/lit/ - Literature

>>7543485
Find the root of your problem.
Were your parents weird?

start a diary

stay away from benzos if you value your memory to any extent.

Read A Confederacy of Dunces.

>>7543485
-STOP MASTURBATING
-WRITE YOUR CONCERNS AND VALUES DOWN HONESTLY AND SUCCINCTLY
-MAKE LIGHT OF OTHER PEOPLES CONCERNS WHERE THEY CLASH WITH YOUR VALUES (HUMOUR)
-NO STIMULANTS, NO COFFEE, NO ALCOHOL
-YOGA AND EXPAND THE UPPER RIB CAGE
-ALEXANDER TECHNIQUE FOR POSTURE
-ALL NATURAL DEODORANT AND FOOD
-READ, CONVERSE, DECLARE MORE THAN YOU QUESTION
-GYM/RUN/WALK ERRY DAY
-COLD SHOWERS

There, I fixed you, now I'm going to fuck your crush that you invited here tonight, thanks for keeping her busy while I got other numbers, you're the man.

>>7543538
This is really good advice. Having a long-term goal you work on at least a few times a week to keep you focused is essential as well, I would say.

read books on meditation honestly

>>7543501
I dare say they were quite high strung, potentially OCD.

>>7543518
Note to all, I've never had benzos, or any prescription medication really.

>>7543538
I have stopped masturbating.
I do that every now and then when it's most important in my mind.
I consider others.
I like coffee and alcohol, but try to cut back on alcohol and could live without coffee. Stimulants I avoid.
Wanting to get into yoga soon. It's up high on the to-do list.
I've never heard of Alexander technique but I shall take note.
Food is a harder one. But I don't live near any fast food places.
I read quite a lot more than before.
Want to exercise but unable to currently.
Cold showers, why?

Thank you based alpha.

>>7543585
Really wanna get that OG meditate and yoga lifestyle going. I feel it would be very beneficial for me.

>>7543580
>Having a long-term goal you work on at least a few times a week to keep you focused is essential as well, I would say.

The dumbest shit I think anyone will ever hear.
"i have anxiety"
"Better introduce an object of procrastination, then!"

>>7543538
fucking hippie

>>7543604
If the long-term goal is something you find fulfilling and have great interest in, then I dare say it should help and would be nowhere near procrastination.

>>7543604
I bet you realised how stupid that was like one second after you hit the "submit" button, right?

>>7543610
lmao okay.
keep working on that youtube channel!

>>7543601
>Cold showers, why?
Conditions yourself to move towards the discomfort, as a daily reminder that you can overcome mental concern easily with zero harm.

>>7543601
>>7543623
Yes and cut yourself too while you're at it, it serves the same purpose

>>7543627
holy frick

>>7543605
More a Luddite Individualist.

>>7543627
It clearly says zero harm. Cutting is more for permanent appearance sake and you know it, if they wanted to merely overcome discomfort they could just endurance run or take cold showers and not tell anyone.

>>7543623
Have you used this to positive effect?

>>7543623
asceticism is just a self-righteous form of bondage play fyi

degenerate

That's terrible! Perhaps shitposting like a two dollar faggot in the literature section of a burmese online dating site will help!

>>7543778
>>7543780
>Self-righteous
Haven't found a better determiner of values for myself other than me so I'll happily accept this title.

I don't deny that things taste good or feel good when they surely do, I just don't think they should be chased at every conceivable moment or routinely when another better, long-term habit can be formed. I don't have any romanticised notion of it doing anything other than providing contrast and encouragement for the day. I'm a regular hedonist in the sexual arena.

>>7543860
>Haven't found a better determiner of values for myself other than me so I'll happily accept this title.

>>7543864
How does the virtues I set for myself limit my ability to have value for others and want the best for them? (see my big list of advice above)

I am just the average amoralist who has found nothing pre-packaged in the ethical sphere as a worthy guide for me.

>>7543485
STOP JACKING OFF
FIGHT YOUR DAD
STOP SMOKING WEED
START LIFTING WEIGHTS
VOTE DONALD TRUMP
WORLD PEACE

Basically, stop acting like a beta fag cuck and you will stop feeling like a beta fag cuck.

>>7543889
you're also being made fun of but I'm sure you're aware by now

Take better care of yourself
Spend time with friends
and the number 1 solution:
Get the fuck off of 4chan.

>>7543895
What I find so funny about the alt right is that everytime I try to go in depth and really think about what makes them tick...

I hear this, over and over, I don't know if there is anything more to it than a shallow meme

>>7543914
I'll advance arguments so others can see and mimic down the line, that is how altruistic I am.

