/lit/ - Literature

>>7292077
The author of my diary, tbh.

Tennyson

Nabokov.

>>7292077
No one knows who Robert Creely is despite him being fucking class A Beat style shit

Kagney Linn Karter

Hart Crane is the greatest poet of the 20th century but never gets the love that Eliot, Yeats, or Pound get

John Berryman is pretty awesome, no one ever talks about him. People always think I mean John Ashbery

>>7292097
Who do you think is the strongest critic of the 20th century?

Holly Wellin

Roger Gilbert-Lecomte

Nacho Vidal imo

either Juelz Ventura or Johnny Thrust for me

Jynx Maze tbh

Big-suit man.

Some picks of mine:

Dante Gabriel Rossetti -- mostly his sonnets, his early/longer pieces are exhausting, but his sonnets are great

Allen Tate -- kind of heavy-handed Crane/Eliot love child, but has a range of really good poems that take some time to warm up to.

George Herbert -- not really that obscure but for a metaphysical/devotional he's a bit underread. He's close to par with Donne.

William Cowper -- one of my faves (so far) from the 18th. then again it's my weakest century

James Thomson -- The Seasons is neat. He's basically forgotten. Not a "great" poet but he's a curiosity.

Alvin Feinman -- Pretty dense and forgotten poet, recommended for those who want to suck off Hart Crane. I found him on Bloom's recommendation and he really is an excellent lyric poet.

Arnaut Daniel -- make sure you're comfortable in middle/old french/Langue d'oil, he wrote in old provencal. Found him on Pound's advice. Invented the Sestina. I've only been able to slowly creep through two of his poems thus far checking a dictionary over and over again, but so far seems neat. He was one of Dante's favorite poets.

I'm not the most well-read person here but that's my shortlist give or take.

>>7292085

sorta. I mean everyone reads him, but mostly for his shallow early material. He has some real neat poems.

>>7292091

he's poop

>>7292097

everyone who actually reads poetry adores him, so underrated to the public sure, but that's to be expected. he's a poet's poet.

>>7292101

uh I'm pretty sure he's one of the most household names of the 20th

>>7292088

garbage

>>7292147
this. incidentally, I was listening to St. Vincent today and thought, she's a fine lyricist— a poet, even.

>>7292150
>Dante Gabriel Rossett
Beyond shit, kill self
>Allen Tate
Beyond shit, kill self
>George Herbert
Beyond shit, kill self
>William Cowper
terrible, kill self
>James Thomson
absolute pleb shit, kill self please
>Alvin Feinman
awful, please discontinue life
>Arnaut Daniel
Just stop, literally plebbery: the taste. Kill self

>>7292165

Sorry that I shat on whoever your shitty poet was.

>>7292170
that's my first post, please heed its advice

>>7292177

maybe you should read some good poetry : ) I've been reading E Browning's sonnets today which made me realize that there are women poets who can actually write. You should read Sonnets from the Portugese, you'll feel a bit less terse.

>>7292147
>listens to ought once

Robinson Jeffers is criminally under-read.

>>7292150
>re Berryman

yeah you're probably right you seem much more knowledgeable about poetry than me, I'm still just past entry level myself. The average person I talk to about poetry is an english undergrad, and they don't seem to ever have read Dream Songs, but older people and smarter people probably all know him well

>>7292077
John Green

>>7292182
you should kill yourself my man

Jada Stevens

>>7292209

not that I advocate it as a platform or of any use beyond e-cock rating service, but I suggest checking goodreads every now and then to see how much an author is read. You'll be surprised sometimes to see that seemingly obscure picks are commonly read.

http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/86808.John_Berryman

4,796 ratings

Almost as much as Shelley's complete works, much more than Marvell's, almost 10x as many as Hart Crane's, and twice as many as Convex Mirror by Ashbery. Not to be mean about it ofc. Just that it's a great tool to check and see how popular your authors are.

For example all the ones I list generally have less than fifty ratings. Some of them have less than 2. The only exception is Herbert who has about as many as Hart Crane.

Berryman is read a lot for MFA grad programs I hear. I'm not a big fan of him myself but I didn't read him until after I had pursued and gotten more intimate with poets like Donne and Herbert, which spoiled me.

