/lit/ - Literature

>"Instead of answering, he handed me a couple of hastily scribbled sheets. [...] I could not see any connection between this extraordinary description and the study of architecture, so I asked what it was supposed to be. 'A play,' replied Adolf. Then, in stirring words, he described the action to me. Unfortunately, I have long since forgotten it. I remember only that it was set in the Bavarian mountains at the time of the bringing of Christianity to those parts. I would have liked to have asked Adolf whether his studies in the Academy left him so much free time that he could write dramas, too, but I knew how sensitive he was about everything pertaining to his chosen profession"
p.158

>As the only son of a self-employed upholsterer, August was expected to someday take over his father's business, but he secretly harboured dreams of becoming a conductor. With Adolf's encouragement, he devoted more and more of his time to this passion, completing all the musical training available to him in Linz. However, to achieve his goal, he would require higher education in music which was offered only in Vienna.

>It was Adolf Hitler who, at the age of eighteen, successfully persuaded Kubizek's father to let his son go to the metropolis to attend the conservatory. This, Kubizek wrote, changed the course of his life for good.


that feel when no hitler broship

>"At the beginning of February, Adolf returned to Vienna. His address remained the same, he told me when he left [...] I helped him carry his luggage to the station, four cases altogether unless I mistaken, every one of them very heavy. I asked him what they contained, and he answered 'all of my belongings'. They were almost entirely books."
p.147

On his school life

>"His classmates, mostly from solid, good-class Linz families, cold-shouldered the strange boy who arrived daily 'from amongst the peasants'"
p.59

>"In class he rarely came to anybody's notice. He had no friends, contrary to primary school, and wanted none"
p.59

>"He too, was completely alone. His father had been dead for two years. However much he loved his mother, she could not help him with his problems. He just needed to talk and needed someone who would listen to him."
p.32

MOAR

On his behaviour and conduct towards people and society

>"Adolf set great store by good manners and correct behaviour. He observed with painstaking punctiliousness the rules of social conduct, however little he thought of society itself"
p.38

>"People who knew him in Vienna could not understand the contradiction between his well-groomed appearance, his educated speech and his self-assured bearing on the one hand, and the starveling existence that he led on the other, and judged him either haughty or pretentious. He was neither. He just did not fit into any bourgeois order"
p.38

>"He wallowed deeper and deeper in self-criticism. Yet it only needed the lightest touch - as when one flicks on the light and everything becomes brilliantly clear - for his self-accusation to become an accusation against the times, against the whole world. Choking with his catalogue of hates, he would pour his fury over everything, against mankind in general who did not understand him, who did not appreciate him and by whom he was persecuted"
p.158 / 159

>"There was a strange contradiction which always struck me: all his thoughts and ambitions were directed towards the problem of how to help the masses, the simple, the decent but under-priveleged people with whom he identified himself - they were ever-present in his thoughts - but in actual fact he always avoided any contact with people"
p.164

A great man, but a terrible politician, for he was a commie.

On his youth

>"I was surprised he had so much spare time and asked innocently whether he had a job. 'Of course not', was his gruff reply [...] He did not consider that any particular work [...] was necessary for him"
p.29/30

>"Many other qualities which are characteristic of youth were lacking in him: a carefree letting go of himself, living only for the day, the happy attitude of 'what is to be, will be'. His idea was that these were things that did not become a young man"
p.43

>"He had no comprehension of enjoyment of life as others knew it. He did not smoke, he did not drink, and in Vienna, for instance, he lives for days on milk and bread only"
p.39

>"When we passed by the Cafe Baumgartner he would get wildly worked up about the young men who were exhibiting themselves at marble-topped tables behind the big window panes and wasting their time in idle gossip, without apparently realizing how much this indignation was contradicted by his own way of life"
p.30

On his loneliness and solitary nature

>"Although he always felt a sense of responsibility for everything that happened, he was always a lonely and solitary man, determined to reply upon himself, and so to reach his goal"
p.165

>"But he? Where should he have gone that Christmas Eve? He had no acquaintances, no friends, nobody who would have received him with open arms. For him the world was hostile and empty. [...] All he ever told me of that Christmas Eve was that he had wandered around for hours. Only towards morning had he returned home and gone to sleep. What he thought, felt and suffered I never knew"
p.140

>"'Gustle', she said - usually she called me Herr Kubizek, but in that hour she used the name by which Adolf always called me - 'go on being a good friend to my son when I'm no longer here. He has no one else'. With tears in my eyes I promised, and then I went"
p.137

>>7165353
MORE.

>>7165371
>>"But he? Where should he have gone that Christmas Eve? He had no acquaintances, no friends, nobody who would have received him with open arms. For him the world was hostile and empty. [...] All he ever told me of that Christmas Eve was that he had wandered around for hours. Only towards morning had he returned home and gone to sleep. What he thought, felt and suffered I never knew"

This is pretty fucking sad even if you know what he turned into later.

On Adolf as a friend, and his introversion

>"He no longer attended school; did nothing to get himself job training; lived with his mother and let her keep him. But he was not idle: this period of his life was filled with restless activity. He sketched, he painted, he wrote poetry, he read"
p.62

>"At Linz, Hitler made neither a good not a bad impression on me. He was also not a leader in class. He was slim and upright, his face mostly pale and gaunt, and there was almost a consumptive look about him, his gaze enormously open, his eye luminous"
p.64

>"In this emotional conflict, Adolf Hitler proved a reliable friend. He had put backbone into my idea of choosing music as my profession, and was very clever at how he went about making it possible. For the first and only time I discovered in him a quality of which I was unaware and which I never experienced in him later: patience."
p.79

>"In conflict with a bourgeois world, which with its deceit and false rectitude had nothing to offer him, he sought instinctively his own world and found it in the origins and early history of his own peoples"
p.83

These ones are about a girl named Stefanie. Hitler and his friend (the author) would turn up at the river in Linz at 5pm each day to watch her and her mother walk past on their daily stroll.

>"I found out that Stefanie's mother was a widow and did, indeed, live in Urharr, and that the young man who occasionally accompanied them, to Adolf's great irritation, was her brother. But from time to time the two ladies were to be seen in the company of young officers. Poor, pallid youngsters like Hitler naturally could not hope to compete with these young lieutenants in their smart uniforms. Adolf felt this intensely and gave vent to his feelings with eloquence. His anger, in the end, led him into uncompromising enmity towards the officer class as a whole, and everything military in general"
p.67

>"To be sure, Stefanie had no idea how deeply Adolf was in love with her; she regarded him as a somewhat shy but, nevertheless, remarkably tenacious and faithful admirer. When she responded with a smile to his enquiring glance, he was happy and his mood became unlike anything I had ever observed in him [...] But when Stefanie, as happened just as often, coldly ignored his gaze, he was crushed and ready to destroy himself and the whole world"
p.67

>"I thought, for a long time, that Adolf was simply too shy to approach Stefanie. And yet, it was not shyness that held him back. His conception of the relationship between the sexes was already then so high that the usual way of making the acquaintance of a girl seemed to him undignified. As he was opposed to flirting in any form, he was convinced that Stefanie had no other desire but to wait until he should come to ask her to marry him. I did not share this conviction at all, but Adolf, as was his habit with all problems that agitated him, had already made an elaborate plan"
p.69

More about Stefanie.

>"And this girl, who was a stranger to him and had never exchanged a word with him, succeeded where his father, the school and even his mother had failed: he drew up and exact programme for his future which would enable him, after four years, to ask for Stefanie's hand. We discussed this difficult problem for hours, with the result that Adolf commissioned me to collect further information about Stefanie"
p.69

>"'Stefanie is fond of dancing. If you want to conquer her, you will have to dance around just as aimlessly and idiotically as the others.' That was all that was needed to set him off raving. 'No, no, never!' he screamed at me, 'I shall never dance! Do you understand! Stefanie only dances because she is forced to by society on which she unfortunately depends. Once she is my wife, she won't have the slightest desire to dance!'"
p.71

>"As with everything that he couldn't tackle at once, he indulged in generalisations. 'Visualise a crowded ballroom', he said once to me, 'and imagine that you are deaf. You can't hear the music to which these people are moving, and then take a look at their senseless progress, which leads nowhere. Aren't these people raving mad?'"
p.70

On his plan to make money to impress Stefanie and ease his financial woes by buying a lottery ticket

>"One day when I interrupted the bold flow of his ideas for the national monument and asked him soberly how he proposed to finance this project, his first reply was a brusque, 'Oh, to hell with the money!' But apparently my query had disturbed him. And he did what other people do who want to get rich quickly - he bought a lottery ticket. [...] Adolf was sure he had won from the moment of buying the ticket and had only forgotten to collect the money. His only possible worry was how to spend this not inconsiderable sum to the best of his advantage"
p.111

>"The day of the [lottery] draw arrived. Adolf came rushing wildly round to the workshop with the list of results. I have rarely heard him rage so madly as then. First he fumed over the state lottery, this officially organised exploitation of human credulity, this open fraud at the expense of docile citizens. Then his fury turned to the state itself, this patchwork of ten or twelve, or God knows how many nations, this monster built up by Habsburg marriages. Could one expect other than two impoverished devils should be cheated out of their last couple of crowns? Never did it occur to Adolf to reproach himself for having taken it for granted that the first prize belonged to him by right"
p.114

Lonely misfit who couldn't cut it in the social arena of his day retreats into a dark world of reactionary nationalism

Literally the proto-/pol/ poster kek

>>7165403
>>7165390
>>7165387
This sounds so alarmingly similar to the diary of the loveless guy who went on the rampage in Santa Barbara. Like his approach to women and buying a lottery ticket are almost exactly the same.

