/lit/ - Literature

>>7080313
No because I have values beyond capital gain and I'm an atheist

where do you derive your values from? what are they? christian values seem dependent on being 'neighbourly', impressing others with your morals, etc which seems pretty fedora to me.

>>7080313
>tfw faith + capital intent = melancholic half joy

>>7080313
This thread proves that Christians are the true fedoras

>>7080313
>tfw all problems feel minuscule when compared to the totality of creation and the incomprehensibility of eternity
>tfw theological pursuits have made me realize worrying about material problems is just vanity
>tfw I've come to realize all I know is that I know nothing

>>7080322
>on being 'neighbourly', impressing others with your morals, etc which seems pretty fedora to me.
That's just calvinists/puritans.
There's actually a bible passage warning against holiness signaling.
I forget which one, but it's basically like "Look at all these faggots playing up their suffering publicly while fasting. Don't do that. Cover up all symptoms of suffering for the sake of humility."

>>7080327
This. They are euphoric because they are enlightened by God.

>>7080313
>Only religion could provide more fulfilling values than hoarding.
Nah, there are plenty of secular philosophies that people live well with.

>>7080333
Your theological pursuits are an exercise in sussing out the true nature of an invention. No wonder it made you a solipsist.

>>7080362
>true nature of an invention

Well, this thread is autistic.

>>7080369
>Grow up reading The Bible in several versions
>memorize in their entirety the Childrens', Shorter, Longer and Westminster Catechisms for good boy points
>Learn Latin by middle school so I can read the vulgate
>Read theology and apologetics starting in elementary school
>attend a Christian school where we study this stuff in class
>Regularly dialogue with the pastors of two Presbyterian churches about theology.
>teach sermons at school, sunday school and youth group
Then I make the extremely psychically and socially painful decision that it's all just an outdated coping mechanism, and I get called a fedora by some casual who decided he didn't like the look of Dawkins' face.

If only anyone else knew that my pastor has been having a continuous crisis of faith for two years over something I said the last time we went out for breakfast together.

>>7080413
What did you say?

also;
>latin
Casual.

>>7080413
Dawkins has a pretty nice smug face.

>>7080413
>protestant
there's the fucking problem. That's the reddit of christianity

>>7080413

>Grow up atheist
>have to memorize the theory of evolution, Marxism and feminist queer theory
>mastered logic by middle school so I could have a deeper understanding of Wittgenstein
>read semiotics and and hegel in elementary
>attend a private secular school where this is expected to be known by heart
>regularly email Harris and Dennet to learn more about my lack of free will
>my first act as school president is to let people go to lunch five minutes early

Woweee

>>7080413
Also interested in what you said, assuming any of this is true

>>7080423
Oh man, I'm trying to remember the exact wording that makes it so rough, but basically questioned the efficacy/existence of the Holy Spirit given the fractured nature of The Church and that he needed to either consider most other denominations not necessarily heretical but alienated from the Holy Spirit, since all believers are possessed by The Spirit and this allows them to identify each other (this point about identifying Christians with ease b/c of the spirit is also part of the case since he admitted he couldn't ID other believers without intensive questioning like the kind you get from the board of elders when you join the church).

My other case was that the extreme disagreements between scholars on Christian ethics/morality should call into question the usefulness of The Law and again call into question the salvation status of most of those involved in those disagreements, i.e. most Christians. He wasn't prepared to consider everyone disagreed with him on ethical positions to be unsaved, so he was stuck having to question his own salvation.

>>7080413
>Presbyterian churches

>>7080313
Your religious text is Game of Thrones?
plebmaster, why?

>>7080484
Honestly that's pretty lame, dude shouldn't value your opinions so much

>>7080484
Damn, that's actually good tbh

>>7080504
Self-improvement is more valuable than tradition and ritual, prove me wrong

>>7080530
If there's anything you'd like clarified, I'm happy to comply. It doesn't negate everything about Christianity, but it's a pretty serious crisis for most Christians to give up the idea of The Spirit's guidance.

That must be why you have yet to give away all your possessions to the poor, like the Bible says you should.

>>7080544
>the only value of literature is self-help
also traditions are rational. They evolved for survival reasons and are therefore as rational as the construction of the eyeball

>>7080549
I don't need anything clarified, but it strikes me as sectarian hairsplitting more than anything else. Are most Christians so big on the idea of their specific denomination being the One True Church?

>>7080566

So if they die out, you completely accept it as a form of thinking that didn't adapt correctly to its environment?

>>7080530
>They will know we are Christians by our love
>I don't know Christians by any means but interrogation
>perhaps there's no unique quality or spirit that unites Christians and we're still trying to figure out who's even a real Christian

>They will know we are Christians by our love.
>We can't agree on what love would look like.
>Huh, maybe that's not a useful concept at all.

>Paul orders people not to debate
>because it would expose dissent in the ranks of people who aren't supposed to be capable of dissenting with each other
>huh, that's sketchy

Those are sorta the basics of what he said.

>>7080313
Nope

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology

>>7080574
No, that's the point. They should be because they all profess to be guided by the Holy Spirit. When a church splits, at least one group believes that they are being guided by the Holy Spirit in going their own way, and only one can be right. It's a pretty big deal that this is so common and the Christians handwave it as "sectarian hairsplitting." The pastor's position had been that they were wrong about unimportant stuff, but if you believe the spirit guides this sort of thing then that's not consistent.

>>7080600

Fringe beliefs and their charlatans aren't really a good counter. For example David Koresh is the son of God and had legitimate followers.

>>7080600

Hey another fan of ranting british guy what's up?

>it's 2015

>>7080413

'quid tantum insano iuuat indulgere dolori,
o dulcis coniunx?

>>7080653
I'm not yo wife, nigga.

>>7080484
PROTESTANTS ON SUICIDE WATCH