/lit/ - Literature

Chunga Lunga

>>7257277
pic related

>>7257277
Averroes

He's not my favorite, but the best is undoubtedly Osho.

>>7257292
What's a good edition of Averroes in English?

>>7257277
I genuinely don't think it's possible for english speakers living in 2015 to get anything out of any eastern philosophy. MAYBE some really sanitized zen buddhism, maybe, but aside from that it's just coming from too alien a mental place to have any meaning to us. I used to assume it really was meaningless bullshit and they were all charlatans, but I don't think that's likely. I think they were just so different from us down to the most basic levels that we can't meaningfully communicate at all.

>>7257341
Have you even read anything from the Confucian tradition? You're completely wrong.
>I think they were just so different from us down to the most basic levels that we can't meaningfully communicate at all.
This goes beyond racism, tbh

>>7257277
the butterfly man

>>7257341
Totally wrong. Truth is universal.

Though it does help to have multiple translations, the original text, and Google translate. That's how I'm reading the Tao Te Ching and I'm getting a lot out of it.

>>7257356
Fuck off. It's insecure cowards like you who make earnest discussion such a grinding chore in the classroom.

It's not racist to admit that people from hundreds of years ago who had a completely different conception of the universe than we do would generate philosophy that wasn't meaningful to us. Their entire context was insanely different, how could you expect otherwise? The only reason we don't feel the same way about Socrates is a descendant of his existential model has remained popular.

>>7257341
This is also true for nearly all Greek philosophy and literature tbh, especially from the Archaic period.

>>7257373
please be bait

>>7257379
>It's not racist to admit that people from hundreds of years ago who had a completely different conception of the universe than we do would generate philosophy that wasn't meaningful to us.
No, it isn't racist, but it's painfully reductionist. The Chinese language in particular has preserved many elements of its earlier forms over time. A proposition spoken 2000 years ago "the Five Relationships are important," to vaguely translate a Confucian sentiment in a basically acceptable way, carries the same content now that it did 2000 years ago. The Five Relationships themselves aren't different relationships, either.
>Their entire context was insanely different, how could you expect otherwise?
Nobody does expect otherwise. People who study ancient documents take this for granted.
>The only reason we don't feel the same way about Socrates is a descendant of his existential model has remained popular.
I do feel the same way about Socrates, actually.

While I agree that we can't assume that we know exactly what Laozi means when he says "The Tao that can be followed is not an eternal Tao," I don't agree that it isn't worth trying to figure out what these thinkers were trying to say.

>>7257391
Please be bait

bump

>>7257386

It's true for everything besides what you write yourself. The poster you're replying to is a moron.

Can someone post the image on where to start with/ how to make it through "The Chinese" ?

>>7257357
Joke response but the Zhuangzi is a great book, or at least the Mair translation is. Some of the little stories and exchanges have stuck in my head for years, like the pale sage who wanders beyond the seas and subsists only on dew.

>>7257277

Sakyamuni Buddha, obviously

Dolly Llama

>>7257871

Lao Tzu and Confucius, one volume introductions gleaned from online copies of Ivy League undergrad syllabi/reading lists.

Then hit the bibliography.

(this is literally how you start with any topic)

>>7257898
Link to some of the syllabi and bibliographies you've consulted in the past?

>>7257914

I don't really save the links but this method is definitely really useful. It's essentially a way to get your book recommendations from specialists in the field without ever meeting them or paying for their expensive classes.

For example, say you wanted a text on Chinese philosophy. Then Google "Introduction Chinese philosophy syllabus .edu"

and, presto!

http://faculty.vassar.edu/brvannor/110syllabus.pdf

We have enough reading material to keep ourselves busy!

Then you just need to be a close reader and pick up on topics you think are pivotal/would like to know more about. Then repeat!

>>7257928
Don't happen to be the same guy from the other Chinese lit thread going right now are you?

>>7257935

nope

>>7257937
Ah well nice to know there are more of you out there that care to take in the insights of the east.

