/lit/ - Literature

>>7097507
let betas be betas

>>7097507
I think you pretty much take the cake.

Dumbest thing i personally saw was some guy wrote a story about bob dylan writing a song from his own point of view, and at the end it was revealed that bob dylan is really black.

>>7097519

Was the guy's name Damir?

>>7097519
>Dumbest thing i personally saw was some guy wrote a story about bob dylan writing a song from his own point of view, and at the end it was revealed that bob dylan is really black.
Wasn't that a Don DeLillo novel?

>>7097558
I don't remember his name. He was a white guy, though.

>>7097507
requires you to draw on reserves of empathy
pulls you out of your comfort zone
is formally fairly challenging

seems like a well crafted creative writing exercise

>>7097563
I dunno. Was it?

>>7097569
'yes'

>>7097582
Oh, well not only was it boring and stupid, but it was was plagiarism too. Go figure.

>>7097566

Yes, nazi germany math problems about jews practicising usury did all those 3 too.
Still shit propaganda.

>>7097519
lel, DeLillo

>>7097566
sup tumblr

>>7097598
That's pretty common with DeLillo novels

OH SHIT, have I! got a story for YOU!

>be le me
>there's women

>>7097507

>Americans have creative writing class

Is it because there's a chance some Asians are in the classroom and you need to go Singaporean on them to get some creative juices?

>>7097507
OMG John?

>>7097507
>I looked down at the Grand Canyon. "Woah," I thought.

I mean... seriously?

Same guy
>I hate guys who don't wear socks with shoes.

Some real cutting edge shit went on in my CW classes...

>>7097507
I've got this, guys.

>First week of class
>Guy reads a story he wrote that's basically an American Psycho rip off
>extreme misogyny, rape, racism, but where he fucked up was introducing S&M play into the rape
>Emaciated Vegan Pansexual Maoist Jew-boy from New Jersey in the class happens to be really into S&M and strongly resents associating it with rape
>/pol/'s wet dream of a Jewish stereotype comes in the next week with his own work that's just a scene where a loving couple does bondage stuff
>Bateman Jr. comes back doing essentially the same as his first story but with the rape/misogyny turned up to 11
>at this point the entire class is talking about how both guys are making them uncomfortable and wasting our time on their masturbation material
>Jersey-boy responds with a story about a guy who "comes out" as an S&M enthusiast and meets a bunch of cool smart and hot people who are into his kink
>BEE-himself just keeps on trucking
>Schlomo becomes more and more direct with each passing week
>The S&M enthusiast's last reading was a story that's entirely the set-up for a line about how "every creative writing class has one guy who will make any excuse to write about his rape fantasies."

I didn't know how to act each time they read. All I could do was try to take notes and keep a straight face while playing footsie with the girl in the class I was fucking at the grossest parts.

> creative non-fiction
>supposed to be bring in a sample of what we consider 'excellent writing' by an author we admire
>guy just links class to cracked.com

>>7098996
> I was fucking
Most unbelievable part of your post tbh

>>7099024
The real measure of your worth as a writer is how many girls in a writing workshop you can fuck.

Just ask DFW.

>>7098996
>>7099024
Seriously. You ruined it with your lame wish fulfillment.

>>7099024
>>7099035
This is the most frustrating thing about 4chan. Mention one positive thing that happened to you in life and suddenly your story is beyond comprehension.

I didn't realize /r9k/ had spread so far.

>>7099024
>>7099035

You guys have never hooked up with a qt class mate? I pity the fool.

>>7099059
You ruined your already dumb post with that stupid humblebrag. Take it out in the revision. Revising is something you'll do a lot as you pursue creative writing.

>>7097507
>well, from this paragraph we can tell the setting is in a village with very traditional values
>beat
>I shouldn't say traditional since that word is problematic, but you get my general message, I think.

it was the professor

>>7099076
It was meant to be humorous so you could imagine a girl's reaction to some guy getting physical with her while this vivid deviant sexual imagery is being read, but I guess that implication would escape the notice of a bitter incel like yourself.

>>7099085
Learning to accept critique is another thing you should do while pursuing creative writing. I hope you don't get this defensive and passive-aggressive in workshops.

>>7099067
I once got really drunk and emailed this one girl in my class, and i guess i really creeped her out and she said to never talk to her again.

That counts, right?

>>7099091
I've received plenty of good advice as well as plenty of retarded suggestions. You can't please everybody, and I suspect you're not worth pleasing.

>>7099102
An amateur would say that your post was complete without the parting shot, which did not harm me, but made you look even more insecure and defensive than the humblebrag and the earlier passive aggression. However, my suggestion is that you stop posting altogether and instead seek therapy. Knowing when to cut the fat is a very important part of creative writing. In your case, every post you've made so far would be the fat, and so would your wrists.

