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Nietzche was the Severus Snape of national socialism

>>7139581
Here is your response.

True, he was a huge nationalist.

>>7139589
He was a European nationalist who hated German nationalism because it disunited western civilisation.

>>7139592
>European nationalist

>>7139594
The German nation is constructed despite there being a Bavarian and Swabian nation.
Following on from this,
there could be a mainland European nationalism.

>>7139592
>>7139594
What a fucking idiot tbh

I'm on my phone, can someone post the Zarathustra quote about the state

Nice try with cunninghams law you faggot.

Also, the British Fascist Oswald Mosley had plans for a European nation which would replace Germany and Britain.

>>7139594
You've gone your entire lifetime without realising the EU is a product of Pan-European nationalism?

>>7139638
>I turned my back to the rulers when I saw what they called ruling: bartering and haggling with the rabble... Among all the hypocrisies, this seems to me the wosrt: that even those who commanded feigned the virtues of the serfs

Nietzsche has often been viewed as a confrontational deconstructionist – a modern protagonist of the same kind of relativism, skepticism and cynicism that the Sophists, back in the 5th century B.C., had launched in Ancient Greece. But his thoughts and ideas also include many constructive elements, which even may be viewed as laying the foundation for a whole philosophy of life. The overhuman ideal is a prime example of this constructive side of Nietzsche. Here, he paints an
alternative image of the human race, an image which, according to Nietzsche, makes contemporary people appear as monkeys, in comparison. Thus, as he lets Zarathustra phrase it, humanity is just “a rope stretched between the animal and the overhuman – a rope over an abyss.”8
However, it is all philosophers’ fate to be misinterpreted, and by using hyperbolic statements like the one above, Nietzsche is certainly not an exception to this rule. On the contrary, he is particularly affected by malicious readings, and especially with regard to the idea of the overhuman. For instance, a prevailing belief is still that the overhuman would correspond to the Aryan Nazi of the 20th century, even though Nietzsche, unlike many of his contemporaries, often praised Jews and looked down upon German nationalism and authoritarianism.9 Thus, Nietzsche’s overhuman cannot be a blond Aryan or serve as a kind of Nazi ideal. The overhuman is individualistic and would never stoop to the kind of herd mentality that was so significant of the Nazi movement.

>>7139666
>Nietzsche has often been viewed as a confrontational deconstructionist – a modern protagonist of the same kind of relativism, skepticism and cynicism that the Sophists, back in the 5th century B.C., had launched in Ancient Greece.

But no matter how the dispute on these points may ultimately be decided, it seems fairly obvious that there must be a strong Nietzschean influence in National Socialism, if only because of the powerful breath of pre-Socratic Hellenism which has prevailed in Germany ever since the NSDAP seized the reins of government.

For the sake of those readers who are not quite clear regarding this association of Nietzscheism with pre-Socratic values, perhaps it would be as well to point out that, according to Nietzsche, the history of mankind falls, as it were, into two halves — the period preceding Socrates, during which the public estimate of a man was always based upon his biological worth, and the period following Socrates, during which the public estimate of a man always tended to neglect or ignore his biological worth. How Socrates changed the point of view in order to make things tolerable for himself (a degenerate specimen) I have already explained in these pages. Thus, Nietzsche claimed that the Socratic way of looking at men which ignored their biological worth, or regarded it as negligible, was a way which favored degenerates, just as it had favored the great degenerate who first instituted it; and the German philosopher advocated a return to the pre-Socratic values which, by being concentrated on biological worth, would combat and eliminate degeneracy.