>>7257942

yeah I know what you mean. my interests in human affairs are too historically broad: I don't care to know the story of the western man in particular, I'd like to know what's going on with this whole world thing.

People will accuse you of being some kind of hipster or something if you want to look eastward. Just smile and move on, it's not worth fretting about.

>>7257953
You wouldn't happen to know the name of an author I'm looking for? He is Chinese and contemporary. Writes about foreign affairs and international relations with a hawkish perspective. Was mentioned on an earlier lit thread but I lost his name.

I tried making threads for it on a regular basis but nothing ever developed.

>>7257962

no idea, sorry

>>7257277
Googled Zhuangzi, and apparently, he says something as "the best way one may use his speech is not to speak", and "the Dao cannot be spoken".
Doesn't it remind you of someone, lit ?

this bad boy right here

>>7257998
who?

>>7257975
well if you could somehow get a thread going and get some people on the case I'd greatly appreciate it!

>>7257998

>>7257998

Wittgenstein was not a mystic. The idea of ineffable truths is probably ubiquitous in all the world's philosophical traditions.

Certainly all the religious traditions recognized aspects of it as they studied and yearned for God or Moksa.

I think it's clumsy to think Wittgenstein and Daoism are similar (the similarities stop almost immediately) because you can pull lines that are parallel.

That being said there is a book comparing Wittgenstein to Buddhist philosophy that has positive reviews. Nothing groundbreaking.

Don't be schizophrenic. Ideas sometimes seem similar or pop up independently in various historical and geographic settings.

That does not mean there are underlying connections worth doting on. For some reason we seem to lose our senses when comparing East and West: hence that stupid article on David Hume and the Jesuit connection.

>>7258010
Title of said book if you would be so considerate anon?

Good subject, OP.
I will need to delve into this one.

>>7258010
>the Jesuit connection.

I would watch the movie

>>7258010
I agree but... I didn't name Wittgenstein, and you thought of him, so there is still an apparent similarity

>>7258030
It's a connection people make all the time, and it doesn't help anyone understand Laozi or Wittgenstein any better. If you want to say "This guy criticized the kind of things language can express so he's the same as this other guy," you can basically use the same reasoning ("2 discourses touching on similar topics are expressing the same idea") to say that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam aren't different, or that Freudians and Lacanians both discuss the subconscious so they must agree on everything.

>>7257295
He was a despicable anti-semite though.

>>7258394
I was just saying there's a similarity that i found funny, not that they're thinking the same, of course

Mencius

>>7258497

there is nothing wrong with being an anti-semite

>>7258497
Shalom!

>>7257277

Buddha

>>7258497
You know how Marxists and Nazis agree that the capitalist system is flawed? The main difference is that Marxists are afraid of names and stick with descriptions ("the owners of the means of production are the root of our problem; their identity is contingent; anyone might be a class criminal") while Nazis aren't afraid of using names but hate descriptions ("the Jews, who own the media and the banks, are the root of our problem...").
Next time you post in a Communism thread, remember which ethno-religious group 'the capitalists' belong to.

>>7258010
This, if we should draw any similarities between Laozi and western philosophy it would be the hedonists and arguably Pyrrhonism.

>>7258795
Oh please, you nazis and fascists base your entire worldview upon a ill defined concept of race/ethnicity/nation where everyone magically work together because most of them is named Peter or John instead of Chang.

It's laughable gibberish no matter if you're liberal, socialist or commie.

Sage because pic related.

>>7257277
>non-Western
>philosopher

tbqh fam, philosophy is a western invention

old asian dudes = "thinkers"

>>7257341
I am almost certain you've read very little eastern texts

>>7258806
I'm not a Nazi, a fascist, or an ethnic nationalist. I'm also not a communist. I'm pointing out that Nazis and Communists describe the same social problems in different ways. Both sides have a point. If the means of production are owned by Jews, then Jews have, even by a Marxist analysis, a lot of power.
Are you Jewish?

