/lit/ - Literature

>>7553350
cool, when was this made?

>>7553351
I just made this one and the one in OP. I just finished The Dying Grass. Only books I haven't read from Vollmann are the Rising Up and Rising Down series on violence.

Hey, taking requests, I've got the following:

- Books about Books
- Bread Pill
- British/Irish Literature
- Christian History
- Christianity
- Classics
- Czech Literature
- Dante Translations
- Depressing Literature
- Drugs Literature
- Exit-Level /lit/core
- Greeks (different from the one posted)
- Japanese Literature
- Essential Leftist & Progressive Literature
- How to Get Into (Mostly) Western Occultism
- /pol/ Essential Reading
- Postmodernism
- The /lit/ Guide to Right-wing Literature
- Russian Literature
- Sci-Fi
- How to Get Into Soseki
- Surreal Literature
- Vikings

>>7553360
interested in Postmodernism and Vikings.

>>7553288
Top lek

>>7553360
Russians, books about books

>>7553362

>>7553362
not him but here's the Vikings one

>>7553366
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>>7553366
..

>>7553355
Rising Up and Rising Down are the actual final level.

>>7553388
No kidding. Damn near impossible to get a set though.

>>7553399
If you're in college, or know someone in college, university libraries have it.

>>7553407
kek

>>7553407
k3k

>>7553360

>>7553368
This is a good chart.

Is there a /lit/ guide to Islam or shall I make one?

>>7553496
No and no.

>>7553496
Make one

>>7553501
fuck off retard

>>7553360
I am actually interested in the leftist & progressive literature. I hope I don't derail the thread with that, I am just curious how such a chart would look like on here.

>>7553435
What is Tolkien doing there?

>>7553286

This collection was put together by a different anon and posted in the last chart thread:
https://mega.nz/#!d1RQzRjb!YJ7-7CIkMZyUE5en7apvTQEfSOIiNHD_xAkK1f8FLHU

>>7553520

>>7553360
/r/ing /pol/ thanks m8

>>7553524
Most popular Catholic author of the 20th century whose goal was to convey the Catholic truth in most of his work?
Dunno.

>>7553530
What am I looking at

>>7553360
>British/Irish Literature
>Surreal Literature
>Classics

Could you please post these?

>>7553286
This is actually sort of how I was planning to approach McElroy's works. I was going to read Actress before Cannonball, but aside from that it's pretty much all there. Thanks.

>>7553368

I know this isn't meant to be definitive or even eclectic, but has anyone read Coover? Yes supposed to be somewhat like Barthelme.

>>7553537
I never heard about Tolkien trying to convey catholicism with his works. Didn't he actually criticize Lewis for being too blatantly religious with his Narnia series? Or did he just criticze him for being too clumsy?

I never really got catholic vibes from any of the Tolkien I have read.

>>7553535

>>7553547

>>7553554
>Rand

>>7553547
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Is there a german one?

>>7553547
..

I consult this one a lot.

>>7553501
>>7553510

Ok, I'm putting a fuck ton of time into this thing.

Does anyone have recommendations for Islamic themed literature? I have Rumi and Ian Dallas at the moment.

>>7553382
>>7553377
Cheers

>>7553565
Switch M&D with the PC and you're correct

>>7553435
>Tolkien is listed
>the bible isn't

Oh, catholics...

Its done... for now. I'll post this in a thread later so I can get input on it, but I'm happy with it at the moment.

>>7553662
>the average person is a scholar of Roman Judea, ancient Greek, and the old testament, and is therefore in a position to interpret the bible for themselves

This is what protestants ACTUALLY believe.

>>7553666
I also recommend "Orientalism" by Edward Said

>>7553288
not including pârs-nâme by ibn-i nasuh that talks on how to tame and use a Pars, actual fucking tiger-puma like cat.

are you even patrician m8?

>>7553551
You didn't read deep enough. It's essentially a meta narrative of human need for God.
Lewis is obvious about it, Tolkien very subtle.

>>7553662
Why would anyone need the bible recommend for Christian lit, that's literally the first they will remember

>>7553355
You should add poor people to non-fiction

plays

>>7553529
Is postmodernism inherently related to leftism?