Either Kelsi Monroe or August Ames are the most provocative in my opinion. We are lucky to be alive in their time

>>7292200

>>7292136
I love that poem where she gets rammed in a fake lemonade stand.

Honestly, Nietzsche's poetry is awesome and never gets discussed.

Much like Mozart is the most underrated composer, I would say Homer is extremely underrated.


>>7292085
Tennyson outside of his 'experiments' is garbage.

"Ilion, Ilion" is a great fucking poem.

>>7292915
fuck off, cunt

Obviously Andrea Gibson. Some of her stuff is amazingly profound, if you sweep sjw stuff under the rug anyway. Not that it isn't fun to read but how laboriously she takes on her subject matter can get a bit stale.

>>7292097

Yes!

Thomas Carew seems underrated nowadays for someone who wrote this fucking awesome poem: http://www.bartleby.com/334/137.html

>>7292150
Are you the guy I recommended read Directive by Robert Frost? If so, what did you think of it?

Stephen Crane, John Crowe Ransom, Richard Wilbur, George Sterling, Herman Melville, and Hart Crane are the most underrated in English. Maybe Robert Louis Stevenson and Dante Rossetti as well

There is a shitload of unerrated ones in French, German, Italian, Armenian, and Georgian though

Emerson was a great poet, never see him discussed as such though

>>7293004
>Thomas Carew seems underrated nowadays
nah he's discussed in so many uni courses
some really great poets rarely get a mention

Ehrmann

TS Eliot

>>7293038
From the period or in general?

>>7293066
most overrated poet of all time
literal fucking poison

>>7293072
>7293066
Your language is poisoned
>claims to appreciate the english language
>uses the word fuck

>>7293010

how did you know/remember? jesus christ

yeah I read it. At first I was impressed, but now I'm not sure what I think overall. I think the first line is brilliant but the poem gradually falls apart because it becomes too... well, frost. Been 2 weeks since I read it, I have the opening line memorized, but the rest is a blur. Overall I appreciated and liked the recommendation, which does not mean I liked the poem, but enjoyed being pointed to it so I could read it. Certainly despite its shortcomings (it's 1am here, in the morning if the thread doesn't 404 I can explain what I thought I didn't like / not useful to me as an aspiring poet) it was very much worth the read.

Thanks!

>>7293076
>claims to appreciate the english language
>doesn't embrace saxon swears
>unironically like ts eliot

>>7293081

okay this post makes me look like I read it for feelies or something and weakly read it. I took extensive notes on it like I do with all poems I read. The trick is being not too tired to post em. So yeah I gave attention to the poem, I just need the time to get my thoughts together when I'm not sleep deprived

>>7293081
>>7293088
I just wanted to know if my recommendation wasn't wasted, and it seems it wasn't, so thanks and you're welcome.

>>7292158
huh.

Steven Merritt tbh

>>7292077
the no anglos

>>7292915
>Tennyson outside of his 'experiments' is garbage.

sometimes you say some real stupid shit

>>7292077

Picasso.

>>7293709
this album made me admit to myself that i was gay

Saint John Perse, despite the Nobel.

He's pretty much superior to any 20th century poets posted so far so yeah.

>>7293890
I would also like to rep the home-team and say seamus heaney...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQqv4BEcUvs

>>7292915
Friends don't let friends read Nietzsche's poetry

>>7294072
>Reading Nietzsche
>Friends

>>7292077
Etheridge Knight.

Lawrence Ferlinghetti
Jack Kerouac
E.E Cummings
Gary Snyder
Arnulf Overland
Li-Young Lee
Richard Hugo

>>7294150
>Jack Kerouac

davidmitchelllaughing.jpeg

>>7292077
Charles Wright, on this board at least. He was the poet laureate in 2013, but his shit is godlike. Google 'Charles Wright Body and Soul'

>>7293920
Don't see what's the big deal with Saint-John Perse.

Nothing special, even Claudel (who's not among the greatest) is better.

Tomas Transtromer

James King

Folder McWannigun

M'bludu Fox

Scatman Jones

Felix Caddillac

And the mandatory: Avram Judenbergman

90% of these posts aren't underrated at all, it's just that none of you have read any books or know anyone in academia so your only interaction with literature comes from this board..

if you're under 25 stop posting for the sake of the board

>>7294249
They aren't as well-known as Shakespeare so they're underrated

>>7294249
>I take academia seriously
Kill thyself

Bronk is occasionally awkward, but I like his stuff.