Is it true that he was beaten so violently that he fell in coma multiple times in his childhood?

>>7165450
You mean Elliot Rodgers?

On his mother's attitude towards him

>"he was anxious to escape the atmosphere that prevailed at home. The idea that he, a young man of eighteen, should continue to be kept by his mother had become unbearable to him. On the one hand, he loved his mother above everything: she was the only person on earth to whom he felt really close, and she reciprocated his feeling to some extent, although she was deeply disturbed by her son's unusual nature, however proud she was at times of him. 'He is different from us,' she used to say"
p.124

>"At long last the great moment arrived. Adolf, beaming with delight, came to see me at the workshop, where we were very busy at that time. 'I'm leaving tomorrow,' he said briefly. He asked me to accompany him to the station, as he did not want his mother to come. I knew how painful it would have been for Adolf to take leave of his mother in front of other people. He disliked nothing more than showing his feelings in public"
p.127

>"His mother was crying and little Paula, whom Adolf had never bothered with much, was sobbing in a heart-rending manner. When Adolf caught up with me on the stairs and helped me with the suitcase, I saw that his eyes too were wet"
p.127

>>7165455
I haven't seen anything like that. His father was a drinker but an upstanding citizen and relatively liberal.

>>7165381
>"He no longer attended school; did nothing to get himself job training; lived with his mother and let her keep him. But he was not idle: this period of his life was filled with restless activity. He sketched, he painted, he wrote poetry, he read"

Isn't that basically /lit/s dream existence?

On his poverty and his attitude towards the rich

>"When we went with empty stomachs into the centre of the city, we saw the splendid mansions of the nobility with garishly attired servants in front, and the sumptuous hotels in which Vienna's rich society - the old nobility; the captains of industry, landowners and magnates - held their lavish parties: poverty, need, hunger on the one side, and reckless enjoyment of life, sensuality and prodigal luxury on the other"
p.163

>"At all costs, he would keep his linen and clothing clean. No one, meeting this carefully dressed young man in the street would have thought that he went hungry every day, and lived in a hopelessly bug-infested back room in the 6th District"
p.163

On his lack of confidence in regards to Stefanie

>"With his memory of his first day in Vienna transfigured by his yearning for Stefanie, Adolf entered the critical summer of 1907. What he suffered in those weeks was in many respects similar to the grave crisis of two years earlier when, after much heart-searching, he had finally settled his accounts with the school and made an end of it. Outwardly, this seeking for a new path showed itself in dangerous fits of depression. I knew only too well those moods of his, which were in sharp contrast to his ecstatic dedication and activity, and realised that I could no help him. At such times he was inacessible, uncommunicative and distant. [...] Adolf would wander around alone for days and nights in the fields and forests surrounding the town"
p.123

>"Stefanie had probable long since become bored by the silent, but strictly conventional adulation of the pale, thin youth, my friend lost himself increasingly in his wishful dreams the more he saw her. Yet he was past those romantic ideas of elopement or suicide"
p.123

>"Adolf, perhaps, already realised that, if he wanted to win Stefanie, he would have to speak to her or take some such decisive step. Nevertheless he felt instinctively that it would abruptly destroy his life's dream if he actually made Stefanie's acquaintance. Indeed, as he said to me, 'If I introduce myself to Stefanie and her mother, I will have to tell her at once what I am, what I have and what I want. My statement would bring our relations abruptly to an end'"
p.124

i think it's legit. i read it a while ago alongside ernst hanfstaengl's memoirs and their descriptions of his personality converge.

I always thought him more of a simple man, but this is very fascinating.

>>7165450
No surprises, rightistfags get a lot of strange persecution ideas and go off the handle.

On his reaction to August (the author) helping a girl from his class who had come over with a question about her work

>"Adolf said nothing. But hardly had the girl got outside that he went for me wildly - for his unfortunate experience with Stefanie he was now a woman hater. Was our room, already spoilt by that monster, that grand piano, to become the rendezvous for this crew of musical women? he asked me furiously [...] The result was a detailed speech about the senselessness of women studying. Adolf got himself more and more involved in a general criticism of social conditions. I cowered silently on the piano stool while he, enraged, strode the three steps along and the three steps back and hurled his indignation in the bitterest terms"
p.156 / 157

post the bits about his piano lessons

>>7165582
You're implying that those who subscribe to a more leftwing ideology aren't equally as susceptible to feelings of persecution?

This is during Hitler's pre-political days.

>>7165446
This

>>7165390
>'Visualise a crowded ballroom', he said once to me, 'and imagine that you are deaf. You can't hear the music to which these people are moving, and then take a look at their senseless progress, which leads nowhere. Aren't these people raving mad?'"

Isn't this an almost exact Nietzsche quote?

This is really interesting OP. Thanks for sharing.

>>7165586
>"One day he ranted at me: 'Now I am going to see if music is the witchcraft you always say it is!' and with these words he announced his decision to learn the piano, convinced that in no time at all he would have mastered it. [...] Here Adolf fell into a dilemma. He was far too proud simply to give up on an attempt by which he had set such store, but this stupid 'exercising the fingers' left him raging"
p.78

>"All the same, Adolf recognized my musical talent without the least envy, and rejoiced or suffered with me in my successes or setbacks as if they were applicable to himself. I found him very supporting and the great strength behind my ambition"
p.78

>"He finally reconciled himself to the piano [that August had installed in the boys' shared room]. He could practise a but too, he remarked. I said I was willing to teach him - but here again I had put my foot in it. In ill-temper he snarled at me, 'You can keep your scales and such rubbish, I'll get on by myself'. Then he calmed down again and said, in a conciliatory tone, 'Why should I become a musician, Gustl? After all, I have you!'"
p.154

This is fucking fascinating.

>>7165585
>for his unfortunate experience with Stefanie he was now a woman hater.
>The result was a detailed speech about the senselessness of women studying

literally /r9k/, who knew stuff like this still happened 50+ years ago?

good thread here to confirm I'm reading

This sounds a much better read than Mein Kampt.

>>7165390
>tfw dfw is hitler

I'm pretty skeptical about the authenticity of these anecdotes. The guy could have made half of them up just to make some cash.

>>7165347
>"People who knew him in Vienna could not understand the contradiction between his well-groomed appearance, his educated speech and his self-assured bearing on the one hand, and the starveling existence that he led on the other, and judged him either haughty or pretentious. He was neither. He just did not fit into any bourgeois order"


this is me

>>7165634
nietzsche nietzsche nietzsche nietzsche nietzsche nietzsche nietzsche nietzsche nietzsche nietzsche nietzsche nietzsche nietzsche nietzsche nietzsche nietzsche nietzsche nietzsche

On Adolf being flirted with while helping his friend to find a room to rent

>"Once more we saw a notice 'room to let'. We rang the bell and the door was opened by a neatly dressed maid who showed us into an elegantly furnished room containing magnificent twin beds. 'Madame is coming immediately,' said the maid, curtsied and vanished. We both knew at once that it was too stylish for us. Then 'madame' appeared in a doorway, very much a lady, not so young, but very elegant. She wore a silk dressing gown and slippers trimmed with fur. She greeted us smilingly, inspected Adolf, then me, and asked us to sit down. [...] The lady was obviously disappointed that it was I and not Adolf who wanted a room, and asked whether Adolf already had lodgings. [...] While she was suggesting this to Adolf with some animation, through a sudden movement the belt which kept the dressing gown together came undone. 'Oh, excuse me gentlemen,' the lady exclaimed, and immediately refastened the dressing gown. But that second had sufficed to show us that under her silk covering she wore nothing but a brief pair of knickers. Adolf turned red as a peony, gripped my arm and said, 'Come Gustl!'. I do not remember how we got out of the house. All I remember is Adolf's furious exclamation as we arrived back in the street. 'What a Frau Potiphar!'. Apparently such experiences were also part of Vienna."
p.153

>>7165636
Most of the book is accepted as fact by historians, though some are critical I think that he brushed over the early anti-semitic stuff.

>>7165347

>tfw beginning to relate pretty hard to Hitler right now.