>>7543925
That is the basis of all political ideology. It's just that the right wing idealizes energy, activity, power and strength, rather than self-victimization, defeatism and weakness like the left.

>>7543889
>How does the virtues I set for myself limit my ability to have value for others

those values are shit and nullify any value you ever might have had to anyone.

>I am just the average amoralist who has found nothing pre-packaged in the ethical sphere as a worthy guide for me.

yah so a narcissist

>>7543931
nice meme m8

>>7543925
The alt right is completely reactionary, like all modern conservatives. There would be no conservatism without progressivism. There is only forward progress or conservative resistance to progress that inconveniences them personally.

>>7543937
>n-nice meme
>pls don't hurt
I'll fucking break you in half kid, step the fuck up

>>7543895
HIGH-ENERGY POST

I would just add, be sure to pull your mistress' hair more than your long term partners, just so she doesn't go chitterchatting to main bitch.

>>7543936
You still have your panties in a twist over being disagreed with back at the beginning of the thread. You're wrong and you don't have anything to say. Go bother some other board.

>>7543936
>narcissist
I don't think you know what this means, are you new to psychology and philosophy?

>>7543948
my first post was where i mocked your ascetism

keep fighting those windmills tho

>>7543950
i'm perfectly aware of what that means, but you seem confused. do you need some secondary resources to help you understand it?

>>7543960
Everybody, this is why you shouldn't spend too much time alone. Because you turn into a gremlin like this guy, starting fights because that's the only way you can get people to pay attention to you.

>>7543960
Post your best definition, utilitariandog, maybe not from the highest paid actor in hollywood this time.

>>7543942

>so hardcore

>>7543976
>y-you're just insecure and projecting
Typical effeminate response, I'm surprised you haven't called me a virgin or insinuated that I have a small penis yet.

>>7543968
we're not fighting, bro, don't flatter yourself. i'm just making fun of you.

>>7543980
>you have to be 18
>don't you have some /pol/ to be pegging?
>you 'avin a giggle m8?
>kek
where the fuck do you think you are.

>>7543996
>a bloo bloo bloo bloo go away you're triggering me
True intellectuals have always been strong, determined and in charge.

>>7544000
You should get help man. This isn't normal behavior.

>>7544000
>True intellectuals have always been strong, determined and in charge.
>saying this/being on 4chan

>>7544005
Of course it isn't, normal behavior is being a weak and scared little self-hating shit. What kind of person with even a modicum of self-respect, ambition and will would want that?

>>7544012
This is about as valid coming from you as it from a schizophrenic or a bum.

>>7544012
Weak and scared? Like someone who thinks it isn't the USA's moral responsibility to accept all refugees regardless of race, background, or religion?

>>7544017
Stay a trembling pile of jelly, it pains me to see but maybe you'll get up off your ass and become a human some day.
>>7544010
I'm on 4chan because I want to be on 4chan. Why are you here?

>>7544020
Any mods around? Can we ban this guy?

>>7544020
>>7544026
samefag

>>7544026
>MODS
>MOOOOOOODS
>this guy is scaring me! get him out of here
go to reddit or SA or whatever other beta male shithole you crawled out of
>>7544019
The only moral responsibility the USA has is to take care of American families.

>>7544028
If anyone is actually wondering.

>>7544029
>The only moral responsibility the USA has is to take care of American families.
And I guess the best way to take care of American families is maintaining a tax system that continually skews wealth towards the elite and away from the middle class? I mean, I knew the right was morally bankrupt, but I didn't expect it to be so direly intellectually bankrupt as well.

>>7544029
The Americans who've never read a book that's not approved by oprah, or the ones who can't find Turkey on a map? Or the ones who think we should bomb agrabah?

>>7544047
Where did I say that? I'm not a neocon by any means.
>>7544048
People are stupid and need to be ruled, holding animosity towards them is like being angry at a dog for pissing on the rug. It's a stupid animal and knows no better, therefore it must be disciplined.

>>7544056
You didn't? Oh, sorry for assuming - it's just that people that who worship MDE and use "cuck" as punctuation tend to be birds of the same ideologically inconsistent feather.

>>7544056
And it's only a coincidence that those same stupid people are spouting the same meme views as you are, huh?

>>7544056
This guy is obviously trolling.
BTW that Plato picture reminds me of an idea for a drink I had called "Plato Sport" where the logo was that stone portrait of Plato. None of my friends found it funny but I couldn't stop laughing. Hopefully there is somebody else on this big old board who agrees.

>>7544070
... what's the joke?

>>7544077
I don't know, I just thought it was funny. Like "Mona Lisa cola" or something. Or selling sports jackets by having Michaelangelo's David wear them.

>>7544082
you sound painfully boring to be around and I actually feel bad for saying that.