Robert Frost
Louise Ho
Stephen King
James King

>>7294853
Learned about him from reading 10:04. Any poems you'd recommend specifically?

>>7294862
Same, actually. I tried Vectors and Smoothable Curves, but was really busy at the time and lost interest. People seem to like it though.

I have Life Supports which I pick up occasionally and I like. The collection in which Midsummer, which is the poem in 10:04, appears is good.

Bo Burnham
Bukowski

>>7292077

Pasolini.

>>7294898
His poetry is shit. His prose is better.

>>7294230
>Don't see what's the big deal with Saint-John Perse.
>Nothing special
Il est temps pour toi de relire Amers mon vieux. J'aime bien Claudel par contre, surtout Connaissance de l'est, mais de là à dire que c'est comparable...non.

>>7294856
Please for the love of God explain to me how Robert fucking Frost is an underrated poet

>>7295307
on lit people see him as worthless entry level, because they don't see how good he actually is

therefore, underrated

poetry is objectively bad

>>7296917
fuck u

>>7294150
Cummings always

>>7294150
>>7297205
Cummings is pretty popular though

Lawrence Durrell

Ted Berrigan, Tambourine Life
Nathaniel Tarn
James Merrill

Paul Celan, at least on /lit/

>>7294228
I had a literature professor whose name was Charles Wright. He said he got emails addressed to the poet all the time by mistake. Thanks for reminding me to look him up.

>>7292077
tbh any author that didnt write in english

>>7292077
Nietzsche

>>7297243
>>7297205
>>7294150
Cummings is mainstream.

I'd say John Clare is the least talked-about Romantic around these parts.

>>7292147
My fav government man.

>>7294090
lol yeaaaap

>>7292077
This nigga knows, Joanna is hands down the best contemporary poet out there.

>>7292085
In Memoriam AHH is probably my favourite poetry book.

>>7292088
Fuck yeah

>>7292915
Holy fuck pleb.

>>7299299
The houses were built to last.
Basking in glorious sunlight
Entangled in foliage
That breathed and swam in the wind

Across the street we saw them
They hadn't noticed us.
We hold them up the moment they leave
We take their things. Nobody got hurt.
There are no leaders, we just know the place well...
Everyone is hurting because there's no love to go around...
(the winds supply a minimal cool)

I visit the unknowing witch, shackled to her worries,
She does not desire me
Her dungeon is unkempt
In between words
She shows me her snatch
Without really wanting to.

I want to fuck but am too infeliz to get it in.
It's hard being a saint...
...Demons do better instead.

>>7299324
prose to penetrate fiction. sound or absolutely wetaded?

to be honest my prose always gets fucked whenever its posted somewhere. my spacing is what makes it, really...

>>7292077
her arse

>>7299230
Maybe, i'd still say he is underrated

>>7299306
>This nigga knows, Joanna is hands down the best contemporary poet out there.
Is she really underrated though? She's arguably the most famous contemporary poet still under the age of 40.

>>7299348
I'd still disagree. I knew his name before developing even a basic interest in poetry.

>>7299350
Well, most people dismiss her as 'le weird hipster lady with the quirky voice xdddd' and don't bother with her lyrics, so yes.

>>7299426
Maybe the internet is skewering my viewpoint, but I see her being lauded for her lyrics more than anything. I've even seen people compare her to Dylan when they're only vaguely similar.

>>7299438
She's big on the internet, sure.

And yeah the Dylan thing is stupid.

>>7299438
Dylan was a great lyricists though, and his records was better than most of his peers, Nick Drake and Phil Ochs were the best singer-songwriters of the 60s though.

>>7299469
I agree with you about Dylan, I'm just saying that other than their choice of medium and both of them being contemporary folk/singer-songwriters Dylan and Newsom have almost nothing in common.

>>7292097
Well, I will say that I've only in the past couple weeks developed an interest in poetry, and so far Crane's "Chaplinesque" is the best poem I've read with serious intent.

>>7294150
>E E Cummings
I mean, I like a lot of his stuff too, but calling E E Cummings overrated is the same as calling Shostakovich overrated.

>>7299268
John Clare is the hidden seventh English Romantic poet

Scatman Jones.