>>7165605
probably misattributed
http://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/06/05/dance-insane/
>in conclusion, QI has not yet located any substantive evidence that Nietzsche used this expression. The general idea of the saying has a long history as shown above.

it sounds too tacky for nietzsche anyway.

>>7165450

I was just thinking of how Hitler seems to be the prototypical frogperson from r9k.

>>7165387

>but Adolf, as was his habit with all problems that agitated him, had already made an elaborate plan

Kek'd. Industrious motherfucker.

On his overall experience in Vienna

>"However much he avoided close contact with people, he had nevertheless grown fond of Vienna as a city; he could have lived quite happily without the people, but never without the city. Small wonder than that the few people whom he later came to know in Vienna thought of him as a lone wolf and eccentric, and regarded as pretence or arrogance his refined speech, his distinguished manners and elegant bearing, which belied his obvious poverty. In fact, the young Hitler made no friends in Vienna"
p.165

>"I did not know what this present mood of deep depression was due to, but I thought that sooner or later it would improve. He was at odds with the world. Wherever he looked, he saw injustice, hate and enmity. Nothing was free from his criticism, nothing found favour in his eyes. Only music was able to cheer him up a little as, for instance, when we went on Sundays to the performances of sacred music in the Burgkapelle."
p.157

>"All this time he was ceaselessly busy. I had no idea what a student at the Academy of Arts was supposed to do - in any case, the subjects must be exceedingly varied. One day he would be sitting for hours over books, then again he would sit writing till the small hours [...]"

>"But in money matters Adolf was very precise. I never knew how much, or rather, how little, money he had. Doubtless he was secretly ashamed of it. Occasionally the anger got the better of him and he would shout with fury, 'Isn't this a dog's life?'. Nevertheless he was happy and contented when we could go once more to the opera, or listen to a concert, or read an interesting book"
p.155

>>7165636
Why? They're hardly unbelievable.

On his "elaborate plan" to win Stefanie's favour, and his feelings towards her

>"Adolf went on brooding for days and weeks, trying to find a solution. In his depressed mood, he hit on a crazy idea: he seriously contemplated kidnapping Stefanie. He expounded his plan to me in all its deails and assigned me my role, which was not a very rewarded one for I had to keep the mother engaged in conversation whilst he seized the girl."
p.71

>"'You can see that she wants you to talk to her,' I said to my friend. 'Tomorrow,' he answered. But the morrow never came, and weeks, months and years passed without his taking any steps to change this state of affairs which caused him so much unrest"
p.74

>"Instinctively the young Hitler found the only correct attitude in his love for Stefanie: he possessed a being whom he loved, and at the same time, he did not possess her. He arranged his whole life as though this beloved was already entirely his. But, as he himself avoided any personal meeting, this girl, although he could see that she walked the earth, remained a created of his dream world, towards whom he could project his desires, plans and ideas"
p.75

>>7165636
But Hitler actually seems pretty human and relatable in these. If he wanted to milk it he would have just made him out be a complete monster with no heart.

>>7165617
>'Why should I become a musician, Gustl? After all, I have you!'"

On Adolf's own memories of the time

>>"Hitler's letter to Kubizek of 4 August 1933, using the familiar 'Du' form of address, refers to the years he spent with Kubizek as the best of his life"
p.104

Doesn't ring true. Why doesn't he speak at length about his working methods with respect to art? What variety of charcoal did he use, perspective grids, oil paints, etc.? He was mainly a watercolourist, correct?

>>7165570

How? I don't think there can be any question as to the fact that he was a complex genius. Evil, sure, but simple? What the fuck man? He conquered almost all of Europe.

>>7165588

Might actually be, yes. Studies have shown right-wingers to have larger amygdalae, which are centers in the brain associated with making decisions based on fear and disgust. Quite the prerequisite for persecutory complexes. It may well have been before his political days, but that doesn't discredit it as an idea. May have been the cause of his political beliefs.

>>7165688
>>7165674
>>7165679
>yfw WWII was pretty much caused by tfw no gf

>>7165691
what
>Doesn't ring true.

>>7165700
almost everything was pretty much caused by tfw no gf

>>7165691
just didnt appear in op's selection yet. he wrote about it.

>>7165691
I'm quoting selectively here. There is plenty about his art but I've skipped over them since they're not exactly /lit/-related.

>"While I was undecided whether to list my friend amongst the great musicians or the great poets of the future, he sprang on me the announcement that he intended to become a painter. [...] The first time I went to visit him at home, his room was littered with sketches, drawings, blueprints"
p.96

>"He had been refused by the academy; he had failed even before he had got a footing in Vienna. But he was too proud to talk about it, and so he concealed from me what had occurred. He concealed it from his mother too. [...] He made no attempt to obtain exceptional treatment or to humiliate himself in front of people who did not understand him. There was neither revolt nor rebellion, instead came a radical withdrawal into himself, an obstinate resolve to cope alone with adversity, an embittered 'now, more than ever!' which he flung at the gentlemen of the Schiller Platz [art school]"
p.130

>>7165311

This stuff is interesting as fuck. I might have to pick up that book.

>>7165716
I have it in hardback but it's free online too.

Hitler confirmed for frog-posting faggot pmsl.

If ever there was a reason to shut down that cesspool of a board.

>>7165714

>He made no attempt to obtain exceptional treatment or to humiliate himself in front of people who did not understand him. There was neither revolt nor rebellion, instead came a radical withdrawal into himself, an obstinate resolve to cope alone with adversity, an embittered 'now, more than ever!'
fugg...........

>>7165446
Haha this.

>>7165727
>>7165721
>>7165446
Back to reddit friendos

I'm will get this book, and whenever I'm strolling through the frog-asylum over at r9k for kicks, I'll be dropping a passage or two and see how hard everyone there relates.

Seems like they're just little Hitlers without the ambition and drive. Thank god

>>7165729

Not being a fat bitter nazi is not the same as belonging on reddit, compadré.

>>7165733
>"and whenever I'm strolling through the frog-asylum over at r9k for kicks"

I-I'm only here i-ironically guys, I'm superior you, i s-swear!

>>7165729
Go back to your containment board, frog-faggot.

>>7165733
Please link the thread to a thread here on /lit/, I want to see what the frog people say.

>>7165446
that's the interpretation of a coward who doesn't dare sympathize with these quotes

On Hitler's helping out August's mother

>"A little incident stands out in my memory. Adolf and I had left the inn for a bathe. We were both fairly good swimmers, but my mother, nervertheless, was nervous. She followed us and stood on a protruding rock to watch us. The rock sloped down to the water and was covered with moss. My poor mother, while she was anxiously watching us, slipped on the smooth moss and slid into the water. I was too far away to help her at once, but Adolf immediately jumped in after her and dragged her out. He always remained attached to my parents. As late as 1944, on my mother's 80th birthday, he sent her a food parcel"
p.41

>>7165387
The Final Solution (to woo Stefanie)

Eliot Rodger-tier.

>>7165464
>although she was deeply disturbed by her son's unusual nature, however proud she was at times of him. 'He is different from us,' she used to say"
Was Hitler autistic?

>>7165736

.....

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>7165740
Not that anon, but being able to sympathize with what I'm reading and still recognizing the faults in it aren't exclusive.

Its almost like we're reading a book!

/pol/ and /r9k/ redpilled guy here.

This is just speculation. It's most likely Jewish propaganda to sully the Hitler name.

Remember: Hitler did nothing wrong.

moar pls

this is extremely interesting

>>7165774
1/10

>>7165768
kek
/lit/ reads, go figure
(no, really)

>>7165774
What? These read like favorable quotes, how are any of these "sullying"

OP here. I have to go get some groceries soon but I'll post more when I'm back.

On Adolf's growing political ambitions and his feelings towards the "masses"

>"I would never have believed that these experiences in the suburbs of Vienna would have stirred up his whole personality so enormously, for I had always thought of my friend as basically an artists, and would have understood if he had grown indignant at the sight of the masses who appeared to be hopelessly perishing in their misery, yet remained aloof from all this, so as not to be dragged down into the abyss by the city's inexorable fate. I reckoned with his susceptibility, his aestheticism, his constant fear of physical contact with strangers - he shook hands only rarely and then only with a few people - and I thought this would be sufficient to keep him at a distance from the masses. This was only true of personal contacts, but with his whole overflowing heart he stood then in the ranks of the under-privileged. It was not sympathy in the ordinary sense which he felt for the disinherited. That would not have been sufficient. He not only suffered with them, he lived for them and devoted all his thoughts for the salvation of those people from stress and poverty. No doubt, this ardent desire for a total reorganisation of life was his personal response to his own fate, which had led him, step by step, into misery"
p.173

Just post the whole book fam tbh

>>7165788
They make him sound like a school shooter

>there's a whole up and coming generation of Hitlers

>>7165796
>This was only true of personal contacts, but with his whole overflowing heart he stood then in the ranks of the under-privileged. It was not sympathy in the ordinary sense which he felt for the disinherited. That would not have been sufficient. He not only suffered with them, he lived for them and devoted all his thoughts for the salvation of those people from stress and poverty

What a Marxist shit

>>7165808
:)))))!!!!!!!!!!!

