall under the influence of some ideology. The main point is, how you should live, not why you live. The latter produces nothing. Maybe it can produce deluded ideological circlejerks, but that's it.

>>7881813
>ayncrap

Feudalism with a monopoly aesthetic pls go

Hyperstitional cyberneticist because I read it today and it sounds cool. Can't wait for my upgrade to the Android Security System.

>quietist for real tho

>>7888270
>Can't wait for my upgrade to the A.S.S.

>>7881205
Roman Catholic.
Let me list topics along with who I believe best exposited them.
>Being/Existence/Metaphysics: Aquinas, maritain
>Eternity/heaven/hell: C.S Lewis
>Nature of God: Meister eckhart
>Faith/moral philosophy: Kierk

My all time favorite composers are:
Bruckner.
Stravinsky.
Pergolesi.
Messaien.
Zelenka.

My favorite artists is Hieronymus Bosch.
My favorite anime is crest of the stars.
The thing I hate most is protestants.
My most important flaw is that I have a radically contemporary image of Christianity, so virtually all forms of Christianity save for Roman Catholicism is straw-Christianity and it frustrates me when people criticize Christianity on the basis of anything other than the central Roman Catholic intellectual tradition and sacred doctrine.
My dream is to one day attend mass in the sagrada famillia while the choir performs stravinsky's mass.

Generally speaking, I'm an absurdist, but adapted to more modern understandings of things. I place a heavy emphasis on suffering as a requirement for *real* pleasure. Quite cynical but in the classical sense rather than the edgy "people r evil" attitude that gets thrown around. I believe in accepting and acknowledging the physical states of things in their most basic terms, even if our perceptions of those things might differ in detail.

I try to take a cosmic view of things but that's a little difficult, and probably missing the point, idk. I'm still learning.

>politics
Religious monarchist, authoritarian
>religion
Eastern Orthodox convert
>philosophy
Essentialist

>>7888545
>Authoritarian
Then why don't you respect papal authority?
De Maistre > cornylu

>>7888552
Matt 23:9

>>7888560
The pope is the vicar of Christ.
We call him holy father to express the consecration and divine ordination thereunto, not to arrogate him the prerogatives or nature of God the father.

>>7882989
Will you elaborate on why friendship is a lie?

>>7888612
Not him, but maybe he is saying that you can not truly have full trust in someone, and they likewise? This would be thinking in absolutes. Friendship does exist, the concept is evident, but you and your friend are separate entities, with your self interests as your primary function. But this does depend on the person, their influences and behavior. What he seems to be describing is to some extent, stoic-solipsism? I have no idea but its fun to deconstruct.

>>7881205
Christian, traditionalist, anti-liberal, anti-democratic, anti-socialist, anarchist, aesthete. Degenerates are going to hell.

>>7882776
I know, I'm from Europe. And that's exactly why I think that it's cancer.

>>7888724
>anti-socialist, anarchist
KEK

>>7888745
All forms of anarchy aside from ancap are for cucks.

>>7888752
>ancap
Enjoy high school

>>7882776
what, that party that endorsed and enabled neoliberalism? pls

Corbyn is a demsoc, albeit a more authoritarian one than is typically associated with demsoc, but Blair? Nah.

>>7888724
At what age did you start browsing /pol/?

>>7888745
Socialism attempts to replace God's perfect plan with man's imperfect ideals. We are made differently for a reason and anarchy (nature) allows the organic inequality of man to flourish and play out.

>>7888771
>anarchy (nature)
:^D
>inequality of man to flourish and play out.
You do realize that Anarchy (not Ancap) is a Marxist idea, right?
>God
:DDDD

>>7888777
>Anarchy
>Marxist
nigger what?

>>7881205
Nihilism is like the black hole of philosophy. All physics can instantly be discarded beyond the event horizon.

>>7888771
>God's perfect plan
define god in a cognitively meaningful fashion and get back to us.

>>7888819
Natural order. Creation. To take one example, a super computer with 83,000 processors was only able to crunch the equivalent of 1 second of brain activity in 40 minutes, running at over 12,000 watts; the human brain runs at 20 watts, barely enough for a light bulb. The greatest human minds in history can't even conceive design on the same orders of magnitude as nature. To assume we can do better at no cost, particularly in replacing social systems which have evolved over hundreds of millions of years is sheer arrogance and folly.

>>7888834
>conflating the (meaningless) concept of god with other, separate things
>then swerving into a totally different subject
mkay

>i actually agree that our pretensions of being civilised and orderly are absolute toss though

>>7888819
My faith is in nature, an extension of God's will. Tell me why I should not have reverence for that which makes the greatest efforts of man look like toys.

>>7888839
>faith
There's your problem.

>>7888842
Your "faith" in scientists and experts is not much different than my own. In fact, you have faith in demonstrably inferior minds.

>>7888847
Don't have faith in them, either.

Scientism is dumb as fuck. I just prefer to deal with what is demonstrably here, rather than projecting my desperation for meaning onto the world in order to cope with my meaninglessness.