Nor does the overhuman ideal alludes to an individual who accomplishes as much as possible in as short time as possible. Thus, it is not about being a successful careerist or status-seeker, who also succeeds in building lasting relationships, raising exceptional children and cultivating a perfect body. The overhuman ideal does not mean that you have to achieve all of the ideals celebrated by society, and neither does it necessarily translate into efficiency. Rather, it is about an approach to life and the events one encounters in it.
Still, the questions linger: How can we readily imagine the overhuman? What portrait can we paint of this ideal? What kind of individual can we envision more concretely? One answer to these questions is to think of the overhuman as Pippi Longstocking, this fictional, nine- year old, parentless girl, created by the Swedish author, Astrid Lindgren. From the start, it is crucial to emphasize that it is not Pippi’s physical strength, perhaps her most recognized attribute, that makes her overhuman. She is not an overhuman in the simple sense of being some kind of female version of “Superman,” a third common fallacy about Nietzsche’s ideal. Unfortunately, this term has often been the English translation of the German term “Übermensch.” But Pippi is not primarily superior due to her physical abilities. She is overhuman in her approach to life and in her immediate, life-affirming actions.

>>7139672
Hitler's being influenced is now mostly a moot point to anyone but a historian. Who cares what Hitler meant? Back to the more interesting Nietzsche.

>>7139674
>här kommer övermannen, tjolahopp tjolahej tjolahoppansa, här kommer övermannen här kommer faktiskt jag

Amor fati
One of the more important aspects of the life approach that Nietzsche connects with the overhuman is the Stoic willingness to accept life in every part of its tragic form. As he expresses it in Ecce homo: “My formula for greatness in a human being is amor fati: that one wants nothing to be different, not forward, not backward, not in all eternity. Not merely bear what is necessary, still less conceal it ... but love it.”
This grand will to accept the world as it is, in all its aspects, is patently displayed by Pippi. Even though she lives all by herself, something that should be viewed in light of all children’s great fear of losing their parents, there is no resentment in her, no wish that life should have been different. Instead, she resorts entirely to the amor fati principle and sees the good in the fate that, after all, has hit her: “My mother is an angel and my father is a cannibal king, it is certainly not all children who have such fine parents.” From life’s military school, she has thus learned the maxim that Nietzsche exalts in Twilight of the idols: “What does not kill me makes me stronger.”

http://www.lexido.com/EBOOK_TEXTS/HUMAN_ALL_TOO_HUMAN_BOOK_ONE_.aspx?S=475

http://www.lexido.com/EBOOK_TEXTS/MISCELLANEOUS_MAXIMS_AND_OPINIONS_.aspx?S=183

http://www.lexido.com/EBOOK_TEXTS/MISCELLANEOUS_MAXIMS_AND_OPINIONS_.aspx?S=186

http://www.lexido.com/EBOOK_TEXTS/MISCELLANEOUS_MAXIMS_AND_OPINIONS_.aspx?S=302

http://www.lexido.com/EBOOK_TEXTS/MISCELLANEOUS_MAXIMS_AND_OPINIONS_.aspx?S=323

>suckers actually believe this

>>7139681
tope

>>7139687
>Posting excerpts from his earliest works
>Not posting his fervent antisemitism shown in later works

The resentment against life, which permeates the entirety of Mrs. Finkvist’s character, can also be found in Socrates, according to Nietzsche. In The gay science, he ridicules Socrates’ famous last words: “O Crito, I owe Asclepius a rooster.” For all those who have ears, Nietzsche argues, these words have to be interpreted as “O Crito, life is a disease.” The reason is that Asclepius was the god of medicine in Ancient Greece, which clearly implies that Socrates, through death, claimed to be cured of a disease.
But this resentment and animosity towards life are also embedded within wide-ranging belief systems, Nietzsche argues, and not just within individual people. Christianity is an example of such a life-denying belief system. Here, the extensive suffering in the world works as a pretext against life itself, according to Nietzsche. Instead, he wants to emphasize the need to accept suffering as part of life. Thus, when suffering befalls us, we should not gloomily try to comfort ourselves with the idea that a better afterlife awaits us. We should move on and accept life as it is. We should live our lives, not say no to it. We should realize, as Nietzsche points out in The Anti-Christ, that heaven is to be found in how we live, here and now, together with the ones we love: “The ‘kingdom of God’ is not something one waits for ... it does not come ‘in a thousand years’ – it is an experience within a heart.” Simply enough, God is in the hands that we hold.