>>7553360
drugs literature and Sci-Fi please

>>7554326

>>7554267
Goddamn, i did Euthyphro>Apology>Crito>symposium>phaedo>republic like the sticky suggests

>>7554375
I would add alcohol, namely with
John Barleycorn by Jack London
Moscow to the End of the Line by Venedikt Yerofeyev
The Drinker by Hans Fallada

>>7554470
Alcohol is so ubiquitous in literature it really just voids the entire point of the chart

>>7554487
why? the first book deals with addiction ("demon alcohol") and prohibition; the second is very much like fear and loathing in las vegas but in moscow and on DT and the last is on rehab (in nazi germany). If anything it's wrong to put addictive and the non-addictive drugs onto one chart.

>>7553543
A /lit/ meme.

>>7553666
hey satan, I like the perfumed garden by al-Nafzawi too

>>7554575
You can't just be the only one to get a meme and still call it a meme.

>>7554470
Currently reading John Barleycorn (in my country it is called "King Alcohol" because no one would get the actual title so it took me way too long to find the original title since I did not find anything like King Alcohol in London's bibliography.)
I really enjoy it, I generally like Jack London's style, though I only read Seawolf and White Fang. Where should I go from there?

>>7554224
Care to elaborate?

>>7554719
You seem to be the only one not getting it

>>7554779
That was actually my first post in this conversation.

>>7553288
Nice.

>>7553360
Czech and Russian literature would be great, please and thank you!

>>7555050
I don't have a chart but I have a list of Russian authors if you'd like.

>>7554432
There's no single order. I've done Euthyphro>Apology>Crito>Phaedo>Cratylus>Theaetetus so far

>>7555061
>>7555050
Russian chart has already been posted >>7553377

>>7555050

>>7555061
Just as valuable, it's no problem.

>>7553530
so uh, who is pater duplicat?
father duplicate?
father dubs? is this some meme i am unaware of, these books looked cool, is it just a joke

>>7554276
illegible

>>7554773
The entirety of Lord of the rings is an attempt to put Christian truth into a different form. He considered it the best tale ever told so he chose to rewrite it. Frodo, Aragon and Gandalf are actually elements of Christ, him as a king, God and man. Silmarillion is also very clear about biblical parallels.

>>7555163
>He considered it the best tale ever told so he chose to rewrite it. Frodo, Aragon and Gandalf are actually elements of Christ, him as a king, God and man.
Any source where Tolkien actually said that, or is this just your personal reading of it?

>>7553407
>>7554267
>>7553530

These are fun

>>7553557
Heh, never see Thomas More's utopia get discussed here

>>7553382
can i get recs in this chart from people who've read them?

>>7555172
It's both him saying it and just about everywhere around the internet.

>>7555189
>It's both him saying it
Any source?

>just about everywhere around the internet.
I find a wikipedia article about the themes of the Lord of the Rings, and only a small part of that is about christianity, with no source of Tolkien himself stating the work to be inherently christian, just some light readings of lit profs.
Then I find a short essay about how there are not really that many actual christian motifs in the Lord of the Rings, rather some themes that can be read in a christian way if you want.
Then I find a whole bunch of christian websites that seem rather biased on the matter.

I don't really find anything nutritious about the Silmarilion, which is the book in question here.

I am not saying these books are not christian at all, because clearly there are some christian ideas within them, that is a given with the author being a devote christian, but I don't really see how they are written with the direct intent to spread christian thought.
Feel free to give me sources that state otherwise, I am actually interested.

>>7555186
I read the "how to read a book" by adler and its unnecessary... You can find quick tldrs online.

Cant speak for the rest

Does anyone have the translation chart for the divine comedy?

>>7555286
You know people usually don't keep that kind of stuff in files?
I could right now look it up in the same way as you.
Christian sites are usually more interested in religion in literature. You could look it up there and assess the argument.

>>7555362
Well, you claimed Tolkien himself said that, I would actually like to read that myself. I find nothing that cites him though.

I've been skimming some of these christian sites, none of them make any substantial points above that wikipedia article, only that they present their conclusion in a much more factual manner (aka: "Frodo is a Christ-like hero." instead of "Frodo can be read as a Christ-like hero.")