>>7888834
Lets assume that you are right, and that there is a first mover, creator, god...etc, Why are you a Christian? Wouldn't that be an internal novellus ideologization of the real of the creator and not his actual will for you to obey. And is the creator even present, does he act, has he contacted us, what is his plan? Out of all the religions, and their documented developments and influences on each other, why would you pick this one and run with it, if it isn't just out of personal preference covering your deism?

>>7888849
We all reach to faith in some ways. Right now you have faith that you even exist or that your reality will continually retain some consistency. It's literally impossible to live without faith because we are all working with incomplete data, framed inside incomplete models, based on unproven axiomatic assumptions.

>>7888855
It's not faith, i don't need faith to know that things are happening, i do not have faith that i exist, but i just exist and things happen.

>models, based on unproven axiomatic assumptions
nigga you assume there is a god without proofs

>>7888834
appeal to nature
NEXT
[average iq tard line shuffles along]

>>7888852
I embrace Christianity because I am a traditionalist and a European. Our cultural heritage is entangled with it, which includes norms and values attuned to the "spirit" of my lineage. That is to say, the fit for our nature. In it's purest and most orthodox sense, it embodies a morality closest to what I consider natural (for my genealogy) and provides the strongest opposition to secular liberal degeneracy.

>>7888855
I do not have faith that my reality will retain consistency. I simply rely on experience and rationality to presume that it will. That I exist I can only presume, too, based on rationality and sensation. If we are treating faith as being complete trust in something, the closest thing I have is belief in something that has some degree of truth value.

I don't have faith or hope in these things - I am here, or seem to be, and I work with what IS here. I can use logic to some degree to figure out (or be told that I can figure out) that I in some way have some degree of self awareness which rocks and fish don't seem to possess in the same way, but I don't have /faith/ in them. The rug could be pulled under from me at any time.

I find consistency in reality by observing it, and attempting to find some sense or coherence in those observations.

Living with faith is taking a suicidal jump - just in a metaphysical way. Frankly I don't see much of a difference between that, and literally killing yourself.

All things should be viewed through a lens of the aesthetic to bring true beauty to the world.
All value should be measured aesthetically.
The authentic and sincere are the most beautiful symptoms of humanity, and should be exemplified in everything we do.

>>7888863
So, you're a liar and you just like the aesthetics and rituals. You can live a ''non degenerate'' life without deluding yourself with ideology m8.

>>7888865
>Living with faith is taking a suicidal jump - just in a metaphysical way. Frankly I don't see much of a difference between that, and literally killing yourself
Your insistence on being more than a pattern designed to facilitate the survival of your host is delusional. There is nothing to lose but the illusion that you are something more. Embracing our nature is where we will find the most fulfillment. Why is depression so common in modernity? - we have drifted away from our born purpose.

>>7888885

>>7888885
IDK I think there can be beauty in how things interact. Not the aesthetic form but instead how things relate and, observably, move us. the relationships between things that, in their more basic formal ways, move us by association.

I guess that might be more internal _____-y than external beauty idk

>>7888889
>Your insistence on being more than a pattern designed to facilitate the survival of your host is delusional
Where have I asserted that? I literally deny that we are more than we are. I find faith and hoping that we are anything more than "a pattern designed to facilitate the survival of your host" to be precisely delusional.

All I have is my capacity for reason and experience - I don't follow a life of hope or faith because I work with what IS here, rather than projecting.

>>7888901
>>Your insistence on being more than a pattern designed to facilitate the survival of your host is delusional
>Where have I asserted that? I literally deny that we are more than we are. I find faith and hoping that we are anything more than "a pattern... to facilitate the survival of your host" to be precisely delusional.
>All I have is my capacity for reason and experience - I don't follow a life of hope or faith because I work with what IS here, rather than projecting.

Sorry, was having formatting problems.

>Your insistence on being more than a pattern designed to facilitate the survival of your host is delusional
Where have I asserted that? I literally deny that we are more than we are. I find faith and hoping that we are anything more than an animal with self-awareness to be precisely delusional.

All I have is my capacity for reason and experience - I don't follow a life of hope or faith because I work with what IS here, rather than projecting.

>>7888886
To me, the bible is a collection of metaphorical allegories and an ethical framework for living in accordance with God's will (natural design) and not succumbing to the worldly ways of man (ideology).

>>7888913
>To me, the bible is a collection of metaphorical allegories and an ethical framework for living in accordance with God's will

Again, this is your own personal opinion, and preference, in your ideological construct.

The bible is a legitemate historical text according to the truly pious. It is also (at lest the old testament) heavily influenced by other belief systems, and has a clear lineage in which we can find its influences and illegitimacy as a 'work of allegory or of having any godly influence. As i have asked before, when you hold this deist view, and hold it to be true, why would you then, without any real evidence, jump on one bandwagon (christianity) and not on another? We are talking metaphysics here, not your ideological fetishes, to be clearer then before.

>>7881227
What are your thoughts on Rorty?

>>7888956
All scripture must be subjectively interpreted for coherence to some stance of explanation; that's why there are so many different denominations. It doesn't make mine any less valid or less Christian. As for the other critiques, I already addressed these above.