>>7544056
>People are stupid and need to be ruled, holding animosity towards them is like being angry at a dog for pissing on the rug. It's a stupid animal and knows no better, therefore it must be disciplined.
What makes you any different, buddy?

>>7544085
You just don't understand comedy, my friend.

>>7544070
>>7544082
Lame, not even /lit/ lame, that is low.

You have to be offensive to someone's values to be funny, random still needs to be recognisable a little, maybe you should have gone with Centaur Condoms, or Oversized Mug of Christ that says World's Greatest Son.

>>7544136
>Oversized Mug of Christ that says World's Greatest Son
You sound like your step-mom gave one to you.

>>7543538
I'm working on the quitting the fap
I need my coffee senpai
Yoga gives you demons
Cold showers it's 20 degrees you crazy my man

>>7544142
My real mum's masseuse gave it to me, on the condition that I don't tell daddy about mummy's in-house moan sessions.

>>7544070
>Plato Sport

OP I donno if you're still here or what, but I've struggled with anxiety for years.

The two biggest things to help are meditation and exercise. It sounds dumb but you would be surprised how a 30min moderate-energy bike ride can do for you.

Also, you need to redefine yourself. The more you define yourself as an anxious person, the more real the problem becomes. I made this mistake and it cost me dearly. The best thing to do is to forget about it and try to move on.

Last, never run/hide from an anxiety attack. If you're feeling anxious at a bar with friends (for example), and all your instincts are telling you to get away or go to the bathroom for a while (to calm yourself down), DO NOT go. Leaving the situation basically confirms to your body that there is indeed a real problem and will make it worse. Tough it out and concentrate on the conversation.

As for drugs, I never wanted to get on antidepressants but I take a very low dose of a beta blocker (10mg of propranolol twice a day) which is helpful.

>>7543485
Do you drink coffee, OP? How often do you expose your skin to the Sun? Magnesium and vit. D deficiencies are the most common causes of self-described paranoia. I'm not even kidding right now.

>>7544234
If you can't quit coffee you might as well kill yourself and get it over with, you're too weak for this life.

>>7544389
I quit coffee cold turkey last year and I had crazy withdrawals, I couldn't believe it. I can't even imagine what people with real drug addictions go through.

I'm happily back at it now

>>7543601
Don't listen to the contrarians, cold showers are good for blood circulation. You won't get the microwave face if you wash it with cold water, too. Just keep in mind to actually clean both your face and body (with warm water and soap) beforehand.

>>7544405
I bet you no poo too
>>>/fa/

>>7544317
>you need to redefine yourself
This is the biggest one actually. Slowly find some new people and encourage them to set (what you would now call) an unreasonable expectation of you i.e. in being funny, a good story teller, centre of attention or the organiser or thinking ahead, or asking other people for help or approaching women/everyone with friendly quips about the situation you are both in, and most of all don't be predictable, no one likes it, always have a answer ready for their predictable questions.

If I was only allowed to speak about the things I believed in I would have run out of things to say a long time ago. There is just a lot more content in everything else.

Be playful with others by being imaginative and thinking of the conversation in images of which you are all painting a nice picture.

>>7544403
You should taper.

I mistook you for OP though, you don't have to kill yourself as long as you don't complain about anxiety while taking stimulants, m8.

>>7543538
>stop masturbating
>avoid coffee

Placebo help 2bh

>>7544389
I could, I just don't want to. I know it doesn't sound like that in my first post, I was being funny. It's not everyday I drink it, and when I do I never have more than 1 cup.

>>7544403
You probably drank more than me. I never had withdrawals but I felt tired all of the time. I work from home so this is around the house. I can't imagine how people who get up and go to work feel if they don't get a cup in the morning.

>>7544445
Oh I wasn't >>7544234. That may be OP
Just commenting on coffee withdrawals

>>7544455
>You probably drank more than me
I was drinking only about 2 cups a day. The first day in the afternoon I got a typical caffeine headache, and the night of the second day I couldn't sleep at all. Then for like 2-3 days after that I generally felt like complete shit.

>>7544448
So are most top selling self-help books.

>>7544455
If 50 cups of coffee a day is okay for Balzac to get into the western canon then I feel fine upping mine to 3.

this has fucking nothing to do with literature guys please don't shit on a shit board

>>7544481
If I drink a lot of coffee and smoke a lot, plus amphetamines, what are the chances of me writing something like Blonde On Blonde?

Another guy with anxiety here

I had a pretty bad panic attack like 2 months ago and since then whenever I go to bed I have big trouble sleeping. As in, I notice my heart beating loudly, I can't lie on the left side of my head, random head rushes etc. Any advice? I tried dropping coffee for a couple of days but no change and I only drink 1 cup like 10-12 hours before sleep anyways. Also I literally can't sit still or mediate, I get weird head rushes when I try to relax, so I'm pretty much always tense.

