/lit/ - Literature

>>7781946
Can we all agree that the best part of Inferno was when Dante espoused that Julius Caesar being killed was one of the worst things to befall humanity, because he represented a unified Italy under divinely orchestrated rule?

>>7781965
let's dispel this notion that Julius Caesar didn't know what he is doing. Of course he knows what he is doing.

he knew he wasnt christian but picked him anyway

Virgil also wasn't christian, dumbass, and Dante obviously fucking knew that. He placed Virgil into a group of "exceptions" that didn't get to go to heaven, but weren't punished in hell either, because they were significant proto-christian intellectuals. This is pretty clearly articulated, so clearly you didn't read the inferno.
Plus every one those roman niggers were fucking their bros and some little bois to boot in their day, and Dante would have known about that, regardless of whether or not he knew about Virgil specifically.

>>7781968
What?

>>7781998
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdY-t4MRqxw

>>7781998
/pol/ retardation, basically. Le corn man is idolized by wrong generation cuckservative reactionaries.

>>7781974

>According to John D. Sinclair, Dante respected Brunetto Latini immensely but nonetheless felt it necessary to place him with the sodomites since, according to Sinclair, such behaviour by Latini was well known in Florence at the time.

>>7782015
I idolize Julius Caesar, but I'm not really /pol/.

>>7782015

>cuckservative

Joke's on you, I'm an ethnic nationalist.

>>7782015
>le corn man
Someone direct me to a good meme dictionary, I am lost

>>7782058
He's referencing this.

>>7782058
>aramini

>>7782015
but the corn man is Nabokov you newfag

>>7782067
I've been here for ages and still don't get that meme. Or rather what's funny about it.

>>7782028
That's right, because Latini was a modern Italian christian, not a Roman intellectual
Again, why do people who haven't read Dante post in Dante threads?

>>7782090
Corn is an old word meaning grain. It only came to apply colloquially to "corn" (American maize) much later. Pretty recently. Older translations of books will often say "corn" when they mean grain, and modern readers will picture maize corn.

The joke of the image is that the original person who posted it either didn't know or was pretending not to know that maize corn is a New World discovery, and there's no way Caesar could have been referring to it. Presumably he should have known or inferred that Old World grain was meant. Whenever it would be posted everyone would fall over themselves to show off their sick knowledge of corn etymology, so people started doing that preemptively/ironically, so it became a meme.

>>7782087
>newfags pretending to be oldfags
Nabokov's the cornfather, Caesar is le corn man.

>>7782090
There's a translation of that book that translates the latin word for 'grain' as 'corn'. And in that book Julius Caesar spends a ton of time talking about grains and farms.

>>7782090
At one point he talks about Gallic Agriculture, so now it's a meme.

>>7782090
Corn is from the Americas, not Italy.

>about his sexuality
what about it? was he gay?

Also Nabokov disliked Faulkner's corncobby chronicles (a reference to the corn cob rape scene in Sanctuary) so he became corn father.

>>7782198
What exactly does the word "corncobby" even mean though

>>7782105
Thanks anon. If I knew earlier I would be saved many a rage reading history books.

>>7782087
Nabkov is the cornfather because of his crack about Faulkner's "corncobby" prose. Caesar is the corn man because corn/grain.

>>7782250
Folksy, provincial, reminiscent of the type of person who smokes a corncob pipe while telling their grandkids stories about the "good old days".

>>7782198
>>7782250
>>7782388

i sincerely think Nabokov was trolling academia with his vitriolic criticism of contemporary and even classic writers and works. like his prose, you cannot take his comments at face value.

also, the corn cobby comment is an allusion to Faulkner's Sanctuary, where the item in question plays quite a role.

do you guys even read Faulkner or Nabokov?

>>7782105
>sick knowledge of corn etymology,
Kek. Best summary of /lit.

is the Inferno the greatest piece of fan-fiction ever produced?

>>7782420
no my diary desu is

>>7782442
Do you meet up with some gay boys for a romp in Hell?

>>7782053
>ethnic nationalist

>>7782485
SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU ANIME NERD CUNT ARRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>7782485
Please tell me what anime this is from and then I'll go away.

>>7782550
Non Non Biyori or some shit.

>>7782558
Thank you.
Go back to talking about smart stuff.

>>7782406
He was trolling them, but that doesn't mean he wasn't at least half-serious when he said those things.

Virgil was very tame by Roman standards. He didn't even want to publish the sex-favor exchange scene between Venus and Vulcan but Augustus ordered his boys to do so anyways once he died.

Ovid, who was a contemporary of Virgil's time, on the otherhand, got into some very sexual shit that was even too extreme for the Romans, and Augustus sent him to the black sea among the Scythians to stop his degenerate influence on the Romans cuz he liked him too much to kill him. He was probably the perverted drunk uncle of his personal poet circle who needed to be alone in time-out for a while.

>>7782793
Did any of these poems survive? Have read the satyricon I'm curious.

>>7782028
>>7782104

Also, keep in mind that at the time of Dante's writing "sodomy" had a wider meaning than just "buttfucker". It could be taken as sexually promiscuous in a more general way.

Wait, since when is Virgil gay?

>>7783809
Everyone on the past was gay now anon

>>7783754
Sure, but it's still a sin, and Latini still went to hell for it when Virgil didn't, even though Latini was Dante's own father figure whom he respects presumably as much as he does Virgil. The point is that Virgil and other ancients can be semi-forgiven because they didn't know any better. But also, Latini obviously isn't congruent with Virgil in how much respect he deserves as an intellectual figure

>>7781946
>Virgil predicted Jesus tho
Now the last age by Cumae's Sibyl sung
Has come and gone, and the majestic roll
Of circling centuries begins anew:
Justice returns, returns old Saturn's reign,
With a new breed of men sent down from heaven.
Only do thou, at the boy's birth in whom
The iron shall cease, the golden race arise,
Befriend him, chaste Lucina; 'tis thine own
Apollo reigns. And in thy consulate,
This glorious age

Burning abyss sucks now

>>7782109
This answer is much more accurate than >>7782105
The joke wasn't some kind of faux-irony about incorrectly translating 'grain', it was just that the book spends an inordinate amount of time talking about things like the cultural practices of german tribes and agricultural preperations.

>tfw poor Aedui kept getting massacred by their neighbors and were ignored when they went to Rome to ask for help

>>7781965
Italian disunification was good for the West, eventually. Competition on a micro level between those cities allowed new institutions to develop and be tested, and gave intellectuals a new-found importance.

We saw something similar once continental politics became the name of the game, someone in the 17th century.

>>7782015
That's odd. He was a lefty in the context of Roman politics.