>>7165806

You're quite right. What a horrible defamation of character, to make Hitler sound like a school shooter.

>>7165808
Lots of people were like Hitler in their youth. Even Napoleon hated the French and was a pretty solitary guy for most of his student years. He also didn't get well along with the women.

I think that the will to power grows with ever present dissatisfaction and low self esteem.

>>7165806
>>7165810
Kill yourself tbh

I think people comparing him to Elliot Rogers are pretty far off the mark
the only real similarity is loneliness

>>7165381
>He no longer attended school; did nothing to get himself job training; lived with his mother and let her keep him.
tfw Hitler was a true bitter NEET

>>7165638
with a wicked sense of humour

In isolation, he turned to productivity and bettering himself rather than jacking it to furry porn online.

>>7165836

kek

>>7165836
Weird format. Pretty hard to read.

>Hitler was a better bro than you are
Shit

>>7165836
saved for future generations

>>7165836
;-; what went wrong? he seemed like a p nice guy

>>7165836
Too small

OP here, back from buying groceries. I bought two pieces of pastry, a small pot of hummus, some white pitta bread, a packet of chewy candy, and some green seedless grapes.

On Adolf's intention on becoming a writer

>"Adolf wrote a great deal during this period. I had discovered that it was mainly plays, dramas actually. He took the plots from Germanic mythology or German history, but hardly any of these plays were really finished. [...] Adolf showed me some of his drafts, and I was struck by the fact that he attributed much importance to magnificent staging. [...] [I told him] the most profitable thing would be to write some unpretentious comedy. Unpretentious? This was all that was needed to make him furious. So this attempt, too, ended in failure."
p.176 / 177

>>7165888
not that anon but
>2242x1320
>too small

click 'view image' or zoom heh?

More on his literary ambitions

>"Gradually I came to realise that all my efforts were wasted. Even if I had managed to persuade Adolf to submit his drawings or his literary work to a newspaper editor or publisher, he would soon have quarrelled with his employer, for he could never tolerate any interference with his work, and it would presumably make no difference that he was getting paid for it. He simply could no bear taking orders from people, for he received enough orders from himself."
p.177

On Adolf's reluctance to fit into the artistic world

>"He never showed any desire to mix with people who shared his own professional interests, or to discuss with them common problems. Rather than meet people with specialised knowledge, he would sit alone on his bench in the Schonbrunn Park, in the vicinity of the Gloriette, holding imaginary conversations with himself about the subject matters of his books."
p.177

>>7165825
difference is that napoleon knew how to use his loneliness productively and diligently learn science and maths. but hitler was a disorganized romantic, interested in the usual metaphysically sublime stuff that fascinates more artistical and irrational people, hence the bonding with fellow opera etnhusiast Kubizek. and napoleon's problems with women were more sophisticated. meanwhile it's not clear whether hitler ever had sex.

>>7165883
Didn't he get mustard gassed in the war? That's the kind of experience that would make a robot go full /pol/tard

>>7165910

>He simply could no bear taking orders from people, for he received enough orders from himself."
p.177

I CAN FEEL YOU THROUGH THE SPACE-TIME CONTINUUM HITLER

>>7165925
You should get help, fam. Having internal voices command you to do this/holding yourself to bizarre standards that prevent you from engaging with other human beings is dangerous. See: Hitler.

>>7165922
hm interdasting

>>7165825
>Napoleon hated the French

What, really? I know he wasn't from France but it seems a bit ironic if the most iconic Frenchman hated France.

>>7165333
tfw you relate to hitler

>>7165916
>holding imaginary conversations with himself about the subject matters of his books
me tbh

On Adolf's love for books

>"So, for my friend it was books, always books. I could not imagine Adolf without books. He stacked them in piles around him. He had to have with him at his side the book he was currently working through. Even if he did not happen to be reading it just then, it had to be around. Whenever he went out, there would usually be a book under his arm. This was often a problem, for he would rather abandon nature and the open sky than the book."
p.179

>>7165929

>According to Jaynes, ancient people in the bicameral state of mind would have experienced the world in a manner that has some similarities to that of a schizophrenic. Rather than making conscious evaluations in novel or unexpected situations, the person would hallucinate a voice or "god" giving admonitory advice or commands and obey without question: one would not be at all conscious of one's own thought processes per se. Research into "command hallucinations" that often direct the behavior of those labeled schizophrenic, as well as other voice hearers, supports Jaynes's predictions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameralism_%28psychology%29

>>7165931
yeah it was bullshit. he disliked fellow students who were mostly native french noble richfags and were always above him in the social hierarchy of the academies. but that was before the revolution and he was mature enough not to generalize like an emo.

On Adolf's love of libraries, and more about books

>"Books were his whole world. In Linz, in order to procure the books he wanted, he had subscribed to three libraries. In Vienna he used the Hof Library so industriously that I asked him once in all seriousness whether he intended to read the whole library, which of course earned me some rude remarks"
p.180

>"Hardly anything would disturb him when he was reading, but sometimes he disturbed himself, for as soon as he opened a book he started talking about it, and I had to listen patiently whether I was interested in the subject or not. Every now and then, in Linz even more frequently than in Vienna, he would thrust a book into my hands and demand that I, as his friend, should read it."
p.180

>"Adolf had an especially feel for poets and authors who had something of value to say to him. He never read books simply to pass the time; it was a deadly earnest occupation. I got that impression more than once. What an upset if I did not take his reading seriously enough and played the piano while he was studying."
p.180

>>7165955
Ah, I see. Thanks.

>>7165901
>the most profitable thing would be to write some unpretentious comedy. Unpretentious? This was all that was needed to make him furious. So this attempt, too, ended in failure."
in this instance Hitler did nothing
literally "just turn your brain off dude lmao"

>>7165883
he was eternally bitter about his pathetic youth and hated the world for it. i imagine he relished in the power and the chaos he brought to the world when he was in charge of germany. his military adventurism was probably him taking revenge on the world itself for the shame he felt in his youth that he could never get over and haunted him still.

On the authors and works he enjoyed

>"In Linz, Adolf had started to read the classics. Of Goethe's 'Faust' he once remarked that it contained more than the human mind could grasp. [...] It is natural that, of Schiller's works, 'Wilhelm Tell' affected him most deeply. [...] He was profoundly impressed by Dante's 'Divine Comedy' [...] I know that he was interested in Herder, and we saw together Lessing's 'Minna von Barhelm'. He liked Stifter partly I suppose because he encountered in his writing the familiar picture of his native landscape, while Rosegger struck him, as he once put it, as 'too popular'"
p.181

>"Every now and then he would choose books which were then in vogue, but in order to form a judgement of those who read them, rather than of the books themselves. Ganghofer meant nothing to him, whilst he greatly praised Otto Ernst. [...] Adolf read Ibsen's plays in Vienna without being very much impressed by them."
p.181

>"As for philosophical works, he always had his Schopenhauer by him, later Nietzsche too"
p.181

>>7165987
Nice armchair psychology, my redditor acquaintance.

>>7165929

Motivation, discipline and drive aren't the same as auditory hallucinations breh.

>>7165946
GET HELP

>>7165987
>tfw only broken or insane people can ever become great

>tfw no great men like Hitler and Napoleon to rally behind and give purpose to your meaningless,directionless life

why live

>>7165860

That's because there was no online. Otherwise he would've been shitposting on /r9k/ to vent his frustration.

>tfw have many things in common with young Hitler

On Adolf's reasons for reading so much

>"He was a seeker, certainly, but even in his books he found only what suited him. [...] I remember him in Vienna expounding his many problems and usually winding up with a reference to some book, 'You see, the man who wrote this is of exactly the same opinion as I am.'"
p.182

>>7165987

kind of a lame explanation

>>7165987
ok, but lets not forget ww1. kubizek knew him when he was 17-19. other shit happened afterwards that i'd still count to his formative phase.

What a gold mine of a thread.

Thanks, OP.

>>7165998
>Motivation, discipline and drive aren't the same as auditory hallucinations breh.
They also don't beholden one to anti-social behaviors like being unable to take criticism or direction by others, and Hitler-san clearly fell into the latter.

>>7165989

>"Every now and then he would choose books which were then in vogue, but in order to form a judgement of those who read them, rather than of the books themselves.

God damn it.

This is getting too conspicuous. OP, are you a troll, thinking up stuff that'll relate to /lit/?

>>7166022

Depends on whether or not you're alienated. Being alienated doesn't make you Hitler either.

>>7166007
>>tfw no great men like Hitler
>Hitler
>great man

>>7166024

Nope, just found it on google books.