>>7139694
>middle phase
>earliest
dun goofd
also gj ignoring his own classification of it in "ecce homo"

>fervent antisemitism shown in later works
such as?

>>7139587
underrated post

>>7139691
So what is it?

>>7139697
Oh, Mrs. Finkvist. Nm.

Was Odysseus Nietzschean?

>>7139705
It's just a little song Pippi sings, with "pippi långstrump" replaced by "the overman"
>here comes pippi långstrum, tjolahopp tjolahej tjolahoppsansa, here comes pippi långstrum here comes actually me
or something like that

>>7139705
I found him referencing the theme song and substituting nietzchean lyrics to be funny, simple as that.

However, when Nietzsche attacks those who say no to life, it is not always the Christians he is after, but also Arthur Schopenhauer’s introverted and life-denying pessimism. Schopenhauer, who, in many respects, Nietzsche was influenced by, argued in accordance with Buddhist teachings that one must give up the thirst for life and live ascetically if one is ever to reach a final fulfillment in life. Contrary to this opinion, Nietzsche, for instance in Twilight of the idols, argues that one has to say yes to life, no matter how cruel it can be:
“Affirmation of life even in its strangest and sternest problems, the will to life rejoicing in its own inexhaustibility through the sacrifice of its highest types – that is ... to realize in oneself the eternal joy of becoming.”
Pippi lives her life in a manner that is exactly as life- affirming as Nietzsche ever could have wished for. She does not despair over her fate. She has come to terms with it. Not in a cold, detached or resentful manner, but by giving it a life-affirming meaning, and by viewing every novel situation as a new set of opportunities. Pippi’s solitary existence in Villa Villekulla, her own parentless home, is therefore not a problem for her. When she and her friends, Tommy and Annika, come home from a distant trip to tropical Kurrekurredutt Island, Annika beseeches her to sleep the first night with them, so that she does not feel alone. However, Pippi does not shun aloneness just because Villa Villekulla lay dark, empty and covered with snow. Instead, she displays her cat-like independence, one of the characteristics that have been granted the free spirits, and walks home to her freezing cold house all alone. “So long as the heart is warm and ticks properly, you don’t feel the cold,” as she argues.

>Anything with "socialism" in it's name close to Nietzsche.
Yeah, no.

>>7139711
>>7139712
OH OH Clever. Takk.

>>7139708
Feminister would field questions like this... lemme see if I can find them

>>7139721
why not?

>>7139723
Tack*

>>7139725
He was fervently against anything "socialist".
His entire philosophy is based on his hate and despise of socialism, marxism, and egalitarianism....

>>7139651
*Empire.
Britain was never a nation-state.

>>7139708
Was Haruhi nietzschean?

Yes

>>7139726
>>7139723
I'm ok with "Takk" fam

Hitler as a person the is the most obvious ramification of the philosophy of Nietzsche. That is only if Hitler himself knowingly abuses the populism of National Socialism.

National Socialism itself is actually pretty slavish.

This is the same with Napoleon. He as an Emperor was worthy of praise, but his code was a capitalist trash thing to bring into this world.

>>7139729
well he was against pretty much every political position. Is it safe to call him anything at all?

>>7139741
>well he was against pretty much every political position.
I guess you could call him apolitical.
On other hand conservatives like Fukuyama based their thought on his writings, so he was "appropriated" by them. But on other hand he was also used and "abused" by people like Foucault and Marcuse.
Basically, Nietzsche wrote in such a way, that anyone can use his writings to make their own point on them.

>>7139733
No. She is the onthology-in-itself.

>>7139741
He called himself "anti-political."