>>7098996
This is like the third time I've heard you tell this story

>>7099114
>>7099102
>>7099091
>>7099085

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s6aNjJRbrA

>>7099114
>I'm not mad
>but I wish you would kill yourself

>>7099121
>[your opinion]
TOP LEL :^)

>>7097507
>>I wrote an apology letter to women from all men.
I feel like SJWs are people who in an older era would be flagellants.

>>7099125
any opportunity to practice creative writing is a good one even retarded lit threads like this

>this entire thread

>>7099143
>weebs in charge of grammar

>>7099147
>shitposters in charge of grammar
>/lit/posters in charge of anything
>anyone in charge of anything
>being statist scum

>Each week 3 people have to give a presentation on their fav book
>People pick 1984 or Great Gatsby
>One bro who picked Gatsby 'I love reading it and imagining myself at one of Gatsby's parties, you'll never know who you might meet: Perhaps a general from overseas, a wealthy businessman. The glitter and opulence will be gorgeous etc. etc.'

>ok class next weeks assignment is to write someone from the opposite gender and who is also older than you
>swathe of working class characters who are constantly swearing

>>7099186
>a man said this
>a bro, a male conformist to the dominant culture is so enamoured with petty social casts and glitzy shit that he based his reading of a novel on self-insertion into the upper classes
Jesus, what have we come to?

>>7099212

guys wanna be sports and movie stars, what's new

Only took one fiction class in college (a big mistake nonetheless) but for me the worst part were my classmates' suggestions.

>"what if you changed the story from third person to first?"
>"you should put the ending at the beginning"
>"i really want to see more of the sister character who's only referred to in passing. what was she doing during the events of the story?"
>"this is great! have you read bukowski?"
>"you should really describe the characters' appearances at some point because i had trouble imagining them"
>"cut half the story and begin it in the middle of this scene"

>>7099455
There's nothing inherently wrong with these suggestions. Editors and agents will actually suggest that authors write things from different perspectives and make other such major changes.

Get over yourself.

>>7099455
>>7099467
LMAO ROASTEDDDDD

>>7098996
>tfw I'll never have a bro willing to take a creative writing class just to fuck with the captive audience by staging a feud over BDSM erotica over the course of several months
why live?

>>7099467
hmm no
>>7099455
>"cut half the story and begin it in the middle of this scene"

only decent advice

>>7099467
>get over yourself
>get over
>yourself
>get
>over
>yourself
>g
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>v
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>inherently
>There's nothing inherently wrong with these suggestions
>suggestions
>i know the suggestions and not the story and i have my opinion
>i did not read the story
>i did not sit in his critique group and go through the beginnings of every half creative rich kid
>i told him to get over himself
>look at me
>now look at me

>>7099671
Well, since you didn't furnish us with the story, it's reasonable to assume you think those are retarded suggestions to make to a writer. I submit that there is nothing INHERENTLY wrong with them so I see no reason to ridicule your classmates based on what was presented.

Get over yourself.

>>7099212
>what have we come to
what we have always been

>>7099850
What will we always be.

>>7099864
Amen

>>7099186
>>7099212
haha we are SO much smarter than normies, right guys xD

>"I don't have anything bad to say about your piece, it's adequately competent"

The whole class had a good laugh at that one, the guy who said that was totally me ;_;

>>7098996
haha you're in college and doing the sex, ma man

I have a 10 page story due the 28th and I'm thinking about doing it on a NEET and his day to day life. It would end with im killing himself.
Thoughts?

>>7100195
be sure to put a trigger warning on it

>>7100195
>im
fruedian slip, eh?

>>7100240
No anon, I'm past that. I'm getting better.
>>7100231
No.

>one autistic kid reads his short story for the class
>his obvious self-insert turbovirgin katana-wielding faggot protag falls into a portal and ends up in video game world
>he meets Sonic and Mario and all the rest
>they have to battle Robotnik and Bowser and all the rest
>ebin fights, teleporting, choking, kamehamehas, and master swordsmanship all around
>at the end of the story it turns out it was all a dream and the protag was in another place while his father raped him in the asshole
>entire class was unsure if it was a joke or what
>kid sits down
>couple weeks later he never shows up again
>find out he'd committed suicide

I made all that up

>>7097507

I once had a teacher that encouraged purple prose.

we had to write short stories which worked as chapters in a sort of novel. neurotic hijab muslim girl tells the class "writing is my life", "i am so experienced at it" "i write every day since 10 years"... few days later, class hears the shittiest, longest, generic, repeating story literally ever. nobody wants to criticize her due to her "virtuoso passion" and her religion (i am german). man, i felt uncomfortable

>>7100195
Making the mundane beautiful is a good task to set yourself.
>>7100251
'sgood to hear.