Uncanny to say the least.

>>7165836
>insert literally hitler meme

On August and Adolf's nights out at the opera

>"The high spots of our friendship were our visits to the Hof Opera, and memories of my friend are inseparably connected with these wonderful experiences."
p.183

>"Having finally secured the ticket, there started a rush towards the promenade which was fortunately not far from the box office. It was below the imperial box and one could hear excellently. Women were not admitted to the promenade which pleased Adolf hugely, but on the other hand it had the disadvantage of being split up into two halves by a brass railing, one for civilians, one for the military. [...] This always made Adolf very wild. Looking at these elegant lieutenants who, ceaselessly yawning, could hardly wait for the interval to display themselves in the foyer as they had just come out of their box, he said that among the visitors to the promenade artistic understanding varied in inverse proportion to the price of the tickets."
p.184

>>7166024
"Already in Linz, Adolf had started to read the cl
assics. Of Goethe's Faus
t he once remarked that
it contained more than 'the human mind could grasp. Once he saw, at the Burg Theatre, the
rarely performed second part, with Joseph Kainz in
the title role. Adolf was very moved and spoke
of it for a long time. It is natural that, of Sch
iller's works, Wilhelm Tell affected him most deeply.
On the other hand, strange to relate, he did not like Die Räuber very much. He was profoundly
impressed by Dante's Divine Comedy although,
to my mind, he was much too young when he
read it. I know that be was interested in Herder, and we saw together Lessing's Minna von
Barnhelm. He liked Stifter, partly perhaps becaus
e he encountered in his writings the familiar
picture of his native l
andscape, while Rosegger struck him, as he once put it, as too "popular."
Every now and then he would choose books which were Then in vogue, but in order to form a
judgment of those who read them rather than
of the books themselves. Ganghofer meant nothing
to him, while he greatly praised Otto Ernst, with whose works he was familiar. Of modem plays
we saw Frank Wedekind's Frühlingserwachen, and Der Meister von Palmyra by Wilbrandt. Adolf
read Ibsen's plays in Vienna without being very much impressed by them.
As for philosophical works, he always had his Sch
openhauer by him, later Nietzsche, too. Yet I
knew little about these, for he regarded these ph
ilosophers as, so to speak, his own personal
affair -- private property which he would not shar
e with anybody. This reticence was possibly also
due to the fact that we shared a love of music and this provided us with common ground more
rewarding than that of philosophy, which for me was rather a remote subject"

It's all legit. just google the book

>>7166032

Great and morally defensible aren't mutually exclusive. Genghis Khan was a cunt. Still a great man.

I think the term, especially when talking historical figures, comes from the great man theory.

I'm not le edgy /pol/-nazi by a long shot, but discrediting Hitler's huge impact, genius and abilities is ridiculous to say the least.

>>7166007

>>7166032

You might say he was evil, sure, but you can't deny he was great

>>7166058

A pompous clown.

Remember not to make /pol/ out of this thread, guys

>>7166056

Indefensible, of course. Sorry for the brainfart.

>>7165960
Reading too much: not even once

>>7166056
I don't subscribe to the Great Man Theory myself, but I see what you mean, anon. Of course Hitler is an important historical figure with huge impact, but I must confess the man had little in the way of genius and ability. Indeed, the worst elements of his leadership were when he assumed control instead of letting his subordinates take the helm.

>>7165989
>while Rosegger struck him, as he once put it, as 'too popular'"

Hipster trash

On Hitler's hatred of the claqueurs

>"One disadvantage was that the promenade was usually the haunt of the claque, and this often spoilt our pleasure. The usual procedure was very simple: a singer who wanted to be applauded at a certain point would hire a claque for the evening. Its leader would buy their tickets for his men and in addition pay them a sum of money. [...] So it would often happen that at a most unsuitable moment, roars of applause would break out all around us. This made us boil over with indignation. I remember once, during Tannhauser, we silencted a group of claqueurs by our hissing. One of them, who continued to shout 'Bravo!' even though the orchestra was still playing, was punched in the side by Adolf."
p.184

>Hitler was /lit/
>/lit/ler

>>7166082
Based Hitler defending the integrity of the arts

>>7166007
There's always ISIS

>>7166088
top kek anon, top kek

>>7166088
I didn't laugh as much as >>7166100 did, so don't feel encouraged

What timeframe does the book cover? Could you include the year with each quote?
These are amazing to read, keep going

On Adolf's opinion of Italian operas and Wagner

>"For him, the plots of Italian operas lad too much emphasis upon theatrical effect. He objected to trickery, knavery and deception as the basic elements of a dramatic situation. He said to me once, 'What would these Italians do if they had no daggers?'"
p.187

>"When he listened to Wagner's music he was a changed man: his violence left him, he became quiet, yielding and tractable. His gaze lost its restlessness; his own destiny, however heavily it may have weighed upon him, became unimportant. He no longer felt lonely and outlawed, misjudged by society. [...] From the stale, musty prison of his back room, he was transported into the blissful regions of Germanic antiquity, that ideal world which was the lofty goal for all his endeavours."
p.188

>>7166119
It covers their first meeting in 1904 and covers the period until 1909, and briefly his correspondence with Adolf and his later meeting with him in 1938.

>>7166127
>his later meeting with him in 1938.
I would be very interested in how he sees the contrast between his young friend and the Fuhrer

>>7165674
>But, as he himself avoided any personal meeting, this girl, although he could see that she walked the earth, remained a created of his dream world, towards whom he could project his desires, plans and ideas"

Waifuism in the current age.

More on Adolf's literary ambitions

>"In those weeks, Adolf wrote a lot, mainly plays, but also a few stories. He sat at his table and worked until dawn, without telling me very much about what he was doing. Only now and then would he throw on to my bed some closely written sheets of paper or would read out to me a few pages of his work, written in a strangely exalted style."
p.189

>>7166136
So far he's only mentioned Adolf's impression of him (the author) later in life.

>"Thirty years later, when he met met again in Linz, his friend whom he had last seen as a student of the Vienna Conservatoire, he was convinced that I had become an important conductor, but when I appeared before him as a humble municipal employee, Hitler, by then Reich Chancellor, alluded to the possibility of my assuming the direction of an orchestra. I declined with thanks. I no longer felt up to the task. When he realised that he could not help his friend with this generous offer, he recalled our common experiences at the Linz theatre and the Vienna Hof Opera, which had elevated our friendship from the commonplace to the sacred sphere of his own world, and invited me to come to Bayreuth."
p.188

>>7166138
uhm, how about Love in any age

>>7166082

>we silencted a group of claqueurs by our hissing.

reeeeeeeeeeeee

>>7165960
>tfw no intensely fierce, bookish and mentally deranged bf to judge and spite the world with

why even live

>>7166013
confirmation bias up this bitch.

ITT: genuinely sympathetic villains

On Adolf's behaviour when writing

>"Oblivious to his surroundings, he never tired, he never slept. He ate nothing, he hardly drank. At the most he would occasionally grab a milk bottle and take a hasty gulp, certainly without being aware of it, for he was too completely wrapped up in his work. Never before had I been so directly impressed by this ecstatic creativeness. Where was it leading him? He squandered his strength and talents on something that had no practical value. How long would his weakened, delicate body stand this overstrain?"
p.194

>>7166197
>I'm here to crash this country...
>with no survivors

>>7166186
marry me

LMAO THIS GUY IS EXACTLY LIKE /POL/-MONGRELS.

SOMEONE GO TO /POL/ AND TELL THEM ABOUT THIS HITLER FELLA, I'M SURE IT'LL BLOW THEIR MINDS

On the perceived contrasts between Adolf and others his age

>"I knew the normal interests of young people of my age: flirtations, shallow pleasures, idly play and a lot of unimportant, meaningless thoughts. Adolf was the exact opposite. There was an incredible earnestness in him, a thoroughness, a true passionate interest in everything that happened and, most important, an unfailing devotion to the beauty, majesty and grandeur of art"
p.194

>>7166209
That's where the /r9k/ and /pol/ comparisons fall apart.

Unless anime counts.

>>7166197
>>7166203
Jews, I'm NSDAP

Shit, he wasn't just human, he was a pretty decent one. It's too bad how he ended up, really. I relate to alot of his story.

OP here. I'm starting to get a headache now so I'll stop posting for the moment. I've reached page 196 of 260, and will continue either later or tomorrow if the thread's still active.

>>7166197
STALIN?

>>7166225
>liberal faggot detected

"If only we listened to his story, we'd be able to see that he was just misunderstood XDDDDD same with the ISIS guys who torture and kill, they're just lonely and prospectless hehe"

>>7166197
>lotta loyalty for an untermensch

>>7166230
Watch those edges kiddo

>>7166209
OH MY GOD I THINK I AM IN LOVE

I change my mind about everything. Hitler wasn't wrong.