And yes, christian sites are more interested in religion in literature, but they are also more likely to read relatively non-religious literature in a religious way. And that's totally okay. Basically half my circle of friends is christian theology students (I myself am studying literature and philosophy), and I often have talks with them and how they see more christian motifs in works where I see barely any. Books can be read in different ways.
You however made the claim that Tolkien wrote the Silmarilion (was that even you posting the chart?) with the clear and direct intention of representing christian ideals. I would like you to point out at what point he did confess that:

>>7555434
I read it somewhere, like years ago in a pretty long article. It was a part of discussion he had with Lewis prior to his conversion. It was quoted there, assuming it's not a false article that they both attempted to retell the greatest tale ever told.
Or maybe I'm just wrong. I'm not a big Tolkien expert and mostly like him for Silmarillion and Children of Hurin which I read a year ago. It's usually, at least as far as I know and I agree, as a work with heavy Catholic influence and generally a pretty good book so I put it there. Maybe should have gone with Silmarillion. But it's less recognizable and I went with mostly more known works of each author. One can after those easily read more specific works.
Silmarillion pretty much starts with his attempt to retell genesis and later on delving more specific into fall of man. He also has an impressive descriptions of God creating through song and Satan rebelling. Probably the best piece of his work.

>>7555495
>Maybe should have gone with Silmarillion. But it's less recognizable and I went with mostly more known works of each author.
But... Silmarilion is in the chart?

Anyway, yeah, it is my favourite work of his aswell, with Children of Hurin close behind. I find it fun how one of them imitates religious scripture while the other imitates greek tragedy. (Imitate might be the wrong term here.)

But anyway, yeah, the opening of the Silmarilion is very similar to Genesis, but I always just saw that as (like I said above) imitation: Tolkien intended the Silmarilion as some kind of universal work describing basically the story of his entire world, and like every world it needs to start with his creation. It only seems natural for Tolkien to write a creation similar to the christian one. I am not sure if that in itself inherently carries christian values though. Especially since only some of it is christian in form, a lot of it appears greek aswell, especially the way he builds up his pantheon. Tulkas being a particular favourite of mine in this regard.

But anyway, if you only read it in some article years ago and are not really sure you should not be going around spouting things like hard facts. If those posts >>7554224
>>7553537 (etc) were not by you I apologize.

>>7555333

>>7553360
depression plz

>>7555568
I remember it being referenced in places relatively often. It's also due to obvious personal interpretation.

>>7553360
bread pill plz, thanks

>>7555748
w-what's a breadpill?

no bully pls

>>7555797
Christian reading list.
Catholic section posted above.

>>7553360
-Japanese
-classics
-books about books

thanks very much if you can only do one please do jap

Is there a /lit/ version of this?

>>7556035
book about books was already posted in this thread scroll up

>>7556252
I don't know if there is, but this is surely one of the films that women won't understand.

>>7555659
THanks

>>7555659
nice is there any other charts about translations?

>>7553619
I've only read one short story out of it but _Tales of the Dervishes_ would be a good addition, if Sufi fits in with Islam.

Requesting some charts concerning Buddhism please.

>>7553666
>mfw no qutb

>>7553360
Czech please

>>7556499
I'd like to see more of these as well. Especially for works from Tolstoy, and Dostoevsky.

>>7553666
Appreciate the effort.

Is there a how to into David Foster Wallace
I have become genuinely interested in the meme book and am wondering if it's fine to start there

>>7557560
I read and enjoyed Infinite Jest in like tenth grade so it isn't that hard to jump into. If you're hesitant about the size of IJ, you can feel out his short stories in Oblivion (Good Old Neon is widely regarded as excellent) or Girl with the Curious Hair. Broom of the System is a bit Juvenile and largely avoided. The Pale King is also much easier than Infinite Jest. But seriously if you make it to at least page 100 in IJ you'll probably start to get obsessed with the plot and finish it. I think I gave up halfway through my first read, but a few weeks later started again and finished the whole thing. I've read it a total of maybe 6 times all the way through

>>7557560
It grows on you, if you give up the first time just keep banging your head against it and soon you'll be a fanatic like everyone else

>>7553619
Soumission

>>7553407
what the fuck is this

>>7557897
just a prank bro

>>7557132

nigga it has a Sayyid Qutb Reader published by Routledge, which has bits from his Quranic commentary and also Milestones along with commentary and an introductory essay.

>>7554326

>>7555050

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>>7556035

>>7557139
Posted above. >>7558062

>>7553557
>only one Conrad book

Dropped

>>7553557
I just finished Tom Jones. Fielding sure hated him some catholics huh.

>>7554375
I am greatly suprised that Mishima was junkie. He looks more like noble, clear-headed man who might be anti-drugs

>>7553288
What about Tracey's tiger?

Idea for a chart: Boozy books, or books about alcoholism/with ubiquitous alcohol use.

