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Can we get a based schoppy discussion? I have 2 books coming in the mail tomorrow "essays and aphorisms" and "the wisdom of life" and im phsyched as hell to read them. How has Schopenhauer impacted your life?

>> No.7177076

>want to read World as Will
>too lazy to read Kant, Leibniz, Hume, Descartes, etc.

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>“There is some wisdom in taking a gloomy view, in looking upon the world as a kind of Hell, and in confining one's efforts to securing a little room that shall not be exposed to the fire.”

Best advice I've ever had tbh.

>> No.7177109

>>7177076
I've heard a couple people say all you need to read is Schoppys "On the Fourfold Root of the Principle of Sufficient Reason" to understand TWAWAR, im not sure how true it is as i have not read either.

>> No.7177129

>>7177078
What did he mean by this?

>> No.7177139

>>7177129
Literally find a cozy place to live and forget about all the shit outside.

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>>7177129
Life is shit, carve out a little niche for yourself and try to get as comfy as possible.

Looking at the world in such a way will make you very grateful for the simple things. At least it does for me. Lying in my warm bed without having to worry about food, clothes and shelter feels like I've won.

>The flesh cries out to be saved from hunger, thirst, and cold. For if a man possess this safety and hope to possess it, he might rival even Zeus in happiness.

>> No.7177221

>>7177076

This guy speaks the truth. >>7177109

I haven't read all of that, and I'm halfway through TWAWAR. Read some of his essays first, just to get a general feel. Don't expect to understand. Once you decide to approach TWAWAR, read his prefaces, because he tells you what to do. Read his appendix first to start to get a vibe for what he's up to. Then just dive in. He expects you to read it twice.

I wrote an honors thesis on the Stoics, which helped, in a way. He basically synthesizes Kantian and Stoic philosophy with eastern thought, yet tries to smooth out all the retardation.

>> No.7177228

>>7177221
>>7177076
>>7177109

As a further note, Fourfold Root basically just helps you understand what he means by the principle of sufficient reason, and all of the stuff that relates to it.

>> No.7177974

My favorite schop is "on the ages of life." I don't think it's in either of the books you ordered. His thoughts on this subject (aging, periods in life) are so fucking spot-on.

https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/s/schopenhauer/arthur/counsels/chapter5.html

Favorite quotes:

> ... years of childhood are like a long poem. For the function of poetry, as of all art, is to grasp the Idea — in the Platonic sense; in other words, to apprehend a particular object in such a way as to perceive its essential nature, the characteristics it has in common with all other objects of the same kind; so that a single object appears as the representative of a class, and the results of one experience hold good for a thousand.

> I have said elsewhere61 that the world, considered as object — in other words, as it is presented to us objectively — wears in general a pleasing aspect; but that in the world, considered as subject — that is, in regard to its inner nature, which is will — pain and trouble predominate.

> A little later, this state of mind gives birth to a thirst for real life — the impulse to do and suffer — which drives a man forth into the hurly-burly of the world. There he learns the other side of existence — the inner side, the will, which is thwarted at every step. Then comes the great period of disillusion, a period of very gradual growth; but once it has fairly begun, a man will tell you that he has got over all his false notions — l’âge des illusions est passé; and yet the process is only beginning, and it goes on extending its sway and applying more and more to the whole of life.

>There is no doubt that, in general, and apart from individual circumstances and particular dispositions, youth is marked by a certain melancholy and sadness, while genial sentiments attach to old age; and the reason for this is nothing but the fact that the young man is still under the service, nay, the forced labor, imposed by that evil spirit, which scarcely ever leaves him a moment to himself. To this source may be traced, directly or indirectly, almost all and every ill that befalls or menaces mankind. The old man is genial and cheerful because, after long lying in the bonds of passion, he can now move about in freedom. Still, it should not be forgotten that, when this passion is extinguished, the true kernel of life is gone, and nothing remains but the hollow shell; or, from another point of view, life then becomes like a comedy, which, begun by real actors, is continued and brought to an end by automata dressed in their clothes.

>> No.7178364

>>7177974
Simply beautiful, Schoppy has an awesome prose