And the signifieds butt heads with the signifiers,
and we all fall down slack-jawed to marvel at words!
While across the sky sheet the impossible birds,
in a steady, illiterate movement homewards.

Zbigniew Herbert tbh

Should've won the Nobel before Miłosz

>>7292085
Tennyson is not underrated, are you fucking crazy?

>>7292088
Nabokov's poetry was absolute garbage. It read exactly like his prose, which is fine for prose but it's not poetry.

>>7292091
Anyone who's read a book knows the name Creely. Stop getting your idea of literature from /lit/.

>>7292097
>Hart Crane
>underrated
Crane is my favorite poet. He has been for a decade. He's underrated, but not for the reasons you people think. He's underrated because everyone thinks him a failure, for stupid reasons. He's NOT underrated because of popularity; Crane is an extremely well-known name to people that actually read books. Stop getting your idea of literature from /lit/.

>>7292150
I've already discussed this with you lel

>>7292915
Everything about this post is fucking embarrassing. Do you even read German? I do, and Nietzsche was the definition of middling.

>>7293004
I enjoy him. Carew is not underrated, he's appropriately rated. Stop getting your idea of literature from /lit/

>>7293028
>Stephen Crane, John Crowe Ransom, Richard Wilbur, George Sterling, Herman Melville, and Hart Crane are the most underrated in English. Maybe Robert Louis Stevenson and Dante Rossetti as well
Stephen Crane's poetry is not underrated, neither is Wilbur. Stop getting your idea of literature from /lit/. Crane I've already addressed. I dont think the others are worth calling underrated, except I agree with you on Melville. His poetry is underrated.

>>7293034
>Emerson
>Underrated
Read a fucking book lad

>>7293066
faggot

>>7294150
>Lawrence Ferlinghetti
lol not underrated, stop getting your idea of literature from /lit/
>Jack Kerouac
How the fuck is Kerouac underrated? Are you crazy?
>E.E Cummings
Nigger are you out of your mind?
>Gary Snyder
Appropriately rated
>Arnulf Overland
Same as above
>Li-Young Lee
Maybe
>Richard Hugo
Eh, debatable

>>7294228
Everybody I know has heard of Wright.
"On this board" is basically worthless because look at the people that these posters think are underrated. EVERYONE is underrated on this board because nobody here knows shit about poetry.

>>7294643
p much

>>7294649
Read a fucking book

>>7294856
You better be memeing son

>>7294894
Both shit, Burnham isn't a poet and I personally don't consider Bukowski one either. Neither are anywhere near underrated though.

>>7297205
Stupid

>>7298214
>James Merrill
Stop getting your literature from /lit/. Merrill is highly regarded by everyone that reads and writes books.

>>7299268
>John Clare
Clare is the most read romantic poet outside of the high romantics.
>around here
see above

>>7299306
>joanna hands down...
Holy shit, really? Good fucking lord man. She's not even a poet. Neither is Dylan.
>Nabokov
>Fuck yeah
>proceeds to call someone else a pleb
I'm sincerely asking you to either stop posting or read more books, please

>>7300358
>I've already discussed this with you lel

Yeah and you were right. Again I said underread, and even there I was wrong for Herbert/Rossetti. We can agree the others are vastly underread. Tate being in Bloom's anthology means little when Bloom is the only academic to promote him, and when his best poems (imo) are the ones most ignored.

>>7299306
Joanna is awful though.

>>7300405
She's really not. Have you heard you latest album? She's grown a lot as a lyricist.

>>7300358
>Everything about this post is fucking embarrassing. Do you even read German? I do, and Nietzsche was the definition of middling.
I do read German, with a dictionary, though.

Heiterkeit, güldene, komm!
35
Du des Todes
heimlichster süssester Vorgenuss!
— Lief ich zu rasch meines Wegs?
Jetzt erst, wo der Fuss müde ward,
holt dein Blick mich noch ein,
40
holt dein Glück mich noch ein.

Rings nur Welle und Spiel.
Was je schwer war,
sank in blaue Vergessenheit,
müssig steht nun mein Kahn.
45
Sturm und Fahrt — wie verlernt’ er das!
Wunsch und Hoffen ertrank,
glatt liegt Seele und Meer.
[428]
Siebente Einsamkeit!
Nie empfand ich
50
näher mir süsse Sicherheit,
wärmer der Sonne Blick.
— Glüht nicht das Eis meiner Gipfel noch?
Silbern, leicht, ein Fisch
schwimmt nun mein Nachen hinaus…


Read this, educate yourself. I don't think you've read his dithyrambs.