>>7165371
>you will never show Hitler a night of true merriment and goodwill to all humans
>you will never inadvertently prevent the death of millions by chugging beers with an anti-semite and talking about philosophy

>>7166230
no one is excusing what Hitler did, they're just saying that he wasn't the complete monster he's portrayed as.

>>7166240
>Hitler
>not a complete monster

He absolutely was and his actions show that.

>"B-but he was a vegetarian!! he was nice to some people!!"

Eat shit, libfuck

>>7166228
He said sympathetic /villains/, anon.

>>7166230
What? When did I say any of that? Some of his character reminds me of myself, some of it reminds me of friends and people I know, I can really relate to him. This doesn't cancel the "crimes" he commited.
(Not that I can say I "hate" hitler, or think it's proper to judge him by 21st century western morality)

>>7166230
I like this proverb tbh (to be honest)

>>7166247
>I'm a dumb faggot who thinks people are unidimensional
He wasn't vegetarian either

>>7166247
>thinking within a moral spectrum

>>7166247
What an illogical, unpleasant person you are.

4chan really does ruin some people's capacity for thought.

>>7166247
Very binary thinking.

>>7165311
>watch a documentary about Hitler as an eight year old
>always thought of him as a cruel monster, devoid of dreams or personality
>hear that he wanted to make art
>suddenly, realize this man had human dreams and pains
>understand that his evil came out of a desire to produce good in his own eyes
>see the extraordinary pain he must have felt, to create such deep bitterness and hate
>feel almost breathless for a second and say without thinking
>"I feel bad for him"
>made to stare at pictures of holocaust victims on the family computer until I nearly burst into tears

Sorry for that /lit/, just remembered losing my innocence.

>>7166247
or, that he was a product of his time and the circumstances in Germany were a perfect storm of bullshit that allowed Hitler to come to power. He didn't personally kill all those jews did he?

You can sympathize with him as he was quite a lot like us but at the same time you don't have to agree with his ideology or his actions.

>>7166268
You guys seem surprised that Hitler was an actual human being.

"OH MY GOD HE TOOK A SHIT. I NEVER REALIZED THAT THE MONSTER HITLER HAD BODILY FUNCTIONS. HOW UTTERLY I SYMPATHIZE WITH HIM. WHAT A GREAT MAN! TRULY SIMILAR TO ME AFTER ALL"

Did you not expect him to be an outcast loser before reading this shit?

>>7166255
xD

>>7166282
I found someone that got hit a little too close to home by this thread.

>>7165353
>>7165371
>tfw Hilter was just a NEET who wanted to be loved

>>7166281
>or, that he was a product of his time and the circumstances in Germany were a perfect storm of bullshit that allowed Hitler to come to power.

There we see how far the libcucks have infested everything.

>"Hitler wasn't actually responsible, it was the socio-historic-cultural-economic self-movement that MADE him do those things. He is absolved of personal responsibility"

>>7165371
>"But he? Where should he have gone that Christmas Eve? He had no acquaintances, no friends, nobody who would have received him with open arms. For him the world was hostile and empty. [...] All he ever told me of that Christmas Eve was that he had wandered around for hours. Only towards morning had he returned home and gone to sleep. What he thought, felt and suffered I never knew"
>He had no acquaintances, no friends, nobody who would have received him with open arms. For him the world was hostile and empty. [...] All he ever told me of that Christmas Eve was that he had wandered around for hours.

Oh god.

>tfw you are literally Hitler

>>7165910
>He simply could no bear taking orders from people, for he received enough orders from himself.

>>7166247

Black and white thinking is actually a symptom of mental disorders.

Educated people are capable of perceiving nuance. This thread is a great example of nuance.

>>7166298
Hitler didn't die a virgin though.

>>7166197
Pic related.

''Villain'' who did nothing wrong. Got rid of communists and saved Chile.

>>7166247
your thinking, reminds me of my parents
>>7166274
and my parents thinking, reminds me of the attitude that allows someone to kill "monsters"

>>7166300
Next you'll be saying racism is a bad thing or that women aren't inferior to men.

Try again, libcuck

>>7166294
Have you even read up on Germany just before the Nazis? People lived in complete poverty, The treaty of versailles fucked germany over and because of it, people hate the weimar government. So, it's no surprise that people would vote for the charismatic demagogue that promised change.

But, I'm 100% sure you're a le epic baitmaster who got his rise out of everyone so congratulations, you really contributed to the thread.

>>7166302
There is zero evidence to suggest he ever had sex. He was invited to a christmas party during the war but left soon after arriving when a drunken young woman kissed his cheek under a piece of mistletoe hanging overhead.

>>7166294

Being capable of sympathizing and showing understanding for the guy is not identical to excusing him of his actions. It is a way to learn from history and nuance your thinking.

You fucking idiot. You're one big thought-terminating cliché.

I sympathise with Hitler

>>7166255
I was making a reference to the plane scene, instead of BANE? I said STALIN?

>>7166308

I'm too dignified for that.

What I will say however, is that it is rather conspicuous that the ones agitating for their own racial superiority are always and without failure the poorest examples of their own race, and that men agitating for their gender's superiority are likewise always and without failure the poorest example of their gender.

Armchair psychologist out. Keep trollin'.

>>7166292
anime psychology gtfo

OK /lit/, let's see just how /hit/ you think you are.

http://strawpoll.me/5596192

>>7166330
>the ones agitating for their own racial superiority are always and without failure the poorest examples of their own race, and that men agitating for their gender's superiority are likewise always and without failure the poorest example of their gender.

I'm just a product of my society. my hatred is because i'm misunderstood and lonely.

PLease sympathize with me, i'm like Hitler xDD

>>7166327
I see now, comrade.

>>7166274
The lesson we should draw from Hitler is that bourgeois societies produce broken people capable of dangerous reactions. One more reason to overthrow their class rule and establish scientific socialism.

>>7166372
This tbh.

>>7166372
rather hitler than nobody at all tbh

>>7166372
correct. with the numbers of disenfranchised, alienated and bitter young men in a situation of endemic mass unemployment and chronically low social mobility, both of which will get much, much worse in the coming decades, and the increasing probability of chaotic geo-political crises due to mass migration and climate change, times are ripe for such a thing to happen again within the next twenty or thirty years.

>tfw you realize that hitler was basically the concept artist for thousands of pulp movies, comics and video games involving nazis

>>7166388
>tfw you realize girls' assholes smell too

>>7166385
The only thing that needs to happen is a great man to rise and give those bitter young men a purpose but I doubt it seeing how addicted everyone is to mindless entertainment.

>>7166372
uhm you don't need to be "broken" to be capable of dangerous reactions

you could be, say, just pretty dumb

>>7166372
t. frankfurt school

>>7166393
I bet that person will love Paradise Loft

>>7166385
I'm ready as fuck. Europe can not continue like this, a reset is needed before our culture is gone and countries are only zones where slightly different rules apply to the ultra-capitalist oligarchs who govern us. Fuck the traditional left and right, the third position must rise again in Europe.

Very interesting thread, please keep them coming

>>7166417
Is Peter Hitchens calling for the overthrow of capitalism?

>>7166417
>Peter
So he's a socialist now?

>>7166425
>>7166428
Just saved it because I agree with the statement, I don't know anything of the man on the picture or his ideological position.

>>7166428
>>7166425
>Preserving borders = muh socialism

>>7166437
well yeah, globalization is the result of capitalism

>>7166321
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpUqpLh0iRw Lars accent just makes it funnier

>>7166437
He's just an old royalist conservative than.
Backward thinking but a helpful ally against the capitalists.

>>7166457
Is there anything more repulsive than a Danish accent

>>7166457

Remember not to make /pol/ out of this thread, guys

but it's approaching the bump limit so whatever have fun

>>7166496
>posts Hitler
>doesn't want to get redpilled to non-ideological, undistorted, objective, scientific, Absolute T-Truth

Maybe tumblr is more to your liking

>>7166457
>Kirsten Dunst's expression through that whole fiasco
>Dunst trying to stop von Trier

lel

>>7166517

I obscenity in the milk of thy "redpills"

>Absolute T-Truth

>>7166526
*tips fedora*

This isn't even interesting

We get it

He was a faggot during his teen/early adult

What I want to know is what went through his mind when he started rallying people in the pubs

An amazing man who very nearly changed the entire world. Not self-serving easy changes, either - sweeping, incredibly difficult ones that would have set humanity forward thousands of years. Eugenics, genocide of the under-races, etc.

The bad guys won, like they always do.

>>7166473
>Is there anything more repulsive than a Danish accent
South African accent. Sounds like liquid evil.

>>7166559
>>7166526
don't you mean
*tolls bell*

>>7166569
I'm literally reading a thread on /sci/ about the superior intelligence of the Ashkenazi Jews. How are the the under-races? If anything, they disproportionately contribute far more intellectual advancement in a variety of fields.