>>7258806
When you trigger someone you know you did a good job. I agree though, ideologies are obsolete and we should seek for something better, but claiming everything about fascism or other ideologies is aughable gibberish is stupid. Guess why? You're the first one who gave them an etiquette. You cannot criticize them for being racist or giving labels to people if you do the same by thinkin every fascist/commie thinks that way. I personally know many people who support the aforementioned ideologies and are extremely smart. You can argue that a fascist who isn't racist isn't a real fascist, but that's not how it works today. Politics evolve (sometimes not) and taking the best from the past is something we should look for.

>>7258795
>remember which ethno-religious group 'the capitalists' belong to.
They don't belong to any ethno-relgious group.

Jiddu Krishnamurti

>>7258856
Ethnicity is genetic. Unless you're denying that capitalists have genes this can't be true.

>60 years old
>hitler wanted to exterminate this

>>7258824
>>
>tbqh fam, philosophy is a western invention
>
>old asian dudes = "thinkers"
exactly and this is the demise of europe. philosophy is too sterile. It has been 2500 years and we still have no truths that the philosopher is supposed to discover.

asians know that chatting around leads to nothing

>>7258870
And? What does that have to do your claim that all capitalists belong to the same ethno-religious group?

>>7258879
>He hasn't encountered the One
>He doesn't realize that philosophy is a spiritual discipline

>>7257277
>Non-western
>Philosopher

>>7258881
Not *all* capitalists. Just many of them. There are a lot of Jewish capitalists; that's all I'm saying. It shouldn't be a controversial claim, nor should the idea that Nazis blame on Jews and Judaism what Communists blame on capitalism and capitalists.

I don't know why you would bother, it's all just touchy feely bullshit for morons. Why did they never develop formal logic? I'd suggest forgetting all of this oriental shite and starting with Frege.

>>7258890
>mfw this is the only thing analytics ever have to say about ideas they aren't familiar with

>>7258882
>the One
Unfalsifiable tbqhwyf

>>7258895
>Falsifiability
>Relevant outside of science

>>7258895
>Falsifiability
>mfw plebs want to reduce everything to a quest for scientific knowledge

>>7258894
You want to hear some old faggot try to act 'deep and wise' by spouting poorly reasoned dogmas? Fine, but you won't gain any understanding of the world around you that way. The greatest truths are found in the study of mathematics, not by waiting for some divine revelation to reveal to you an understanding of the universe. Eastern philosophers are more like religious prophets, they can't ground their statements in anything tangible.

>>7258882
>>He doesn't realize that philosophy is a spiritual discipline
but now we have intellectuals, not philosophers, and they refuse to put into practice what they imagine.

and even the philosophers in greece did not detail their practice. there i no manual to go beyond analytical/scientific/logical knowledge.

>>7258887
>There are a lot of Jewish capitalists; that's all I'm saying.
And their number pales in comparison to many other types of capitalists. The "Jews control all through the banks" meme was terrible because control doesn't work that way which is how you get things like the principal–agent problem and mangers fucking over shareholders who "own" the company.

>>7258898
>>7258897
>waaaah we need more feels and less rigorous study!!
>rigour is too hard! what if, like, peace is fleeting xD

>>7258899
>The greatest truths are found in the study of mathematics,
there is no truths in mathematics, only validity of deductions of statements, after you choose what validity means.

>>7258908
English majors should stay away from mathematics, you're embarrassing yourself.

>>7258906
>Muh falsifiability!
>Must be falsifiable to be rigorous!
>tfw evolution isn't rigorous

>>7258910
and undergrads should learn formal logic.

>>7258918
there are no truths in formal logic

>>7258918
>>7258925
>my basic knowledge of philosophy, skimmed from Wikipedia of course, tells me that truth is a cis white male construct used to oppress the workers and that man who look for truth find none, but man who no look for truth find some. I fucking love eastern philosophy xD

>>7258912

Are you implying evolution isn't falsifiable?

>>7258900
>but now we have intellectuals, not philosophers
Who are 'we' and why are you talking about intellectuals when I'm talking about philosophers?

