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>>7068766
How many of them actually are knowledgable of the ideologies they align themselves with. Since starting uni I've met so many people who choose ideologies as a fashion statement. It's very discouraging. Talking to them about anything that isn't surface level they answer vaguely or tip-toe around. It's frustrating

>>7068766
The vast majority of my peers while I was at university were fairly middle of the road, verging on a-political for the most part. And I studied politics so it was frustrating as shit.

it is, ironically enough given the image you posted, a product of the hyper-individualism via signifiers that capitalism encourages. communists are not at all immune to the appeal of branding yourself as an green anarcho-Hoxhaist or whatever bullshit

if you can accurately articulate your political views in three words you probably don't have nuanced political views anyway

>>7068776
I know a few who claim to have read all the books about whatever ideology they align themselves with. I know an Anarcho-capitalist who seems pretty knowledgeable, but there are a ton of pseudo intellectual hipsters who think that having some fringe ideology will make them a special snowflake.

>>7068766
Because young people romanticize change. To be fair, calling ideologies that offer substantial change "fringe" is somewhat dishonest (maybe you didn't intend it that way, but you should reconsider how you think about these things) because a moderate position just means keeping the status quo.

>>7068794
I only meant that most of these ideologies are not popular.

>>7068766
I think it's just something that's common at this stage in life. I was pretty apolitical before going to college, but since then I've been thinking about politics more and more. Also, since we lack most adult responsibilities, it gives us the ability to be more idealistic and less practical in our thinking.

>>7068766

It's so you join the college club and make friends.

you think it's irrational to defend things you find convincing? what qualifies something as rational in your view?

>>7068827
From my point of view, it seems like they chose an ideology on a whim, and it seems like they only ever pay attention to arguments that support their ideology.

>>7068827
I think you should read from several ideological perspectives and also the various arguments for and against them before you pick(or where born into) one ideology.

>>7068832
>it seems like they only ever pay attention to arguments that support their ideology.
It takes a while to read about several ideologies indepth. In college you probably don't have the time to do that.

>>7068851
*were

>>7068766
Because people become politically aware in Uni and hell hath no fury like a zealot who has found "the truth".

I started off as a pretentious fedora tipping ancap and was a massive cunt, I found forum posts of mine the other week dating back too 2002 and jesus christ the cringe.

These days I'm a Socialist arguing for more "market socialist" (worker managed buisiness, coop housing, community farming etc etc) policies for pragmatic sake (raising class consciousness), but I always cringe when engaging with young Socialists and radical Socialist organizations who think blind random militancy = radical action (Socialist Alternative here in Australia, /r/socialism, /r/communism, Revleft etc etc)

>>7068790
>I know an Anarcho-capitalist who seems pretty knowledgeable, but there are a ton of pseudo intellectual hipsters who think that having some fringe ideology will make them a special snowflake.

That's cuz Anarcho-caps do not deny reality. A lot of leftist faggots try to actively disenfranchise reality to get their agendas passed.

this thread should be good.

>>7068766
Good lord, we really need to get out of this idea that economic liberalism is associated with the right. Most right wing proponents, particularly Scruton, are very critical of free markets and the often detrimental impact on national cohesion that such markets cause.
Perhaps it's an American (and British) peculiarity, much in the same way as agrarianism is entirely absent in both nations.

>>7068766
Really? I find most Uni students aggressively Liberal or Libertarian.

I rarely have a good reaction when critiquing liberal values and strategy from a far left viewpoint. It doesn't take long for your average Liberal to start using reactionary, right arguments when under fire.

>>7068766
>Liberal Democracy
Basic bitch, loves corporate America and chooses the position most likely to be accepted there.

>Radical right/reactionary/libertarian
Male who was or is involuntarily celibate past the point he meant to lose his V card. Low empathy, high value on logic as a problem solving tool. Sincerely desires a zombie apocalypse because he's sure he'd be better off than he is now.

>American Republican/Evangelical
Loves the status quo in small business or finance. Chooses the position most likely to fit in with that scene. Not too smart or empathetic.

>Communist
No faith in self to get anything right in the real world, but spends a lot of time with books or computers. Physically weak. Might get laid but with uglier women than he thinks he deserves. The revolution is his version of the zombie apocalypse where he's sure he'll be better off than he is now.

>mainstream campus activist
Figured out that a lot of rich young women are extremely empathetic and feel the need to rescue somebody. Pitches in to get in their pants. Ends up dating some sort of organizer who lets him go down on her once a week.

These are collegiate stereotypes so of course they include more about sex than seems like serious discussion.

>>7069139

>Bullshit about libertarians

nice shitpost sperglord

>>7069157
>all the stereotypes are unflattering
>libertarian still gets butthurt
I should've included something about you being easy to troll.

Eh? I don't know why this test seems to think I'm some kind of collectivist.