>>7139726
*Takk
I know it's not the Swede way.

>>7139740
>That is only if Hitler himself knowingly abuses the populism of National Socialism.
Nah, if anything you could call him "Machiavellian", as defined by the anti-Machiavellians.
But all of his writings suggest, that Hitler was pretty honest about his politics and policies.

>>7139756
what was his proposed alternative?

>>7139759
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>tfw no demon to come in my darkest moment and tell me that I can watch the moomin cartoon as a young child again

>>7139594
>>7139629
Euronationalists do actually exist, lets not forget.

>>7139787
So do Jewish Nazis and Black Apartheid supporters.

It doesn't mean they're not literally retarded.

>>7139820
Jewish Nazis and Black Apartheid supports have in no practical terms any power though, so they are inconsequential.

Euro-nationalists however, have a lot of power and influence the EU all the time.

>>7139581
immediately back up that coy little whore-patter of yours with at least 3 pages worth of argument or risk grievous intestinal prolapse

nietzschean rhetoric on /lit/ sometimes just makes me want to cut my stomach open and attach a plastic tube rerouting the shit out of my colon through a hole in my throat and out of my mouth back into my ass through my butthole

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_von_Treitschke
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Fritsch
those were verifiably two of the biggest precursors to hitler's ideas and nietzsche hated them both, also verifiably.

>>7139768
He doesn't really "propose" anything, politically speaking. He condemns democracy, egalitarianism and the state ("Culture and the state — one should not deceive oneself about this — are antagonists: "Kultur-Staat" is merely a modern idea. One lives off the other, one thrives at the expense of the other. All great ages of culture are ages of political decline: what is great culturally has always been unpolitical, even anti-political. Goethe's heart opened at the phenomenon of Napoleon — it closed at the 'Wars of Liberation.' At the same moment when Germany comes up as a great power, France gains a new importance as a cultural power.") while praising hierarchy and egoist leaders like Cesare Borgia, but properly speaking he can't really be said to offer or support any political ideology.

I think the best demonstration of his "anti-political" position is in part one of Zarathustra:

"The earth still remains free for great souls. Many places -- the odour of tranquil seas blowing about them -- are still empty for solitaries and solitary couples.
A free life still remains for great souls. Truly, he who possesses little is so much the less possessed: praised be a moderate poverty!
Only there, where the state ceases, does the man who is not superfluous begin:does the song of the necessary man, the unique and irreplaceable melody, begin.
There where the state ceases -- look there, my brothers. Do you not see it: the rainbow and the bridges to the Superman?"

Taken alone, this could be interpreted as praise for anarchism, but that's hardly plausible considering what he says in his Genealogy of Morality: "A word in the ear of the psychologists, assuming they are inclined to study ressentiment close up for once: this plant thrives best amongst anarchists..."

It must be interpreted not as anarchism, but as a call for great men to get away from politics altogether, to avoid wasting time on it so they can focus on what truly matters: culture. ("It is already known everywhere: in what matters most — and that always remains culture — the Germans are no longer worthy of consideration.")

>>7139829
The EU is a flaccid mess of a polity.

It can barely constrain it's own member states, and can't even police it's own borders.

Being powerful in the EU is like being the biggest toddler in the playpen.

>>7139867
nice repost

>>7140090
thanks broe :^)

>>7139829
>Euro-nationalists however, have a lot of power and influence the EU all the time.
Just how a plate of prunes influences your bowel movements.

>>7140073
The same could be said about the US some 80 years ago.

HAHAHAHA oh wow
After an entire Chapter in Thus Spake Zarathustra about how governments will viciously try ti become God and the State should be distrusted before all else.
Get the hell out, Elizabeth Forster Nietzsche

>>7140277
>entire Chapter
Stop trying to trick people who aren't well-versed in Nietzsche. A chapter in TSZ is a page.

>>7140636
when reading nietzsche 1000 years are 1 day dough