>>7889134
So, you wont go deeper into the it? Then it is as i have said. Some Dostoevskyesque metaphysics mixed in with /pol/ influences.

>>7888913
>the bible is a collection of metaphorical allegories
The thing about this is that whenever one attacks The Bible there is always a Christian (just think about a random passage P of The Bible and the set of all Christians and their interpretation of P. I'd wager that even among *them*--THE "TRUE" BELIEVERS AND FOLLOWERS OF LORD JESUS CHRIST SON OF GOD--the interpretations will be, on the whole, mutually inconsistent and incompatible) that will say that you're misinterpreting it, or that it is not supposed to be taken literally, or allegorically or metaphorically. The thing is that they are just as clueless as anybody else with regard to its true meaning, even though Occam's razor suggests that there are plenty of instances in The Bible that are best interpreted literally.

It's an old Jewish story of its time. As it happens, it's pretty much bullshit and it doesn't correspond to reality, neither scientifically or ethically (its ethics is a joke), and there's no point in arguing about it. But arguing with angry Christians can, sometimes, get amusing.

>>7889171
He doesn't really believe it, he just likes to. Look at the post above, and the previous stuff the guy said. He just wont phrase it as it truly is.

>>7889182
What is "real"? A spook can be felt to manifest in reality. Is Socialism real? It has a tangible impact on worldly proceedings through its possession of mind. Ideas, metaphysical "spirits", have power over people and work through them. In some ways, they exist as living in this world even though they are not physically present. Maybe the Christian God is a spook, a spirit but one that I revere for bending mortals towards my ideal of natural order and non-degeneracy.

>>7889293
So god to you is your own ideological construct, you own morals, acquired through experience are his will? If you cut the mental gymnastics and schizophrenic comparisons, you technically believe that you are in fact god, or the big other that is within your mind, is god watching you; you watching yourself watching the world watching the big other.

>>7887615
>>7887751
the dialectic is real...

>>7881205
Real niggas do real things

>>7889319
Not really, this is my post-ego, post-nihilist, post-buddhist interpretation of religion. Now I only desire the world to abandon ego constructed artifices in the place of nature (yes, that desire is in fact a form of ego but it is one that does not promote subjective self interest). Also, it's impossible for me to completely avoid trying to form solutions, as abstract as they may be. Even the will to be without ego is a form of solution to form with the objective totality.

>>7889319
Spooks exist independent of my judgement and they embody aspects of human experience. Some spooks have the power to destroy other spooks in order to mould a societal zeitgeist more into alignment of organic patterns.

>>7881205

Jewish Bolshevism...

Nah... I am Atheist Nihilist, I believe that sums it up quite well.

>>7889346
>Now I only desire the world to abandon ego constructed artifices in the place of nature

Biologically impossible, also what nature, what are you talking about? Everything you do is in your self interest, if you are aware of it or not. Ideology can not be escaped, only observed and deconstructed in some form of meta-ideology. What you are doing is basing your new ideology on your experiences, and introspection and so on, but you wont admit that you do it all because of novelty, a reason to live or whatever.

>>7889374
Why'd you say the same thing twice?

post-marxist thought

but in praxis i am just a simple farmer tending to my memes

>>7889394

I fucked up... don't judge me anon... it is hard enough to navigate this pointless existence.

>>7889371
Are you the same guy?

Anyway. I'm guessing that by spook you mean an ideology or an abstract belief. Yes ideologies come into conflict and which one comes out on top or even if they syncretise is a complicated process, it depends on people, different groups, individual motivations, even the weather. But its not going anywhere really, its just happening and is under the influence of everything. What organic patters, i don't understand.

>>7889383
I don't think you really understood my point. Religion -does- project self interest into the ends of natural order over the artificial. I also admitted that it's impossible to escape the paradigm of solution creating for self interest. My interest has coalesced in the conservation of traditional nature. Maybe you can argue this benefits my particular genotype but I don't really care; consciously, I'm pursuing this from the perspective of detachment. Conscious intent is the only meaning one can really associate to.

>>7889421
Inorganic patterns tend to have a very corrosive effect on society and usually hasten its collapse.

>>7889432
We are in the same book but on different pages in this discussion, if you understand my meaning.

>>7889452
I see, so this would be the ''degenerate elements'' in the society i assume?

>>7889465
Exactly

desu senpai I follow a lot of eastern ideas of the appreciation of the simplistic things in life, and an attunement with the environment and its ever-changing patterns. I also believe in the everything is imperfect idea

As for western concepts, I use Sartre's idea of Radical freedom and Foucault's theories on power structures

Scotus-based realism
Spinozan agnosticism

>>7887166
>Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
What a sad quote. Is your god not in the world? Did your god not create the world? Why would you hate your god's creation?
Christianity seems so inconsistent.

>>7882948
Savage.

Don't think existentialism is necessary for people with near indifference to the world.

>>7889887
pre-fall creation is not post-fall creation

>>7881684
>christian
>existentialist
have you read any kierkegaard?