>>7166457
>I understand Hitler
>Speer was one of Gods best children
>OK, im a nazi
this guy is hilarious

>>7166636
they're evil man!

>>7166636
Don't you know that jews are completely inferior to the great germanic people but they are also run the world?

/pol/ is just a stew of contrarian contradictory shit, don't pay any attention to it.

>>7166586
>sounds like liquid evil

>>7166631
thx for getting it

>>7166636

Yes, what a shock that IQ tests designed and administered by jews report jews to be highly intelligent.

>>7166711
it's clearly part of the jewish plot to subvert the west imo (in my poinon)

>>7166715
>poinon

>>7166741

>eh dostne' premuteta

>>7166274
Why do you feel the necessity to appear as though you are possessed by the popular opinion on a certain topic?
I never understood this.

Kind of a shame that this fuckwit gets attention when 6 million jews don't. You forget he is the worst most despicable person of the 20th century. Imagine how far humanity could have progressed with those jew minds.

>>7166417
Has Hitchens read Unabomber?

>>7166472
How are borders socialist?
What?

>>7166780
He was already dead

>>7166778
Europe would be ruled by a Jewish banker-caste with millions of anglo-saxons in poverty?

>>7166787
Peter Hitchens.
And Christopher was not dead,
there is an episode of C-Span in which he refuses to discuss Unabomber.

>>7166794
Nevermind then, I was mislead.

>>7166789
One of them could have been Einstein, Schoenberg, Kafka, not to mention their offspring

>>7166804
Kafka died before WWI and before he had any children.
Einstein was never going to die because like the majority of rich jews he left the country.
Hitler needn't have done anything but scared the jewish bankers out, which he did before any pogroms occurred.
I question whether it was rather Goebbels who was the "mastermind", though.

>>7166824
*scare

>>7166824
>could have been

>>7166824
I'm saying lots of jews died that could have come up with great stuff. Those three I mentioned are jew achievers, I know none died in the holocaust.

Maybe you don't get that the overwhelming majority of European jews were wiped out forever.

>>7166778
He was a good boy. He din du nuffin.

>>7166778
>You forget he is the worst most despicable person of the 20th century.
We haven't forgotten anything. In fact, we have been reminded periodically. At least in this thread I can read something I haven't a thousand times already.

>>7166391
This ruined my dreams for the future.

>>7166824
Kafka had a son that died when he was 7 years old. Kafka never knew of his existence.

>>7166778

Attention paid to Hitler does not exclude attention paid to his victims. Don't be a tard.

We are not forgetting that what he did was despicable, we are learning more about what drove him to it, which is actually interesting as fuck, as well as useful. Learning from history is never folly.

>>7166940
GUYS BABY SHOES NEVER WORN LMAO

>>7166846
The majority migrated to the US before it ever occurred. There are more Ashkenazim in the US than in Israel.
There are more Jews and Jewesses in the US than Israel.

>>7165390
real human bean

>>7166642
tbh Speer was a sick cunt and I admire him

>pic related, speer looking swag like 007

>>7166711

>>7166525
>Kirsten Dunst will never laughingly interrupt your pol-tier rant

why even live

>>7165347
>"There was a strange contradiction which always struck me: all his thoughts and ambitions were directed towards the problem of how to help the masses, the simple, the decent but under-priveleged people with whom he identified himself - they were ever-present in his thoughts - but in actual fact he always avoided any contact with people"

Like most leftists

>>7165740
You can hardly deny the similarity with /pol and, more suprisingly, /r9k. here are endearing things about young Hitler (his shyness, his insisting on dressing well, his loyalty to his friend, his way of coping with poverty, etc.), but the 4chanesque parts (unjustified self-righteousness, feeling of entitlement, being prone to angry generalizations and lecturing his own friends for no reason, etc.) aren't.

>>7165834
And the lottery thing and the woman-hating. Many people play lottery, not many people play to finance a marriage with a girl they don't really know, think buying a ticket is tantamount to winning, and feel robbed when they don't get picked in an odd of less than one in a thousand.

I'd say it's not only loniless but a feeling of humiliation in impotence, along with some frustated yeaning for greatness or recognition. This fits well with the art school rejection.

>>7165922
He spent very little time in the trenches, but he got to participate in a pretty ghastly battle. Don't remember if that's where he was wounded however.
>>7165931
His comrades at school made fun of him for his Corsian accent, but again who never got picked on at school. It seems his subordinates were pretty fond of him early on.
>>7165939
This is /lit to the extreme (I mean if /lit actually read).

>>7165968
>writing something unpretentious and comical
>turning your brain off

So Shakespeare wrote some of his plays in a state of coma ? Hitler's friend was not your average 21st century HS normie, if anything the anecdote is amusing.

>>7166005
Greatness is successful insanity tbh. I mean why conquer a continent when you can just chill out in the capital with your high-society pals ?

>>7166052
> he said that among the visitors to the promenade artistic understanding varied in inverse proportion to the price of the tickets."

kek

>>7166163
Projecting your ideal on someone isn't Love (or love for that matter). If you can't be bothered to even get to the loved one in the first place, it's probably not love.

>>7166257
>think it's proper to judge him by 21st century western morality

This one is funny. Hitler was 20th century Western, not 13th century Mongol. And he was judged by his contemporaries, we're mostly passing along the judgement in most cases.
>>7166294
To be fair he didn't do most of the hard work (even as far as planning and strategy are concerned). He was an important front figure, but the Nazi machine didn't need him that much. Now he was their boss, so of course he's responsible.

>>7166312
The role of the Versailles Treaty is often overrated. The sanctions had been practically dropped at the onset of the 1930s, but the national sense of humiliation coalesced with the trauma of the Depression leading to the idea that it was all the Frog and Bong's fault. When you think about it it's rather similar to how people barely talk about the Spanish Flu that killed more people than WWI, as if the memory of WWI had swallowed the memory of the flu.

>>7167242
GUYS PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO ME LOOK AT MY REALLY LONG POST IT MEANS I'M OBJECTIVELY RIGHT /THREAD GUYS IT'S OVER I'M HERE NOW

Literally kill yourself.

>>7166401
Bush, and the bourgeoisie in general that he represents, are arguably the most "broken" by the system they benefit from. As the brokers of power, being planted into this system where they control the lives of their fellow human beings to meet their (the capitalists') own ends, they are the most incapable of relating to human beings on any level outside of market (which is to say, power) relations. Everything is propelled by profit motive, even (perhaps especially) when they think it isn't. See: the ongoing hot world war that he started for American capital.

>>7165381
>>"At Linz, Hitler made neither a good not a bad impression on me. He was also not a leader in class. He was slim and upright, his face mostly pale and gaunt, and there was almost a consumptive look about him, his gaze enormously open, his eye luminous"

So, so many people comment on his entrancing eyes. Lady Mosley wrote about it in her biography 'A Life of Contrasts'

>>7166711
Even if IQ was actually a Jew invention, you'd have to also apply that reasoning to Nobel Prizes, Fields Medals, and a lot of XXth and XIXth century science, philosophy and music.
People were raving about muh ashkenazi geniuses before IQ was invented.
>>7166789
Fun thing, the Anglo-saxons actually make up most of the banking caste.
>>7167149
Actually it depends on how you count (by some definition of "Jewish" there are 1 million more in Israel than in the US, by others there are 2 millions more jews in the US). But not, "the majority" did not migrate to the us, else it wouldn't have taken decades for the jewish population of the US to equal the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust.

>>7166711
don't /pol/bots use IQ test results as proof that blacks are inferior?

>>7167254
If you don't want to read my post, how about ignoring it ? You seem angry for a very obscure reason. Go outside, chill out a bit.

>>7167149
Ok, but how does any of this change the fact that Hitler would have killed them?

>>7165450
Holy fuck yeah. It's Elliot Rodger.

>>7167296
>proof

>>7167301
Just fuck off you self-important cunt

>>7167242
>He spent very little time in the trenches, but he got to participate in a pretty ghastly battle. Don't remember if that's where he was wounded however.

2nd Battle of Ypres IIRC. His gassing came later in the war though, because he was still in convalescence when the war ended.

Which translation do you have, OP?

>>7165929
>>7167266
>See:

>>7167430
>Because he was my friend

>>7167472
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW_lIQSpVAY

>>7167291
But isn't the Nobel positively prejudiced toward Jewish people?

Not to get all /pol/ on you, but there is more than a little ethnic networking going on there.