>>7258899

http://aeon.co/magazine/philosophy/logic-of-buddhist-philosophy/

>>7258951
Yeah, no. Logic was a mess until Frege, the Buddhists didn't help.

Western philosophy = the conceptualisations of smart men

Eastern philosophy = the rejection of conceptualisations as insufficient and illusory and therefore not worth spending too much time on

No wonder there'll be conflicts and no wonder if your culture is steeped in one of background of these thoughts, the other will seem retarded unless you give it an actual sincere read rather than reading it as superficially as possible just so you can knock it

>>7258959

It's 3700 words, and quite intelligent. Do give it a shot.

>>7258937
Name an experiment with an outcome that would falsify the theory of evolution. Popper himself struggled with this idea a lot, saying that evolution was a grand metaphysical research program (which wasn't a bad thing in his view). So the founder of falsificationism himself admitted that falsifiability is not always necessary for rigor or value.

>>7258969
You do know logic is a mathematical concept, right? Why would I waste my time on the incorrect ideas of Buddhists?

>>7258969
>expecting this partisan faggot to even consider reading anything that may challenge his retarded beliefs

wew lad

>>7258988
>logic is a belief
Does trying to dismiss everything make you feel smart?
>Hurr there's no gravity I'll just fly away!!

>>7258978
From Darwin himself: "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down".

Other than that: new species appearing from nowhere, mutations being shown to not occur, or mutations being shown to not be inheritable.

>>7258982
You've got it backwards. Math reduces to logic.

>>7258903
No offense, but he is right though. Jews are over-represented in being a part of the ruling class given how few they are compared to other ethnic groups.

I'm not saying that is anything sinister, but let's speak the truth.

>>7259040
Logic is a mathematical concept, but maths is logical, yes.

>>7259045
I hate how we have to tip toe around this. The Holocaust is a hoax, we all know it. Can we just fucking admit that Jews are pure evil?

>>7258903
>And their number pales in comparison to many other types of capitalists
Jews own all the big media companies. Their numbers are less relevant than their power in terms of ideological production and overrepresentation in American policy. Israel gets too large a percentage of American foreign aid for me to take seriously the claim that Jews or Judaism aren't significant players in the modern capitalist system.

>>7259048
I suppose the logicism debate is ongoing. I can understand why you'd disagree with me, but not why you would try to put the opposite of my claim into my mouth.

>>7259057
I'm helping you not look like an idiot with your obvious ignorance.

>>7259061
No you aren't, you're making yourself look like an idiot by claiming that logic reduces to mathematics.

>>7259064
You quote clearly don't understand what logic is, take an entry level mathematics course and get back to me.

>>7258965

This is totally incorrect. There are plenty of western theorists who reject language and symbols: Meister Eckhart, John of the Cross, Theresa of Avila, Ignatius.

They aren't typically considered "philosophers." Frankly the division between theologian and philosopher has always been blurry. Only the west is so obsessed with splicing religion away from philosophy: this is probably what I would consider the main difference between eastern and western philosophy as observed from the present period (where many of the big names come after religion and philosophy were cleanly split during the Enlightenment).


A lot of westerners are suspicious of eastern philosophers like Shankara or Nagarjuna because they practiced and espoused rituals and theodicies based on ideas like karma.

And just as they do with religious thinkers they tend to toss the baby out with the bath-water far too often (or worse still, they feel they can tell baby from bath-water without getting their hands wet and dirty).

>>7258959

See Bimal Krishna Matilal. He is one of very few people history has given us capable of comparative studies of western and eastern logic. He began his career as a Sanskritist but also studied with Quine and had full command of Anglo-American analytic philosophy. He felt that debates in contemporary (he died in the 90s) analytic philosophy could be livened and clarified by the study of Indian philosophy.

If you can't find/buy his work then read up on the nyaya 5-part syllogism or the various pramana (means of valid knowledge), which are a whole sub-class of Indian philosophy. Each school of Indian philosophy laid out what it considered pramana, and many accepted logical reasoning or inference as valid with long-winded explanations and hair-splitting arguments to justify it.