>>7300509
>I do read German, with a dictionary, though.

Not flowerman but this means that you're not fluent enough to judge poetry in the language. Christ you're lame

>>7300606
just kill me already kek this board is too fucking retarded

Also Homer is the most underrated poet

>>7300509
It's so bland; trying so hard to sound poetic but none of the images are particularly impressive. Again, the definition of middling. Had Nietzsche focused his life on writing poetry, he could've written something decent but this is just boring.
And he goes overboard with the sonic effects. For example:
>holt dein Blick mich noch ein
>holt dein Glück mich noch ein
It's so unpleasant, and what purpose does it even serve?

I don't know, all this excerpt tells me is that he didn't write enough poetry to develop any sory of restraint or refinement.

>>7300618
>Also Homer is the most underrated poet
maybe if you wanted to get semantic about translation. but in that case, why Homer and not Ovid or Horace or Herodotus or any other latin or greek poet that nobody reads in the original?

>>7300668
>Herodotus
>poet
why are you even posting? go read a book you idiot

>>7300741
muh history
why are you even posting? do you know what context is you fucking idiot? Put your trip back on, sorry I hurt your feelings

>>7300358
>>7300377
Tbh I think it's more like literally all poetry is underrated

I think Thomas Pynchon's poetry is extremely underrated.

>>7300377
>I enjoy sucking cock of old, crusty academicians
Kill yourself

>>7300743
>Damage control mode

>>7292077
Francis Thomson, tbh fam

>>7292150
>William Cowper

my man

I've been a fan of his ever since he provided me with a slick quote for an essay on Milton which I wrote in university

>>7300358
Okay maybe Jack Keruac was a miss, but I think he is way better than a lot of people on lit gives him credit for.. Mexico City Blues is fantastic imo.
Same thing with E.E Cummings, he surely is famous, i mean he was one of the first poets i got into.. maybe i just have a different definition of over/underrated entails

Thomas hardy

>>7300668
>maybe if you wanted to get semantic about translatio
What are you even talking about? "get semantic"? What the fuck?

>or Herodotus
tbh just get to mars fam

>>7300377
Who are your favorite poets then lad?
And you really don't think Sterling and Crowe Ransom are underrated?
Ransom is so original and he has such great flourishes in his pieces, yet I've only heard the name once or twice in an academic setting.
Sterling, I've never seen mentioned outside of a few early 20th century newspapers and Jack London's works. Are you saying he actually has a little bit of a following, or did you only mean to imply that he deserves to be forgotten?

Anyone feel like poetry is the most pretentious antiquated worthless art? No one cares, and there's better ways to express one's self. It's like jacking yourself off, and shoving the cum into the face of someone who doesn't really like you.

All poets are all assholes whose egos surpass their intelligence.

>>7292077
Sylvia Plath. Sylvia Plath. Sylvia Plath.
I've never read a better confessional poet, and I've never read a poem from her I didn't love.

>>7303097
Anyone else feel like this dude has never read decent poetry?

Anon appears to be an asshole whose ego surpasses his intelligence.

>>7303106
But how the fuck is she underrated? She's as widely read as poets who are 10 times more important

>>7303135
Ask the laymen if he's heard of Sylvia Plath.
Then ask the laymen if he's heard of Robert Frost, or Poe.
I rest my case.

>>7303148
Except plath is taught in nearly all high schools, even more so than Frost. Frost is only known among plebs for le path not taken
>implying she deserves their level of fame anyway

>>7303043
>i can't read
Genuinely asking you nicely to kill yourself, sincerely. What's hard to understand about what I said? Saying Homer is underrated because nobody reads him in the original is a waste of breath and so pretentious it hurts, and plays purely off semantics. Durr nobody reads Homer they read "Homer", yeah no shit but I can guarantee you don't read greek so your entire idea of Homer is from those translations; how do you know he's not actually shit in original and really is overrated?

>Herodotus
literally to the greeks what the greeks are to western civilization. there, need more explanation or do you think you got it now, champ?

>>7303076
I'm saying they're appropriately rated

>>7303113
yes

>>7303106
no nigga