>>7097507
>third week of freshman year
>guy reads the following poem, he called it: ''I'm sorry for being white''
>oh God, here we go...
>wait...
Take up the Black Man's burden, No tawdry rule of kings,
But toil of serf and sweeper, The tale of common things.
The ports ye shall not enter, The roads ye shall not tread,
Go mark them with your living, And mark them with your dead.

Take up the Black Man's burden And reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better, The hate of those ye guard—
The cry of hosts ye humour (Ah, slowly!) toward the light:—
"Why brought he us from bondage, Our loved Egyptian night?"

Take up the Black Man's burden, Ye dare not stoop to less—
Nor call too loud on Freedom To cloke your weariness;
By all ye cry or whisper, By all ye leave or do,
The silent, sullen peoples Shall weigh your gods and you.

Take up the Black Man's burden, Have done with childish days—
The lightly proferred laurel, The easy, ungrudged praise.
Comes now, to search your manhood, through all the thankless years
Cold, edged with dear-bought wisdom, The judgment of your peers!
>Class is too stupid to know of the poem
>mfw he got away with The White Man's Burden just because he changed White to Black
>mfw racists are racist
>mfw this never happened
>mfw I'm shit at telling stories

>>7100437
>>7100341
why the fuck you saying what you're writing is fiction?
who cares

>The Black Prism by Brent Weeks
>Mieli from Quantum Thief/ Le Flambeaur saga by Rajaniemi.
>Essi from Sword of Destiny in Witcher series by Sapkowski =(

Can someone recommend a decent space opera? I've read Revelation Space, Pandora's Star, etc. I really liked the unique alien life in Pandora's Star and would like to things that aren't humans with wrinkled foreheads that are green.

>>7100408
Yes. A good example is Pomegranates by Valery and Balbo

>>7098967
Sounds kind of okay? Kind of funny and alt lit?

>>7097558
M.. My name is Damir...

There was a woman in her late 30s in my Creative Writing class. She kept bringing in sections of a novel she'd already written about a young woman that goes to Asia to help out by teaching students.

As I read more of this I slowly realise it's basically autobiographical. This chick was teaching kids in Asia about 5 years ago. That's all fine except the main character of the story is described as beautiful and she ends up basically saving the country from poverty. But the woman herself looked like a giant turd that had hardened in the sun. It was embarrassing to see basically fan fic of her own life.

>>7100443
shut up dumb cunt. ill write what i want to

>>7100341
had a good kek

I didn't

Definitely the guy who wrote a poem about a man that slipped in the shower and hit the ground with such force that his head exploded

"The Shower of Silence"

>>7099085
Oh man no. Don't do this

>I visit /lit/

>>7101573
Well, yeah, 4chan's a sekrit klub, and all

>>7099186
>perhaps a general from overseas
>a wealthy businessman

Is this CC? Tell me, I have to know

>>7099186
>The glitter and opulence will be gorgeous etc. etc.'
he sounds genuinely homosexual tbh

>creative writing class
Thankfully I've never taken one. The handful of literature courses I took were enough to convince me to do a math major and never look back.

>>7100169
Sounds funny and somewhat witty. What's wrong with it?

>>7100739
>But the woman herself looked like a giant turd that had hardened in the sun.

10/10

I took a creative writing course when i was 19 because i was 19. The majority of the students had about the same grasp on literature, style, creativity, and just writing in general as i did. That's why we were all enrolled in this joke of a program.
We'd all get up there and read our shit we thought was the work of up and coming geniuses. Everyone was willing to listen even if they didn't know squat about what they were listening to or writing about themselves. There was this one dude though who stood out though.. Some pseudo intellectual wearing a tool sweatshirt who would always just scoff and start violently typing on his phone (what i can only assume was green text) whenever anyone (even some clearly underdeveloped chick) would start reading. His writing that he shared with the class was all spergy ramblings jam packed with an overly bloated vocabulary usually about "The NEET life" (a term he actually used while reading) and social anxiety caused by the stupidity of "normies".. He once got upset at me for not having correct posture when i was talking to a girl in the class

>mfw this entire thread

Fuck off nik

>>7099186
Does no one get the point of the book?
Does no one understand the parties are just a cover for any real substance in Gatsbys life?
Do they not understand the wealth and opulence only serve to distract from the shallow lives of the rich?

Why don't university teachers tell people this?

>>7101788
>Does no one get the point of the book?
Not one single person gets this book but a team of literati headed by Bloom are working around the clock to decipher the anagrams and find out exactly what the green light means

>>7101798
This. Gaddis and Pynchon tried to be as obfuscatory as Fitzgerald, but failed miserably.

>>7101828
Pynchon may be erudite but he's certainly not obfuscatory

>>7097519
I wrote a story about john fahey's fictional persona "blind joe death." it was about whether that persona should be used to inspire since it's fiction.