>>7259053
I don't agree with that. I'm guessing you're being sarcastic, and think I'm a /pol/tard.

>>7259068
Are you actually unaware that this is a major point of debate within the analytic tradition?

there are mathematicians who are against the axiomatization of mathematics.

>>7259068

Almost all mathematicians subscribe to the notion that mathematics is derived from logic.

Specifically, mathematics can be constructed exhaustively from one of several set theories (ZF with or without the axiom of choice is the usual framework), each of which has a dozen or so axioms based mostly on set-theoretic generalizations of DeMorgan's Laws and Aristotelean logic.

>>7258959
there is a buddhist logic. in fact, it is aristotle who was very narrow-minded...

thanks Plato and aristotle to held europe back for millennium.

>>7259073
I'm serious. The holocaust was a hoax, Jews ARE evil. Watch Ted Pike's 'The Other Israel'.
>>7259072
That would be like David Chalmers saying, "yeah philosophy of the mind is good, but it needs some John Farnham and VB". That Indian just wants to put his culture into debates to perform the abstract concept of 'livening'.

>>7259090

Oh, cool, you disregard authors and pin their cultural inferiority complexes without ever opening their books. Neat!

You know what that makes you? A lazy fuck that shits out of his mouth. Find another board.

>>7259090
>I'm serious. The holocaust was a hoax, Jews ARE evil. Watch Ted Pike's 'The Other Israel'.

Please go to /pol/ instead of talking about politics and racism here.

>>7259075
Those who say maths is logic are wrong.
>>7259086
I know Aristotle was wrong about logic, that is a fact. But Frege developed the first working model of logic.

>>7259099
>Jews are a race

>>7259098
Why should anyone ever care about the liveliness of a debate? We don't need analytic philosophers to shit in the street and reek of curry.

>>7259102
>Those who say maths is logic are wrong.
Could you make an argument?
>>7259105
>Judaism isn't transmitted matrilineally

>>7259114

>Judaism...

Why are you biting that bait so hard, anon?

>>7259114
Judaism is a religion, I'm talking about ethnic Joos.

>>7259102

What do you mean by "working model" exactly?

I'm almost certain you have no clue what you're talking about (mind you I have a math degree and I'm somewhat obsessed with this particular topic).

>>7259122
So am I. I should have said Jewishness instead of Judaism.

>>7259128

STOP BITING THE BAIT, jesus christ anon. Don't derail the thread any more than it already has been.

Guys, pls, be gentile.

>>7259132
JIDF trying to silence the truth. And he's getting desperate

Oh boy, a non-Western philosophy thr-
>MUH JEWS

ugh

>>7259132
It's not a very good thread. We can either talk about this or logic, and I don't feel like talking about logic.
Besides, I was the one who wrote >>7258795
.

>>7259124
It's a figure of speech. I don't care how much of a nrrrrdXD you are, this isn't your blog, kiddo.

>>7259148
>It's a figure of speech.
tbqfh it's embarrassing that you don't realize how easily that term can be taken in a technical sense when discussing this topic.
>I don't care how much of a nrrrrdXD you are,
Whoa buddy, stop insulting people who are smarter than you.

camus tbh

>>7259148

You have no clue. You've never read Frege. You aren't even entirely sure of what his contributions are.

Lazy, lazy, lazy, posturing fuck. I HATE people like you. You are literally the worst.

>>7259164
Got him, boys, this little bitch arse nigger is going in the trolled pile.

>>7259173

Begriffsschrift. It's short but difficult. Have fun.

>>7259183
I have a phd in mathematics, I don't need you to talk down to me. You don't have to be so serious all the time, especially on the interbutt.

>>7259190

lol, go look in the mirror and say that 10 times

>"I have a phd in mathematics"
>"I have a phd in mathematics"
>....

Also, is a group of order 71 isomorphic to the group of integers mod 70 under addition? Why or why not?