I just want someone to drop the bombs so I can live innawoods in a post-apocalyptic shithole where other people are either dead or are too busy contending with radiation sickness to be any bother to me.

Is there a party for that?

>>7069170
the test is rigged

>>7069139
thanks for listing all these stereotypes. why did you do it though?

>>7068766
I bet your some liberal, have you thought about that people are tired of the system?

>>7069139
>tfw my opinion won't be valid until I have sex

>>7069139
>The revolution is his version of the zombie apocalypse where he's sure he'll be better off than he is now.

tbh this is definitely the dream of every communist/socialist and anyone who denies it is lying.

>>7069182
>I bet your some liberal
Can you ask a question on the internet without some jackass posting this as an answer?

>>7069176
Mostly as a cover to post my opinion on communists, tbh.

>>7069184
>tfw none of the stereotypes are necessarily virgins
>tfw you're illiterate

>>7069186
That opinion is the real reason I posted all that nonsense. It's so transparent that all the communists I know dream of glory when the revolution comes.

>>7068766
sounds like you just need to find a new squad, fam.

>>7069199
everyone who disagrees with me is a liberal except when they're a nazi.

There is only one movement and ideology one should have in college. The Free Quebec movement.

VIVE QUEBECOIS!

>>7069100
>Socialist Alternative here in Australia

Oh, God, they got you too. When I was with them, it was like being in a bizarre fever dream. Seeing people just jump onto the whole "Lenin was totally cool" thing after joining was crazy. It was bizarre to be part of an organisation that you fully realise is completely crazy in the hope that you would meet at least someone else level headed.

Fellow mutualist market anti-capitalist here anyway, we really need to get our shit together. Are you in Melbourne? What shit have you been trying recently? I gave up on serious activism a while back.

>>7069271
fucking want to shoot quebecers in the head every election when they dredge it up. if anyone deserves a separatist movement, it's natives, you whiny white cunts.

>>7069304

...You thought I was serious.

They're all leftists, too.

It's the trendy new thing

>>7068766
Because it's really really fun.

Read Concept of the Political and you might have some idea.

>>7069311
No, or you'd have written it properly with the 'le'.

radical leftism has always been tied to the university and its intelligentsia.

>>7069367

>I actually don't know even bastardized, inferior French.

For all I know I've been a marxist since before I went to uni. I read Kapital when I was 16

>>7069381
Congratulations

>>7069157
Not him, but every lolbertarian i've ever met has been an elitist fedora tipping nerd who thinks hes unpopular because everyone is jealous of his intellect, not because he is a cunt or trust fund kiddie.

I say this as someone who was a disgusting ancap contrarian as a teen and young adult.

>>7069282
>Are you in Melbourne?

Canberra

>What shit have you been trying recently?

Just talking politics with people, I don't straight up advocate anti capital (it outs you as a socialist and makes them instantly turn off) but instead just talk about worker self management and cooperative coordination of coops through confederations.

>I gave up on serious activism a while back.

There is no serious activism in the far-left in Australia, everyone circlejerks over radicalism while sacrificing pragmatism.

While I believe in the Revolution, I think there is about 100 steps there and we are still on step 1, while the SAlt and other groups think we are at 98 or 99.

For me its most important to build class solidarity and consciousness atm, not agitate directly for revolution.

>>7068766
>these days
as opposed to?

>>7069107
>Anarcho-caps do not deny reality
lol

>>7069932
move to a new ideology
the revolution will not happen

Read the sticky.

>>7069932
>everyone circlejerks over radicalism while sacrificing pragmatism.
>For me its most important to build class solidarity and consciousness atm, not agitate directly for revolution.

Agreed, I suspect most people here who think other wise have some impatient need to feel important, want to dupe others into joining them or are simply duped themselves.

>>7068766
>I personally think it's totally irrational to just choose an ideology

>>7068766
>centrism
Isn't centrism just a reformist, utopian liberalism (rightism)?

>>7069382
cool story brah

In general, political comparse are retarded like this one.

>>7068766
Who /fascist/ here?

>>7070668
Me.

>tfw centrist master race

Y'all crazy

>>7068766
Searching for the truth is a lifelong journey, and if you're serious about it you will never arrive at a destination. People don't become ideologs by looking for real answers, it happens because they want their peace of mind. They want to feel like they understand how the world works and what their place in it is so they can get on with their lives.

>>7069932
There's something to be said about this fetishism of pragmatism among people who are ostensibly "left-wing" in the first world.

You live in Aus, which is probably the most bourgie society in the world, and you complain about people circlejerking over radicalism, while clearly practicing "more pragmatist than thou" type of bullshit.

I don't believe for a second in your commitment to anti-capitalism beyond social democracy - so why the dissatisfaction with the mainstream auzzie politics? Surely, the Labour and the Greens were created by "pragmatists" such as yourself for people like yourself.