There was a thread posted her about a book some lit guys hated, it's about someone ho drinks a lot (and he is a bad person?) someone said it's "the lit version of NHK".

Anyone got an idea for what it is?

>>7555186
the hall of uselessness is a must.

art of fiction is pretthy decent

>>7556252
>All those films directed by men
>Adding the Ascent, the film on the list which probably least relates to the female experience, just because it's directed by the greatest female director.

>>7553353
CONFIRMED

>>7559076
This is literally fedoracore. Idealy /lit/ approved video games would put gameplay first which is also be the artistic essence of vidya if there is any..

Gameplay in Deus, Plancescape, and Deadly Premonition is shit to nearly non-existent.

>>7557186
this is a good list

Don't play video games.

>>7553530
I have this sudden urge to write Cypress Funeral.
Idk why, it looks like it would just be a comfy read in real life

Bumping for interest

Is there a chart for Warhammer 40,000?

>>7559235
Thanks.

>>7557186
Don Quixote should be alongside Moby Dick.

>>7559076
I am almost 100% sure the person who made this was baiting, but sadly, there's still a chance the person who was making this was serious.

Is /lit/ approved YA an oxymoron? Could it exist?

>>7560127
Of course there's quality books aimed at "young adults"

Stupid question, really

Keep an eye out for the regular "post books you read as a child and consider quality to this day" thread

>>7560127
>>7560152

>>7539784

anybody have a chart on books of mathematics

>>7557186
No

>>7560585
Probably better to go to /sci/ if you're looking for that.

is there a nietzsche one

>>7560127
There is a modicum, a word which here means "slightly more than none".

Is there a /lit/ approved Reddit chart? Books that /lit/ and Reddit can agree are the greatest?

>>7553382
wtff why no eugene onegin?

>>7560990
hopefully not

/r9k/ or /NEET/ charts?

>>7553554
the seven habits of higly effective people

why.

>>7553666
Appreciate this, thanks anon

>>7557132
Sorry osama

>>7553641
so M&D = GR and PS4 = PC ?

nice contribution

>>7559200
no that would be /v/ approved games. Just as a chart of /mu/s favorite games would ideally be comprised of games with good soundtracks, /lit/s approved games should be focused on writing. /lit/ should recognize that these may not be representative of the best games, but this is the only way to serve the purpose of having a /lit/ guide to vidya

>>7557897
Making fun of "muh background reading"

>>7561919
what are you looking for/expecting?

Seriously, what is the point of these threads?
Can't you just have a look at the sticky?

>>7562335
The point of these threads is to recommend books to people

The sticky is shit

>>7561919

>>7558070

I've read The Sailor who Fell from Grace, Wind-up Bird and Norwegian Wood. What else should I read from Japan? Maybe something a little different too?

>>7562383
Kafka on the Shore is essential Mishima-core

>>7562383
Natsume Soseki, anything. Probably start with Kokoro. Snow Country - Kawabata.

>>7562839
That's Murakami mate. Unless I'm missing a joke here.

>>7562915
Shit, sorry. Meant to say that.

Is there any on hungarian lit?

>>7562353
I'm confused. Is this list supposed to help you grow into neetdom or grow out of it?

bump
>>7557115
anyone?

>>7558065
Was the Road really depressing? Its got some sad parts and tones but saying its depressing seems like a stretch.

>>7563479
Be at peace with it.

>>7557897
So you can dispute with Harry Potter fags how wrong they were

Anyone have that chart about reading James Joyce?

>>7566495
it's Dubliners>Portrait of the Artist>Ulysses>Finnegans Wake

>>7562383

Junichiro tanazaki, the makioka sisters

I might have spelled his name wrong

>>7553529
No Fanon? de Beauvoir? Dworkin? You might not like them but they're pretty essential reading for modern leftism

>>7556252
Not that this is one, but are there any /lit/-approved film charts around?

>>7553537
>Most popular Catholic author of the 20th century whose goal was to convey the Catholic truth in most of his work?

>>7567029
Just look up the Vatican's film list

>>7559076
I know this is bait but still
>no MGS1-4

Does anyone have more philosophy charts? Esp. 20th century? Thanks!

>>7553286

Sure, share them.

What could possibly go wrong?

>>7556252
>india song just because its directed by a woman
>werckmeister harmonies

any BEE flowcharts?
just finished american psycho and i'm looking for suggestions as to what to read next