>>7167430
That makes me so fucking angry. The tightness of the grip which the Jews and their goy friends have over the West and by extension the world is infuriating and monumentally dispiriting; I hate falsifiers of history more than anything else. It's the same case with post-war Jewish translator and 'scholar' Walter Kaufmann, and it exists at all levels of academia. Some people in this thread are tasting their first flavours of truth. There are people out there - millions of people - for whom 'Hitler' is synonymous with 'evil', 'racist' too is for them synonymous with evil, anything inverse of those two things is therefore 'good'. That is the extent of their philosophical grounding, people like Will Self who's invited to appear on the BBC's Nietzsche Documentary 'Human, All Too Human', as if he understands Nietzsche's philosophising and is qualified to comment on it, and yet when he appears on Question Time he spouts platitudinous and childish remarks about the benefits of multiculturalism (multiracialism exclusively imposed on Europeans and European diaspora) and uses non-words like 'homophobic' and 'racist' (a word devised by a pernicious Jew in the '40s).

Providing an insight into the non-Hollywood version of Hitler is useful because it helps to free people from their trance and intellectual adherence to the orthodox and domineering leftist view which permeates at all levels of discussion other than the radical-right, (which is one of the few things which it cannot absorb). I don't doubt that Hitler became a very nasty man in many respects, just as he was exceedingly polite in many respects (read 'HItler's War' by David Irving for a more accurate historical account of Hitler during and just before the War), I am simply urging people to look beyond the accepted and all-pervading thought control which is a symptom of the contemporary liberal dispensation. Go beyond good and evil.

Kershaw won't be rated in a century's time. Neither will Kaufmann, Derrida, Klossowski, Butler, Foucault, Deleuze nor other similar human trash. The Second World War occurred too recently, we are still too blinded to have formulated an accurate account of it. Irving is hated today, he will be revered tomorrow. The same goes for Hitler (who will be placed among Napoleon and Alexander) as well as Ludovici, Evola and others.

>>7166079
>Of course Hitler is an important historical figure with huge impact, but I must confess the man had little in the way of genius and ability. Indeed, the worst elements of his leadership were when he assumed control instead of letting his subordinates take the helm.

No, he was a genius. He didn't go from homeless to dictator on luck. His military talents weren't that good, but were still far better than 99% of politicians who've ever had to lead a war. Roosevelt and Churchill definitely were no where near his capacity, either as a politician or strategist.

You have to remember that he didn't get given a leg up, either. He joined the party when it had seven people and took it to control of a nation. He was the speaker, strategist, propagandist, and everything else all rolled into one. That sounds like a genius to me. Even other people who came from poverty to greatness usually had a mentor or connections to push them along.

>>7165311
Hitler is fucking awesome

>>7168387
damn, Hitler is like the Steve Jobs of fascism!

>>7168708
Tips swastika

>>7167799

Alexander didn't lose any wars.

From 1909-1910 Hitler lived on the streets of Vienna.

By 1939 he was the most powerful man in the world.

>>7167799
>Aufstanden auf ASS RUIN

>>7166222

you don't get to bring diamonds

Why is Hitler the most likable of all the WW2 leaders?

>Stalin: legit psychopath, paranoid little manlet that slaughtered/starved millions of his own people
>Churchill: drunk old racist who couldn't command his way out of a wet paper bag
>Roosevelt: kike worshiper, polio cripple, his new deal nearly bankrupted the country
>De Gaulle: classic French pussy, went and hid in the mountains until America came and bailed his pisshole country out
>Mussolini: pseudo-fascist retard who couldn't even beat the fucking Greeks equipped with WWI-era rifles

>With the draft memoir complete and clandestinely transmitted, Speer sought a new project. He found one while taking his daily exercise, walking in circles around the prison yard. Measuring the path's distance carefully, Speer set out to walk the distance from Berlin to Heidelberg. He then expanded his idea into a worldwide journey, visualizing the places he was "traveling" through while walking the path around the prison yard. Speer ordered guidebooks and other materials about the nations through which he imagined he was passing, so as to envisage as accurate a picture as possible.[109] Meticulously calculating every meter traveled, and mapping distances to the real-world geography, he began in northern Germany, passed through Asia by a southern route before entering Siberia, then crossed the Bering Strait and continued southwards, finally ending his sentence 35 kilometres (22 mi) south of Guadalajara, Mexico.[110]

>>7167799
>(who will be placed among Napoleon and Alexander)
doubt it tbh
still, you don't become the devil of the 20th century without something going for you

>>7167748
The Nobel is prejudiced towards intelligent achievement

>>7168762
He was also born into his position and had a vastly superior army to most of his enemies. Besides, no one would argue Hitler was one of the best generals of all-time, but as far as orator and politician went, he had no equal.

>>7168892

>vastly superior
>usually outnumbered 20:1

>>7168842
Eh, Napoleon was rather villified back in the day. So was Genghis, and even Alexander and Caesar. Who knows?

>>7168997
Source? And usually? I don't believe that. Must have been peasant armies if he was.

I don't think Hitler was above intelligence or anything, he just happened to be charismatic like most leaders and in the right position at the right time

>>7165860
>furry porn is bad
...normie

>>7166247
jew spotted

>>7165989
>"As for philosophical works, he always had his Schopenhauer by him, later Nietzsche too"

Welp, looks like Hitler is /r9k/ incarnate

>>7169186
How's that any different from /lit/?

>>7169196
A lack of Stirner

I've read a lot on Rudolf Hess, another fascinating character. Opposite to Hitler in many ways, he was the the perfect servent to Hitler's ideas. Hess drew engery from Hitler and truely beleived he was the messiah, Hitler would be as hard on him as he was everyone else but Hess truely took those criticism to heart to better live up to the Fuher. When in Spandau, Hess heard in one of Hitlers last days Hitler lamented about him that he had been the only one who had any faith, Hess began to tear

>>7165353
>He did not smoke, he did not drink, and in Vienna, for instance, he lives for days on milk and bread only"

This changed quite a bit later on. During his service in WW1, he picked up a 30 cigarette-a-day habit, but quit some years later. Alcohol remain unappealing to him for the most part, but when he was in power he had a special beer made at 2% abv, in order to appeal to the rich drinking culture in Germany. After the defeat at Stalin, sleep became so difficult for him that he succumbed to drinking 3-4 glasses of real brew before bedtime. Also he claimed to eat at least 2 pounds of chocolate a day, which would explain his awful teeth.

>>7165371
This is weird...is Hitler just like a cult leader or something? Reading all this I get the feeling he didn't believe anything he said and circumstances allowed him to transform himself into the right person at the right time by saying what people wanted to hear after WWI. Unless he just read pulp novels and some Nieztsche tossed in

>>7165748
could be. or he also sounds like a schizoid, or maybe some anxiety disorder because of his shyness. I know from reflecting on my experience that my dislike for socializing, drinking, improper manners/conduct and all that stuff ultimately stemmed from trying to rationalize my anxiety. looks like young hitler might have taken it to its logical conclusion :^)

>>7168387
He had a lot of sympathy. In 1922 he attempted to overthrow the Bavarian government and utterly failed. But since the judicial system was still run by judges from the empire, the judges, and the public in general, thought him more of a hero than anything and gave him a light sentence of 6 months for something that was obviously treason. As for building up the party, Hitler happened to be surrounded by a lot of hardworking and dedicated people who crafted his image. Hitler himself was notoriously lazy, but to be fair an energetic speaker and campaigner

>>7169572
>Unless he just read pulp novels and some Nieztsche tossed in

That's more accurate than you may think. His anti-semitism was nurtured by little more than the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion and a few pamphlets he read while in Vienna. He filled his libraries with books he never read, and Mein Kampf is a butchery of the German language.

>>7169745
His anti-antisemitism was also influenced by his love for Wagner, his reading of Martin Luther, his talking to poor people in the heated public rooms of Vienna (who complained of migrants, etc) and so on. It's rather naive to think the Protocols and a couple of pamphlets had such an overwhelming effect.

>>7169929
I was speaking purely on his self admitted background with Anti-Semitism as a theory. He explicitly said he would leave the hard work to the "intellectual" anti-semites of the time.

>>7169966
Majority of Germans at the time held anti-semitic views, it was just a product of the National culture. I read the Himmler biography, who was also an avid reader in his youth and there was nothng ovely radical in his interests, he didn't go out to explicity find anti-semitic texts and he wasn't overtly antisemtic, but they were surely ancilliary to the nationalist literature he was reading

>>7169745
Yeah, but he also suffered from the same problems of isolation/alienation from society that was inherent to the Jews. I imagine though seeing all the rich jews in vienna didn't help, but there were plenty of poor jews at the time too... then again I guess jews weren't considered to be german nationals.

Anyway another one of the excerpts OP posted was about Hitler being an avid reader. But taking from your comment and his poor quality of his painting and writing he was probably just giving the appearance of artistic activity to his friend but in reality he was just mediocre or in private all he just did was neeted in his bed all day like oblomov because there was no equivalent to 4chan in those days except staring at the ceiling

>>7169104

Ancient sources have Alexander fielding 50 thousand troops at Gaugamela to Darius' 1 million.

I don't want to sound like an anime loving nerd but this sounds exactly like Reinhardt from Legend of Galactic Heroes

>>7166227

TY OP>>7166227