>>7259200
>>7259190
>>7259183
Oh God this is going to be embarrassing. This thread is fucking awful. First stormfags show up, then the JIDF shows up, then math PhDs show up. No discussion of Asian philosophy. Fuck.

gengis khan

>>7259211
Fine here's some Asian philosophy for you
>man who catch fish hungry for day, man who catch herpes hungry for life
>>7259200
I'm not here to do your work for you, kid.

>>7259211

It's one or two bad posters. You know how hard it is to ignore people regurgitating stupid opinions about topics you're familiar with.

I blame them not me. If people would just stop pretending to know about things they don't know anything about then these threads would be a bazillion times better. A few knowledgeable people would talk and the rest of us could read along and throw serious and thoughtful questions out once in a while.

>>7259216

I essentially just asked if you if 71 is equal to 71 or not. Sad, sad, sad!

>>7259220
I encountered this today when some Americans started talking about PAL colour encoding.

>>7259220
I don't know who I'm talking to here. If you're a Stormfag, one of the 2 math PhDs, or the Jew who got offended when someone told him his people own elements of the means of production, then I blame you, even if you don't blame yourself.
If you posted something about Buddhist logic you're probably alright.

>>7259223
I don't care about your homework, kiddo.

>>7258982
>>7259002

Because recent developments in logic suggest Buddhism isn't entirely incorrect.

The article isn't woo. It's not new-age spiritualism. It's not bullshit. It was written by a professor of philosophy and a logician.

>>7258951
>Anyone who denies the law of non-contradiction should be beaten and burned until he admits that to be beaten is not the same as not to be beaten, and to be burned is not the same as not to be burned.
Holy shit, Arab philosophy is fucking scary

>>7259229

I posted this >>7259072 because I have a double major in math and religious studies, so I felt I could speak to the intersection of logic and eastern philosophy.

And then nobody read it and some retard from /pol/ starting shitting all over himself and stinking up the thread.

And then some guy said something about Frege creating the first "working model" of logic which caught my eye as a plebe-tier posturing statement right away. Then this guy got called out and started pretending to have a doctorate in math for some weird reason (guy,if you're reading, why did you do that?)

>>7259238
These are the same people that stone gays and behead apostates, remember.

>>7259238

Ibn Sina was just based bro.

He also did something extremely similar to the Cogito Ergo Sum some 400 years before Descartes with his floating man thought experiment.

>>7259230

I bet you're cracking up over there. You wish you knew more about the topics you brought up, that's why you pretended to know about them.

You don't have to pretend or post weird pseudo-trolls. Just be honest with what you know and how you convey it to people. And then go read some more if you're not satisfied, sheesh.

People like you, who posture, spread misinformation. Just stop this nonsense!

>>7259247
You're all right.
>>7259248
How could anyone forget?
>stone gays
Stoning is a bit harsh but I don't see why objections to homosexuality are bad.
>>7259251
The Floating Man argument, right?

>>7257341
The gap isnt that big of a deal. I dont know if you are making this up or shitposting

t. Someone who is from the east

>>7257286
oh wow this is perfect

>>7259268

It's certainly funny but don't take it too seriously. Not every westerner who studies Buddhism is a young man searching for fresh, eastern air to clean out his marijuana-tarred lungs.

Such a caricature should serve to warn us that we have to be serious in our studies. It should not serve to make us skeptical and dismissive of westerners-looking-east.

What the FUCK happened to this thread after I went to sleep

that sidartha guy

>>7257415
please be bait

>>7259360
It's the same with all other threads

>>7259105
Who is this erection connection?

I just want to talk about Chuang Tzu you guys

;_;

>>7259911
Some feminist that cucked Trump at the last Republican debate.

>>7257341
It doesn't have anything to do with language but culture, or particularly religion, we've separated philosophy and religion in Europe, this development didn't happen elsewhere.

Buddhism is incredibly easy to understand if you approach it as contemporary paganism.