Any advice? I don't really do exercise or eat well, but neither did I before and not sure if it'll help. Should I take something mild? I'm already supplementing magnesium.

>>7544494
Yeah I had the heart thing for a while, even got it tested, it's all in my head. Which it is, but my brain associated focusing on the rythym as something soothing for some reason, prob because I was paranoid. I don't have it anymore it just went away as I started doing new things like lifting weights. The problems differ for every one, I have breathing and posture problems and these stretches helped me a lot before bed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtH7lQrPoxU

>>7543485

Mindfulness in Plain English is available for free online. It's meant as a secular, practical introductory guide to meditation, and it works very well.

Meditation kills anxiety and helps a lot with stress. Check out some studies. By far the best thing you can do to yourself.

Do not go on benzos for any reason. They literally kill your mind. Permanent cognitive deficits. Withdrawals that are way worse than heroin and can even kill you. Nasty, nasty nasty.

>>7544540
Mediation is overrated, it doesn't "kill" anything nor does it truly help against real anxiety. It's usually already very healthy people advocating it which makes little sense.

>>7543538

>DECLARE MORE THAN YOU QUESTION

Interesting. I'm an idiot, and probably never realized how much I do this. Always wondered why I am considered such a good listener, and on the flip side, account for only 20% of the speech in a conversation.

Probably autism, but thanks for the tip.

>>7544509
I also have breathing problems and I assume posture ones too, but those exercises look a bit silly. I tried the first few but I don't notice anything.

>>7544550

I guess "real" anxiety is like a true Scotsman, in which case, sure.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3772979/

People with generalized anxiety disorder aren't healthy already. It helps, but you have to stick with it. Killed my personal anxiety, but I reckon it wasn't real then, if meditation worked.

Oh yeah, and OP should definitely start exercising on the regular.

>>7544494

Exercise, god damn it. I used to spend 2-3 hours falling asleep and 5 hours of spotty, interrupted shit-tier sleep until I started lifting.

Now I sleep within 20 minutes, consistently.

There are literal millions of people who have had the same experience. The advice that you should exercise to sleep well is a cliché because it is a simple, simple, truth.

>>7544583
I can't go to ther gym because of, well, social anxiety.

Can you recommend me a decent home workout with no tools, assuming I'm a complete wimp that right now only can do like 10-15 push ups before being completely exhausted?

>>7544590
Do like 30min of cardio. Go for a jog or ride a bike.

>>7544590

I haven't ever really used a regimen without weights.

Consult the /fit/ wiki, there's bound to be something.

>>7543580

couldnt agree more. don't listen to the dissent... its jealousy because they don't have the patience or willpower to do this

>>7544590
just start jogging you fat cunt

It's hard to pinpoint what causes anxiety and depression on people, but it varies from person to person.
Over a year ago I was depressed and anxious as fuck. I still am anxious but my agoraphobia is almost gone.
I think rewiring my brain and discovering what I value as good and what I despise made me feel a little better. I don't think there's a formula but you should find something to put you on the path you'll follow for the rest of your life asap.

>>7544691
(Not OP) I think I've always been a somewhat anxious person but I had a bad experience smoking K2 and I think ever since it's become more generalized. I smoked a lot of pot for 5 years which didn't help. After a while I sort of got depressed because I thought my anxiety would never go away.

I've been feeling loads better in the last 6 months or so because of many of the tips in this thread (of which a few have been my suggestions desu)

Is black tea fine instead of coffee? Like 1-2 cups

>>7544919
2 cups of tea is about 1 cup of coffee in caffeine i think, but i find it much less jittery.

why not just quit caffeine for a while though?

>>7545020
I don't care for the caffeine, I just like the taste to be honest. I need some kind of hot drink, and am not particularly found of herbal teas

>>7544317
I got propanalol from my doctor for giving presentations (i get these intense body reactions to the point I can't stand on my legs and think my way out of it). That shit works. I take 2 and become so fckn confident because my body doesn't show any nervousness symptoms. However, I ate them all... only can get them on prescription where I live...

I did get very cold sweaty hands of taking them daily, and waking up at night because my breathing stopped once in a while -.-

>>7544691
april last year, i smoked weed for only like the fifth time and fucked it. huge full blown panic attack, evr since then I've had anxiety, I've never had it before and it's fucked me. the only thing that really keeps the anxiety around is the fear that I've done permanent damage. can anyone whose been through something similar give me some reassurance?

>>7544354
I'll check this out thanks anon

>>7544590
torrent a pdf of Convict Conditioning.