Bump

>>7259072
>This isn't correct here are some examples of people who aren't philosophers to prove my point

Wew friend

Bump

>>7260628

READ THE REST OF THE POST YOU FUCKING RETARD AHHHH

Why would anyone care what old gooks had to say thousands of years ago? I don't even care what dead old white Greeks had to say. Non-Western philosophy is just as nonsensical as Western philosophy. Philosophy is a mental illness.

>>7261675
>not watching your thoughts popup from meme primordial soup and kick them around your head while doing drugs and chanting 80s pop music
>stay pleb sanefag

>>7259231
>>Because recent developments in logic suggest Buddhism isn't entirely incorrect.
can you explain this ?

indians and buddhists have a more general notion of negation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetralemma
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_hexagon

>The Nyaya school of philosophical speculation is based on texts known as the Nyaya Sutras, which were written by Gotama in around the 2nd century CE. The most important contribution made by the Nyaya school to modern Hindu thought is its methodology. This methodology is based on a system of logic that has subsequently been adopted by most of the other Indian schools (orthodox or not), much in the same way that Western philosophy can be said to be largely based on Aristotelian logic.

>Followers of Nyaya believed that obtaining valid knowledge was the only way to obtain release from suffering. They therefore took great pains to identify valid sources of knowledge and to distinguish these from mere false opinions. According to the Nyaya school, there are exactly four sources of knowledge (pramanas): perception, inference, comparison and testimony. Knowledge obtained through each of these can, of course, still be either valid or invalid. As a result, Nyaya scholars again went to great pains to identify, in each case, what it took to make knowledge valid, in the process creating a number of explanatory schemes. In this sense, Nyaya is probably the closest Indian equivalent to contemporary analytic philosophy.

>>7259922
A board is for browsing: once you have browsed, you can forget the board.
A thread is for posting: once you have posted, you can forget the thread.
Books are for reading: once you have read, you can forget the books.
Where can I find someone who's forgotten books so I can read with him?

>>7259231
I think there's no hope in salvaging a real discussion out of this thread, but while that article is serious and worth one's time, I still disagree with how the author employs a fifth proposition, "i", for "ineffable." Ineffability is actually the position formulated in the fourth koti, the Tathāgata neither exists nor does not exist after death. The most sensible reading here is that by rejecting even this possibility, he is declaring the question unanswerable on the grounds that posing it falsely assumes one can make pronouncements about the state or non-state of the Tathāgata after death. This is made explicit in the Vacchagotta Sutta, where the Buddha explains that asking what happens to the arahant after death is like asking which direction a fire goes when it is extinguished.

Whatever one thinks about and ponders over often, one’s mind gets a leaning in that way.

-- M.I,115

Confucius or All Ghazali

There is a really good but obscure Eastern philosopher you should check out.

His name is Long Fatt-Poo

>>7257373
>Truth is universal
>>>objectivity

Please be bait

>>7258982
chicken or the egg?

>>7258879

I don't think that's true. I think we've made a lot of progress. Mind you, we may not necessarily have things we would, without hesitation, refer to as 'truth', because upon discussing truth we realized that the notion typically inferred when one speaks of 'truth' is ill-conceived and indeterminate.

For things that philosophy has aided: the entirety of physics; logic; art (aesthetics); literature; mathematics... just because there is no 1 universal truism muttered throughout the halls of each philosophy department doesn't mean the edifice of philosophy is itself completely sterile. Consider how far epistemology, metaphysics, aesthetics, and logic (I exclude ethics) have come; just because they're not *solved* yet, doesn't mean it's sterile--if it were (solved, that is), the field would cease to be.

>>7258899

>"I haven't heard of Godel"

>>7258910

math major chiming in.
you're an idiot.

>>7264060
I think Tarski's undefinability theorem is more salient here.

>>7258982

> praises frege
> thinks logic is math
> not the reverse

have you even fucking read him? >>7259040 got it right m8

>>7264070
>Tarski's undefinability

I've yet to hear of it. Thanks, anon! Looking it up now

what does /lit/ think of Mulla Sadra

>>7261611
I did, it remained wrong